Re: [Wiki-research-l] Anonymous editing

[Andrew Lih]

This might be interesting, from Wikimania 2015

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_Effect_of_Blocking_IP_Editing:_Evidence_from_Wikia

Video here:

https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-92



On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:54 PM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello Kevin Crowston,
>
> THank you for the link. I have read your paper about the initial phase and
> profited very much from it.
>
> My personal opinion on UP editing, not backed by research: IP editing has
> negative social consequences for the community. This negative side is not
> quite visible when only looking quantitatively at huge data.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
> Kevin G Crowston  schrieb am Mi. 19. Sep. 2018 um 18:41:
>
> > Jonathan Cardy  > werespielchequ...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > In case I didn’t make it clear, I am very much of the camp that IP
> editing
> > is our lifeline, the way we recruit new members.
> >
> > Tangentially elated to this question, we have a forthcoming paper at the
> > CSCW conference about how research conclusions change when anonymous work
> > (e.g., IP editing) is taken into account. We looked at data from a
> citizen
> > science project. Short answer: it makes a difference.
> >
> > The paper isn’t up on the ACM DL yet, but you can see it here:
> > https://crowston.syr.edu/node/756
> >
> > Doing the study requires access to IP addresses for logged in users, so
> > someone at WMF would have to do the study for Wikipedia, which would be
> > really interesting and would speak to the question of whether IP editing
> is
> > a gateway to further editing.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Crowston
> > Associate Dean for Research, Distinguished Professor of Information
> Science
> > School of Information Studies
> >
> > +1 (315) 443.1676
> > crows...@syr.edu<mailto:crows...@syr.edu>
> >
> > 348 Hinds Hall, Syracuse, NY 13244
> > crowston.syr.edu <http://crowston.syr.edu/>
> >
> > Syracuse University
> > Most recent publication:  Kevin Crowston, Isabelle Fagnot. (2018). Stages
> > of motivation for contributing user-generated content: A theory and
> > empirical test. International Journal of Human-Computer Studies, 109,
> > 89-101,  doi: 10.1016/j.ijhcs.2017.08.005<
> > http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijhcs.2017.08.005> .
> >
> > Check out our new research coordination network on Work in the Age of
> > Intelligent Machine:  http://waim.network/
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Make Software: Change the world

[Andrew Lih]

Yes, I was an advisor for this project, and I’m glad it’s finally making
its debut! It’s been more than four years in the making, when it was
originally meant to be done in three.

A photo of the space:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Computer-history-museum-wikipedia-exhibit-space-1-20160506.jpg

Head curator, Marc Weber, and me:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Computer-history-museum-wikipedia-exhibit-space-marc-weber-20160506.jpg

As the opening approaches, I’ll make sure to let folks know about opening
events.

-Andrew


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Alexandre Hocquet <
alexandre.hocq...@univ-lorraine.fr> wrote:

> Dear Wiki-Research memebers,
>
> Apologies if this has been debated before : I came across that The
> Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA will be presenting a new
> exhibition from January on called "Make Software: Change the world" that
> focuses on seven "game changing applications" and among them : Wikipedia
>
> http://www.computerhistory.org/exhibits/makesoftware/
>
>
> Has somebody on the list worked with the project or is aware of how
> Wikipedia is presented in the exhibit ?
>
> Yours,
>
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[Wiki-research-l] WikiConference North America - Submissions deadline Aug 31

[Andrew Lih]

WikiConference North America 2016
7-10 October 2016, San Diego, CA, USA

SUBMISSIONS DEADLINE: August 31, 11:59pm Samoa Time!

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions

WikiConference North America (formerly WikiConference USA) is the third
annual conference on the North American continent devoted to Wikipedia and
other Wikimedia projects. The weekend will feature both academic and casual
presentations on Wikimedia-related outreach activities, workshops to
improve the skills of grassroots organizers, and discussions on the past,
present, and future of the Wikimedia projects. The conference features
offerings about community outreach, online activity, partnerships with
institutions of knowledge, and technology.

Keynote speakers are scheduled to include Katherine Maher, Executive
Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, and Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program
Officer of OCLC Research. The last day of the conference will feature
programming coinciding with Indigenous Peoples' Day.

Registration for the conference is now open.  You can register at
https://wikiconference.org.

Scholarships partially covering costs of travel and attendance are
available for active contributors to Wikimedia projects.  Apply by August
23rd for scholarships at https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Scholarships.

