Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Cormac Lawler]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dirk Riehle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> >> I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing
> list about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >
> > thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though
> > this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'
> > there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by
> > extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
> >
>
> Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki
> stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!
>
> I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too.
> However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be
> generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two
> wiki research lists separate.


Yes, two lists can happily coexist. However, as a shared workspace, I'd
still like to have something that incorporates 'wiki-general' and
'Wikimedia-specific' research - and this can easily be started on
Wikiversity (and can also be expanded into overlapping areas like "open
educational resources", "online communities", "collaborative software
development" etc etc). The Wikiversity research portal is at <
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Research>, and it's really not very
good - we could start refactoring it, or developing a new page at, say, <
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Research/new> and merging them when we
get a good structure together.

Cormac
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[Piotr Konieczny]

Dirk Riehle wrote:

> Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki 
> stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!
> 
> I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too. 
> However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be 
> generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two 
> wiki research lists separate.

Indeed, I agree with that. A sublist of Wikipedia research is large 
enough and specialized enough to exist separately; hence - two lists 
make sense.

I wonder if there are any other non-Wikipedia sublists of wiki research 
that have emerged/are likely to emerge?

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Dirk Riehle]

>> I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list 
>> about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>
> thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though
> this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'
> there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by
> extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
>   

Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki 
stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!

I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too. 
However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be 
generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two 
wiki research lists separate.

Cheers,
Dirk

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Felipe Ortega]

Cormac Lawler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe 
was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base 
features) as a "one stop shop".
 

 Cormac

I agree with Phoebe and Cormac, Wikiversity could be a good place to start. 
But, as Cormac says, I'm thinking about a more complete solution, something 
like a "research planet", or more seriously, a research virtual community.
  
 Besides the useful tools for searching through bibliography, there could be 
repositories with graphs, analyses, results, maybe even some databases with 
useful info for research about Wikipedia, helping other people to avoid 
starting from zero.
 
 We could also have a forge (including SVN repositories for code projects, 
associated mailing lists, etc; the typical refinements) to develop research 
tools for Wikipedia, and also to create development/user/researcher communities 
around those projects.
 
 Along with these benefits, (and sorry for being repetitive) the most important 
advantage in my view would be to have a central, clear and bidirectional 
communication point between Wikimedia Foundation and other research communities 
all over the world.
 
 Of course, I also agree with Alain in that we should 
sindicate/mashup/collaborate with other wiki research spaces, starting with 
WikiSym. Perhaps, I'm proposing an augmented WikiForum, much in the same line, 
but including other cool enhancements.
 
 We at URJC are involved in a very similar experience, creating a complete info 
repository for the European Open Source Observatory. IMHO, we should commit to 
a complete repository for researchers on Wikipedia, for them to collaborate 
effectively. Potential sinergies are simply too good to reject the opportunity.
 
 Bests,
 
 Felipe.


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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Dirk Riehle]

Did you compare these hand-maintained lists with this:

http://www.bibsonomy.org/tag/wikipedia

While I'm a big fan of wikis and Wikipedia, obviously, sometimes
specialized applications with the right incentive system can
outperform a more general wiki-based approach.

My hunch is that Bibsonomy does that.

Dirk

On Feb 7, 2008 3:27 AM, Daniel Kinzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All
>
> As I'm currently working on my major thesis about extracting a multilingual
> thesaurus from wikipedia data, I have collected quite a bit of research
> resources about wikipedia. Here are a few links:
>
> * My Wikipedia Research link collection:
> http://del.icio.us/brightbyte/wikipedia%2Bresearch
> * Wikipedia tag on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/tag/wikipedia
> * Wikipedia group on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/group/382/library
> * My own wikipedia stuff there:
> http://www.citeulike.org/user/brightbyte/tag/wikipedia
> * Overview page for my thesis work: http://brightbyte.de/page/WikiWord
>
> I hope this will be useful to someone. I mainly focused on Wikipedia as a
> resource for linguistic and semantical analysis.
>
> As to having a central place to coordinate and discuss research: yes, that 
> would
> be great. Though I'm also not sure of the best form. A good bibliography 
> system
> would sure help, and wiki-style flexible creation of topic pages, and some 
> sort
> of discussion system, and perhaps a "planet" style aggregated news feed?
> Ideally, all this could be provided by a single system - I have discussed my
> dreams about a Bibliography Thing / research platform a few weeks ago here:
> http://brightbyte.de/page/The_Bibliography_Thing
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel Kinzler,
> aka Duesentrieb,
> aka BrightByte
>
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Felipe Ortega]

Cormac Lawler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
 Wikiversity would just not compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky 
search algorithms) - though we could import the meta page and start developing 
it as a part of a wider wiki research agenda. Wikiversity would be a good place 
for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more 
advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".

