[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: RES: Re: Participating without officially registered/published monument list?

[Platonides]

You will need a list of what monuments to photograph

This list *should* come from a somewhat authoritative source, like the
government, some museum... not made up by the wikimedians or that random
youtuber.

In fact, I would say that many lists used by WLM organizers are not 1:1
mappings to the "official lists": they may join multiple lists, remove
monuments that cannot be legally photographed...

The local organizers may use a different criteria for local winners than
for photos going to the International Contest, and that is fine. A typical
case is related to sponsors some specific prize (e.g. suppose Nikon had a
branch in St. Eustatius that provides a prize to the best photo with one of
their cameras). You may also have rules about not giving more than one
prize to the same person, etc. It is not uncommon that not all monuments
participate in both local and international competition (e.g. you have two
lists for the local competition, but only monuments in one of them is used
for the International contest).
You need to define, and transmit clearly what your rules will be, but other
than that, that is really no issue. You still have enough time to write it
down before the competition begins.

The international jury will generally not interfere with your decisions of
what should be forwarded and whatnot. I guess they might if a local team
had a crazy proposal, but people there is usually reasonable :)

And of course, the list itself of monuments to photograph should be public.
Ideally you would talk with St Eustatuis government (?) to get permission
to use and publish that unofficial and unpublished so far list for your
competition.

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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Platonides]

Congratulations, WLM-UA team. That's a shocking achievement, given the
current situation that Ukraine is going through!

May 2023 be a *much* happier year for Ukraine, with all the other countries
having to suffer their participants no longer having more pressing concerns
than snapping beautiful pics.
(I'm sadly aware the war consequences are unlikely to disappear so easily,
but one may dream...)

Love,
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: New members for the WLM-i team!

[Platonides]

Welcome to both!

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 19:53, effe iets anders 
wrote:

> Welcome Lucy and Rubén! Glad to see you both join :)
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:44 AM Ciell Wikipedia <
> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> It is my pleasure to introduce to you Lucy and Rubén, two members that
>> recently joined our WLM-international team.
>>
>> Lucy Iwuala is from Nigeria and joined the Wikimedia movement only
>> recently, but has already done her part for Wiki Loves Africa and Wiki
>> Loves Earth. She has organized photo walks for the Wiki Fan Club for the
>> Igbo Wikimedians UG, and helped out with preparations for the international
>> jury in Wiki Loves Africa. She will be helping with the Social Media for
>> Wiki Loves Monuments. Lucy is a big fan of Twitter, which she uses for
>> communicating Wikimedia-related Igbo initiatives, and is also on Facebook
>> and Instagram.
>>
>> Rubén Ojeda is a Wikimedian from Spain. You may have heard his name
>> before, as he has several years of experience as the project-lead of Wiki
>> Loves Monuments in Spain for the Wikimedia España chapter. Rubén will join
>> the international team in his volunteer capacity, and will help out with
>> all sorts of tasks for Wiki Loves Monuments-i.
>>
>> Both Lucy and Rubén will need some time to onboard the team and get
>> familiar with all the tasks ahead, but at least now if you see their names
>> popup somewhere, you know who they are. :))
>>
>> Best,
>> Ciell
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: banner diet

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Great point, Lodewijk

We should ideally be able to measure the relationship between sitenotice
and contributors. And, if we currently don't have enough data for that,
design WLM in such a way we will be able to measure that so it can be used
for future contests.

There is probably a chain of # banner impressions → # visits to contest
page → # users actually paying attention → # users participating

While the absolute number of visits to the contest page coming from
sitenotice should be relatively simple to count, the number of people that
viewed will depend on the campaign configuration and the presence of other
campaigns at the same time (e.g. fundraising), plus on the actual traffic
received from that country (probably complicated, but could be calculated)
*plus* the actual configuration of the user hiding the banner or the diet
restricting the number of times it is shown per device.

Then, we have an additional handicap that our reaction won't be
immediate.Users are unlikely to have photos of designated Monuments without
an image sitting on their computer ready to be uploaded. If a user is going
to actually find a suitable nearby monument in the list, plan a trip with
its camera (next weekend, perhaps?), actually go out and shoot it, come
back, locally review their photos, select good ones and upload them... It
will take several days, so the effect of the impressions won't be clear.
Furthermore, repeated impressions may be needed to remind them that they
intended to actually tak some photos.
Whereas most people will simply think "Oh, nice project" and let other
people do that work, without wishing to be bothered any more about WLM.

I don't think we actually have the resources to properly measure this, with
all its variables. Perhaps we could recruit some help from the Analytics /
Product Analytics teams?

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Commons app WLM integration - help needed

[Platonides]

I think this would need a property mapping a contest with the used
identifiers (basically, that table but in wikidata form).
So for instance,"Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 Sweden" could be defined as
including the "listed building in Sweden (Q328070)" and the "listed
historical ship in Sweden (Q16501309)", which use P1260 and P2317
identifiers respectively (whereas a few years earlier, maybe only Q328070
were included).

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Next year: my role

[Platonides]

Thanks Lodewijk for yourhard and tireless work on WLM for so many years.
I remember when we started WLM internationally. It was just an idea,
something that had been done in the Netherlands last year, a crazy idea to
expand it as an international contest. And see it nowadays, it's almost
taken for granted that there will be a WLM in September (a trap in itself,
participation in further years is easier than the first one, but still,
there's a lot of work!).

Thanks again Lodewijk, and looking forward for the new team
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Learning pattern from one of our national jury member

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Hello Bodhisattwa

I'm not convinced Montage should be *the* communications platform for the
jurors. Actually, I think that having each juror point the images
independently at first is a good thing, as it avoids potential bias based
on other jurors points.
Seems that your national competition used a direct output of the top-10
images as rated by every juror combined, rather than e.g. take the
resulting top-20 and then have the jurors discuss the merits of each one to
make them into a top-10.

