Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi,

Am 22.08.2016 um 09:42 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
> Hi,
>
> Dennis Roczek wrote on 2016-08-18 at 10:42:
>> Copy from another email:
>> You could view a test site with the current development status (without
>> a specific theme)  at
>> http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExtText/en
>> and with a very alpha theme at
>> http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExt-Theming/en
>
> seems that is broken at the moment - it looked much "greener" when I
> tested out. ;-) I notified Andreas, probably it's related to some
> migration path.
>
> After the new site is migrated, there is an option to have a designer
> working on it should there be a need. Let's see when it is live.


this is the latest instance with theming:
http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9090/liboexttempsite

I have especially done the work for the home yet. But there is space for
improvements, especially for the subdirectories (templates and extensions).

Kind regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Dennis Roczek wrote on 2016-08-18 at 10:42:

Copy from another email:
You could view a test site with the current development status (without
a specific theme)  at
http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExtText/en
and with a very alpha theme at
http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExt-Theming/en


seems that is broken at the moment - it looked much "greener" when I 
tested out. ;-) I notified Andreas, probably it's related to some 
migration path.


After the new site is migrated, there is an option to have a designer 
working on it should there be a need. Let's see when it is live.


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Dennis Roczek]

Hi Florian,

On 18.08.2016 10:32, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2016-08-17 at 22:50:
> 
>> Maybe Andreas knows more about this however, it would be really good to
>> ensure the look is similar or at least coherent with the one of
>> http://www.libreoffice.org . I may be wrong however, but Bootstrap was
>> used
>> as part of the design of the main website.
> 
> Andreas, can you share the link to the recent version again? I tried to
> find it quickly, but I only reached older pages. :-)

Copy from another email:
You could view a test site with the current development status (without
a specific theme)  at
http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExtText/en
and with a very alpha theme at
http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9096/LibOExt-Theming/en


>> If it were not the case Florian, could we fund such a design work?
> 
> If there's a need, we to find budget somewhere. The infra budget has no
> real reserves IIRC, but in general I wouldn't object, of course. But
> let's first see what we have and if there is a need.
> 
> Florian
> 

Dennis

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2016-08-17 at 22:50:


Maybe Andreas knows more about this however, it would be really good to
ensure the look is similar or at least coherent with the one of
http://www.libreoffice.org . I may be wrong however, but Bootstrap was used
as part of the design of the main website.


Andreas, can you share the link to the recent version again? I tried to 
find it quickly, but I only reached older pages. :-)



If it were not the case Florian, could we fund such a design work?


If there's a need, we to find budget somewhere. The infra budget has no 
real reserves IIRC, but in general I wouldn't object, of course. But 
let's first see what we have and if there is a need.


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Charles-H . Schulz]

Hello Florian, Andreas,

Florian Effenberger  @ 2016-08-17 11:32 CEST:

> Hi Andreas,
>
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 2016-08-16 at 19:21:
>
>> the offer includes also design-work in the basis of the used 
>> twitter-bootstrap derivate.
>
> so the look will be similar to what is shown at the test VM, that's correct?

Maybe Andreas knows more about this however, it would be really good to
ensure the look is similar or at least coherent with the one of
http://www.libreoffice.org . I may be wrong however, but Bootstrap was used
as part of the design of the main website.

If it were not the case Florian, could we fund such a design work?

Thanks,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[toki]

I have no idea who wrote what, so I'm not attributing anything to anybody:

> Maybe all extensions that aren't tested

Who is going to do the testing?

It takes me at least 15 minutes to test an extension, if I know how it
is supposed to work, and have the appropriate locale installed.

If I don't know how the functionality provided by the extension is
supposed to work, testing can take hours.

A successful install of an extension does not mean that it works as
advertised.

>with the latest four main releases should be hidden

Whilst not quite as true today, as it has been in the past, extensions
for LibreOffice do work in EuroOffice, Apache OpenOffice, and NeoOffice.
As such, an extension that doesn't work with LibO 5.x might still be
fully functional for EU or AOo.