 

 Cormac

I agree with Phoebe, Wikiversity could be a good place to start. But, as Cormac 
says, I'm thinking about a more complete solution, something like a "research 
planet", or more seriously, a research virtual community.
  
 Besides the useful tools for searching through bibliography, there could be 
repositories with graphs, analyses, results, maybe even some databases with 
useful info for research about Wikipedia, helping other people to avoid 
starting from zero.
 
 We could also have a forge (including SVN repositories for code projects, 
associated mailing lists, etc; the typical refinements) to develop research 
tools for Wikipedia, and also to create development/user/researcher communities 
around those projects.
 
 Along with these benefits, (and sorry for being repetitive) the most important 
advantage in my view would be to have a central, clear and bidirectional 
communication point between Wikimedia Foundation and other research communities 
all over the world.
 
 Of course, I also agree with Alain in that we should 
sindicate/mashup/collaborate with other wiki research spaces, starting with 
WikiSym. Perhaps, I'm proposing an augmented WikiForum, much in the same line, 
but including other cool enhancements.
 
 We at URJC are involved in a very similar experience, creating a complete info 
repository for the European Open Source Observatory. IMHO, we should commit to 
a complete repository for researchers on Wikipedia, for them to collaborate 
effectively. Potential sinergies are simply too good to reject the opportunity.
 
 Bests,
 
 Felipe.


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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Desilets, Alain]

> thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though
> this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'
> there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by
> extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)

Yes, there is a lot of overlap. I subscribe to both lists. Just wanted
to point out that there was another one.

> I like the idea of Wikiversity as a centralized place because it's a
> stable wiki (wikimedia is committed to hosting it forever) but it also
> gets us away from the focus on just "wikipedia" research, even within
> the wikimedia community.

That would be a good place too.

Alain

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[phoebe ayers]

On Feb 7, 2008 6:55 AM, Desilets, Alain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list 
> about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though
this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'
there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by
extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)

I like the idea of Wikiversity as a centralized place because it's a
stable wiki (wikimedia is committed to hosting it forever) but it also
gets us away from the focus on just "wikipedia" research, even within
the wikimedia community.

-- phoebe

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Desilets, Alain]

Hello all,

I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list 
about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

There is also an annual conference called WikiSym, which is also about wiki 
research at large:

www.wikisym.org


It's a great conference (and I'm not just saying this because I chaired it last 
year ;-)) which will have its fourth instalment Sept 8-10 in Porto, Portugal. I 
encourage anyone who is into wiki research at large to consider publishing 
there.

Maybe WikiSym could have an open wiki space where people could post relevant 
content (ex: bibliographies). Dirk, does WikiSym have such a thing? If not, do 
you think it might be a good idea to have one?


Alain Désilets, MASc 
Agent de recherches/Research Officer 
Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / 
NRC Institute for Information Technology 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Tél/Tel (613) 990-2813 
Facsimile/télécopieur: (613) 952-7151 

Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal, 
Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 
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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Daniel Kinzler]

Andrew Krizhanovsky wrote:
> I think the aclwiki has potential to cover papers and software related 
> to Wiki and science.

While that wiki looks quite relevant for the type of wiki(pedia) research *I* am
doing (thanks for the link), I don't think it would be the right place for
general "Wikipedia studies". Wikipedia studies can be about the social and
psychological aspects of working on a wiki, or about technical issues, like
syntax-independent storage of wikitext or decentralizing wiki infrastructure,
among other things. So, a wiki focused on linguistics wouldn't be the right
place, IMHO.

-- Daniel

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Andrew Krizhanovsky]

Hi, All.

I think the aclwiki has potential to cover papers and software related 
to Wiki and science.

http://aclweb.org/aclwiki

Best regards,
Andrew Krizhanovsky.