Finally, I am a bit concerned about your scenario of a jury member which
«does not want to join calls or does not want to communicate through other
private channels» and «so that communication does not depend on the will of
organizing team or jury team members.». If a jury member reject to
communicate with other jury members, that's a social problem, not a
technical one.
You could make it easier to find all the tools needed (such as adding a
link to the mailing list from montage), and it can be quite hard to get a
suitable time to get everyone online. In that case asynchronous
communication (like mailing lists) may be needed. But ultimately, your jury
members should be willing to communicate with each other. And the
expectation of that they should do so, and may need to perhaps join X
online meetings, should be clear from the start.

What makes you think that someone who refused communicating with other
members would however be willing to communicate with them if done through
montage?

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Announcement of WLM International Winners

[Platonides]

Oh, of course!
One would think that the detailed explanation of Mohammad should have been
enough so that everyone would come up with the right table at first try. I
failed.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Announcement of WLM International Winners

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Thanks to this year the WLM International team!

I had some trouble figuring out the time for each one, from remembering
that 12 a.m. means midnight to not missing any event. So here is the table
I drated for the convenience of everyone else.

00:00 #25
00:30 #24
01:00 #23
01:30 #22
02:00 #21
02:30 #20
03:00 #19
03:30 #18
04:00 #17
04:30 #16
05:00 #15

08:30 #14
09:00 #13
09:30 #12
10:00 #11
10:30 #10
11:00 #9
11:30 #8
12:00 #7
12:30 #6
13:00 #5
13:30 #4
14:00 #3
14:30 #2
15:00 #1


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] a peculiar problem with the "newly uploaded" condition

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If the new image is exactly the same as the one we had, it makes sense to
delete one, yes. And usually you would remove the last one to be uploaded.
For instance some people may be using of the images with the old name. We
could delete them but place a redirect to the other copy, that seems a good
compromise. Or even merge both copies at the old name, so the uploader
appears in the history.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] permission for contributions

[Platonides]

An experienced user may use a different upload form, as long as the image
ends up with the appropriate template.
At least, that's what I have always done where i am involved:
- Let the rules say that the images must use a free license such as *X, Y,
Z...* but explicitly allow any license accepted in Commons.
- Suggest using the WLM upload campaign, but document that they may use a
different as ong as they use {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2019|country-code}}.
- Put the burden on the uploader to ensure that they are using the right
identifier but otherwise allow that it gets fixed by someone else.

By focusing the rules on the result instead of the how we avoid needing to
verify *how* it was done, and only the final result is needed. It also
allows advanced users to use other means, such as uploading using Commonist.

Other country contests may -perhaps inadvertently- have set more strict
rules, though.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The upcoming couple of weeks

[Platonides]

Have you checked that you can publish those photos on instagram?

4. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on
or through the Service or otherwise have the right to grant the rights and
licenses set forth in these Terms of Use;

1. Instagram does not claim ownership of any Content that you post on or
through the Service. Instead, you hereby grant to Instagram a
non-exclusive, fully paid and royalty-free, transferable, sub-licensable,
worldwide license to use the Content that you post on or through the
Service, subject to the Service's Privacy Policy, available here
http://instagram.com/legal/privacy/, including but not limited to sections
3 ("Sharing of Your Information"), 4 ("How We Store Your Information"), and
5 ("Your Choices About Your Information").

https://help.instagram.com/478745558852511


The rights they request may be a subset of those already granted by the
copyright author in the chosen license... but I wouldn't be surprised if
there was actually a legal conflict of their terms, which would preclude
third parties from posting them there (eg. instagram dropping the link to
the license).


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] checking commons uploads for malfunctions

[Platonides]

Hello Lodewijk

Here is the list of the 13401 images uploaded yesterday that don't
include {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2017}} (and were not flagged as bot):
 https://archivos.wikimedia.es/wikimedia/es/wlm/non-wlm-uploads_20170902.html

For the record, there were 7332 uploads (7451 including bots) that did
embed {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2017}} template.

I don't know who would volunteer to review them, but if there's
interest, a tool could be done to provide such lists.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] maps for Wiki Loves Monuments 2017

[Platonides]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Cristian Cenci  wrote:

> Have you zoomed until a "very close" level?
> Cause I see monuments in Italy starting from a sub-regional level.
>
> Cristian
>

You are right!
You need to zoom in a lot in order for them to be loaded. Then you can zoom
out and they are still shown even at the full-globe level.
It's probably related to not being able to load too many monuments at once,
but it is confusing. :/
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] maps for Wiki Loves Monuments 2017

[Platonides]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <marti...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Platonides <platoni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  However, what surprised me is that got to the map doesn't show any
>> monument :(
>>
>
> This requires to add monuments to Wikidata:
>

The "go to the map" link shows no monument at all. Nothing on Ireland,
nothing on Latvia... whereas browsing differently, they are included.
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] maps for Wiki Loves Monuments 2017

[Platonides]

Wow, that's really nice.

Great work, Slaporte and yarl!

I guess the "browse countries" and "more countries soon" text will become a
link shortly. However, what surprised me is that got to the map doesn't
show any monument :(


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Searching for uploads

[Platonides]

Rebecca O'Neill wrote:

Hi all,

We've just realised that some of the upload links on our Irish WLM
website are broken, and we're not sure how long they have been like
that. Is there any way to search Wiki Commons for content uploaded from
Ireland over the past 3 weeks, to see if there are any users that we
should contact about photographs that should be included in WLM?

Thanks!
Rebecca


No. You can't search uploaded files by user geolocation.
(Technically, it might be possible to cross the info from several logs 
to get it, but (a) it'd be complex to perform and (b) I'm pretty sure 
such request would be rejected)


Where did your broken links point to?


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Good practice: thank you for your uploads message

[Platonides]

A gadget that allows leaving such kind of message with one-click might 
be better, as it would allow leaving a more suited message.
If someone uploads the first google image result for "monument X", he 
shouldn't get a "Thanks for uploading", he needs guidance "We appreciate 
your effort in contributing to WLM 2016, but photos taken from the 
internet…"


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Country wise stats for WLM

[Platonides]

On 01/09/16 22:07, Jean-Frédéric wrote:


Please help in making sure the config data at
 is correct!



Oh, cool!

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] UNESCO is promoting Wiki Loves Monuments in 2016!

