[OT] No more XServe
No XServe, No Cry. On Nov 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS X Server edition. That is probably next week's announcement. Sorry. I have to dust this joke off and use it. Steve Jobs will be comfortable talking about the enterprise when Pixar is making an animated version of a Star Trek movie. Xserves going away is so not a s surprise. When Apple made a server- based product that made them a really big pile of money, management basically said "WTF?" I think they gave some of the guys big bonuses. They literally had no idea of what to do as an investment with it. - ray On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: Inevitable due to 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in the cloud) 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to fully support it." Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/roberthana% 40scologistics.com This email sent to roberth...@scologistics.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Huh? On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > They literally had no idea of what to do as an investment with it. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS >> X Server edition. > > That is probably next week's announcement. Sorry. I have to dust this joke off and use it. Steve Jobs will be comfortable talking about the enterprise when Pixar is making an animated version of a Star Trek movie. Xserves going away is so not a s surprise. When Apple made a server-based product that made them a really big pile of money, management basically said "WTF?" I think they gave some of the guys big bonuses. They literally had no idea of what to do as an investment with it. - ray > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >> >>> Inevitable due to >>> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >>> the cloud) >>> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >>> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >>> >>> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to fully support it." Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
WebServer4D with (obviously 4D for my first Web application. Ahh, the beauty of MVC all in the V. Dave On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:06 AM, Philippe Rabier wrote: > Oh yes. I used it with 4D when I was a 4D developer at this time. > > And I used also Pink SQL and Oracle 6 running on Mac OS 7... > > Philippe > > On 9 nov. 2010, at 01:23, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> Ah Lasso... The only way to get some performance out of FMP 4.1... Doing >> FileMaker 4.1 was one of my worst ideas. >> >> I did like QuidProQuo, was better than MacHTTPd and almost as good as >> WebStar, but much cheaper. >> >> Anyone remember Butler SQL? >> >> Le 2010-11-08 à 19:14, James Cicenia a écrit : >> >>> I remember quite fondly... >>> >>> I put up a WebStar plus I think Lasso with a flat file to do my first web >>> promotion for a radio station and magazine. I thought for sure it would >>> crash. >>> No chance, the little SE30 handled it with aplomb. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: >>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Antonio Petri wrote: > I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on > different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. I do believe Apple was using WebSTAR a long, long time ago on OS 9 for some less traveled web sites. Any StarNine people still around? kib "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Gandhi Klaus Berkling Web Application Dev. & Systems Administrator DynEd International, Inc. www.dyned.com | www.eskimo.com/~kiberkli ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >>> >>> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/prabier%40me.com >> >> This email sent to prab...@me.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com > > This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Oh yes. I used it with 4D when I was a 4D developer at this time. And I used also Pink SQL and Oracle 6 running on Mac OS 7... Philippe On 9 nov. 2010, at 01:23, Pascal Robert wrote: > Ah Lasso... The only way to get some performance out of FMP 4.1... Doing > FileMaker 4.1 was one of my worst ideas. > > I did like QuidProQuo, was better than MacHTTPd and almost as good as > WebStar, but much cheaper. > > Anyone remember Butler SQL? > > Le 2010-11-08 à 19:14, James Cicenia a écrit : > >> I remember quite fondly... >> >> I put up a WebStar plus I think Lasso with a flat file to do my first web >> promotion for a radio station and magazine. I thought for sure it would >> crash. >> No chance, the little SE30 handled it with aplomb. >> >> James >> >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Antonio Petri wrote: >>> I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. >>> >>> I do believe Apple was using WebSTAR a long, long time ago on OS 9 for some >>> less traveled web sites. >>> >>> Any StarNine people still around? >>> >>> kib >>> >>> "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." >>> Mahatma Gandhi >>> >>> Klaus Berkling >>> Web Application Dev. & Systems Administrator >>> DynEd International, Inc. >>> www.dyned.com | www.eskimo.com/~kiberkli >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com >>> >>> This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >> >> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/prabier%40me.com > > This email sent to prab...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Ah Lasso... The only way to get some performance out of FMP 4.1... Doing FileMaker 4.1 was one of my worst ideas. I did like QuidProQuo, was better than MacHTTPd and almost as good as WebStar, but much cheaper. Anyone remember Butler SQL? Le 2010-11-08 à 19:14, James Cicenia a écrit : I remember quite fondly... I put up a WebStar plus I think Lasso with a flat file to do my first web promotion for a radio station and magazine. I thought for sure it would crash. No chance, the little SE30 handled it with aplomb. James On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: On Nov 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Antonio Petri wrote: I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. I do believe Apple was using WebSTAR a long, long time ago on OS 9 for some less traveled web sites. Any StarNine people still around? kib *"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever."* Mahatma Gandhi Klaus Berkling Web Application Dev. & Systems Administrator DynEd International, Inc. www.dyned.com | www.eskimo.com/~kiberkli ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I remember quite fondly... I put up a WebStar plus I think Lasso with a flat file to do my first web promotion for a radio station and magazine. I thought for sure it would crash. No chance, the little SE30 handled it with aplomb. James On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Antonio Petri wrote: > >> I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on >> different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. > > I do believe Apple was using WebSTAR a long, long time ago on OS 9 for some > less traveled web sites. > > Any StarNine people still around? > > kib > > "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." > Mahatma Gandhi > > Klaus Berkling > Web Application Dev. & Systems Administrator > DynEd International, Inc. > www.dyned.com | www.eskimo.com/~kiberkli > > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com > > This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Antonio Petri wrote: > I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on > different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. I do believe Apple was using WebSTAR a long, long time ago on OS 9 for some less traveled web sites. Any StarNine people still around? kib "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Gandhi Klaus Berkling Web Application Dev. & Systems Administrator DynEd International, Inc. www.dyned.com | www.eskimo.com/~kiberkli smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
