Re: Event update ; notice

[Gavin Eadie]

Great event !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594228879680/

Please feel free to make comments and identify who is who. 
Apologies for the occasional red-eye and badly corrected exposure ... 
Gavin

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:


Hi, Arturo,

It's a technical abbreviation that when expanded means:

  "WebObjects! Advertise It Mother Fuckers!"


WebObjects.  Advertise it.  Mother Fuckers.



... or something to that effect.


But but it was a joke...


I've heard that it can also be used as an incantation for magical  
economic benefits, but for it to be effective, you have to prefix  
it loudly with something like, "Chuck Hill says..." and only say it  
in the presence of Apple employees.


Gee, thanks Jerry.


If anyone becomes threatening as you do this, just start mumbling  
"Vexcode, Vexcode, ..." until they realize that you are harmless.


Ah well, I have been called harmless before.

:-)

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Jerry W. Walker]

Hi, Arturo,

It's a technical abbreviation that when expanded means:

  "WebObjects! Advertise It Mother Fuckers!"

... or something to that effect.

I've heard that it can also be used as an incantation for magical  
economic benefits, but for it to be effective, you have to prefix it  
loudly with something like, "Chuck Hill says..." and only say it in  
the presence of Apple employees.


If anyone becomes threatening as you do this, just start mumbling  
"Vexcode, Vexcode, ..." until they realize that you are harmless.


HTH.

Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 5, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Arturo Pérez wrote:

I'm very jealous and all but also dying of curiosity.  I missed it  
somehow so can someone explain the WO AIMF please?


Tia,
-arturo

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Arturo Pérez]

I'm very jealous and all but also dying of curiosity.  I missed it 
somehow so can someone explain the WO AIMF please?


Tia,
-arturo

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Alex Cone]

7:30!

On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote:



On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Alex Cone wrote:


abc

PS: WO bash (alpha release) Sat @ Tommy's http:// 
www.tommystequila.com/


... when on Sat?


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Re: Event update ; notice

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On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Alex Cone wrote:


abc

PS: WO bash (alpha release) Sat @ Tommy's http:// 
www.tommystequila.com/


... when on Sat?


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Re: Event update ; notice

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On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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From: Pascal Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Le 06-08-03, à 15:26, Chuck Hill a écrit :

On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:


Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a start.  I
think we should also put a list of people using WO, including their
achievements, type of industries (SMB, media, etc.), other services
they provide, etc.  This way, it would help each other to find
partners for projects, and to help potential customers for  
finding WO

people.


I have heard that from several of our clients, "It is hard to find WO
people" (or hard to find them locally).


Same thing here, and one of customers even called Apple Canada to find
WO people and they said that nobody is doing WO work in Quebec (which
is not true, we know at least two other places that use WO besides  
us).


Ditto for New York.  We get work from all over (which is nice)  
because folks

don't know that there are WO resources available to them.  And of course
Apple isn't steering potential WO projects our (or anyone's) way...

abc

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Re: Event update ; notice

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Yeah, but Chuck's writing from the left coast (the UPPER left coast  
at that) where beers and friendly smiles can smooth the bumps. Here  
on the right coast (NYC), it takes heavier grease to smooth bumps.  :-)


On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:46 PM, Alan Ward wrote:


That may be the way it works in New York

:-)

On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:


On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Joe Little wrote:

Please don't! We are limited to at most 100! (Fire marshall and  
all that) :)


We'll just invite him too and buy some beers for him.


I'll see about ordering another dish, as at 90 we are able to afford
one more $75 dish without going over $6/person.

On 8/4/06, Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We are up to 92 people at the gathering, by the way!  Gotta be 8  
more

souls out there that can make it an even 100 ...
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Re: Event update ; notice

[Alan Ward]

That may be the way it works in New York

:-)

On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:



On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Joe Little wrote:

Please don't! We are limited to at most 100! (Fire marshall and  
all that) :)


We'll just invite him too and buy some beers for him.




I'll see about ordering another dish, as at 90 we are able to afford
one more $75 dish without going over $6/person.

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We are up to 92 people at the gathering, by the way!  Gotta be 8  
more

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Re: Event update ; notice

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On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Joe Little wrote:

Please don't! We are limited to at most 100! (Fire marshall and all  
that) :)


We'll just invite him too and buy some beers for him.




I'll see about ordering another dish, as at 90 we are able to afford
one more $75 dish without going over $6/person.

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Re: Re: Event update ; notice

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Please don't! We are limited to at most 100! (Fire marshall and all that) :)

I'll see about ordering another dish, as at 90 we are able to afford
one more $75 dish without going over $6/person.

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Re: Event update ; notice

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At 5:51 PM -0400 8/1/06, Ken Anderson wrote:
Absolutely.  My flight supposedly arrives at 6:59 PM - maybe if 
yours is a little late and mine is early, we could share a cab?


Northwest claims they'll move me from Detroit to SFO to arrive at 
7:19pm Sunday.

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

LOL  With my picture in a target on the back?


On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Maybe I shouldn't make the shirt "CHUCK HILL SAYS:" at the top and  
"SO BLAME CHUCK HILL!" at the bottom, then :) ?


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

I'm kinda glad to hear that.  I am going to catch some serious  
blame over what was intended as a joke.


Chuck

On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

For some random stats -- of the about 40 shirts that have been  
sold since the new round of shirts went up, only TWO PEOPLE have  
been daring enough to buy WO AIMF shirts :)  So you are in a very  
exclusive club.  I should have but a "Member's Only" logo on it,  
too.