[Platonides]

On 07/09/16 16:32, john cummings wrote:

Dear all

As mentioned UNESCO is going to be promoting WLM throughout September
with a new post each day featuring a different country, we will be
sharing them in 5 of the 6 UN languages (all except Chinese).  I hope
that this can help WLM reach a wider audience with more people taking part.

We would really appreciate your help by resharing the posts in the most
suitable language for your country each day, you can get a full list of
all the UNESCO social media accounts here.


I thought this meant you would be publishing the same entry on all the 
languages. However, after looking at the facebook and twitter accounts 
for those 5 languages, I only see a WLM post in English


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Special Prizes in Austria on the "Day of the Monument"

[Platonides]

On 07/09/16 23:06, bepp...@gmx.at wrote:

Hello to all countries participating in WLM!
Congratulations to you for the successful start of Wiki Loves Monuments
in 2016.
In Austria we don't have the opportunity to run a full WLM competition
this year, because we already have pictures of 96 percent of the
monuments in the cultural heritage of our country. We almost completed
the lists of 37.000 protected monuments and many people say, we have
reached our goal and should try other things.
To maintain the idea of WLM (and our lists of monuments) we have a
little photo competition with special prizes around the Austrian "Day of
the Monument" in cooperation with the Federal Office for the Monuments.
The motto for this year's special prizes is "on the way together". We
hope to get photos of protected railroad infrastructure for example the
Semmeringbahn, mentioned on the UNESCO World Heritage List, and old
buildings on traditional roads.
I hope we can join the international WLM-Community again with another
one month photo competition next year.
Kind regards from
Beppo
(former WLM coordinator in Austria)


That's a happy reason not to participate, Beppo :)

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo eligibility

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FWIW, in Spain we made our rules to say:

* The photos can be published using the [[Wiki Loves Monuments Upload 
Wizard]], designed to help in the participation on this contest.


* Those uploading their photos not using this wizard must indicate their 
participation manuall adding the code  {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2016|xy}} 
to the image page.



Also, a similarly designed point is:

* It is the participant responsibility to ensure that the photos are 
tagged with a valid identifier…
(ie. if they didn't put the right identifier but someone else did for 
them, that's ok, but they shall not rely on it)


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Preparing instruction materials

[Platonides]

Hello Yan

A few years ago I produced
http://wikilm.es/es/Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Primeros_pasos where I attempted
to explain it step-by-step in an almost foolproof way.

It's in Spanish and the screenshots are for that year campaign but you may
find it useful. Also, as it is a wiki, you can easily copy the wikitext.

Best
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Installing wlxjury

[Platonides]

Hello Ilya

Thanks for the info. The manual user creation is no problem... now I am
aware of the trap ☺

I am a bit surprised about the java default, but will try setting it
manually.

How should the application be run instead? I thought you needed to use 'sbt
run'.


FWIW, here is the Dockerfile I am using:
FROM debian:jessie
RUN echo deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main >
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.
list && apt-get update
RUN apt-get install -y openjdk-8-jre # From jessie-backports
RUN apt-get install -y scala git

RUN echo deb http://dl.bintray.com/sbt/debian / >
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/sbt.list && \
 apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv
2EE0EA64E40A89B84B2DF73499E82A75642AC8
23 && \
 sed -i 's/^/#/' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy && \
 apt-get update && apt-get install -y sbt

RUN useradd -m wlxjury
RUN chown wlxjury /opt
RUN su -c "cd /opt && git clone https://github.com/intracer/wlxjury && \
  cd wlxjury && sbt" wlxjury

EXPOSE 8080 # port set in application.conf
CMD ["su", "-c", "sbt run", "wlxjury"]


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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Installing wlxjury

[Platonides]

Hello Ilya

I have been working to install a local test instance of wlxjury. I more or
less configured it (not all things are clear, and for greater confusion,
there are two different configuration files: application.ini
and application.conf), but it failed with an OutOfMemoryError at the first
request (see log below). Any idea?

Regarding the configuration, what is the commons.user for?
Should the database be initialised in any way, or does it do it
automatically?

Best


(...)
[SUCCESSFUL ] org.scala-sbt#test-agent;0.13.12!test-agent.jar (1685ms)
downloading
https://repo.typesafe.com/typesafe/ivy-releases/org.scala-sbt/apply-macro/0.13.12/jars/apply-macro.jar
...
[SUCCESSFUL ] org.scala-sbt#apply-macro;0.13.12!apply-macro.jar (1722ms)
:: retrieving :: org.scala-sbt#boot-app
confs: [default]
49 artifacts copied, 0 already retrieved (17462kB/27ms)
sbt appears to be exiting abnormally.
  The log file for this session is at /tmp/sbt7109374493874656189.log
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded
at java.io.UnixFileSystem.resolve(UnixFileSystem.java:108)
at java.io.File.(File.java:367)
at sbt.FilterFiles$$anonfun$handleFile$1.apply(Path.scala:204)
at sbt.FilterFiles$$anonfun$handleFile$1.apply(Path.scala:203)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
at sbt.FilterFiles.handleFile(Path.scala:203)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder.sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant(Path.scala:215)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:217)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:216)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder.sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant(Path.scala:216)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:217)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:216)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder.sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant(Path.scala:216)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:217)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:216)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder.sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant(Path.scala:216)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:217)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:216)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder.sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant(Path.scala:216)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:217)
at
sbt.DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$anonfun$sbt$DescendantOrSelfPathFinder$$handleFileDescendant$1.apply(Path.scala:216)
at
scala.collection.IndexedSeqOptimized$class.foreach(IndexedSeqOptimized.scala:33)
at scala.collection.mutable.ArrayOps$ofRef.foreach(ArrayOps.scala:108)
Error during sbt execution: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Old dump of the bot database?

[Platonides]

On 30/10/15 11:56, Sylvain Machefert wrote:

Hello all,
we have a price in France for newly illustrated monuments but
unfortunately we have forgotten to make a copy of the database dump
before the competition starts this year. And as the monument database
dump ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Sql
) is overwritten every day we can't get old databases :(

So is there any chance someone there has kept a copy of the database
dump from 31st August?

Thanks,
Sylvain


It could be recreated from the wiki pages it was built from.

However, I'm unsure that you really need that. You can -with a little 
effort- match the images for a given monument ID with its upload time.