The Xserve form factor is dead. For the software that no virtualization is offered and for the hardware where blades are often the choice. Indeed the Xserve was a nice machine, but there are now much more better alternitaves. Even SL server does not have the quality anymore that Apple stands for :-( Oliver Jeremy Matthews schrieb: Apple has repeatedly stated that they are not an enterprise company...not really surprised here. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/os%40webinspace.de This email sent to o...@webinspace.de <> ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Apple has repeatedly stated that they are not an enterprise company...not really surprised here. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Ok, I am not able to figure that one out. Pls translate! > > WebObjects direct to data center? Yes. > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> And release WOD2DC? >> >> >> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >> >>> I was thinking the same thing. Maybe apple will sell Virtual os x server >>> instances running in north Carolina data center cloud?! >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: >>> It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. I wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features - like fibre connectivity, etc.? On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more uses than we know. When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac Mini basically is a replacement part. Tim Worman UCLA GSE&IS On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of > course, I would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U > server line yesterday so... > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license >> change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or >> some other cloud. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less >> purpose for OS X Server edition. > > That is probably next week's announcement. The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. >>> >>> I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The >>> real question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it >>> and is it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no >>> idea. >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >>> >>> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their >>> overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific >>> problems. >>> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp >> http://www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > > This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.a
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Ok, I am not able to figure that one out. Pls translate! WebObjects direct to data center? On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > And release WOD2DC? > > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > >> I was thinking the same thing. Maybe apple will sell Virtual os x server >> instances running in north Carolina data center cloud?! >> >> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: >> >>> It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. >>> I wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features >>> - like fibre connectivity, etc.? >>> >>> On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more >>> uses than we know. >>> >>> When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac >>> Mini basically is a replacement part. >>> >>> Tim Worman >>> UCLA GSE&IS >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line yesterday so... >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license > change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or > some other cloud. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? > > It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose > for OS X Server edition. That is probably next week's announcement. >>> >>> The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If >>> OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. >>> I also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. >> >> I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real >> question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is >> it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. >> >> >> Chuck >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Johnny Miller > Kahalawai Media Corp > http://www.kahalawai.com > > > -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
And release WOD2DC? On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > I was thinking the same thing. Maybe apple will sell Virtual os x server > instances running in north Carolina data center cloud?! > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: > >> It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. I >> wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features - >> like fibre connectivity, etc.? >> >> On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more >> uses than we know. >> >> When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac >> Mini basically is a replacement part. >> >> Tim Worman >> UCLA GSE&IS >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, >>> I would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server >>> line yesterday so... >>> >> >> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some other cloud. On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS X Server edition. >>> >>> That is probably next week's announcement. >> >> The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS >> X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I >> also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. > > I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real > question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is > it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. > > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >>> >>> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >>> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >>> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com >>> >>> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe apple will sell Virtual os x server instances running in north Carolina data center cloud?! On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: > It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. I > wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features - > like fibre connectivity, etc.? > > On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more > uses than we know. > > When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac > Mini basically is a replacement part. > > Tim Worman > UCLA GSE&IS > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I >> would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line >> yesterday so... >> > > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license >>> change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some >>> other cloud. >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >>> >>> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose >>> for OS X Server edition. >> >> That is probably next week's announcement. > > The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS > X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I > also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> Johnny Miller >>> Kahalawai Media Corp >>> http://www.kahalawai.