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Alex Cone wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for  
the monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking  
down the WO people I want to hook up with.  This time they will  
all be conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even  
copped a "WO AIMF" t-shirt.


I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if  
anyone wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for  
Saturday dinner?  http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL  
you can see they have a certain speciality...


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Re: Event update ; notice

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Maybe I shouldn't make the shirt "CHUCK HILL SAYS:" at the top and  
"SO BLAME CHUCK HILL!" at the bottom, then :) ?


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

I'm kinda glad to hear that.  I am going to catch some serious  
blame over what was intended as a joke.


Chuck

On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

For some random stats -- of the about 40 shirts that have been  
sold since the new round of shirts went up, only TWO PEOPLE have  
been daring enough to buy WO AIMF shirts :)  So you are in a very  
exclusive club.  I should have but a "Member's Only" logo on it, too.


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Alex Cone wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for the  
monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking down the  
WO people I want to hook up with.  This time they will all be  
conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even copped a  
"WO AIMF" t-shirt.


I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if  
anyone wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for  
Saturday dinner?  http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL you  
can see they have a certain speciality...


Alex Cone

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I'm kinda glad to hear that.  I am going to catch some serious blame  
over what was intended as a joke.


Chuck

On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

For some random stats -- of the about 40 shirts that have been sold  
since the new round of shirts went up, only TWO PEOPLE have been  
daring enough to buy WO AIMF shirts :)  So you are in a very  
exclusive club.  I should have but a "Member's Only" logo on it, too.


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Alex Cone wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for the  
monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking down the  
WO people I want to hook up with.  This time they will all be  
conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even copped a  
"WO AIMF" t-shirt.


I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if  
anyone wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for  
Saturday dinner?  http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL you  
can see they have a certain speciality...


Alex Cone

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[Alex Cone]

I even went for the "Radioactive Green" option!  I guess I'll stand  
out...


On Aug 4, 2006, at 11:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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From: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Event update ; notice

For some random stats -- of the about 40 shirts that have been sold
since the new round of shirts went up, only TWO PEOPLE have been
daring enough to buy WO AIMF shirts :)  So you are in a very
exclusive club.  I should have but a "Member's Only" logo on it, too.

ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Alex Cone wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for the
monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking down the
WO people I want to hook up with.  This time they will all be
conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even copped a
"WO AIMF" t-shirt.

I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if
anyone wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for Saturday
dinner?  http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL you can see
they have a certain speciality...



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For some random stats -- of the about 40 shirts that have been sold  
since the new round of shirts went up, only TWO PEOPLE have been  
daring enough to buy WO AIMF shirts :)  So you are in a very  
exclusive club.  I should have but a "Member's Only" logo on it, too.


ms

On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Alex Cone wrote:



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OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for the  
monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking down the  
WO people I want to hook up with.  This time they will all be  
conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even copped a  
"WO AIMF" t-shirt.


I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if  
anyone wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for Saturday  
dinner?  http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL you can see  
they have a certain speciality...


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Re: Event update ; notice

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OK, I cannot stand it.  My wife and I are coming out just for the  
monday party.  Usually I have to spend all week tracking down the WO  
people I want to hook up with.  This time they will all be  
conveniently gathered in one place.  With beer!  I even copped a "WO  
AIMF" t-shirt.


I'll actually be in by mid-day saturday and wanted to know if anyone  
wanted to meet up at Tommy's Mexican Restaurant for Saturday dinner?   
http://www.tommystequila.com/  From the URL you can see they have a  
certain speciality...


Alex Cone

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Karl Moskowski]

Jerry,

tacow == Toronto Area Cocoa and WebObjects Developer Group

It may be a bit of a convoluted acronym, but it's easy to pronounce,  
and, since we keep it lowercase, it's easy to type. Besides,  
www.tacow.org was available cheap. :-)


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Hi, David,

tacow = Toronto Area Cocoa Objects Web?

Perhaps it should have been tawoc!  :-)

Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:46 PM, David LeBer wrote:


This is a common refrain I'm afraid. This was one reason Karl and I
formed tacow. Besides having a quarterly geekfest, it allows us to
build a community and stay in touch with our fellow WO and Cocoa
developers. So the next time one of us faces a client expressing
doubt about our ability to deliver a suitable sized team we have
some ammunition.



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On 3-Aug-06, at 5:04 PM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:Hi, David,tacow = Toronto Area Cocoa Objects Web?Perhaps it should have been tawoc!  :-)Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjectsPoetic license and all that. - pronounces 'taco' (we're open to logo ideas :-) --;david--David LeBerCodeferous Software'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing'site:   http://www.codeferous.comblog: http://david.codeferous.com--Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group:http://www.tacow.org 

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[Jerry W. Walker]

Hi, David,

tacow = Toronto Area Cocoa Objects Web?

Perhaps it should have been tawoc!  :-)

Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 4:46 PM, David LeBer wrote:

This is a common refrain I'm afraid. This was one reason Karl and I  
formed tacow. Besides having a quarterly geekfest, it allows us to  
build a community and stay in touch with our fellow WO and Cocoa  
developers. So the next time one of us faces a client expressing  
doubt about our ability to deliver a suitable sized team we have  
some ammunition.



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Re: Event update ; notice

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On 3-Aug-06, at 3:43 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-03, à 15:26, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a  
start.  I think we should also put a list of people using WO,  
including their achievements, type of industries (SMB, media,  
etc.), other services they provide, etc.  This way, it would help  
each other to find partners for projects, and to help potential  
customers for finding WO people.