This is a volunteer run conference and volunteers are needed for any number
of tasks.  If you are attending, please consider volunteering for at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Volunteers.

We seek presentations addressing topics related to Wikipedia or open access
and culture. Presentations may be from any discipline regarding any
relevant topic. Please submit a description of your proposed presentation
using our online submission process at https://wikiconference.org/
wiki/Submissions.  If you are interested in participating in the
peer-reviewed academic track, see our call for academic submissions at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Call_for_Academic_Presentations.

- Sydney Poore (User:FloNight) and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
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[Wiki-research-l] Yahoo’s data set

[Andrew Lih]

There might be something Wikipedia-related in this data set, so just in
case, I thought the group might find this Yahoo Labs announcement
interesting:

http://yahoolabs.tumblr.com/post/137281912191/yahoo-releases-the-largest-ever-machine-learning

"Today, we are proud to announce the public release of the largest-ever
machine learning dataset to the research community. The dataset stands at a
massive ~110B events (13.5TB uncompressed) of anonymized user-news item
interaction data, collected by recording the user-news item interactions of
about 20M users from February 2015 to May 2015.”
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[Wiki-research-l] Editorial Bias in Crowd-Sourced Political Information

[Andrew Lih]

Anyone seen this work in PLOS One? Any insights?

Editorial Bias in Crowd-Sourced Political Information
Joshua L. Kalla,  Peter M. Aronow

"We report the results of four randomized field experiments that sought to
explore what biases exist in the political articles of [Wikipedia]." [1]

AP writeup: "Researchers then added the facts to senators' Wikipedia pages
and tracked whether they were removed." [2]

[1] http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0136327
[2]
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/capitol-hill-buzz-polishing-senators-images-wikipedia-33509230
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

[Andrew Lih]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> Anecdata, but: as someone who no longer posts to wikimedia-l, I
> stopped posting because I find it a fundamentally toxic place to be.


And related to this, when was the last time anyone recommended to a newbie:
subscribe to Wikimedia-L?

The WMF board of trustees election results (any hour now) will be
interesting, because it appears voter turnout was double the 2013 numbers
while most other indicators of participation in our community have been
flat.
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Release]

[Andrew Lih]

Great job.

Who knew Esperanto was big in Japan and China at #2 and #3?



On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> We've released a highly-aggregated dataset of readership data -
> specifically, data about where, geographically, traffic to each of our
> projects (and all of our projects) comes from. The data can be found
> at http://dx.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.1317408 - additionally, I've
> put together an exploration tool for it at
> https://ironholds.shinyapps.io/WhereInTheWorldIsWikipedia/
>
> Hope it's useful to people!
>
> --
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> Research Analyst
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

[Andrew Lih]

I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess.


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore 
wrote:
>
> I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will
> pass this article around.
>
> Sydney
> On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, "Andrew Lih"  wrote:
>
>> It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader
>> will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider
>> intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the
>> typewriter barf of "BLP, AGF, NOR" :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the
>>> individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I
>>> don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe
>>> naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community
>>> is not ideal.
>>>
>>> pundit
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond >> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes
>>>> to know how they are made.  It is not good to have negative publicity like
>>>> that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations
>>>> of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported,
>>>> neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded
>>>> organisation, public perception matters a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org]
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM
>>>> *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities
>>>> *Cc:* Kerry Raymond
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community
>>>> behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed
>>>> description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other,
>>>> this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully
>>>> pulpit to grind it in public.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>>> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre.
>>>>
>>>> Nemo
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
>>> autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>>>
>>> Recenzje
>>> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>>> Pacific Standard:
>>> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
>>> Motherboard:
>>> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)

[Andrew Lih]

It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will
make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider
intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the
typewriter barf of "BLP, AGF, NOR" :)


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
wrote:

> While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the
> individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I
> don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe
> naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community
> is not ideal.
>
> pundit
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond 
> wrote:
>>
>>  There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes
>> to know how they are made.  It is not good to have negative publicity like
>> that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations
>> of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported,
>> neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded
>> organisation, public perception matters a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM
>> *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities
>> *Cc:* Kerry Raymond
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community
>> behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
>>
>>
>>
>> I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed
>> description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other,
>> this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully
>> pulpit to grind it in public.
>>
>>
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre.
>>
>> Nemo
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> User:Jmorgan (WMF) 
>>
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> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> i centrum badawczego CROW
> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
>
> członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
>
> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>
> Recenzje
> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> Pacific Standard:
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

[Andrew Lih]

I wish we had the slides for this, but Jack Herrick of WikiHow presented at
Wikimania 2012 on the features put in to promote more community growth.

