[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
Andrea, First post on web2py, but your circumstances are close enough to mine to jump in here. Background: Father was a COBOL developer, learned Tandy TRS basic in elementary school and pascal in high school, no code through grad school except some matlab fiddling. Taught myself enough Wordpress to set up sites for business and personal. Found a partner in crime to start developing saas for a specific niche of the professional audio market. He's a much more savvy coder than I, but stuff like OWASP turns my crank and together we are navigating this water. The present: We started off looking at Google app engine, and then they made it really expensive for what we want to do. Now we are picking a python framework and will start on vps and move to Heroku/ AES/dotcloud/etc when traffic justifies We don't want to be amazing coders, we see programming as a means to solve problems for other people in specific niches we know well, all while making money for our enterprise. That leans us strongly towards web2py with postgres. Helpful resources: Learn using Wordpress, it has beyond extensive documentation, and its how I became aware of sql injection, xss, css, html, vps administration, cdn's memcached, etc. It taught me the moving pieces of a dynamic website. Even its flaws are useful. It taught me to stay far away from php as a novice. It also lead me to see the need for structure like mvc. Also, I recommend: http://books.google.com/books/about/Using_Google_App_Engine.html?id=_... Which, while targeted at gae, is a good intro to all web basics, and it was written for MBAs, not cs students. I have found it useful cliffs notes. -Phil PS Marco, ill be first in line to buy your book, and/or be one of your beta readers. On Dec 2, 10:17 pm, Andrea Bravi wrote: > Hi everyone, > > first of all, thank you for the really nice job done with web2py: as soon > as I downloaded it, I really liked how easy it is to use the admin > interface and play with it! > > That being said, I would like to kindly ask you some advices regarding how > to learn using web2py. I have a background in Python and database > design/programming, however I don't know anything about web applications (I > am a biomedical engineer). I was trying to read the official web2py book, > however from Chapter 4 I realized that I could understand and reproduce the > examples, but I was definitely not capable to abstract and learn how to use > the entire API. It seems to me that the material is targeting an audience > that already knows how to create web applications, and that only needs to > learn a new "vocabulary". Now, is there some book/slides/course/anything > that you would suggest me to start with? I could buy a book like Python 3 > Web Development Beginner's Guide (assuming that's what I need) and start > from there, however I would like something that targets directly web2py. > > I hope the question is clear enough! Let me know if you need other details. > > Thank you for your help, > > Andrea
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
Look forward to this. On Dec 5, 3:12 pm, "ma...@rockiger.com" wrote: > Hi Andrea, > > I am working on a book about learning web development with web2py. The > conzept is a mixture of railsturial.org and Headfirst Html. > > I will post the first 3 chapters before christmas. > > Marco
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
Hi Andrea, I am working on a book about learning web development with web2py. The conzept is a mixture of railsturial.org and Headfirst Html. I will post the first 3 chapters before christmas. Marco
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
Thanks Cliff, I will take a look. I Mike
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
mikech, Have you looked here: http://web2py.com/examples/default/examples On Dec 5, 12:33 am, mikech wrote: > I've been thinking along these same lines. I would like to see a workbook > to go along with the web2py book in which the concepts in the book are > illustrated in a sample in the workbook. Perhaps it could be a progressive > sample that builds on one of the samples begun in the earlier chapters. > > Mike
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
I've been thinking along these same lines. I would like to see a workbook to go along with the web2py book in which the concepts in the book are illustrated in a sample in the workbook. Perhaps it could be a progressive sample that builds on one of the samples begun in the earlier chapters. Mike
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
I hope sometime this week. It is basically done. Massimo On Dec 3, 9:00 pm, Andrea Bravi wrote: > First of all, thank all of you for your valuable (and quick!) answers. > > @Massimo DP: Just for curiosity, any expected date for the release of > the new editions? > > @Anthony: great suggestions! I spent all the day > withhttp://www.w3schools.com/,http://www.webmonkey.com/tutorials/, and that > was exactly what I > needed! Obviously it is still a long way to go, but that material is > great! > > @chawk: yes, you centered the point! thank you for the detailed > answer. I started with the material suggested by Antony and will now > explore the books you suggested. Hopefully I'll get there, and I wish > you the best for your application! :) > > Thanks everyone again!