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com >> >> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com > > This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I wonder if Apple ever ran anything of their web infrastructure on Apple hardware. At certain point in the past, they didn't even have a server OS, never mind an Xserve; I can't believe they used Mac OS Classic. It might well always been on different hardware and software, maybe Sun kits with Solaris. On 6 November 2010 20:44, Karl wrote: > I do not believe that its full of HP, DELL, IBM (Levono) or other vendors > gear. > > The BServe perhaps? > > Karl > > On 2010-11-06, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: > > > It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these > changes. I wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U > features - like fibre connectivity, etc.? > > > > On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have > more uses than we know. > > > > When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac > Mini basically is a replacement part. > > > > Tim Worman > > UCLA GSE&IS > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > > >> I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of > course, I would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U > server line yesterday so... > >> > > > > > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> > >>> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a > license change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon > or some other cloud. > >>> > >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >>> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> > >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? > >>> > >>> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less > purpose for OS X Server edition. > >> > >> That is probably next week's announcement. > > > > The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If > OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I > also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. > > I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The > real question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is > it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. > > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their > overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific > problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > >>> > >>> Johnny Miller > >>> Kahalawai Media Corp > >>> http://www.kahalawai.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > >> > >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >> > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > >> > >> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com > > > > ___ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > > > This email sent to kgret...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/antonio.petri%40googlemail.com > > This email sent to antonio.pe...@googlemail.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I do not believe that its full of HP, DELL, IBM (Levono) or other vendors gear. The BServe perhaps? Karl On 2010-11-06, at 4:39 PM, Tim Worman wrote: > It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. I > wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features - > like fibre connectivity, etc.? > > On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more > uses than we know. > > When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac > Mini basically is a replacement part. > > Tim Worman > UCLA GSE&IS > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I >> would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line >> yesterday so... >> > > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license >>> change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some >>> other cloud. >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >>> >>> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose >>> for OS X Server edition. >> >> That is probably next week's announcement. > > The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS > X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I > also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> Johnny Miller >>> Kahalawai Media Corp >>> http://www.kahalawai.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com >> >> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
It's hard not to feel like more is yet unsaid about some of these changes. I wonder if Light Peak is going to play a role in filling lost 1U features - like fibre connectivity, etc.? On OS X Server in clouds/vm's - that ginormous data center might have more uses than we know. When I think of the cost of part replacement kits for the XServe, the Mac Mini basically is a replacement part. Tim Worman UCLA GSE&IS On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I > would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line > yesterday so... > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license >> change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some >> other cloud. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose >> for OS X Server edition. > > That is probably next week's announcement. The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. >>> >>> I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real >>> question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it >>> part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >>> >>> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >>> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >>> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp >> http://www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > > This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
There are two Server Options left now : Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server : 999 USD Mac Pro Server : 2999 USD We use about 10 Mac mini Server now for about 4 years and the work great. On 2010/11/05, at 23:46, Chuck Hill wrote: > I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I > would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line > yesterday so... > > > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license >> change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some >> other cloud. >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose >> for OS X Server edition. > > That is probably next week's announcement. The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. >>> >>> I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real >>> question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it >>> part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >>> >>> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >>> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >>> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp >> http://www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ken%40ksroom.com > > This email sent to k...@ksroom.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I suppose it is possible, but I would regard that as unlikely. Of course, I would have said the same thing about them killing off their 1U server line yesterday so... On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license > change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some > other cloud. > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? > > It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for > OS X Server edition. That is probably next week's announcement. >>> >>> The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X >>> server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also >>> really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. >> >> I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real >> question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it >> part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. >> >> >> Chuck >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Johnny Miller > Kahalawai Media Corp > http://www.kahalawai.com > > > -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Do you think there is any likelihood that Apple might announce a license change to OS X? i.e. you can install OS X Server as a VM on Amazon or some other cloud. On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS X Server edition. >>> >>> That is probably next week's announcement. >> >> The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X >> server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also >> really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. > > I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real > question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it > part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. > > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I would do it if there were a compelling feature or function I can use to improve my operation. Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:39 PM, André Mitra wrote: > Yes, but will anyone with a Mac Mini upgrade to Server Lion for $499? > > On 2010-11-05, at 4:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> And indeed, it sells well. I went to buy a Mac Mini Server a month ago >> at a local reseller and they said they sell at least 10 of them, and >> that's just a small reseller in south shore Montreal. I'm pretty sure >> Apple sells at least 1000 Mac Mini Server per month. > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net > > This email sent to j...@paperfree.net > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: >> >>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >>> >>> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for >>> OS X Server edition. >> >> That is probably next week's announcement. > > The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X > server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also > really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. I agree, it is a nice server platform from a TCO perspective. The real question is, "does it make enough money for Apple to continue it and is it part of Apple's strategy for the future?" Of that, I have no idea. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Wow. Talk about fud. On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Karl wrote: > I think that OS X server, as a product, is going away. > > Its probably just going to be an optional package to iOS ‘Lion’ sold for $79. > > Karl > > On 2010-11-05, at 4:39 PM, André Mitra wrote: > >> Yes, but will anyone with a Mac Mini upgrade to Server Lion for $499? >> >> On 2010-11-05, at 4:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> And indeed, it sells well. I went to buy a Mac Mini Server a month ago >>> at a local reseller and they said they sell at least 10 of them, and >>> that's just a small reseller in south shore Montreal. I'm pretty sure >>> Apple sells at least 1000 Mac Mini Server per month. >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to kgret...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com > > This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I think that OS X server, as a product, is going away. Its probably just going to be an optional package to iOS ‘Lion’ sold for $79. Karl On 2010-11-05, at 4:39 PM, André Mitra wrote: > Yes, but will anyone with a Mac Mini upgrade to Server Lion for $499? > > On 2010-11-05, at 4:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> And indeed, it sells well. I went to buy a Mac Mini Server a month ago >> at a local reseller and they said they sell at least 10 of them, and >> that's just a small reseller in south shore Montreal. I'm pretty sure >> Apple sells at least 1000 Mac Mini Server per month. > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Yes, but will anyone with a Mac Mini upgrade to Server Lion for $499? On 2010-11-05, at 4:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > And indeed, it sells well. I went to buy a Mac Mini Server a month ago > at a local reseller and they said they sell at least 10 of them, and > that's just a small reseller in south shore Montreal. I'm pretty sure > Apple sells at least 1000 Mac Mini Server per month. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Le 2010-11-05 à 15:51, Tim Worman a écrit : > I have two diverging viewpoints. Being in higher education, we've got a lot > of Apple gear. We have a server room with a rack full of XServes. I've seen > real technology needs languish in OS X Server - to the point where we've > already considered other options. > > On the other hand, Apple has made it pretty clear in their docs that they > like the success they've realized with Mac Minis running OS X Server. That > combo is selling. And indeed, it sells well. I went to buy a Mac Mini Server a month ago at a local reseller and they said they sell at least 10 of them, and that's just a small reseller in south shore Montreal. I'm pretty sure Apple sells at least 1000 Mac Mini Server per month. > So, they're unlikely to shut down shop on that. Mix that with, "we've only > got two engineers working on Server." I don't know if Server (or any Mac OS > at this point) is in it for the LONG haul. Things are changing. However, > Server is selling a product Apple is happy with. > > Tim Worman > UCLA GSE&IS > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS >> X Server edition. >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >> >>> Inevitable due to >>>1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >>> the cloud) >>>2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >>>3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >>> >>> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to fully support it." Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com >>> >>> This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp >> http://www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com >> >> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? >> >> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS >> X Server edition. > > That is probably next week's announcement. > The decision to deprecate Java seems to make more and more sense. If OS X server goes the way of the dodo I'll be one person who'll miss it. I also really liked the X-Serve and tools like ARD. > >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >> >>> Inevitable due to >>> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >>> the cloud) >>> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >>> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >>> >>> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to fully support it." Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com >>> >>> This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com >> >> Johnny Miller >> Kahalawai Media Corp >> http://www.kahalawai.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >> >> This email sent to ch...