There is video, however! And the exact time code is here:

http://youtu.be/qI07vokWXBY?t=53m28s

Quick transcription of that section of Jack Herrick's talk:

"And sadly this problem seems to be getting worse. This is the famous
chart, I'm sure a lot of Wikipedians have seen this chart... the blue line
is the active wiki editors. It's been declining... it peaked in 2007. It's
been declining or flat ever since. And that graph is more or less the same
at WikiHow. We peaked in 2007... I have some theories about why 2007 was
the magic year for wikis, but I won't go into that here. I wasn't happy
with those results, so I spent the last three years trying to turn that
around."

Jack: People leave WikiHow not because they don't like it, but because
they've found somewhere more fun...
http://youtu.be/qI07vokWXBY?t=1h09m01s

Theories as to what happened in 2007 - Seigenthaler event and press.
Facebook came in 2008... "and we weren't keeping up"
http://youtu.be/qI07vokWXBY?t=1h10m50s

-Andrew


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Krystle  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:40 AM, Andrew Lih  wrote:
>
>> That said, I still feel the "Facebook/Twitter ate my community" angle
>> merits more analysis. The fact that all the major language Wikipedia
>> editions dropped in that same 2007 time frame, as well as WikiHow, is still
>> eyebrow-raising.
>>
>
> Andrew - Do you have a source for the wikiHow data? I've been with the
> project as part of the staff since it started and the community manager
> since 2010 and don't recall a 2007 drop. wikiHow started in 2005 and I
> think the community was still seeing growth at that time, though we only
> started tracking metrics in 2009. Our 5+ edits trend since then looks like
> this:
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Please don't republish this graph - the data here is rather shaky (issues
> like how [in]consistently it included user page edits or paid translator
> edits, there is room for a project here gathering more accurate historical
> data to compare apples to apples). It just gives a rough idea that's pretty
> consistent with my anecdotal impressions from having been involved with the
> community since it began.
>
> It's worth noting that in 2010 we started launching some on-ramping tools
> that made it much easier to get to the fifth edit. I.e. you could easily
> get to 5 edits with 5 clicks.
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

[Andrew Lih]

FYI, I'm wondering if anyone has compared Wikipedia's hyper growth until
2007 and subsequent slower rate of production to the phenomenon of music CD
sales in the 1980s/1990s​ that also surged then waned in a similar fashion.

If you examine the graph of global music sales revenue since 1980, it will
look familiar to those who study Wikipedia's new articles per year numbers.
[1] [2]

I noted this at a recent talk by Aram Sinnreich (Rutgers) who studies
digital downloads and whether online music piracy killed CD sales. The
conclusion was: no, piracy was not the major factor. The "format
replacement cycle" of the 1980s/1990s was responsible for an unusual
one-time surge, when people who owned vinyl or cassettes started re-buying
titles they already had, to get high quality and convenient CD-versions.
That "surge" was (erroneously) interpreted by the recording industry as the
natural long term trajectory of sales, and the resulting music sales
collapse has been falsely attributed to illegal downloads. Conclusion: the
music sales curve is in fact the sum of several curves that take into
account that one-time surge, how big box retailers priced their music,
sales of $0.99 singles and the advent of new technologies like streaming
services (Pandora, Spotify, etc).

Using this model, Wikipedia experienced the same "low hanging fruit" surge
in its early years. This is what Ed Chi (PARC/Google) considered the "catch
up" phase of Wikipedia [3], when we were cataloging "common knowledge," and
effectively replacing our "old" sources of info -- Britannica, Encarta, CIA
Factbook, US Census, public domain, et al -- with content that was easy to
input and energize new users.

If we accept this as a plausible model vs the standard "hype cycle" [4]
explanation of Wikipedia's rise/fall, we should look to other examples for
which this "replacement" dynamic holds for more clues about Wikipedia's
future. Phenomena we see in Wikipedia that affect community growth are
remnants, and perhaps relics, of that earlier era. We need to ask: are
policies adopted for 2007-era levels of hyper-participation that persist
today harmful to ongoing community dynamics? (ie. Request for Adminship,
restrictions on article creation, et al)

In what instances should Wikipedia lower its shields, so to speak, in
reaction to this new landscape? Do we as a community have the procedures or
culture to be agile in response to these changing conditions? The tension
between WMF R&D efforts and "the community" is a clear example of this
inability to reconcile change (eg. visual editor and media viewer
adoption). Not everything is gloomy, however. One could argue that the
willingness of Europe-based Wikipedia editions to allow corporate
representatives and "paid editors" to openly edit Wikipedia directly (an
absolute no-no in en.wp) is an example of flexible policy when faced with
the realities of long-term growth and maintainability. English Wikipedia
certainly seems more rigid in that sense.