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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Daniel Kinzler]

Hello All

As I'm currently working on my major thesis about extracting a multilingual
thesaurus from wikipedia data, I have collected quite a bit of research
resources about wikipedia. Here are a few links:

* My Wikipedia Research link collection:
http://del.icio.us/brightbyte/wikipedia%2Bresearch
* Wikipedia tag on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/tag/wikipedia
* Wikipedia group on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/group/382/library
* My own wikipedia stuff there:
http://www.citeulike.org/user/brightbyte/tag/wikipedia
* Overview page for my thesis work: http://brightbyte.de/page/WikiWord

I hope this will be useful to someone. I mainly focused on Wikipedia as a
resource for linguistic and semantical analysis.

As to having a central place to coordinate and discuss research: yes, that would
be great. Though I'm also not sure of the best form. A good bibliography system
would sure help, and wiki-style flexible creation of topic pages, and some sort
of discussion system, and perhaps a "planet" style aggregated news feed?
Ideally, all this could be provided by a single system - I have discussed my
dreams about a Bibliography Thing / research platform a few weeks ago here:
http://brightbyte.de/page/The_Bibliography_Thing


Regards,
Daniel Kinzler,
aka Duesentrieb,
aka BrightByte

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Marc Schwenzer]

Thank you Cormac!

I know of 4 lists, perhaps there are even some more:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedistik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies

http://bibliography.wikimedia.de/index.php
was another source that seems to be down by now

I guess first of all the overhead of keeping serveral lists /  
databases has to be reduced by linking all to the same page.  I think  
it won't matter then where it is located. Which is the most actual and  
sorted list?


Greetings

Marc

On 07.02.2008, at 10:03, Cormac Lawler wrote:




On Feb 7, 2008 5:10 AM, Piotr Konieczny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
phoebe ayers wrote:

> It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research
> studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?)
> since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and
> other wikis besides.

About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research  
at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies  
but

since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community
resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not  
have
such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to  
contribute to

that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it
benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other
wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never
disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over  
by

a significant community, etc.

There's a broader page on meta:  but the best wiki bibliography by far is at  which unfortunately seems to be down at the moment. Wikiversity  
would just not compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky search  
algorithms) - though we could import the meta page and start  
developing it as a part of a wider wiki research agenda. Wikiversity  
would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe  
was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other  
knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".


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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Cormac Lawler]

On Feb 7, 2008 5:10 AM, Piotr Konieczny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> phoebe ayers wrote:
>
> > It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research
> > studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?)
> > since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and
> > other wikis besides.
>
> About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies but
> since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community
> resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not have
> such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to contribute to
> that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it
> benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other
> wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never
> disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over by
> a significant community, etc.


There's a broader page on meta: <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography> but the best wiki
bibliography by far is at  which
unfortunately seems to be down at the moment. Wikiversity would just not
compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky search algorithms) - though we
could import the meta page and start developing it as a part of a wider wiki
research agenda. Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm
not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and
other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[Piotr Konieczny]

phoebe ayers wrote:

> It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research
> studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?)
> since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and
> other wikis besides. 

About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies but 
since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community 
resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not have 
such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to contribute to 
that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it 
benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other 
wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never 
disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over by 
a significant community, etc.

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research-Wiki

[phoebe ayers]

I talk to wiki researchers fairly often -- both people who are
involved in projects already documented onwiki and people starting up
new ones in universities, etc -- and I usually suggest that they use
wiki-research-l as a way to get feedback on their ideas. I'm often
told though that it doesn't seem very useful, because the list is so
low traffic! Seems like kind of a chicken-and-egg problem.

It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research
studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?)
since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and
other wikis besides. But a mailing list can also be helpful -- though
it seems like the main questions that gets asked and answered is "are
the wikipedia dumps up yet?" "anyone have one I can get?" etc. Maybe
we need a research FAQ! :)

-- phoebe

On Feb 6, 2008 5:35 AM, Marc Schwenzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Cormac, hi everbody
>
> I am new to this list and would appreciate sharing ideas / being part of
> such a research community.
>
> As far as I see there are allready several wikis that try to collect persons
> involved in research:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedistik
>
> and projects:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research/Research_Projects
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Marc Schwenzer
>
>
>
> On 06.02.2008, at 10:29, Cormac Lawler wrote:
>
> On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally
> > low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
>
>
>
> I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit
> more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who
> can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list
> is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd
> like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work
> and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but
> augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or
> space, I'd love to hear them...
>
> Cheers,
> Cormac
>
> [1] English Wikiversity:  ; Multilingual portal
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