Best


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Per-monument statistics?

[Platonides]

On 28/10/15 21:54, Ynhockey wrote:

Hi all,

I remember that in 2012 there was a tool that showed how much each
monument was photographed and other very important statistics about WLM.
I believe it was developed by Platonides, but don't remember for sure.

Does anyone use such a tool recently, or know how to get such statistics?


Yes, that was my tool, Ynhockey, running on the toolserver.

I was going to attempt running it again this year, but didn't have much 
time and there were some issues with the bot approval:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bots/Requests/Wiki-Bot

Regards

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Bug in wikilovesmonuments.wikimedia.it

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El 22/08/15 20:34, Ricordisamoa escribió:

Without cookies enabled, it keeps refreshing again and again.
FIX it ASAP! (I hope no one got paid for it)


sThe page works for me with cookies disabled./s¹ The cookie warning 
is undismissable, though.
rantI don't like how websites tend to say you can block the cookie 
with your browser settings, but then that translates to we will show 
you an annoying banner every time./rant


Given that you use wordpress_test_cookie, and consider it a technical 
cookie, you could set it and not show the banner if it's not set and the 
referer is your own page. In addition of allowing to dismiss the banner 
without reloading the page.


The last 2 rows of the 
http://wikilovesmonuments.wikimedia.it/cookie-policy/ table seem wrong, btw.



¹ Turns out it sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't, on multiple pages.

Cool page, though.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Platonides]

On 20/08/15 12:01, attolippip wrote:

Is it possible then to have WLM 2015 in Italy during October?
It means that the international results are to be known later, but well,
maybe it is worth it?

Best regards,
antanana
ED of Wikimedia Ukraine


Please note that when other years some countries participated later, 
that didn't move the dates for the international contest. They had less 
time for (eg. if it was Sep 15 to Oct 15, the jury had only half month 
to review everything). And in other country only the photos uploaded in 
September counted for the international contest.


Yes, all these conditionals are difficult to communicate, explain and 
justify. Both for participants and partners. Upload in September, 
anywhere was much much simple ☹



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Fwd: Fwd: WLM and Other photo events Evaluation Reports 2015: join the conversation!

[Platonides]

On 06/05/15 17:16, Jeremy Baron wrote:

On May 6, 2015 11:13, Maria Cruz wrote:
  FYI, this presentation is taking place now. You can join the
conversation here:
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYckORFtCDFaa6CVFEjAt9L84aEzZkKmb-DcDV1OtamoRfq2bw?authuser=0eid=117126229120807344920hl=en

what's the Youtube URL?


The video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN3TN4wrFZs

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Calendar for 2015

[Platonides]

On Ynhockey wrote:

For example, like this: http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/create.html
- I am not sure if there's a freely licensed version of this anywhere at
the moment. I'll check what else we can do about this.

—Yan (Ynhockey).


A calendar generator shouldn't be hard. The tedious part would be to 
fill the festivities database for all those countries and regions.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help with members for a Jury

[Platonides]

On 08/01/15 11:25, Nkansah Rexford wrote:

In 2012, there was a tool used to sort and select images out of a
category. I hope a tool of that sort still exists.


It was in the toolserver, which disappeared ~6 months ago.
I can prepare a small dump for you, though. Which category are you 
interested in? I guess you want the images in full resolution?


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help with members for a Jury

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On 14/01/15 00:50, Nkansah Rexford wrote:

Thanks. We'll really love it if you help get it up and running for us.

The category is:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Africa_2014_in_Ghana

As regards resolution, a 1080x720 will be great. Upon picking the ones
interested, we can hunt for their full res later.


It's actually easier to grab the full res one, so unless there are disk 
space problems I would prefer to grab that.


However, the category in full full resolution seems to be 2.89 GB 
(3104994343 bytes), which you may consider too much.


Regards


[1] SELECT SUM(img_size) FROM categorylinks JOIN page ON (cl_from = 
page_id AND page_namespace = 6) JOIN image ON (img_name = page_title) 
WHERE cl_to='Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Africa_2014_in_Ghana';



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help with members for a Jury

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

 The UK jury, of three, looked through around 500 images (cut down from the
 original 7000 submissions).  That's not too much work for them provided
 they are all experienced with image evaluation and have the images
 downloaded so that they can use efficient rating software such as Adobe
 Lightroom.

 Michael


+1
I don't think it's so important to trim such list before providing to the
jury.
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help to find tools

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On 06/05/14 12:40, Fhaidel Domínguez wrote:

Hi everybody,

Does anybody know any tool to get a list of deleted images under a
category in commons,


You can't. Once a page is deleted, it no longer belongs to any category. 
If you know a time frame you could check (categorylinks) on an old dump 
for images that were in that category, and then filter out those who 
still exist.




and any other tool to get a list of a category
users details such as user name and registration date?

I'm appointing to get some management tasks and internal metrics for
Wikiviajes por Venezuela 2014 a photo contest run by Wikimedia
Venezuela currently.

This is the category:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikiviajes_por_Venezuela_2014


Assuming you want the user that uploaded the first version of each of 
the images on that category, what you want is:

SELECT DISTINCT user_name, user_registration FROM categorylinks LEFT JOIN 
logging ON (log_page = cl_from AND log_type='upload' and log_action='upload') 
LEFT JOIN user ON (user_id = log_user) WHERE cl_to 
='Wikiviajes_por_Venezuela_2014';


I've left the list of 398 users at 
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/sandbox/Usuarios-Wikiviajes_por_Venezuela_2014-2014051120.txt


As expected, most are new users:

2014370 92.9648% (1 in March, 187 in April, 182 in May)
20136   1.50754%
20126   1.50754%
20113   0.753769%
20106   1.50754%
20092   0.502513%
20082   0.502513%
20071   0.251256%
20062   0.502513%



Fun fact: you are the second oldest participant. ☺



Any help is appreciated,

Thanks,


You're welcome

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Participants' Survey: What can we learn from it?

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Estermann Beat wrote:

Dear Lodewijk, dear all,

I’ve updated the questionnaire:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014/Participants%27_Survey/Questionnaire

I think it would be possible to adapt it in a way to make exactly the
same version fit both WLM and WLE (I could take care of this, if needed).


