RE: Hibernate was Re: News from Webobjecs sessions
I also prefer EOF and Cayenne to Hibernate, but I've had to use Hibernate on a project and it's usable. It's not great, and certain things like the criteria api are completely broken to the point of uselessness, but as open sources projects go I've seen much worse. I think the use of annotations is a good thing, one that I'd like to see supported by both Cayenne and EOF (especially now that EOModeler and other tools are deprecated). BTW, Hibernate 3 does support validation, using an annotation-based API that seems to be fairly decent: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/j-hibval.html. I think the fact that Hibernate objects are POJOs that don't have to inherit from a base class or implement an interface, like EOF objects do, is also pretty useful and doesn't seem to have many drawbacks. Hibernate also has pretty good documentation and a lot of useful examples on their web site. Another very helpful thing is that if you post a message on the support forums pointing out a bug or design flaw in Hibernate, Gavin King will show up, completely free of charge, to tell you that this is the way it's supposed to work, and that anyone who does whatever it is differently is completely wrong and just doesn't get it. You just can't get support like that anywhere else at any price ;-). BTW, I've looked at JSF briefly and was pretty underwhelmed. I've tried to understand Seam, which some people seem to really like, but everytime I've looked at the documentation and examples, my eyes glaze over and I lose interest quickly. I'm curious whether anyone here has looked at it and if so whether it's actually worth checking out, or if it's just another overly complicated EJB2-like pile of crap. Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Q Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:08 PM To: Pierre Bernard Cc: WebObjects Dev Subject: Hibernate was Re: News from Webobjecs sessions On 16/06/2007, at 8:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote: We have been seriously investigating Hibernate. No matter where in the world you are now. You might have heard me crying! I had the pleasure to be involved in a Hibernate project. I wouldn't know where to start criticizing this whatever you want to call it. I actually purged much of my memory on this experience as to keep my mental sanity. On the bright side, you survived. Hibernate is a joke of a pile of crap! It is by no means a persistence framework. You might at best call it a SQL generator. No validation, no object graph management, makes you have SQL-like Strings in your Java code, ... In the style of Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear (BBC). So if you must to use Hibernate, don't, it's rubbish, use Cayenne instead. (assuming EOF is not an option) -- Seeya...Q Quinton Dolan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Ph: +61 419 729 806 ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/bruce%40iterative.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: News from Webobjecs sessions
On Jun 16, 2007, at 1:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote: Hibernate is a joke of a pile of crap! It is by no means a persistence framework. You might at best call it a SQL generator. No validation, no object graph management, makes you have SQL-like Strings in your Java code, ... Hehe, hear ya :-) Coincidentally I am now working to add a new type of query to Cayenne [1] based on the JPA SQL-like object syntax (probably a lot like the Hibernate one). I really don't see this being used as a default query by our users for the reasons you've mentioned, still since the EJBQL syntax (oh my god, he said 'EJB'! :-)) supports all kinds of SQL-inspired things (aggregates, subqueries, explicit join semantics etc.), I see it as a solution for those 10-20% of cases that normal object queries (EOFetchSpecification or Cayenne SelectQuery) don't handle very well. Yes I know there are numerous extensions to EOFetchSpecification to do most of those extra things, and we've been doing that in Cayenne to some extent, but I always had a feeling I am stretching the basic object query concept too much when doing that. Cheers, Andrus [1] http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/ejbqlquery.html ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday, June 15, 2007, at 02:12PM, Janine Sisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in feeling that the face time with other developers alone is worth the price of admission. ... Agreed! Every year I'm amazed at the number of tips, tricks, specific details, notes on what not to do that I pickup just being 'around' discussions... Not to mention the contacts and getting to know people outside of the I've got a problem and I need it fixed this second context! :-) M. __ Mark Ritchie Cocoa and WebObjects Developer Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. Toronto, Ontario, Canada ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12-Jun-07, at 12:24 PM, netBrackets wrote: Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're: A. More excited about WO than before the session. B. Less excited about WO than before the session. C. About the same. Just to be clear, I'm A++ NDA precludes further specific comment ;-) Mark __ Mark Ritchie Cocoa and WebObjects Developer Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. Toronto, Ontario, Canada ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A++ On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mark Ritchie wrote: ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects- lists%40houdah.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Houdah Software s. à r. l. http://www.houdah.com HoudahGeo: One-stop photo geocoding HoudahSpot: Powerful Spotlight frontend ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmm, I think I can only go so far as A+ - I guess I am just not as exuberant as Mark and Pierre. Call it understated happiness. :) janine On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote: A++ On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mark Ritchie wrote: ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects-lists%40houdah.