@global-village.net > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I have two diverging viewpoints. Being in higher education, we've got a lot of Apple gear. We have a server room with a rack full of XServes. I've seen real technology needs languish in OS X Server - to the point where we've already considered other options. On the other hand, Apple has made it pretty clear in their docs that they like the success they've realized with Mac Minis running OS X Server. That combo is selling. So, they're unlikely to shut down shop on that. Mix that with, "we've only got two engineers working on Server." I don't know if Server (or any Mac OS at this point) is in it for the LONG haul. Things are changing. However, Server is selling a product Apple is happy with. Tim Worman UCLA GSE&IS On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? > > It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS > X Server edition. > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > >> Inevitable due to >> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >> the cloud) >> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >> >> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >>> >>> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >>> fully support it." >>> >>> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >>> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >>> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >>> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >>> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com >> >> This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com > > Johnny Miller > Kahalawai Media Corp > http://www.kahalawai.com > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > > This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? > > It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS > X Server edition. That is probably next week's announcement. > On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > >> Inevitable due to >> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >> the cloud) >> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >> >> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >>> >>> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >>> fully support it." >>> >>> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >>> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >>> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >>> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >>> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com >> >> This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com > > Johnny Miller > Kahalawai Media Corp > http://www.kahalawai.com > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server? It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS X Server edition. On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Inevitable due to > 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in > the cloud) > 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years > 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis > > That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >> >> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >> fully support it." >> >> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com > > This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
David Aspinall works with me now, he just does not post much. Chuck, and doing his part to make WO a Pure David technology On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: > More David's please!! > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:09 AM, David LeBer wrote: > >> >> On 2010-11-05, at 8:02 AM, David Avendasora wrote: >> >>> You have to _develop_ on Apple-branded computers, NOT deploy. You can >>> deploy on _anything_. >>> >>> Dave >> >> As soon as David Holt chimes in we can consider this topic closed. >> >> ;-) >> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: >>> I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple Hardware? I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too bulky and the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID systems and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? Rob. On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: >>1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS >> in the cloud) > > plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in > the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux > light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than > an entire rack of linux blades > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com > > This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com >>> >>> This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com >> >> ;david >> >> -- >> David LeBer >> Codeferous Software >> 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' >> site:http://codeferous.com >> blog:http://davidleber.net >> profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber >> twitter: http://twitter.com/rebeld >> -- >> Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: >> http://tacow.org >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com >> >> This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
More David's please!! On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:09 AM, David LeBer wrote: > > On 2010-11-05, at 8:02 AM, David Avendasora wrote: > >> You have to _develop_ on Apple-branded computers, NOT deploy. You can deploy >> on _anything_. >> >> Dave > > As soon as David Holt chimes in we can consider this topic closed. > > ;-) > >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: >> >>> I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple >>> Hardware? >>> >>> I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too >>> bulky and >>> the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID >>> systems >>> and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. >>> >>> How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? >>> >>> Rob. >>> >>> On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: >>> > 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS > in the cloud) plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than an entire rack of linux blades ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com >>> >>> This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com >> >> This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com > > ;david > > -- > David LeBer > Codeferous Software > 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' > site: http://codeferous.com > blog: http://davidleber.net > profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber > twitter: http://twitter.com/rebeld > -- > Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: > http://tacow.org > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com > > This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Yes, hopefully they will release a shorter Pro that will fit sideways in a cage... On 2010-11-05, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: > The Mac pro is too bulky ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I suspect they do have a cloud strategy. Killing the XServe seems like a natural step for Apple if my suspicions are correct. http://www.macgasm.net/2010/10/25/apples-data-center-ready-kick-jams/ (^_^) On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Karl wrote: > Apple has no Cloud strategy. I think that sums it up pretty much. > > So the NC DC is ‘virtualized’ but nothing Mac is there. > > Karl > > On 2010-11-05, at 6:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > >> Inevitable due to >> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >> the cloud) >> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >> >> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >>> >>> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >>> fully support it." >>> >>> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >>> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >>> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >>> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >>> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to kgret...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40mac.com > > This email sent to rgur...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On 2010-11-05, at 8:02 AM, David Avendasora wrote: > You have to _develop_ on Apple-branded computers, NOT deploy. You can deploy > on _anything_. > > Dave As soon as David Holt chimes in we can consider this topic closed. ;-) > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: > >> I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple >> Hardware? >> >> I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too >> bulky and >> the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID >> systems >> and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. >> >> How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? >> >> Rob. >> >> On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: >> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in the cloud) >>> >>> plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in >>> the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux >>> light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than >>> an entire rack of linux blades >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com >>> >>> This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com >> >> This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com >> >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com > > This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