I have heard that from several of our clients, "It is hard to find  
WO people" (or hard to find them locally).


Same thing here, and one of customers even called Apple Canada to  
find WO people and they said that nobody is doing WO work in Quebec  
(which is not true, we know at least two other places that use WO  
besides us).


This is a common refrain I'm afraid. This was one reason Karl and I  
formed tacow. Besides having a quarterly geekfest, it allows us to  
build a community and stay in touch with our fellow WO and Cocoa  
developers. So the next time one of us faces a client expressing  
doubt about our ability to deliver a suitable sized team we have some  
ammunition.


WWDC only comes once a year :-)

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Re: Event update ; notice

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On 03.08.2006, at 19:08 Uhr, Jerry W. Walker wrote:

Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should remain  
separate and distinct.


You're absolutely right. It wasn't my idea to mirror each other - I  
didn't make that clear.


So +1 for me for advocacy to whywebobjects and educational to the  
wiki book.


cug
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Re: Event update ; notice

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Le 06-08-03, à 15:26, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a start.  I 
think we should also put a list of people using WO, including their 
achievements, type of industries (SMB, media, etc.), other services 
they provide, etc.  This way, it would help each other to find 
partners for projects, and to help potential customers for finding WO 
people.


I have heard that from several of our clients, "It is hard to find WO 
people" (or hard to find them locally).


Same thing here, and one of customers even called Apple Canada to find 
WO people and they said that nobody is doing WO work in Quebec (which 
is not true, we know at least two other places that use WO besides us).


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Re: Event update ; notice

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On 3 Aug 2006, at 20:26, Chuck Hill wrote:


On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a start.   
I think we should also put a list of people using WO, including  
their achievements, type of industries (SMB, media, etc.), other  
services they provide, etc.  This way, it would help each other to  
find partners for projects, and to help potential customers for  
finding WO people.


I have heard that from several of our clients, "It is hard to find  
WO people" (or hard to find them locally).


Yeah - I get that a lot too, only with the variation of: "I can't  
find people you haven't trained or used to work for you" :-).


Paul

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a start.   
I think we should also put a list of people using WO, including  
their achievements, type of industries (SMB, media, etc.), other  
services they provide, etc.  This way, it would help each other to  
find partners for projects, and to help potential customers for  
finding WO people.


I have heard that from several of our clients, "It is hard to find WO  
people" (or hard to find them locally).


Chuck



We should have bring back the site two weeks ago and made t-shirts  
with the URL for the WWDC :-)



I agree with Jerry as well.

I can get a server back up for the whywebobjects site in the next  
couple of days, and could set up the "yet another wiki".  ;-)  Or  
maybe I should wait until after you all get together Monday before  
starting any content, and see what ideas come up.


Regards,
Mark

On Aug 3, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Paul Lynch wrote:

There are cases for both approaches, but I prefer Jerry's  
suggestion.  Perhaps also some of the advocacy content from the  
wiki should move to whywebobjects?  Assuming, of course, that it  
is set up appropriately.  Perhaps take the original advocacy  
content that was offered and convert it into yet another wiki?


Paul


On 3 Aug 2006, at 18:08, Jerry W. Walker wrote:

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and .../wiki/ 
Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
successful deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence  
of superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on  
educational content. They should include topics showing how to  
do things in WO, educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common  
problems and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should  
remain separate and distinct.


Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:


On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back  
at an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do  
with it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/ 
or have Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we  
do a wiki site, etc., but at the time didn't get any  
feedback.  Up until a couple of days ago, there was a  
placeholder page asking for content suggestions to be sent to  
my email address, but due to an in-progress physical office  
location move it'll be a couple of more days before that  
machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?




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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

Yes, bringing back the old content from WhyWebObjects is a start.  I  
think we should also put a list of people using WO, including their  
achievements, type of industries (SMB, media, etc.), other services  
they provide, etc.  This way, it would help each other to find partners  
for projects, and to help potential customers for finding WO people.


We should have bring back the site two weeks ago and made t-shirts with  
the URL for the WWDC :-)



I agree with Jerry as well.

I can get a server back up for the whywebobjects site in the next  
couple of days, and could set up the "yet another wiki".  ;-)  Or  
maybe I should wait until after you all get together Monday before  
starting any content, and see what ideas come up.


Regards,
Mark

On Aug 3, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Paul Lynch wrote:

There are cases for both approaches, but I prefer Jerry's suggestion.  
 Perhaps also some of the advocacy content from the wiki should move  
to whywebobjects?  Assuming, of course, that it is set up  
appropriately.  Perhaps take the original advocacy content that was  
offered and convert it into yet another wiki?


Paul


On 3 Aug 2006, at 18:08, Jerry W. Walker wrote:

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and  
.../wiki/Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different  
purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
successful deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence of  
superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on  
educational content. They should include topics showing how to do  
things in WO, educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common problems  
and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should remain  
separate and distinct.


Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:


On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at  
an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do with  
it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/or have  
Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki  
site, etc., but at the time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a  
couple of days ago, there was a placeholder page asking for  
content suggestions to be sent to my email address, but due to an  
in-progress physical office location move it'll be a couple of  
more days before that machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?




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Re: Event update ; notice

[Mark Morris]

I agree with Jerry as well.

I can get a server back up for the whywebobjects site in the next  
couple of days, and could set up the "yet another wiki".  ;-)  Or  
maybe I should wait until after you all get together Monday before  
starting any content, and see what ideas come up.