That said, I still feel the "Facebook/Twitter ate my community" angle
merits more analysis. The fact that all the major language Wikipedia
editions dropped in that same 2007 time frame, as well as WikiHow, is still
eyebrow-raising. It certainly demands we consider external effects. If you
examine blogging activity during that same period, it dropped off a cliff
from 2006-2009. From Pew (2010): "Only 14% of teens ages 12-17 worked on
their own blog as of 2009, a drastic decrease since 2006, when twice as
many (28%) said they had done so. Millennials have also seen a decline in
blogging over the past couple years, from 20% in December 2008 to 18% in
May 2010." [5] Those 12-17 year olds are now 17-22 years old, exactly the
types of folks we'd like to get involved with Wikipedia. However, instead
of being weaned on MySpace HTML hacking on a laptop screens like previous
generation of "digital natives," they have grown up with slick WYSIWYG
Facebook and Twitter interactions on their mobile device. Imagine what they
think when they click "Edit" and see templates, info boxes and Wikimarkup
galore.

Don't stop at the "low hanging fruit" phenomenon. There are still lots of
interesting dynamics to consider.

PS: See what happens when your blogging activity drops off? You wind up
spending an hour on an email to Wikiresearch-L


[1]
http://mcpress.media-commons.org/piracycrusade/chapter-5-bubbles-and-storms-the-story-behind-the-numbers/the-perfect-bubble-1985-2000/
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwikipediagrowthcomparison.PNG
[3]
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~echi/papers/2009-WikiSym/wikipedia-slow-growth-ASC-PARC.pdf
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle
[5]
http://www.pewinternet.org/files/old-media/Files/Reports/2010/PIP_Generations_and_Tech10.pdf
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Inventory of articles with video?

[Andrew Lih]

Federico, thanks for the note and good idea on reaching out to the
Toolserver folks to help us track this.

As for the WebM and pros, from my understanding YouTube is transcoding all
videos that are uploaded into WebM format. However, I'd be very surprised
if even 2% of YouTube uploaders are using WebM as the format. Most likely
they are MP4, AVCHD, MOV, or even raw MTS files.

So perhaps it's more accurate to say WebM not used by video pros in their
workflow. I'll clarify in the document now.

In the meantime, check out some of the videos produced from our Feb/March
pilot with Alverno College.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video#Sample_Videos


-Andrew



On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Andrew Lih, 22/01/2013 20:54:
>
>  Laura, thanks for your insight into this. I also worried about the
>> generic "ogg" container and not knowing exactly whether it was audio or
>> video, without digging deeper into the metadata.
>>
>
> Now that we have WebM, how much do things change?
> An interesting thing IMHO is that pages with videos are much more
> prominent in Google results: it would be very nice if someone measured the
> impact on pageviews of adding a video on Wikipedia articles.
> As for measuring, the easiest way is probably to ask a list of user videos
> at 
> https://jira.toolserver.org/**browse/DBQ<https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/DBQ>and
>  add them to a tracking category. GLAMourous etc. may then be used to
> track stats.
>
>
>
>> Since there seems to be interest, here's a pointer to the video project
>> planning page and please do feel to add/markup/edit. The plan is to
>> execute a video gathering/production project in March/April.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Fuzheado/Video_project<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fuzheado/Video_project>
>>
>
> Good, I see it's going on. "WebM not used by video pros/tools" really?
> Does nobody upload to YouTube? Are they all on Vimeo or what?
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Inventory of articles with video?

[Andrew Lih]

Laura, thanks for your insight into this. I also worried about the generic
"ogg" container and not knowing exactly whether it was audio or video,
without digging deeper into the metadata.