(...)


I’m happy to give support and advice where I am able to do so; for the
rest, I will focus on the analysis of the 2013 survey data.

Cheers,

Beat


Hello Beat,
I just found this proposal while reviewing old unread mail, and seems 
very interesting.


This would basically simply need the variables {{contest}}, {{year}}, 
{{previous year}}, {{previous month}}, {{coordinating team}} and {{team 
signature}}, plus the country list and run the same survey on any contest.
The cool thing is that we could perform a blind replacement on the 
translations we currently have and it _should_ work.


This kind of usage assumes that on all languages the contest name will 
appear on the same part of the phrase (which is probably the case) and 
won't be differences like WLM and WLE having different genders.


Regards



PS: For the countries you added, we would need the languages: 
Portuguese, Khmer, Kurdish?, Greek, Latvian, Macedonian, Malagasy?


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help to find tools

[Platonides]

(English below)

On 12/05/14 00:06, Fhaidel Domínguez wrote:

:) ¡Gracias, Platonides!

Ya yo estaba pensando que no era posible, pero esa idea tuya es buena
para lo que busco:

El período que quisiera revisar es del 1ero de abril al 31 de mayo de 2014

Ahora, si sé eso... ¿cómo puedo sacar ese volcado de las imágenes que
estuvieron en esa categoría? Con CatScan podría comparar después y sacar
el número así como tú dices.


Hay volcados de commons del  20140401, 20140421 y 20140508, lo que nos 
permite saber qué ficheros estaban en la categoría *en esa fecha*.

Pero no detectar un fichero añadido y eliminado en otra intermedia.

Si podemos ignorar las imágenes borradas (por ejemplo, porque no pueden 
participar), se podría escanear un volcado buscando todos los ficheros 
que tuvieron la plantilla en alguna revisión.


Sin embargo, si quisiéramos además incluir las borradas, habría que 
mirar los ficheros subidos y borrados en ese rango y comprobar todas y 
cada una de sus revisiones.



Para resolver este problema en WLM, lo que hacía era vigilar la 
categoría, registrando cada pocos minutos las imágenes que se iban 
añadiendo, resultando en una aproximación bastante buena. Pero 
lógicamente no podemos usar esta estrategia para las imágenes de hace un 
mes :(





La segunda pregunta es para sacar eso mismo que tienes en ese link.
¡Está perfecto!


Gracias :)


Y bueno, así son las cosas :) Pero para que conste en los registros, yo
no participo. Solo contribuyo como usuario. Lamentablemente, según las
bases, yo no puedo participar. :( Pero hay algo más interesante: el
usuario más antiguo ha sido de hecho el primer participante.

¡Muchas gracias!

Fhaidel.-




 English for the community 




Thanks Platonides,

I already was thinking it wasn't possible but your idea is good for what
I'm looking for:

I know the time frame I would like to check: Apr 1st - May 31st 2014

Now, if I know it... how can I get an old dump for images that were in
that category? Then, using CatScan I can compare and get the number in
the way you comment.


There are commonswiki dumps for dates 20140401, 20140421, 20140508. This 
allows to know which files where there *at that specific date*.

But not for a file added and removed at an intermediate date.

If you don't mind about deleted files (eg, they can't participate), you 
can scan a dump for all files that contained the template on any revision.


However, for including deleted files you would need to view the files 
uploaded and deleted in that timeframe and check each of their revisions‼



In order to solve this very same problem at WLM, what I did was to 
follow the category, registering every few minutes the images that were 
added, producing a quite good approximation. But we obviously can't do 
the same thing for images uploaded last month :/




My second question was looking for what you exactly got in your link.
That's great!


Thanks :)


And well... facts are facts :)  Just for the records, I'm not a
participant but  a contributor user. Sadly I'm not a participant
according to the contest rules. :(  But there's something more
interesting: the oldest user is in fact the first participant.

Thank you so much!

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 international?

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I do not plan to be in the international team in 2014. I may be able to 
give a hand here and there but I don't think I will be able to devote it 
the time it deserves.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Translation and the thank you message

[Platonides]

On 27/11/13 21:40, Teele Vaalma wrote:

I am sorry, is this the message to thank a person for filling the survey
or to remind him to fill it? It shouldn't do both, because if he has
already filled it, there is no need to remind. And if he hasn't filled
it, there is no reason to thank him for filling it.

Or am I silly and missing something?


We don't know if they filled it or not, so we send them a message 
thanking the filling if they did, and hey, if you are in the 80% which 
didn't fill out the survey, remember you can still do it.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thanks+survey talk page messages

[Platonides]

On 26/11/13 12:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

I noticed that the messages being sent to all participants are by
default in English:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM_2013_thank_you
We lack several translations (I noticed Italian), perhaps the template
should be converted to the Translate extension's page translation? Also,
why isn't it called with {{autotranslate}}, to save participants some
clicking?

Nemo


It *is* using autotranslate: 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WLM_2013_thank_youaction=edit


You can see it working for instance here 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pbvr?uselang=fr


The problem is that many translations are missing (quite more than what 
I expected!), and thus it is not translated to those languages.



The message has been sent to all wlm participants except those with no 
uploads left, waiting for a possible variation in the text given for them.


Note that you can advertise the survey on your websites, facebook, 
twitter...


Regards

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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Translation and the thank you message

[Platonides]

Although the Thank you messages on the talk pages are sent, we hitted a 
bug (49749) and those messages didn't trigger email notification. We 
will try to fix that.


While we work on that, we still miss many translations of that message, 
so this delay allows you to translate and let some hundreds of users to 
be thanked on their mother tongue.


There are still missing translations to Russian, German, Ukranian, 
Hebrew, Chinese, Czech, Swedish, Armenian, Serbian, Slovak, Estonian, 
Norwegian, Luxembourgish, Belarusian, Tamil, Portuguese, Esperandto, 
Afrikaans…


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM_2013_thank_you

Regards


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Please help translate the participant survey

[Platonides]

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote:

  Its outdated messages. Half of years in it is 2012.