Regards,
Mark

On Aug 3, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Paul Lynch wrote:

There are cases for both approaches, but I prefer Jerry's  
suggestion.  Perhaps also some of the advocacy content from the  
wiki should move to whywebobjects?  Assuming, of course, that it is  
set up appropriately.  Perhaps take the original advocacy content  
that was offered and convert it into yet another wiki?


Paul


On 3 Aug 2006, at 18:08, Jerry W. Walker wrote:

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and .../wiki/ 
Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
successful deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence of  
superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on  
educational content. They should include topics showing how to do  
things in WO, educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common  
problems and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should  
remain separate and distinct.


Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:


On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back  
at an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do  
with it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/ 
or have Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we  
do a wiki site, etc., but at the time didn't get any feedback.   
Up until a couple of days ago, there was a placeholder page  
asking for content suggestions to be sent to my email address,  
but due to an in-progress physical office location move it'll be  
a couple of more days before that machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?




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Re: Event update ; notice

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There are cases for both approaches, but I prefer Jerry's  
suggestion.  Perhaps also some of the advocacy content from the wiki  
should move to whywebobjects?  Assuming, of course, that it is set up  
appropriately.  Perhaps take the original advocacy content that was  
offered and convert it into yet another wiki?


Paul


On 3 Aug 2006, at 18:08, Jerry W. Walker wrote:

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and .../wiki/ 
Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
successful deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence of  
superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on  
educational content. They should include topics showing how to do  
things in WO, educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common problems  
and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should remain  
separate and distinct.


Regards,
Jerry

On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:


On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at  
an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do with  
it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/or have  
Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki  
site, etc., but at the time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a  
couple of days ago, there was a placeholder page asking for  
content suggestions to be sent to my email address, but due to an  
in-progress physical office location move it'll be a couple of  
more days before that machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?




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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

+1

My thoughts exactly.


On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


+1

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and .../wiki/ 
Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
successful deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence of  
superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on  
educational content. They should include topics showing how to do  
things in WO, educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common  
problems and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should  
remain separate and distinct.


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Re: Event update ; notice

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+1

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and 
.../wiki/Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different 
purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an advocacy 
site. It's content should include lists of (& links to) successful 
deployments, testimonials, comparisons and evidence of superiority 
over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on educational 
content. They should include topics showing how to do things in WO, 
educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common problems and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I 
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also 
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the 
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should remain 
separate and distinct.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Jerry W. Walker]

I think that the two web sites (whywebobjects.xxx and .../wiki/ 
Programming:WebObjects) should serve two very different purposes.


The whywebobjects site has, and should continue to, run as an  
advocacy site. It's content should include lists of (& links to)  
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superiority over competing technologies (e.g. RoR) and such.


The .../wiki/Programming:WebObjects pages should focus on educational  
content. They should include topics showing how to do things in WO,  
educational FAQ lists, resolutions to common problems and such.


Although I think there's room for overlap between the two (and I  
certainly believe that they should link to one another), I also  
believe that if either attempts to fulfill the objectives of the  
other, it will weaken it in its primary purpose. They should remain  
separate and distinct.


Regards,
Jerry

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On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at  
an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do with  
it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/or have  
Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki  
site, etc., but at the time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a  
couple of days ago, there was a placeholder page asking for  
content suggestions to be sent to my email address, but due to an  
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more days before that machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?



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[Mark Morris]

Yes, that should probably be at the very top of a list of resources.   
Also, in keeping with the domain name, there should be an advocacy/ 
comparison/testimonial type section, I would think.


-- Mark

On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:


On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I  
understand it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at  
an inflated rate), I registered whywebobjects.org,  
whywebobjects.net and whywebobjects.info before the same could  
happen to them.  I posted a message asking what we should do with  
it, what kind of content do we want, should I host it and/or have  
Dov put back up the whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki  
site, etc., but at the time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a  
couple of days ago, there was a placeholder page asking for  
content suggestions to be sent to my email address, but due to an  
in-progress physical office location move it'll be a couple of  
more days before that machine is back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?



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[Guido Neitzer]

On 03.08.2006, at 17:20 Uhr, Mark Morris wrote:

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I understand  
it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at an inflated  
rate), I registered whywebobjects.org, whywebobjects.net and  
whywebobjects.info before the same could happen to them.  I posted  
a message asking what we should do with it, what kind of content do  
we want, should I host it and/or have Dov put back up the  
whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki site, etc., but at the  
time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a couple of days ago, there  
was a placeholder page asking for content suggestions to be sent to  
my email address, but due to an in-progress physical office  
location move it'll be a couple of more days before that machine is  
back online.


Wouldn't it be best to point it to the WebObjects wiki book?



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[Mark Morris]

When I heard that whywebobjects.com had been taken (as I understand  
it, just by someone who then wanted to sell it back at an inflated  
rate), I registered whywebobjects.org, whywebobjects.net and  
whywebobjects.info before the same could happen to them.  I posted a  
message asking what we should do with it, what kind of content do we  
want, should I host it and/or have Dov put back up the  
whywebobjects.com stuff, should we do a wiki site, etc., but at the  
time didn't get any feedback.  Up until a couple of days ago, there  
was a placeholder page asking for content suggestions to be sent to  
my email address, but due to an in-progress physical office location  
move it'll be a couple of more days before that machine is back online.