Furthermore, there are use cases where the only viable solution is an
older of LibreOffice. (Typically, this has been when required
functionality has been removed from LibO.)

Thus, rather than hide the extension, have an "Obsolete" selection,
which displays only extensions that are not functional for the last four
LibO releases.

> or (much better) removed from the site.

Some of those extensions are distributed under an open source license.
As such, it is possible for someone other than original developer to
update them --- if they know about them.

> If they are not tested on newer LibreOffice versions the user is:
> a) will be left on his own (no support from the extension developer and the 
> project)

I won't say that support from developers is never available, but
"Clipart gallery of danger signs"
(http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/gallery-of-danger-signs)
is typical, in that no information about the developer is available to
those who are not logged in. (I'd log in, but the site claims my login
name doesn't exist.)

When information about a developer is available, it is as likely as not
to be akin the screenshot provided by the developer of CalcLink:
http://www.lauschkeconsulting.com/walkthrough.html.

> b) will never find the extension, if he search for extensions that are
 compatible with one of the current LibreOffice versions.

For example, KMLOOo.
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/kmlooo.


jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Andreas,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 2016-08-16 at 19:21:


the offer includes also design-work in the basis of the used twitter-bootstrap 
derivate.


so the look will be similar to what is shown at the test VM, that's correct?


I'll most likely bump into him Düring FrOSCon next weekend.


Ok, if not let me know, then I ring him up so we get the contract signed.

Thanks,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello,

Am 16. August 2016 14:24:23 MESZ, schrieb Florian Effenberger 
:
>Hello,
>
>to give you a status update on where we stand:
>
>We have considered various options wrt. the extensions and templates 
>website. Maintenance can mostly only be done by Andreas right now, and 
>there were several issues that need fixing behind the scenes and in the
>
>frontend.
>
>Options to solve this have been either completely redoing that 
>particular website in a different CMS (which bears the callenge of 
>transferring all data and users) or improving the Plone instance (which
>
>requires the new sysadmin we're currently seeking to get trained if
>needed).
>
>Andreas has been working on improving the website, and we have been in 
>close touch with a Plone developer, who will address the shortcomings, 
>including cryptical error messages and manual account creation. I
>talked 
>to him myself to show the critical issues from my POV, including
>sharing 
>the knowledge how to maintain the instance, as getting this addressed
>is 
>critical to me for moving forward with Plone.
>
>The offer looked very competitive and covered the things required from 
>both Andreas' and my POV, and we're basically waiting for the contract 
>to sign.
>
>My hope is that we once and for all address all the issues with the 
>website in terms of technology and maintenance. Design-work, however, 
>was *not* included if I am not mistaken.
>

the offer includes also design-work in the basis of the used twitter-bootstrap 
derivate.

>Andreas, when did you poke him the last time? I really would like to
>get 
>the contract signed so we can proceed. Can you maybe shoot him another 
>e-mail? Otherwise I try to ring him up directly.
>

I'll most likely bump into him Düring FrOSCon next weekend.

Kind regards,
Andreas


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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

to give you a status update on where we stand:

We have considered various options wrt. the extensions and templates 
website. Maintenance can mostly only be done by Andreas right now, and 
there were several issues that need fixing behind the scenes and in the 
frontend.


Options to solve this have been either completely redoing that 
particular website in a different CMS (which bears the callenge of 
transferring all data and users) or improving the Plone instance (which 
requires the new sysadmin we're currently seeking to get trained if needed).


Andreas has been working on improving the website, and we have been in 
close touch with a Plone developer, who will address the shortcomings, 
including cryptical error messages and manual account creation. I talked 
to him myself to show the critical issues from my POV, including sharing 
the knowledge how to maintain the instance, as getting this addressed is 
critical to me for moving forward with Plone.


The offer looked very competitive and covered the things required from 
both Andreas' and my POV, and we're basically waiting for the contract 
to sign.