The 2012-* messages don't need translation. They are only of historic
interest.

https://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlmsurvey/wlm2013.php is the setup.
 I think it even contains the right texts.

They contain the English texts, I may update the translations as they get
exported by translatewiki.

 Please note any replies will go into the trash right now :)
Replies as in “survey answers”, not “replies to this email thread” of
course. :)
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments Europeana WW1 related award

[Platonides]

El 04/11/13 11:36, Àlex Hinojo escribió:

Hi all,

I would like to know how many pics from this award category are coming
from each participant country

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WWI_related_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013


could someone help me on this? Is there any tool to calculate it?



select wlm_country, count(*) as count  from categorylinks  join 
u_platonides_wlm_p.wlm2013  ON (cl_from=wlm_page) where cl_type='file' 
and cl_to='WWI_related_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013' GROUP BY 
wlm_Country ;

+-+---+
| wlm_country | count |
+-+---+
| am  |37 |
| at  |35 |
| az  | 3 |
| be  |22 |
| ca  | 3 |
| cz  | 9 |
| de  |   159 |
| es  |11 |
| fr  |   216 |
| gb  |61 |
| hu  | 1 |
| il  | 2 |
| in  |39 |
| it  | 4 |
| jo  |16 |
| nl  |37 |
| pl  |   722 |
| ro  |   222 |
| rs  |19 |
| ru  |   214 |
| sk  |18 |
| ua  |54 |
| us  | 1 |
| uy  | 1 |
| za  |   385 |
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Trouble with one Ukrainian part winner

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On 02/11/13 10:49, rupert THURNER wrote:

To my knowledge, there was no such rule at least in the first wlm
competition in Switzerland. But it was clear at all points to the jury
not to select somebody s fathers picture. No rule can make up for a lack
of common sense and a certain sense of honor.

So, if you had a rule, i find your decision great. If there was no rule,
i d never overrule the jury. The international jury will need no rule to
not select this picture for any price, no matter how good it is.

To give another example we experienced where i would find a rule helpful:
A single person submits multiple excellent images. The jury did not see
the names when making the final decision and selected 3 images of this
person into the final set of images. At a national level  the jury
wanted to give only one price to the person, because at the end its a
peoples contest as well. there was a discussion how it would be possible
to leave it to the international jury which of the 3 they like most,
have 10 persons submitted, and give 10 prices to 10 persons on a
national level.

Rupert


Giving out 10 prizes to 10 people is easy: give the prizes to #11 and 
#12. The question on which of his photos should represent them on 
international level is much harder. Although you could as well submit 
his three photos but only provide one prize (hopefully not too 
controversial, but it would be desirable that your contest had a “only 
one prize per head” rule).


My POV on the original questions :
- Yes, I would consider “father” a family member.
- The local organization is the gate for the international level, so it 
can ban a photo from entering there (actually I find more problematic 
that it is sent to the international round than it being discarded).
- If the rules stated that no family members of the jury can 
participate, the jury decision was «buggy». Rejecting that photo and 
requesting a new result from the jury (typically just entering the next 
scored picture) is indeed the right thing to do.


If your chapter doesn't want a family member to win but your rules 
didn't state that, it would have been much shady decision, which is why 
I consider important that the rules are as detailed as possible, despite 
not really liking long legalese-like pages (promoting a summarised 
version ftw).


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Total number of pictures for 2013

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On 01/10/13 22:01, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

Platonides is able to provide more accurate results via the database, by
the way. Yesterday at European midnight we were a hundred or so above
2012, which however likely meant a bit less than 2012 considering
deletions and mistakes; Americas should have brought us a bit over that.
Sadly however, the number of uploaders has decreased (11904 uploaders
and 11914 authors, as of 0.50 CEST).

Nemo


The numbers right now are:
mysql select count(*) from wlm2013 where wlm_status = 'Participating';
+--+
| count(*) |
+--+
|   369335 |
+--+

There will be fluctuactions due to Israel, some bot migrations and 
people removing files from participating.




Kaew asked:

* fraction of ineligible/delete submission (after juries and
volunteers have gone through them)


972 files deleted.
3434 files removed from the competition (ie. no {{Wiki Loves Monumentes 
2013}} in the description page).



Those 4400 cases were at some point in the 2013 WLM category. There 
might be some more, undetected by the bot but they should be very few, 
the bot was polling very frequently.



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM content in Europeana portal

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On 24/09/13 09:07, Àlex Hinojo wrote:

Hi, as you may know Europeana has been sponsoring special categories
within Wiki Loves Monuments competitions since 2011, and have also run
the pilot project Wikipedia Loves Public Art. Europeana is now
interested in harvesting from Wikimedia Commons to Europeana the images
resulting from those projects, that this means the imported images will
be displayed as items in the portal and  in API-responses. A thumbnail
(max 200 px width) will be created and cached by Europeana but any
larger image displayed or linked to will be a link/hotlink. But one
doubt has been raised:

Europeana metadata is CC-O Licencsed but...what about Wikimedia Commons
metadata?  Images can be licensed separately (CC-BY-SA, CC-BY, PD...):
does the related metada keeps the same license for the metadata or the
metadata is considered CC-O ?


Commons descriptions are dual licensed under CC-BY-SA + GFDL.



Most of the metadata related with these
WLM pic is referred to public heritage lists information.


IMHO most of the descriptions will be ©-ineligible. But deciding if 
that's the case would need a human...




Following http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Welcome remains
unclear if Europeana needs to ask each individual Wikimedia Commons user
before doing the harvesting.


That would of course be the safest path legally-speaking.



Which would be the easiest way of doing it? What do you think about it?

Looking forward to your considerations.


I would consult Europeana lawyers.



Best,

Àlex Hinojo


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Jury Tool] Registration

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On 24/09/13 11:01, Samat wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
mailto:lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:


What is the country code for the international competition? Then I
can add the nominees as they come in :)


ideas: org / int ? :)


I have used 'int' in the WLM extension, so I recommend to go with it.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Jury Tool] Registration

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¡Gracias por tu labor con esta herramienta, David!