I was originally planning to make it to WWDC this year (in fact, I  
still need to cancel my hotel reservation), but, alas, it was not  
meant to be.  :-(  However, I can host and set up whatever you guys  
come up with, and point all of the above domains to it.   Just let me  
know. :-)


Regards,
Mark

On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:04 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

There used to be a site like this, called (I thought)  
www.whywebobjects.com but it appears to have gone away.


Chuck


On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:


I was more thinking of a « portal » where :

- we can promote WO by telling to the world what kind of  
applications we do, and when someone from the "alliance" is  
delivring a new system with WO, we update the list


- links to ressources (both for WO people and people that want to  
know more about WO), ressources like WOCode, the Wiki, etc.


- maybe some forums

- list of members

- online tutorials

Maybe we can use GVCSiteMaker for this :-)  Let's talk about this  
next Monday.



Hi!

  I don't know about worldwide, but I would be very interested in  
creating an european WO community (could be part of a worldwide  
community, but the main focus is to be easier to make meet-ups).


  I think it's important, not only for people to meet and know  
they are not alone, but to exchange knowledge and experience, and  
show and promote their personal and/or professional WO-related  
work. Also, I focus on Europe, because with the cheap flights  
that are appearing all over the place (Vueling in Spain, Virgin  
Express, etc) we could make several meet-ups a year, and people  
would have the opportunity to join some of them (obviously, WWDC  
is a really big financial effort for europeans, due to the flights).


  I don't know anyone on Portugal, besides me and my partners,  
who use WebObjects for anything (unfortunately, my country is  
sold to Microsoft so-called "technologies"), but I know there are  
a lot of us in Europe. There's also some german guys, ObjectFarm,  
that talk about some Wocoa event (WO + Cocoa), but I sent them an  
email and got no answer... I don't know if Wocoa still exists.  
Are you guys out there?


  What do you all think (europeans for the european group,  
everyone for the worldwide group)?


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2006/08/02, at 18:35, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add  
a column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms  
of years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might  
help clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.   
I'd considered going back through the list archives to see if I  
could deduce this info for myself, but it seems self- 
description would be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/ 
alliance :-)


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

There used to be a site like this, called (I thought)  
www.whywebobjects.com but it appears to have gone away.


Chuck


On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:


I was more thinking of a « portal » where :

- we can promote WO by telling to the world what kind of  
applications we do, and when someone from the "alliance" is  
delivring a new system with WO, we update the list


- links to ressources (both for WO people and people that want to  
know more about WO), ressources like WOCode, the Wiki, etc.


- maybe some forums

- list of members

- online tutorials

Maybe we can use GVCSiteMaker for this :-)  Let's talk about this  
next Monday.



Hi!

  I don't know about worldwide, but I would be very interested in  
creating an european WO community (could be part of a worldwide  
community, but the main focus is to be easier to make meet-ups).


  I think it's important, not only for people to meet and know  
they are not alone, but to exchange knowledge and experience, and  
show and promote their personal and/or professional WO-related  
work. Also, I focus on Europe, because with the cheap flights that  
are appearing all over the place (Vueling in Spain, Virgin  
Express, etc) we could make several meet-ups a year, and people  
would have the opportunity to join some of them (obviously, WWDC  
is a really big financial effort for europeans, due to the flights).


  I don't know anyone on Portugal, besides me and my partners, who  
use WebObjects for anything (unfortunately, my country is sold to  
Microsoft so-called "technologies"), but I know there are a lot of  
us in Europe. There's also some german guys, ObjectFarm, that talk  
about some Wocoa event (WO + Cocoa), but I sent them an email and  
got no answer... I don't know if Wocoa still exists. Are you guys  
out there?


  What do you all think (europeans for the european group,  
everyone for the worldwide group)?


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2006/08/02, at 18:35, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a  
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of  
years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help  
clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd  
considered going back through the list archives to see if I  
could deduce this info for myself, but it seems self-description  
would be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/ 
alliance :-)


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[Pascal Robert]

I was more thinking of a « portal » where :

- we can promote WO by telling to the world what kind of applications  
we do, and when someone from the "alliance" is delivring a new system  
with WO, we update the list


- links to ressources (both for WO people and people that want to  
know more about WO), ressources like WOCode, the Wiki, etc.


- maybe some forums

- list of members

- online tutorials

Maybe we can use GVCSiteMaker for this :-)  Let's talk about this  
next Monday.



Hi!

  I don't know about worldwide, but I would be very interested in  
creating an european WO community (could be part of a worldwide  
community, but the main focus is to be easier to make meet-ups).


  I think it's important, not only for people to meet and know they  
are not alone, but to exchange knowledge and experience, and show  
and promote their personal and/or professional WO-related work.  
Also, I focus on Europe, because with the cheap flights that are  
appearing all over the place (Vueling in Spain, Virgin Express,  
etc) we could make several meet-ups a year, and people would have  
the opportunity to join some of them (obviously, WWDC is a really  
big financial effort for europeans, due to the flights).


  I don't know anyone on Portugal, besides me and my partners, who  
use WebObjects for anything (unfortunately, my country is sold to  
Microsoft so-called "technologies"), but I know there are a lot of  
us in Europe. There's also some german guys, ObjectFarm, that talk  
about some Wocoa event (WO + Cocoa), but I sent them an email and  
got no answer... I don't know if Wocoa still exists. Are you guys  
out there?


  What do you all think (europeans for the european group, everyone  
for the worldwide group)?


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2006/08/02, at 18:35, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a  
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of  
years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help  
clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd  
considered going back through the list archives to see if I could  
deduce this info for myself, but it seems self-description would  
be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/ 
alliance :-)


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Miguel Arroz]

Hi!