My hope is that we once and for all address all the issues with the 
website in terms of technology and maintenance. Design-work, however, 
was *not* included if I am not mistaken.


Andreas, when did you poke him the last time? I really would like to get 
the contract signed so we can proceed. Can you maybe shoot him another 
e-mail? Otherwise I try to ring him up directly.


Thanks,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Andreas Mantke]

Am 13.08.2016 um 20:13 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> Hello Andreas, 
> (...)
>  I can understand your frustration here (as a former person in charge of the 
> website I received plenty of late minute feedback despite having requested 
> those months before its completion) however the status of the new templates & 
> extension website is a bit unclear to me. The code may be on github but it is 
> not deployed here on our own infrastructure . (...)

http://vm141.documentfoundation.org:9090/liboexttempsite

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Andreas,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 13-08-16 17:57:
> Am 13.08.2016 um 16:31 schrieb Cor Nouws:

>> A single action/button "update release for new LibreOffice version"
>> would make it easier to do however.
> Sorry if that sounds a bit harsch:
> the code of the current environment and also the one of the upcomming is
> open source under the GPL.
> The code of the used add-ons is hosted on github.com and public.

I don't take offense at that comment of course in a open source project.
We know there have been numerous attempts and efforts to change the
current situation in which you are lacking time to effectively handle
the work load and implement the improvements timely. We all know for
years they are needed. Attempts including funds, offerings and probably
numerous things that happened out of sight for me. Without effect until now.
In this light, I think your comment is rather unfortunate.

Cheers - Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Andreas, 

Le 13 août 2016 17:57:15 GMT+02:00, Andreas Mantke  a écrit :
>Am 13.08.2016 um 16:31 schrieb Cor Nouws:
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> Andreas Mantke wrote on 13-08-16 11:10:
>(...)
>>>
>>> I think that I already provided this information many times: no.
>>> But in my opinion we need a frequent cleanup of the new website.
>Maybe
>>> all extensions that aren't tested with the latest four main releases
>>> should be hidden or (much better) removed from the site.
>> I'm not sure if that is needed. Speeking for myself: more then enough
>to
>> do and there is no harm if the extension is there without explicit
>
>the same here.
>
>> testing on newer versions.
>
>If they are not tested on newer LibreOffice versions the user is:
>a) will be left on his own (no support from the extension developer and
>the project)
>b) will never find the extension, if he search for extensions that are
>compatible with one of the current LibreOffice versions.
>
>> A single action/button "update release for new LibreOffice version"
>> would make it easier to do however.
>Sorry if that sounds a bit harsch:
>the code of the current environment and also the one of the upcomming
>is
>open source under the GPL.
>The code of the used add-ons is hosted on github.com and public.

 I can understand your frustration here (as a former person in charge of the 
website I received plenty of late minute feedback despite having requested 
those months before its completion) however the status of the new templates & 
extension website is a bit unclear to me. The code may be on github but it is 
not deployed here on our own infrastructure . You asked for feedback multiple 
times and I understand you are still waiting for an actual visual template (aka 
a skin or perhaps more). Do you have a roadmap for that? Should we see for a 
tender to have a designer adapt the new platform to a nice visual experience? 
Clearly the current one is lagging and is outdated in its design as well as in 
its delivery mechanism and we cannot wait a few more years. 

Thank you again for your efforts,

Charles. 
>
>Kind regards,
>Andreas
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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Andreas Mantke]

Am 13.08.2016 um 16:31 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Hi Andreas,
>
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 13-08-16 11:10:
(...)
>>
>> I think that I already provided this information many times: no.
>> But in my opinion we need a frequent cleanup of the new website. Maybe
>> all extensions that aren't tested with the latest four main releases
>> should be hidden or (much better) removed from the site.
> I'm not sure if that is needed. Speeking for myself: more then enough to
> do and there is no harm if the extension is there without explicit

the same here.

> testing on newer versions.