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Russia? (and other countries)

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On 21/09/13 15:53, Mykola Kozlenko wrote:

Hi Yaroslav and Maarten,

I've had a look at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Ukraine
, and I have found three different types of images blocking your bot:

* images with definitely wrong IDs, e.g.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AbDSC_1833.jpg

* images without any IDs, like
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukrainian_Anthem.jpg

* images with IDs starting with 99 - those participate in
partner-sponsored contests (e.g. Armenian monuments in Ukraine, Greek
monuments in Ukraine) but do not appear in the monument database as they
are not on the national heritage lists - e.g.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%86%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%27%D1%94%D1%80_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%83_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_2009%D1%80._%28%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81_1%29.JPG

Is there any way to sort them to separate categories based on these
criteria? This would greatly facilitate our work of sorting them out.



Sure, to which categories should each be moved?

When is an ID “definitely wrong”?

You only seem to have a few wrong identifiers, though:
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?country=uatype=bad

But ~400 with no id:
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?country=uatype=empty

These are the big chunk waiting to be categorized.

Finally, there are 18 images with an id starting with 99:

Інтер'єр_костелу_станом_на_травень_2009р._(ракурс_1).JPG
| Інтер'єр_костелу_станом_на_травень_2009р._(ракурс_2).JPG
| Костел_вірменський_1764р..JPG
| Інтер'єр_костелу_станом_на_травень_2009р._(ракурс_3).JPG
| Інтер'єр_костелу_станом_на_травень_2009р._(ракурс_4).JPG
| Belltower_of_St._Nicholas_Church._Kamianets-Podilskyi.JPG
| Church_of_St._Nicholas._Kamianets-Podilskyi.JPG
| Церква_Сурб_Геворг.JPG
| Церква_Сурб_Геворг_Миколаїв.JPG
| Церква_Сурб_Геворг_2.JPG
| Хачкар_біля_церкви_Сурб_Геворг_Миколаїв.JPG
| Церква_Сурб_Геворг_у_Миколаєві.JPG
| Церква_Сурб_Геворг._Архітектор_Попов_В.,_Миколаїв,.JPG
| Церковь_Сурб-Рипсиме..jpg
| The_Armenian_Church_of_St._Resurrection_in_Kharkiv_1.jpg
| The_Armenian_Church_of_St._Resurrection_in_Kharkiv_2.jpg
| The_Armenian_Church_of_St._Resurrection_in_Kharkiv_3.jpg
| The_cross-stone_of_Armenian_Church_of_St._Resurrection_in_Kharkiv.JPG



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] One picture participants

[Platonides]

On 23/09/13 21:51, Guillaume Goursat wrote:

Hello,
Some participants upload only one photo. Some of them don't know they
can upload a lot of pictures.

I think we can send them a message to be sure they know this rule (I
have already did it for Cameroon).

We can find these participants with emijrp's tool:
https://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wlm/stats.php

Guillaume


Alternatively, http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/users.php “by 
number of photos” and scroll to the bottom for people with just one photo.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tech question: 2 WLM templates of different country contests on same file

[Platonides]

On 16/09/13 16:35, Aleksey Chalabyan wrote:

Dear all, and especially those who provide us with tools for running WLM
contest.

If on same page we have 2 templates, from different country contest,
with different ID, do you think scripts/bot may run into issue?

Will those tools successfully process both of templates, assign
necessary categories, show up correctly in counters, voting tools, etc?

Example of such image is:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D4%B1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%AB_%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%B6%D6%84,_%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%B6%D6%84%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB%D5%B6_%D5%B0%D5%A1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%AC%D5%AB%D6%80_jpg

Thanks beforehand,
Xelgen


The tools at http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/ will consider 
only the first template.
Last year the database was designed to support a second country, but it 
was so exceptional that it wasn't implemented. I think we identified a 
single case of multicountry monumentness before the contest, plus 
perhaps a couple more found later for some rivers.


I can easily add detection of multiple countries, the trickiness starts 
when querying it, which not only results in more complex checks for the 
database, but it's not even clear how it should be defined: What should 
be the answer for How many images have am and az together? Should 
Ամարասի_վանք,_վանքային_համալիր_jpg be counted once (as for How many 
images are in total?) or be the sum of images of both countries?

How to count the number of countries in which a user did photos, etc.


If the problem is limited to monuments in Azerbaijan and Armenia 
contests, it may be simpler for the bot to detect that case and 
internally map those images to an am+az pseudo-country.



PS: I agree with Multichill, renaming a monument template (or adding new 
variants such as redirects to it) will make the bot to suddenly not 
detect the monument identifier.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tool to add Coordinates

[Platonides]

On 14/09/13 22:14, Jeremy Baron wrote:

Hi,

tl;dr: That tool needs to be disabled immediately. It may be possible
to fix it to give very clear (and accurate!) warnings about the
impending sharing of their data before the sharing takes place (...)



There are links created with the text Ավելացնել կոորդինատ (google
translate makes me think that means approximately add [a]
coordinate(s)) and clicking that will load the google JS. There
appears to be no warning to the user that their data will be shared
with google when they click that link and I believe this is a clear
violation of the WMF privacy policy as currently implemented. see [0]
for links I found where you can try this yourself.


I strongly agree. It should be disabled ASAP.
At least, it's not automatic on page view.

 IMHO making sure the wording clear and accurate will take too long
 (i.e. more than 5 mins) and we should first disable the tool
 completely while/if that wording is developed.

What about «Do you want to load a Google map here? This will allow 
Google to get a bunch of data from you, and will effectively surrend 
your user account to their goodwill» ?


On the first mail I thought they had implemented it as a *user* script 
(each one is free to unsecure their own privacy and account if they 
really wish).



== Licensing issue ==
If we can use Google Maps to get object coordinates into the articles is 
another tricky question (and hard to fix after done). I will wait for 
Luis opinion, but we should be careful.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Android app occasionally uploads as WLM 2012

[Platonides]

On 13/09/13 11:37, Bas vb wrote:

Probably these people are using last years tool, maybe we could try to
find those images and move them to 2013 (as it's clear that's the
intention of the user).