On 2006/08/02, at 23:13, Anjo Krank wrote:


Hi,

Objectfarm is slowly getting out of the WO business.


  Sad news to hear! :( Are they changing to another technology? Or  
have they decided to go nature-only? :)


  Yours

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well, there are $1 pool tables. We'll let wizards be defined there :)

On 8/2/06, Gavin Eadie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
>Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/chill.at.gvc

... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of years
of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help clusters
of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd considered going
back through the list archives to see if I could deduce this info for
myself, but it seems self-description would be better

or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" / "eo
experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc
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[Anjo Krank]

Hi,

Objectfarm is slowly getting out of the WO business. Still the Wocoas  
are pretty healthy here and take place two times a year. Normally,  
there are about 30-50 people attending.


The next meetup will be held by my company - LogicUnited GmbH - in  
Munich. The exact date is still determined, but the most probable  
date is 29th Sept. As this is the last weekend of the Octoberfest  
(worth a visit by itself:) we'll get this pinned down next week so  
people can make their reservations.


For more info, either write me or (recommended) join the wocoa  
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Am 02.08.2006 um 23:56 schrieb Miguel Arroz:


Hi!

  I don't know about worldwide, but I would be very interested in  
creating an european WO community (could be part of a worldwide  
community, but the main focus is to be easier to make meet-ups).


  I think it's important, not only for people to meet and know they  
are not alone, but to exchange knowledge and experience, and show  
and promote their personal and/or professional WO-related work.  
Also, I focus on Europe, because with the cheap flights that are  
appearing all over the place (Vueling in Spain, Virgin Express,  
etc) we could make several meet-ups a year, and people would have  
the opportunity to join some of them (obviously, WWDC is a really  
big financial effort for europeans, due to the flights).


  I don't know anyone on Portugal, besides me and my partners, who  
use WebObjects for anything (unfortunately, my country is sold to  
Microsoft so-called "technologies"), but I know there are a lot of  
us in Europe. There's also some german guys, ObjectFarm, that talk  
about some Wocoa event (WO + Cocoa), but I sent them an email and  
got no answer... I don't know if Wocoa still exists. Are you guys  
out there?


  What do you all think (europeans for the european group, everyone  
for the worldwide group)?


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2006/08/02, at 18:35, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a  
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of  
years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help  
clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd  
considered going back through the list archives to see if I could  
deduce this info for myself, but it seems self-description would  
be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/ 
alliance :-)


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Miguel Arroz]

Hi!

  I don't know about worldwide, but I would be very interested in  
creating an european WO community (could be part of a worldwide  
community, but the main focus is to be easier to make meet-ups).


  I think it's important, not only for people to meet and know they  
are not alone, but to exchange knowledge and experience, and show and  
promote their personal and/or professional WO-related work. Also, I  
focus on Europe, because with the cheap flights that are appearing  
all over the place (Vueling in Spain, Virgin Express, etc) we could  
make several meet-ups a year, and people would have the opportunity  
to join some of them (obviously, WWDC is a really big financial  
effort for europeans, due to the flights).


  I don't know anyone on Portugal, besides me and my partners, who  
use WebObjects for anything (unfortunately, my country is sold to  
Microsoft so-called "technologies"), but I know there are a lot of us  
in Europe. There's also some german guys, ObjectFarm, that talk about  
some Wocoa event (WO + Cocoa), but I sent them an email and got no  
answer... I don't know if Wocoa still exists. Are you guys out there?


  What do you all think (europeans for the european group, everyone  
for the worldwide group)?


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2006/08/02, at 18:35, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a  
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of  
years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help  
clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd  
considered going back through the list archives to see if I could  
deduce this info for myself, but it seems self-description would  
be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/ 
alliance :-)


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Mike Schrag]

"WObie" t-shirts :)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


OK, maybe Mike can print WO newbie hats in time... ;)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:


Hi!

or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" /  
"eo experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc


  That won't work! I'm a novice, and OBVIOUSLY I want to sit with  
the wizards and learn what i can from them! :)


  Yours

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Ken Anderson]

OK, maybe Mike can print WO newbie hats in time... ;)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:


Hi!

or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" /  
"eo experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc


  That won't work! I'm a novice, and OBVIOUSLY I want to sit with  
the wizards and learn what i can from them! :)


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

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   LIBERDADE E' ESCRAVIDAO
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Re: Event update ; notice

[Miguel Arroz]

Hi!

or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" /  
"eo experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc


  That won't work! I'm a novice, and OBVIOUSLY I want to sit with  
the wizards and learn what i can from them! :)


  Yours

Miguel Arroz

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   LIBERDADE E' ESCRAVIDAO
   IGNORANCIA E' FORCA"   -- 1984

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

Le 06-08-02, à 12:42, Gavin Eadie a écrit :


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at 
http://www.global-village.net/chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a 
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of years 
of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help clusters of 
similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd considered going back 
through the list archives to see if I could deduce this info for 
myself, but it seems self-description would be better


Maybe it's time to consider doing a worldwide WO user group/alliance :-)

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

Maybe we can make more noise than the MacEntreprise people, their  
meetup is Sunday from 4pm to 7pm at the The Thirsty Bear :-)


That might be an OK, if small, place to meet.  However, I need to eat  
as well and the lounge is not a good place for that.  As we already  
have directions to The Thirsty Bear, shall we meet there?  They are  
open Sunday  5:00pm -10:00pm