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
First of all, thank all of you for your valuable (and quick!) answers. @Massimo DP: Just for curiosity, any expected date for the release of the new editions? @Anthony: great suggestions! I spent all the day with http://www.w3schools.com/, http://www.webmonkey.com/tutorials/, and that was exactly what I needed! Obviously it is still a long way to go, but that material is great! @chawk: yes, you centered the point! thank you for the detailed answer. I started with the material suggested by Antony and will now explore the books you suggested. Hopefully I'll get there, and I wish you the best for your application! :) Thanks everyone again!
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
I started web building 2 years ago, i have a full time job in Automobile Insurance, and limited time at home to learn. Your question seems to indicate that you don't have any knowledge of HTML, CSS or Javascript/jQuery? forgive me if I am wrong, but if that is the case you definitely need to start there, especially CSS. It did not take me very long to get very good at creating great looking static webpages with dynamic javascript/jQuery. However I have struggled a lot with the database and server side of things. With the recent help of Anthony explaining how to properly create forms and query the information I am looking for, I am flying along with the creation my music website. The best web books that have helped me in my 2 year process are: Web2py book (just started web2py 5 months ago) CSS 3.0 the missing manual jQuery in action 2nd edition (i would mention python books, but you already know Python which is huge) I also want to mention that having Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator are huge, when it comes to getting the website to look really nice. In fact it is nearly a must have when it comes to creating 100% professional sites, if not them something that does something similar to what they do. Although they are the best when it comes to Photoshop. By the way, long live Python & Web2py, i love the this framework more than any other. I have spent time with Django, Zend, CodeIgniter, Yii and Catalyst, Web2py is the best, period. I hope that i can build a game changing application that puts Web2py at the top of the list for web frameworks. alright.. back to work now. chawk
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
On Dec 4, 12:10 am, Javier Quarite wrote: > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Anthony wrote: > > I've read that there's going to be a book something like "web2py recipes" > >> but I'm not sure where I've seen it > >> As far as I remember it could be a PACKT release > > >http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-mas... > > > Though I don't think it's intended as a beginner's introduction to web > > development. > > Oh well, I thought it could contain basic to expert example (or sort... :) > ), I've seen a video on vimeo about web2py that shows how to use plugins > and the book shows how to build a blog, I wonder if its possible to collect > some apps and do some videos (like railscast.com) but it requires time and > I'm not sure if someone can manage to do that but it could help more > people to be interested in using web2py Here's a basic to expert examples: http://web2py.com/examples/default/examples > > PD: Thanks for the link, do you know when its going to be released?
Re: [web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
> > Oh well, I thought it could contain basic to expert example (or sort... :) > ) > I think there will be some stuff useful to beginners -- it's just not a general introduction to web programming. > > PD: Thanks for the link, do you know when its going to be released? > According to the page linked, December 2011, so I assume very soon. Anthony
Re: [web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Anthony wrote: > I've read that there's going to be a book something like "web2py recipes" >> but I'm not sure where I've seen it >> As far as I remember it could be a PACKT release >> > > > http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book > > Though I don't think it's intended as a beginner's introduction to web > development. > Oh well, I thought it could contain basic to expert example (or sort... :) ), I've seen a video on vimeo about web2py that shows how to use plugins and the book shows how to build a blog, I wonder if its possible to collect some apps and do some videos (like railscast.com) but it requires time and I'm not sure if someone can manage to do that but it could help more people to be interested in using web2py PD: Thanks for the link, do you know when its going to be released?