Since there seems to be interest, here's a pointer to the video project
planning page and please do feel to add/markup/edit. The plan is to execute
a video gathering/production project in March/April.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fuzheado/Video_project

-Andrew



On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Laura Hale  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Ward Cunningham  wrote:
>
>>
>> Me too. Curiosity.
>>
>> On this list a few months ago I suggested that we should use wiki to
>> study wiki. I'm developing such a wiki, where one can create and share
>> results minded from recent dumps. My method excels where curiosity goes
>> beyond what has been already parsed.
>>
>
> On a sport level, I'd hazard a guess that Australia has more videos in use
> on their sporting related pages (or more videos of Australian sport are
> used on general pages) because unlike the United States, you cannot
> copyright an event.  Hence, you can make recordings at professional
> sporting matches without as much fear.
>
> Size limitations are a PITA though, which is why I personally haven't
> uploaded more.  If you have high quality video at 70 to 100 meg, and then
> you have metered internet with only 20 gigs a month, how much high quality
> video do you want to be uploading?  Hence yeah, the importance of meta data.
>
> I tend to use much smaller data sets.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HOPAU_at_London_Paralympics.pdfand
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IPC_NorAmCup.pdf are examples of
> contextualizing and understanding where content work around events works in
> order to give GLAMs an understanding of the impact of such undertakings,
> especially if they can contextualize it against their own internal data.
> It often isn't the single data collection that matters but contextualizing
> it against others.  (How does Wikipedia traffic compare around an event
> compared to say a news site?  Which one has further audience reach?  How
> does the total editor contributions compare to the total comments?)
>
> Sincerely,
> Laura Hale
>
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Inventory of articles with video?

[Andrew Lih]

Thanks Ward -- very useful! It would be interesting to run it again on a
recent dump and to find whether certain categories are getting better video
treatment, though the set

Fascinating that in about 2.5 years, the number of videos in that category
has not changed much.

By coincidence, I was looking at a 2009 blog post I had about Encarta and
Wikipedia's lack of video/multimedia.

"There is a loss to the world with the absence of Encarta’s historic images
[and video]. Because Wikipedia has a strict “free” edict on content,
especially images and multimedia, it will always be at a disadvantage in
having visuals that are unique and under copyright protection. For that,
the community will have to wait until copyright runs out on those
materials. Technology may be fast, but that’s one area that will be slow."

-Andrew



On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Ward Cunningham  wrote:

> Andrew -- Good question. I have an answer. It's a few years old. But if
> you like my method, I bring the data up to date.
>
> I used my exploratory parsing mechanism to look for [[File: ... ]] links
> to media files. I first ignored files with familiar suffixes like jpg, png,
> gif and pdf. This left lots of ogg and ogv files which I separated out as
> videos. This left a couple of oga files and some strange suffixes I didn't
> recognize like djvu, shivg and ext. I ignored them.
>
> All total I found 878 video files on 707 pages,  227 of which were flagged
> as "Articles containing video clips".
>
> I also looked for {{cite video ... }} templates and found 9,716 of them.
>
> I'm scraping this information from an  enwiki.xml dump file downloaded Sep
> 22, 2010. It was 12,162,183,168 bytes uncompressed and contained 2,598,517
> pages.
>
> I'm attaching a text file with one line for each page on which I found (at
> least) one video. The tab-separated columns are: page-title, media-file,
> clips-flag.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to adjust my methods if there are other ways to markup a
> video. I hope this is useful.
>
> Best regards. -- Ward
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Andrew Lih wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has done any research into identifying which
> articles in Wikipedia have associated video?
>
> There is this category, which only has 280 or so articles:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_containing_video_clips
>
> It seems far from complete. Appreciate any advice or previous work in this
> area.
>
> The background: I'm working with some grad students on staging a Wiki
> Makes Video contest in April, and we'd like to do some measurement of the
> current state of video in Wikipedia.
>
> Thanks, and email me if you'd like to know more about the video project
> for April.
>
> -Andrew
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[Wiki-research-l] Inventory of articles with video?

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has done any research into identifying which
articles in Wikipedia have associated video?

There is this category, which only has 280 or so articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_containing_video_clips

It seems far from complete. Appreciate any advice or previous work in this
area.

The background: I'm working with some grad students on staging a Wiki Makes
Video contest in April, and we'd like to do some measurement of the current
state of video in Wikipedia.

Thanks, and email me if you'd like to know more about the video project for
April.

-Andrew
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[Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia Weekly podcast w/Ed Chi, Felipe Ortega

[Andrew Lih]

FYI, thought Wikipedia researchers would find this interesting:

Wikipedia Weekly podcast interviews researchers Felipe Ortega and Ed
Chi about recent WSJ article re: volunteer departures
http://bit.ly/5aG6si

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