Chuck


On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


Maybe we can meet up in the King George's Bar & Lounge ?

http://kinggeorge.com/dining-winston.html

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to  
add his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in the  
pratice.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

That might be an OK, if small, place to meet.  However, I need to eat  
as well and the lounge is not a good place for that.  As we already  
have directions to The Thirsty Bear, shall we meet there?  They are  
open Sunday  5:00pm -10:00pm


Chuck


On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


Maybe we can meet up in the King George's Bar & Lounge ?

http://kinggeorge.com/dining-winston.html

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to  
add his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in  
the pratice.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

On Aug 1, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Marc Respass wrote:




My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


My flight gets into SFO around 6pm Sunday and I'm up for some  
practice Sunday night. I am planning to take the train from the  
airport


You might want to consider taking a shuttle instead.  It is only $15,  
is much faster than the very long BART ride, and delivers you to the  
front door of your hotel.



and I'm staying at some hotel near 600 Geary. Also, I am willing to  
make up a beer for any under age folk who can't drink or any over  
age folk who won't. I need to dispel the rumors of Bostonians being  
rude :)


:-P


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Ken Anderson]

Please include "only really use EOF" too :)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Gavin Eadie wrote:


At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:
Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a  
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of  
years of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help  
clusters of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd  
considered going back through the list archives to see if I could  
deduce this info for myself, but it seems self-description would be  
better


or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" /  
"eo experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Gavin Eadie]

At 12:32 PM -0700 8/1/06, Joe Little wrote:

Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/chill.at.gvc


... would it be useful, or is it too late to be useful, to add a 
column to describe our relationship to WebObjects (in terms of years 
of experience and/or areas of interest) ?  That might help clusters 
of similar interest to form in a large group.  I'd considered going 
back through the list archives to see if I could deduce this info for 
myself, but it seems self-description would be better


or, maybe, if the room suits, identify a few tables : "novices" / "eo 
experts" / "wonder wizards" / "ajax advocates" / etc

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

They say « appetizers » on the page, but they don't mention which ones 
:-/


I was planning on making this dinner, since I'll be heading straight 
from the airport...  It doesn't seem like they have food there.  Do 
they?


On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


Maybe we can meet up in the King George's Bar & Lounge ?

http://kinggeorge.com/dining-winston.html

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to 
add his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a 
night of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in the 
pratice.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Ken Anderson]

I was planning on making this dinner, since I'll be heading straight  
from the airport...  It doesn't seem like they have food there.  Do  
they?


On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


Maybe we can meet up in the King George's Bar & Lounge ?

http://kinggeorge.com/dining-winston.html

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to  
add his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in  
the pratice.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

Maybe we can meet up in the King George's Bar & Lounge ?

http://kinggeorge.com/dining-winston.html

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to add 
his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a night 
of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in the 
pratice.


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Karl]

Yes.  I'll be there with one of my colleagues (must remind him to add  
his name to the list!)


What time on Sunday are people practising?

Karl

On 2-Aug-06, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:



Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in the  
pratice.

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Pascal Robert]

Le 06-08-01 à 17:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course! drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday. Anyone want to get in a night 
of practice on Sunday?


We're coming in at 12:20 PM on Sunday, so we can participate in the 
pratice.

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Re: Event update ; notice

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Hi!

On 2006/08/01, at 20:32, Joe Little wrote:


WO Drinking contest, anybody?


  Try to avoid Stack Overflow Exceptions... ;)

  Yours

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Re: Re: Event update ; notice

[Joe Little]

yes. full beverage services, etc. The thirstybear.com web site should
list all available beverages, including virgin cocktails


On 8/1/06, Daniel DeCovnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For those of us who are too young and/or need to drive that night,
are there any non-alcoholic options?

-Dan


On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Joe Little wrote:

> So, the WO Gathering @ WWDC 2006 has gotten pretty big. We just hit 85
> people this morning. I would like to add a few requests. If you have
> signed up, please kindly update extra information (one of company
> name, spam-unhappy email address form, or hotel) so that I can get a
> final "seriously, I'll be there" head count. If you are no longer able
> to attend, please remove yourself from that list.
>
> It looks like we'll be submitting 85 as our final head count, and thus
> we will be held to that number for our drink minimum. Again, its at
> the ThirstyBear, located a little over one block east of Moscone West
> in the Billar Room, from 7:30-10:30. We suggest eating up at the Apple
> event as the provided food will be meager compared to the amounts of
> alcohol consumed :)
>
> Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/
> chill.at.gvc
>
> I'll likely be there with my yellow WebObjects  shirt (Thanks
> Mike for that design!) and will settle the bill at the end. Again,
> expectations are $6 "at the door" to me, and drink up for yourself.
> I'm sure we will easily pass the $15/person minimum. WO Drinking
> contest, anybody?


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Re: Event update ; notice

[Danny Wang]

Or, as common practice dictates in the web 2.0 days, we're beta, but  
we'll let people hammer on it and use them as beta testers. =) I'm in  
for Sunday night. Nothing quite like going to a keynote hungover.  
Makes Steve's reality distortion field seem less fuzzy.


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On Aug 1, 2006, at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I think it's Gather 0.5, the Beta version.

janine

On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Yeah we are coming in Friday night and have something going on  
Sunday afternoon, but we should be around Sunday night.  Is this  
shaping up to be WO Gather II: Electric Boogaloo?


ms

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!