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
You might find these resources helpful: http://www.w3schools.com/, http://www.webmonkey.com/tutorials/. Chapter 4 of the book is in more of a reference style than most of the rest of the book, so you might find things starting to click a bit more as you proceed through the later chapters. Start simple, and you'll gradually figure out how to do things. Feel free to ask questions here on the list. Anthony On Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:17:44 AM UTC-5, Andrea Bravi wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > first of all, thank you for the really nice job done with web2py: as soon > as I downloaded it, I really liked how easy it is to use the admin > interface and play with it! > > That being said, I would like to kindly ask you some advices regarding how > to learn using web2py. I have a background in Python and database > design/programming, however I don't know anything about web applications (I > am a biomedical engineer). I was trying to read the official web2py book, > however from Chapter 4 I realized that I could understand and reproduce the > examples, but I was definitely not capable to abstract and learn how to use > the entire API. It seems to me that the material is targeting an audience > that already knows how to create web applications, and that only needs to > learn a new "vocabulary". Now, is there some book/slides/course/anything > that you would suggest me to start with? I could buy a book like Python 3 > Web Development Beginner's Guide (assuming that's what I need) and start > from there, however I would like something that targets directly web2py. > > I hope the question is clear enough! Let me know if you need other details. > > Thank you for your help, > > > Andrea > > >
Re: [web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
> > I've read that there's going to be a book something like "web2py recipes" > but I'm not sure where I've seen it > As far as I remember it could be a PACKT release > http://www.packtpub.com/web2py-application-development-recipes-to-master-python-web-framework-cookbook/book Though I don't think it's intended as a beginner's introduction to web development.
Re: [web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
It seems to me that the material is targeting an audience > >> that already knows how to create web applications, and that only needs > to > >> learn a new "vocabulary". Now, is there some book/slides/course/anything > >> that you would suggest me to start with? I could buy a book like Python > 3 > >> Web Development Beginner's Guide (assuming that's what I need) and start > >> from there, however I would like something that targets directly web2py. > >> > >> I hope the question is clear enough! Let me know if you need other > >> details. > >> > >> Thank you for your help, > >> > >> Andrea > > > I've read that there's going to be a book something like "web2py recipes" but I'm not sure where I've seen it As far as I remember it could be a PACKT release
Re: [web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
Python 3 web development will be a far shot. web2py wont be going python 3 for long. On 12/3/11, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > You raise a good issue. We will start working on it as soon as the 4th > ed of the book is out. > > On Dec 3, 12:17 am, Andrea Bravi wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> first of all, thank you for the really nice job done with web2py: as soon >> as I downloaded it, I really liked how easy it is to use the admin >> interface and play with it! >> >> That being said, I would like to kindly ask you some advices regarding how >> to learn using web2py. I have a background in Python and database >> design/programming, however I don't know anything about web applications >> (I >> am a biomedical engineer). I was trying to read the official web2py book, >> however from Chapter 4 I realized that I could understand and reproduce >> the >> examples, but I was definitely not capable to abstract and learn how to >> use >> the entire API. It seems to me that the material is targeting an audience >> that already knows how to create web applications, and that only needs to >> learn a new "vocabulary". Now, is there some book/slides/course/anything >> that you would suggest me to start with? I could buy a book like Python 3 >> Web Development Beginner's Guide (assuming that's what I need) and start >> from there, however I would like something that targets directly web2py. >> >> I hope the question is clear enough! Let me know if you need other >> details. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Andrea >
[web2py] Re: web2py for dummies
You raise a good issue. We will start working on it as soon as the 4th ed of the book is out. On Dec 3, 12:17 am, Andrea Bravi wrote: > Hi everyone, > > first of all, thank you for the really nice job done with web2py: as soon > as I downloaded it, I really liked how easy it is to use the admin > interface and play with it! > > That being said, I would like to kindly ask you some advices regarding how > to learn using web2py. I have a background in Python and database > design/programming, however I don't know anything about web applications (I > am a biomedical engineer). I was trying to read the official web2py book, > however from Chapter 4 I realized that I could understand and reproduce the > examples, but I was definitely not capable to abstract and learn how to use > the entire API. It seems to me that the material is targeting an audience > that already knows how to create web applications, and that only needs to > learn a new "vocabulary". Now, is there some book/slides/course/anything > that you would suggest me to start with? I could buy a book like Python 3 > Web Development Beginner's Guide (assuming that's what I need) and start > from there, however I would like something that targets directly web2py. > > I hope the question is clear enough! Let me know if you need other details. > > Thank you for your help, > > Andrea