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Houdah Software s. à r. l. http://www.houdah.com HoudahGeo: One-stop photo geocoding HoudahSpot: Powerful Spotlight frontend ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/janine%40furfly.net This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:14 AM -0500 6/12/07, James Cicenia wrote: Can we at least get a nugget like.. things are happening? same as it always is.. nothing new.. just opensource. We just finished the WebObjects Feedback session, about forty questions and suggestions to the Apple people up front. What was different this year was that the audience and the stage were in synch - there was very little criticism of Apple, and what there was seemed reasonable and constructive (especially mine!). As others have said, WWDC attendees are not allowed to disclose any of the material content of the presentations, but I'll join others here in saying things are looking good, in offering my thanks to the Apple team for making this year different, and to key members of our non-Apple community who have done heroic work this year. We asked for a short note to this list from an Apple person - they can't disclose certain things either, but they know how close they can get to the line and stay safe! A++ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The session list is never complete when first posted; I don't think they make that very clear, but they add things all the time. There are even new sessions announced the night before sometimes. So It's best to make the assumption that there will be something for just about everyone. Besides, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in feeling that the face time with other developers alone is worth the price of admission. Any actual sessions held and information imparted is just the icing on the cake. janine On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: When Apple first posted the sessions for WWDC, it looked like there would be absolutely nothing at all about WebObjects at the developers conference (I was under the impression that this was the major impetus for WOWODC). So after WOWODC, I opted to skip WWDC and head back home. I am now kicking myself since apparently there's more news regarding WebObjects this year than at any developer's conference in the past. Of course, I'm merely speculating since any non-attendees are banned by the iron hand of Apple's NDA from knowing what all this cheery banter is about :) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well having devoted three full years with WebObjects I am finally feeling ok with my decision. Don't get me wrong the learning curve was steep, however, I had a secret weapon back in the first six months... this list and Chuck. I too now have a very nice success story with WebObjects. And, I just love working in it. Now I will buy a new 17 Powerbook, move to the latest version of eclipse and wolips ( I have been using an old g4 powerbook with eclipse 2.2 and a very old version of wolips. It has served me well. Now after readign all the eclipse wolips lists, I feel that the time is right for my new upgrade. So with that and with the news that people are happy about where WebObjects is going, all I can say is I am psyched again. James Cicenia On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Janine Sisk wrote: The session list is never complete when first posted; I don't think they make that very clear, but they add things all the time. There are even new sessions announced the night before sometimes. So It's best to make the assumption that there will be something for just about everyone. Besides, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in feeling that the face time with other developers alone is worth the price of admission. Any actual sessions held and information imparted is just the icing on the cake. janine On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: When Apple first posted the sessions for WWDC, it looked like there would be absolutely nothing at all about WebObjects at the developers conference (I was under the impression that this was the major impetus for WOWODC). So after WOWODC, I opted to skip WWDC and head back home. I am now kicking myself since apparently there's more news regarding WebObjects this year than at any developer's conference in the past. Of course, I'm merely speculating since any non-attendees are banned by the iron hand of Apple's NDA from knowing what all this cheery banter is about :) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james% 40jimijon.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am curious about a few things that perhaps people can comment on: 1. Is EOF going to support JPA (Java Persistence Architecture) anytime soon? 2. Is direct support for connection pooling going to be implemented? 3. Any word on open source status? We have been seriously investigating Hibernate. Hibernate has mountains of documentation (it seems to be very complex in comparison to EOF) and a pretty vibrant developer community. We are also considering JSF as a replacement for the WebObjects components. The move would not be easy but in light of the lack of news I don't think we have a lot of choice from a business perspective. Any news is good news. Dov Rosenberg ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When Apple first posted the sessions for WWDC, it looked like there would be absolutely nothing at all about WebObjects at the developers conference (I was under the impression that this was the major impetus for WOWODC). So after WOWODC, I opted to skip WWDC and head back home. I am now kicking myself since apparently there's more news regarding WebObjects this year than at any developer's conference in the past. Of course, I'm merely speculating since any non-attendees are banned by the iron hand of Apple's NDA from knowing what all this cheery banter is about :) On Jun 15, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Janine Sisk wrote: Hmm, I think I can only go so far as A+ - I guess I am just not as exuberant as Mark and Pierre. Call it understated happiness. :) janine ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We have been seriously investigating Hibernate. No matter where in the world you are now. You might have heard me crying! I had the pleasure to be involved in a Hibernate project. I wouldn't know where to start criticizing this whatever you want to call it. I actually purged much of my memory on this experience as to keep my mental sanity. Hibernate is a joke of a pile of crap! It is by no means a persistence framework. You might at best call it a SQL generator. No validation, no object graph management, makes you have SQL-like Strings in your Java code, ... Pierre - - - Houdah Software s. à r. l. http://www.houdah.com HoudahGeo: One-stop photo geocoding HoudahSpot: Powerful Spotlight frontend ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those sessions? Thanks. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Same as last year - Apple will make whatever announcements as necessary to the community as soon as they can. Last year they sent an email to this list detailing the goings-on... but it's Apple's job to do. On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote: Agree to that. Wouldn't be a big concern for apple to let users whats going on. I think there's also an informal session that can't be covered by any agreement. Am 12.06.2007 um 15:14 schrieb James Cicenia: Can we at least get a nugget like.. things are happening? same as it always is.. nothing new.. just opensource. thanks - j - On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote: Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those sessions? While I'm not at WWDC, I can already predict that the answer will be 'no', for the simple reason that all sessions and other information passed out at WWDC, with the exception of the stevenote, are covered by an NDA. Thanks. Sorry, // Christian Brunschen ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james% 40jimijon.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists% 40anderhome.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Correct. There are large signs up all over WWDC reminding people that all the information they receive is confidential and under NDA. While I don't really like this, I am bound by the agreement that I have made. Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote: Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those sessions? While I'm not at WWDC, I can already predict that the answer will be 'no', for the simple reason that all sessions and other information passed out at WWDC, with the exception of the stevenote, are covered by an NDA. Thanks. Sorry, // Christian Brunschen ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill% 40global-village.net This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're: A. More excited about WO than before the session. B. Less excited about WO than before the session. C. About the same. Jeff On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 11:15AM, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct. There are large signs up all over WWDC reminding people that all the information they receive is confidential and under NDA. While I don't really like this, I am bound by the agreement that I have made. Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote: Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those sessions? While I'm not at WWDC, I can already predict that the answer will be 'no', for the simple reason that all sessions and other information passed out at WWDC, with the exception of the stevenote, are covered by an NDA. Thanks. Sorry, // Christian Brunschen ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill% 40global-village.net This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jeffandmonica%40mac.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:29 AM, James Cicenia wrote: LOL . that was great... Can anyone answer Jeff's simple survey.. please. -j- On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:24 AM, netBrackets wrote: Without giving any technical details, can you state whether you're: A. More excited about WO than before the session. B. Less excited about WO than before the session. C. About the same. Jeff On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 11:15AM, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] village.net wrote: Correct. There are large signs up all over WWDC reminding people that all the information they receive is confidential and under NDA. While I don't really like this, I am bound by the agreement that I have made. Chuck On Jun 12, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Christian Brunschen wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Thierry Kramis wrote: Can anyone that attends those Webobjects Session @ WWDC please post any news or comments on Webobjects or give a short review on those sessions? While I'm not at WWDC, I can already predict that the answer will be 'no', for the simple reason that all sessions and other information passed out at WWDC, with the exception of the stevenote, are covered by an NDA. Thanks. Sorry, // Christian Brunschen ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill% 40global-village.net This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ jeffandmonica%40mac.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james% 40jimijon.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12.06.2007, at 09:32, Chuck Hill wrote: This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) ;-) cug, sitting in an Objective-C session and being jealous ... ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) Indeed!! The WOWODC event on Sunday was fabulous start to the week! And no, I've not been to any WebObjects sessions yet either. M. __ Mark Ritchie Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. Toronto Ontario Canada ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm so BUMMED I couldn't be there! On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Mark Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] village.net wrote: This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) Indeed!! The WOWODC event on Sunday was fabulous start to the week! And no, I've not been to any WebObjects sessions yet either. M. __ Mark Ritchie Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. Toronto Ontario Canada ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists% 40anderhome.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We were bummed too. Hopefully you can make it next year! On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: I'm so BUMMED I couldn't be there! On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Mark Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 12:33PM, Chuck Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] village.net wrote: This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) Indeed!! The WOWODC event on Sunday was fabulous start to the week! And no, I've not been to any WebObjects sessions yet either. M. __ Mark Ritchie Diamond Lake Consulting Inc. Toronto Ontario Canada ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists% 40anderhome.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:) On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote: On 12.06.2007, at 09:32, Chuck Hill wrote: This is a good year for WebObjects. And I have not even been to the session yet. :-) ;-) cug, sitting in an Objective-C session and being jealous ...___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag% 40mdimension.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