Shouldn't that have read a "keg"? :)

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


I'm arriving Saturday, so I'm up for something on Sunday night.

janine

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Re: Event update ; notice

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On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!


Shouldn't that have read a "keg"? :)


Kegs are bottles too!  :-P



My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


I'm arriving Saturday, so I'm up for something on Sunday night.


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Re: Event update ; notice

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I think it's Gather 0.5, the Beta version.

janine

On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Yeah we are coming in Friday night and have something going on  
Sunday afternoon, but we should be around Sunday night.  Is this  
shaping up to be WO Gather II: Electric Boogaloo?


ms

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!


Shouldn't that have read a "keg"? :)

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


I'm arriving Saturday, so I'm up for something on Sunday night.

janine

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Mike Schrag]

Yeah we are coming in Friday night and have something going on Sunday  
afternoon, but we should be around Sunday night.  Is this shaping up  
to be WO Gather II: Electric Boogaloo?


ms

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!


Shouldn't that have read a "keg"? :)

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


I'm arriving Saturday, so I'm up for something on Sunday night.

janine

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Ken Anderson]

Absolutely.  My flight supposedly arrives at 6:59 PM - maybe if yours  
is a little late and mine is early, we could share a cab?


Either case, dinner / drinks at the bear sounds good.
Ken

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course!  drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?





On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Daniel DeCovnick wrote:

For those of us who are too young and/or need to drive that  
night, are there any non-alcoholic options?


-Dan


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Re: Event update ; notice

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On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!


Shouldn't that have read a "keg"? :)

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a  
night of practice on Sunday?


I'm arriving Saturday, so I'm up for something on Sunday night.

janine

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Chuck Hill]

On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Of course!  drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.


Heck, I can probably drink an entire bottle of beer by myself!

My flight gets in at 6:30PM on Sunday.  Anyone want to get in a night  
of practice on Sunday?





On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Daniel DeCovnick wrote:

For those of us who are too young and/or need to drive that night,  
are there any non-alcoholic options?


-Dan


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WebObjects and Xcode http://www.global-village.net/wointro


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overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific  
problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects





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Re: Event update ; notice

[Ken Anderson]

Of course!  drink 7 sodas instead :)

My guess is, other people will easily make up the shortfall.

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Daniel DeCovnick wrote:

For those of us who are too young and/or need to drive that night,  
are there any non-alcoholic options?


-Dan


On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Joe Little wrote:

So, the WO Gathering @ WWDC 2006 has gotten pretty big. We just  
hit 85

people this morning. I would like to add a few requests. If you have
signed up, please kindly update extra information (one of company
name, spam-unhappy email address form, or hotel) so that I can get a
final "seriously, I'll be there" head count. If you are no longer  
able

to attend, please remove yourself from that list.

It looks like we'll be submitting 85 as our final head count, and  
thus

we will be held to that number for our drink minimum. Again, its at
the ThirstyBear, located a little over one block east of Moscone West
in the Billar Room, from 7:30-10:30. We suggest eating up at the  
Apple

event as the provided food will be meager compared to the amounts of
alcohol consumed :)

Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


I'll likely be there with my yellow WebObjects  shirt (Thanks
Mike for that design!) and will settle the bill at the end. Again,
expectations are $6 "at the door" to me, and drink up for yourself.
I'm sure we will easily pass the $15/person minimum. WO Drinking
contest, anybody?

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Re: Event update ; notice

[Daniel DeCovnick]

For those of us who are too young and/or need to drive that night,  
are there any non-alcoholic options?


-Dan


On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Joe Little wrote:


So, the WO Gathering @ WWDC 2006 has gotten pretty big. We just hit 85
people this morning. I would like to add a few requests. If you have
signed up, please kindly update extra information (one of company
name, spam-unhappy email address form, or hotel) so that I can get a
final "seriously, I'll be there" head count. If you are no longer able
to attend, please remove yourself from that list.

It looks like we'll be submitting 85 as our final head count, and thus
we will be held to that number for our drink minimum. Again, its at
the ThirstyBear, located a little over one block east of Moscone West
in the Billar Room, from 7:30-10:30. We suggest eating up at the Apple
event as the provided food will be meager compared to the amounts of
alcohol consumed :)

Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/ 
chill.at.gvc


I'll likely be there with my yellow WebObjects  shirt (Thanks
Mike for that design!) and will settle the bill at the end. Again,
expectations are $6 "at the door" to me, and drink up for yourself.
I'm sure we will easily pass the $15/person minimum. WO Drinking
contest, anybody?

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Event update ; notice

[Joe Little]

So, the WO Gathering @ WWDC 2006 has gotten pretty big. We just hit 85
people this morning. I would like to add a few requests. If you have
signed up, please kindly update extra information (one of company
name, spam-unhappy email address form, or hotel) so that I can get a
final "seriously, I'll be there" head count. If you are no longer able
to attend, please remove yourself from that list.

It looks like we'll be submitting 85 as our final head count, and thus
we will be held to that number for our drink minimum. Again, its at
the ThirstyBear, located a little over one block east of Moscone West
in the Billar Room, from 7:30-10:30. We suggest eating up at the Apple
event as the provided food will be meager compared to the amounts of
alcohol consumed :)

Details are always listed at http://www.global-village.net/chill.at.gvc

I'll likely be there with my yellow WebObjects  shirt (Thanks
Mike for that design!) and will settle the bill at the end. Again,
expectations are $6 "at the door" to me, and drink up for yourself.
I'm sure we will easily pass the $15/person minimum. WO Drinking
contest, anybody?
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