Re: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
Diane I am getting quite a few of these too. AVG tells me they all have viruses. It is just another device of the nasty creatures that are trying either to get your email address for their lists, or trying to lure you into giving private (financial) information, or maybe take over your machine. I think your best bet is to ignore it, hit delete, and empty your virus vault or its equivalent every now and again. The only stuff I bother to block or blacklist now is the porn, since most of that seems to have an edge of sadism (er... I might need to rephrase that!). What I do notice is that almost no address is safe from spamming. Even where you may not release it the spammers seem to take a guess at combinations that are likely. One I get now and again has a cc list of names that may or may not be real all in the JH initial range. >From the various discussions I don't think there is much you can do. The originators can completely hide their address I understand. Spamcop may or may not help; the FBI in the US, Scotland Yard here and the international police might slowly bring these characters to book, but there are always others slipping in and out of the shadows. It's the downside of cheap, easy communication from one side of the globe to the other. HTH Joseph Harris > These returned emails are coming more and more frequently, and I'm getting > very concerned. What can I do about them? How can I tell if there's a > vulnerability on my machine? I have the headers in most cases, is there > someone I can complain to? Shouldn't I be able to determine the host where > they really originate from so I can file a complaint? > > Diane > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
These returned emails are coming more and more frequently, and I'm getting very concerned. What can I do about them? How can I tell if there's a vulnerability on my machine? I have the headers in most cases, is there someone I can complain to? Shouldn't I be able to determine the host where they really originate from so I can file a complaint? Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
At 17:58 08/02/2005, you wrote: 4% sounds small. It's not small. I'll take 4% of a trillion dollars (USD) any day of the week. Very true!! I recall way back in the early 1980s when the first PCs appeared and software for them was not plentiful, someone (who shall be nameless) telling me: "If you write a program for the PC and place a small advert for it in the pages of Byte Magazine, (circulation was huge both sides of the pond) even if is riddled with bugs, you'll have 100k responses within a couple of weeks. Charge $10 a time for your offering CWO and you then cut and run as a rich man before anyone realises it isn't that good a product!" Yes, a small percentage of a large base can be very profitable. (Sometimes wish I'd followed the advice - but at least I can live with my conscience!!) Peter MacGregor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
Well, no one has anything to retaliate to, though that may shortly change. Is there a way to check if my machine is being used as a zombie? Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steven Streight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:58 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: RE:[wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send It may be spammers retaliating...or your system could be a zombie that actually is sending out these emails, unbeknownst to you, as a background program installed by an intruder. Why do the spammers send email to billions rather than the 4% who respond? First, the 4% of billions represents immense, vast, easy, fast wealth for spammers. 4% response if this is the actual figure, and I think it is, is amazingly huge response, good for direct mail, telemarketing, etc. 4% sounds small. It's not small. I'll take 4% of a trillion dollars (USD) any day of the week. Spammers don't know who that 4% is going to be, like with all direct response marketing. So they *have* to send email to all billion addresses. Plus, it costs them the same to send to 10 people as it does to send to 10 billion people, as far as I can ascertain. Someone might know more about this, bandwidth considerations, whatever. I'm not a mass email marketer, though I am conducting an email survey right now as we speak, non-commercial, research only. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
I think it's probably higher than that. Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:06 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send I read somewhere that 60% of all e-mail sent is spam! Imagine the difference is cost (not to mention aggravation) if there was no spam e-mail!! Riva Dwayne Conyers wrote: >Interesting note: I read that of the billions of spam that flood the net, >only 4% reap results in the form of some person purchasing what was being sold. > >I wonder why not just mail those four-percenters rather than bombard those of >us who aren't that stupid and then use our domains as reply addresses to >retaliate against reporting them? > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
I read somewhere that 60% of all e-mail sent is spam! Imagine the difference is cost (not to mention aggravation) if there was no spam e-mail!! I believe it's over 80% now. I have learnt that the 'medical' name for Levitra is 'tadalafil'. I think that's a splendid name, like the 'ta-da' noise that Windows used to make when it booted, as if a successful boot was a big deal. Into the bathroom, grab my braille-imprinted pack, get a tab down my neck and 'ta-da'. Regards, David -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 03/02/05 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
I read somewhere that 60% of all e-mail sent is spam! Imagine the difference is cost (not to mention aggravation) if there was no spam e-mail!! Riva Dwayne Conyers wrote: Interesting note: I read that of the billions of spam that flood the net, only 4% reap results in the form of some person purchasing what was being sold. I wonder why not just mail those four-percenters rather than bombard those of us who aren't that stupid and then use our domains as reply addresses to retaliate against reporting them? • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
It may be spammers retaliating...or your system could be a zombie that actually is sending out these emails, unbeknownst to you, as a background program installed by an intruder. Why do the spammers send email to billions rather than the 4% who respond? First, the 4% of billions represents immense, vast, easy, fast wealth for spammers. 4% response if this is the actual figure, and I think it is, is amazingly huge response, good for direct mail, telemarketing, etc. 4% sounds small. It's not small. I'll take 4% of a trillion dollars (USD) any day of the week. Spammers don't know who that 4% is going to be, like with all direct response marketing. So they *have* to send email to all billion addresses. Plus, it costs them the same to send to 10 people as it does to send to 10 billion people, as far as I can ascertain. Someone might know more about this, bandwidth considerations, whatever. I'm not a mass email marketer, though I am conducting an email survey right now as we speak, non-commercial, research only. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
re:[wdvltalk] issues with email coming back that I did not send
Unfortunately, this is a common problem -- spammers use the e-mail addy or domain of some person rather than a fictitious one. Typically, this happens when you report spam to their ISP or via SpamCop and they find out and do this in retaliation. Interesting note: I read that of the billions of spam that flood the net, only 4% reap results in the form of some person purchasing what was being sold. I wonder why not just mail those four-percenters rather than bombard those of us who aren't that stupid and then use our domains as reply addresses to retaliate against reporting them? Well... anyway... off my soap box. -- dwacon spampire slayer www.dwacon.com • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