If they are not tested on newer LibreOffice versions the user is:
a) will be left on his own (no support from the extension developer and
the project)
b) will never find the extension, if he search for extensions that are
compatible with one of the current LibreOffice versions.

> A single action/button "update release for new LibreOffice version"
> would make it easier to do however.
Sorry if that sounds a bit harsch:
the code of the current environment and also the one of the upcomming is
open source under the GPL.
The code of the used add-ons is hosted on github.com and public.

Kind regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Andreas,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 13-08-16 11:10:

> Am 12.08.2016 um 23:10 schrieb Cor Nouws:

>> Again I was confronted with the weird red warning on top of one of my
>> extension. I know there is a way to get rid of that, but .. ?
> 
> yes, it is!
> E.g. you could test your extension with the two latest LibreOffice main
> versions from last year, add this information to the extension release,

So for my own record (finding how to do this is always hard)

1. in the left colum, choose 'releases'
2. in the middle column, pick the desired one
3. in the green function/tool bar choose Edit
   change version in the list more at the bottom
4. in the green function/tool bar choose the menu from State: Finale
release and choose Re-release.

> republish the release and the user of your extension are happy, because
> they know that this release could be used with the current versions of
> LIbreOffice.
> 
>>
>> How will that be in the new extension site?
> 
> I think that I already provided this information many times: no.
> But in my opinion we need a frequent cleanup of the new website. Maybe
> all extensions that aren't tested with the latest four main releases
> should be hidden or (much better) removed from the site.

I'm not sure if that is needed. Speeking for myself: more then enough to
do and there is no harm if the extension is there without explicit
testing on newer versions.
A single action/button "update release for new LibreOffice version"
would make it easier to do however.

Ciao - Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Andreas,



Le 13 août 2016 11:10:43 GMT+02:00, Andreas Mantke  a écrit :
>Hi,
>
>Am 12.08.2016 um 23:10 schrieb Cor Nouws:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Again I was confronted with the weird red warning on top of one of my
>> extension. I know there is a way to get rid of that, but .. ?
>
>yes, it is!
>E.g. you could test your extension with the two latest LibreOffice main
>versions from last year, add this information to the extension release,
>republish the release and the user of your extension are happy, because
>they know that this release could be used with the current versions of
>LIbreOffice.
>
>>
>> How will that be in the new extension site?
>
>I think that I already provided this information many times: no.
>But in my opinion we need a frequent cleanup of the new website. Maybe
>all extensions that aren't tested with the latest four main releases
>should be hidden or (much better) >removed from the site.

This prompts me another question : when do you think the extension and template 
website could be ready so that a designer can work on its look

Thanks,

Charles. 


>
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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi,

Am 12.08.2016 um 23:10 schrieb Cor Nouws:
> Hi,
>
> Again I was confronted with the weird red warning on top of one of my
> extension. I know there is a way to get rid of that, but .. ?

yes, it is!
E.g. you could test your extension with the two latest LibreOffice main
versions from last year, add this information to the extension release,
republish the release and the user of your extension are happy, because
they know that this release could be used with the current versions of
LIbreOffice.

>
> How will that be in the new extension site?

I think that I already provided this information many times: no.
But in my opinion we need a frequent cleanup of the new website. Maybe
all extensions that aren't tested with the latest four main releases
should be hidden or (much better) removed from the site.

Kind regards,
Andreas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Extension site sign-up

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Andreas,

On 8 avril 2015 19:49:19 CEST, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
Hello,

Am 08.04.2015 um 10:22 schrieb Paolo Pelloni:
 Hi, I got a request on asklibreoffice on how to sign-up for the
 extension site. 
 I have checked myself but I could only find a login page, a password
 reset and a registration form for submitting extensions. 
 If a user would like just to sign-up to rate extensions what is she
 supposed to do?
she could use the form and write in the explanation why she needs an
account that she wants to rate extensions.


An explanation?  I don't think we need that or else everybody will be put off 
by that. We could just have a sign up mechanism and that's it.