On 2010-11-05, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: > I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple > Hardware? NO. The license says you have to DEVELOP on Apple hardware. Deploy anyway you like. > > I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too > bulky and > the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID > systems > and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. > > How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? > > Rob. > > On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: > >>> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS >>> in the cloud) >> >> plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in >> the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux >> light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than >> an entire rack of linux blades >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com >> >> This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com > > This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
You have to _develop_ on Apple-branded computers, NOT deploy. You can deploy on _anything_. Dave On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:01 AM, r...@synapticstorm.com wrote: > I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple > Hardware? > > I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too > bulky and > the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID > systems > and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. > > How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? > > Rob. > > On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: > >>> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS >>> in the cloud) >> >> plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in >> the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux >> light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than >> an entire rack of linux blades >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com >> >> This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com > > This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com > > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
I thought the WebObjects license says you have to be running on Apple Hardware? I couldn't use a Mac pro or Mac mini in a data centre. The Mac pro is too bulky and the Mac Mini can't take PCI cards so you can't connect it to fibre RAID systems and neither system has redundant PSUs etc. How am I supposed to run WebObjects legally in the future? Rob. On 5 Nov 2010, at 10:45, Simon wrote: >>1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS >> in the cloud) > > plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in > the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux > light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than > an entire rack of linux blades > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rob%40synapticstorm.com > > This email sent to r...@synapticstorm.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in > the cloud) plus whilst the xserve is 1u form factor, it's completely useless in the data centre due to it being a power hog... before we saw the linux light we had at one point 5 xserves which were drawing more power than an entire rack of linux blades ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Le 2010-11-05 à 06:36, Karl a écrit : > Apple has no Cloud strategy. I think that sums it up pretty much. > > So the NC DC is ‘virtualized’ but nothing Mac is there. Unless they use Parallels Server... > Karl > > On 2010-11-05, at 6:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > >> Inevitable due to >> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in >> the cloud) >> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years >> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis >> >> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >>> >>> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >>> fully support it." >>> >>> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >>> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >>> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >>> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >>> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to kgret...@mac.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Apple has no Cloud strategy. I think that sums it up pretty much. So the NC DC is ‘virtualized’ but nothing Mac is there. Karl On 2010-11-05, at 6:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Inevitable due to > 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in > the cloud) > 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years > 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis > > That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >> >> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >> fully support it." >> >> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Le 2010-11-05 à 06:29, Karl a écrit : > That was inevitable since everything in the NC DC is non-Xserve. It's all Mac Pro or all Solaris? > On 2010-11-05, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html >> >> "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to >> fully support it." >> >> Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve >> • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 >> • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs >> • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow >> Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to kgret...@mac.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
Inevitable due to 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in the cloud) 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-) On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html > > "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to > fully support it." > > Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve > • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 > • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs > • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow > Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com > > This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] No more XServe
That was inevitable since everything in the NC DC is non-Xserve. On 2010-11-05, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html > > "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to > fully support it." > > Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve > • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 > • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs > • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow > Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com > > This email sent to kgret...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
[OT] No more XServe
http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue to fully support it." Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