Best,

Charles. 


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Extension site sign-up

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello Charles,

Am 08.04.2015 um 20:25 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
 Hello Andreas,

 On 8 avril 2015 19:49:19 CEST, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hello,

 Am 08.04.2015 um 10:22 schrieb Paolo Pelloni:
 Hi, I got a request on asklibreoffice on how to sign-up for the
 extension site. 
 I have checked myself but I could only find a login page, a password
 reset and a registration form for submitting extensions. 
 If a user would like just to sign-up to rate extensions what is she
 supposed to do?
 she could use the form and write in the explanation why she needs an
 account that she wants to rate extensions.

 An explanation?  I don't think we need that or else everybody will be put off 
 by that. We could just have a sign up mechanism and that's it.

the explanation is very easy. We activated the default sign up mechanism
in the past, but we got about 600 or 700 accounts with no contribution
(robot accounts or the like) for each site. We had to manual clean up
both sites (extensions and templates) and that was a very tedious task
(three people worked on that over many days) (comparing lists and
deleting unused accounts).

The form at the bottom of the site is protected with a question-answer
proof and I could manage the requests.

If we need an additional solution I could create a second form for each
site, if people need an account to rate products.

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Extension site sign-up

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Andreas,

On 8 avril 2015 20:38:26 CEST, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
Hello Charles,

Am 08.04.2015 um 20:25 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
 Hello Andreas,

 On 8 avril 2015 19:49:19 CEST, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hello,

 Am 08.04.2015 um 10:22 schrieb Paolo Pelloni:
 Hi, I got a request on asklibreoffice on how to sign-up for the
 extension site. 
 I have checked myself but I could only find a login page, a
password
 reset and a registration form for submitting extensions. 
 If a user would like just to sign-up to rate extensions what is she
 supposed to do?
 she could use the form and write in the explanation why she needs an
 account that she wants to rate extensions.

 An explanation?  I don't think we need that or else everybody will be
put off by that. We could just have a sign up mechanism and that's it.

the explanation is very easy. We activated the default sign up
mechanism
in the past, but we got about 600 or 700 accounts with no contribution
(robot accounts or the like) for each site. We had to manual clean up
both sites (extensions and templates) and that was a very tedious task
(three people worked on that over many days) (comparing lists and
deleting unused accounts).

The form at the bottom of the site is protected with a question-answer
proof and I could manage the requests.

If we need an additional solution I could create a second form for each
site, if people need an account to rate products.


Then I misunderstood what you first wrote: I thought you wanted people to write 
about their reasons to request access. A captcha would fix this I guess?

Best,

Charles. 

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Extension site sign-up

[Andreas Mantke]

Hello Charles,

Am 08.04.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
 Hello Andreas,

 (...)

 Then I misunderstood what you first wrote: I thought you wanted people to 
 write about their reasons to request access. A captcha would fix this I guess?

I tried it but a captcha didn't help (only for a short time). Thus I
used a question-answer proof for the form. That seemed to work since
more than a year.

Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Extension site sign-up

[Charles-H. Schulz]

On 8 avril 2015 21:22:53 CEST, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
Hello Charles,

Am 08.04.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
 Hello Andreas,

 (...)

 Then I misunderstood what you first wrote: I thought you wanted
people to write about their reasons to request access. A captcha would
fix this I guess?

I tried it but a captcha didn't help (only for a short time). Thus I
used a question-answer proof for the form. That seemed to work since
more than a year.


Okay, if it works let's keep it on then :-)

Best,

Charles. 

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site rights

[Jonathan Aquilina]

On 8/11/11 3:54 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-08-11 15:14:

Hey Florian who should I poke so that might rights on my account can be
adjusted so I can review extensions


what is your username?

Florian


eagles051387 is my username :)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] extension site rights

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-08-11 15:55:

eagles051387 is my username :)


you now should have reviewer rights. Thanks for volunteering!

Florian

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