Mvg,

Bas


There are 43 such images:

+--+-++---+
| log_id   | wlm_title  
 | wlm_timestamp  | 
wlm_author_text   |
+--+-++---+
| 68011366 | Центральний_лютеранський_катедральний_собор_України_Св._Павла.jpg  
 | 20130901221038 | 
Milissime25   |
| 68048047 | Дудаєва_17_(2).JPG 
 | 20130902123024 | MSha
  |
| 68048396 | Дудаєва_19_(01).JPG
 | 20130902124004 | MSha
  |
| 68048416 | Дудаєва_19_(02).JPG
 | 20130902124030 | MSha
  |
| 68054482 | Cated_samuxs.jpg   
 | 20130902150213 | Samux   
  |
| 68057742 | Ужгородський_кафедральний_собор_-_Хрестовоздвиженський_собор.jpg   
 | 20130902155628 | Sergio 
kubik  |
| 68062686 | Edifici_d'aparcaments_(Girona)_2013-09-02_19-10-41.jpg 
 | 20130902171106 | 
Cortsenc  |
| 68169473 | -do-_2013-09-04_06-58-04.jpg   
 | 20130904013904 | 
Jyosthna devi |
| 68170842 | Ramappa_temple_2013-09-04_07-25-22.jpg 
 | 20130904020356 | 
Jyosthna devi |
| 68171713 | Ramappa_temple_2013-09-04_07-43-01.jpg 
 | 20130904022200 | 
Jyosthna devi |
| 68298481 | Заліщики_каньйон.jpg   
 | 20130905145241 | Davisdm 
  |
| 68299084 | Бережани.jpg   
 | 20130905150533 | Davisdm 
  |
| 68299294 | Кременець_комплекс_колегіума_чину_єзуїтів.jpg  
 | 20130905151008 | Davisdm 
  |
| 68299410 | Почаївська_лавра_панорама.jpg  
 | 20130905151245 | Davisdm 
  |
| 68335808 | Phare_ile_Rouge.jpg
 | 20130905233223 | 
Jeangagnon|
| 68411709 | Templo_en_Chapala_2013-09-06_13-50-05.jpg  
 | 20130906185041 | 
Gravity.kny   |
| 68421175 | Castell_de_Montgrí_des_de_l'aire_3_cropped.jpg 
 | 20130906205901 | AxelHH  
  |
| 68487960 | Langshuis_2013-09-07_18-55-36.jpg  
 | 20130907165630 | 
Natsakis.anastasios   |
| 68488992 | Traditionele_woning_2013-09-07_19-10-55.jpg
 | 20130907171232 | 
Natsakis.anastasios   |
| 68491997 | Creu_des_Racó_(Porreres)_2013-09-07_19-59-47.jpg   
 | 20130907175918 | 
RafelJuan |
| 68492655 | Creu_des_Racó_(Porreres)_2013-09-07_20-09-36.jpg   
 | 20130907180837 | 
RafelJuan |
| 68552187 | El_Palmàs_(Sant_Joan_de_les_Abadesses)_2013-09-08_12-09-13.jpg 
 | 20130908100958 | Planvi  
  |
| 68552374 | 
Església_de_Sant_Miquel_de_la_Infermeria_(Sant_Joan_de_les_Abadesses)_2013-09-08_12-11-26.jpg
 

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Maps-l] Monuments on the map

[Platonides]

On 13/09/13 10:49, Bastien wrote:

Tiny update: there is now a links button to get the list of
direct links.  Example of a direct link:

   http://www.panoramap.org/en/usen

Thanks to Andrea for triggering this.


That's cool. You should preselect that country-lang in the combobox, though.
It may also be interesting to preselect/center based on geolocation when 
a direct link wasn't provided.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] New CentralNoticeBanners test

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On 13/09/13 18:07, shi zhao wrote:

test link: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=main%20pagebanner=wlm_2013_testuselang=enforce=1

right side images random show, there images from wlm 2012 winners.


Last year there were concerns about license compliance for the banner 
images (that's why the image being currently used is a PD one).


However, I think it could be combined with a text such as You can also 
take a photo like thisbr /Wiki Loves Monumentes 2012 winner [[more 
information]] with the «more information» link leading to a page which 
describes the winners and gives appropiate credit.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Audience award in WLM México

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On 11/09/13 00:28, Ivan Martínez wrote:

Hi folks!

This year our sponsor Carl Zeiss will support our Audience Award, a
special prize for the photo who receive more votes from October 1st to
10th. I want to know if another country is giving a similar prize. If
not, you have a new idea :)

Best regards.


I wonder, how do you plan to perform “votes”?

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Streaming tool

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On 08/09/13 09:54, Michael Maggs wrote:

Thanks Maartin.

That works for some countries now. But the UK (and the US) gives the message No 
images found.

Michael


Fixed.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83365

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monument 2013 India - Victoria Memorial

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On 08/09/13 01:20, Sourendra Das wrote:

Hi Wikipedia,

Few Questions that I wanted some information -


Hello Sourendra

(question about Victoria Memorial answered by Pradeep)


2. 
Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 India Upload Wizard.
Steps and help - *Find the monument ID ! - Other countries

Is this step compulsory or is it for the Volunteers???

3. In Pranav Singh's photo, Tomb of Safdarjung, New Delhi
Pranav had written |description={{ASI Monument|4}} that was corrected
by a Volunteer to |description={{ASI Monument|N-DL-50}}
So, if someone does not know the ASI Monument Number, it will be
corrected/included by the Volunteer???


It is your duty as participant to ensure that your image has the right 
monument id and in the right format (in this case, wrapped between 
{{ASI Monument| and }}). Should you fail to do so, you may be lucky 
and have your description fixed by someone else (and thus the image 
would participate). Or it could be that nobody fixed your image/care to 
look up the id for you (and it wouldn't). And in the worst case, a 
volunteer may see it has a wrong number, think it's not a monument and 
remove it from the list of participants.
As the uploader, you are the best suited one to find the identifier for 
the monument you have photographed.




4. If we put multiple images, can it be the same monument in different
angles???


Yes, of course you can upload as many images of the same monument as you 
wish. Several angles, several sides of the building, include different 
views of the inside in addition of the exterior. A monument is much more 
than a single photo.
(On the other hand, if you have 30 identical shots, you may want to 
choose a single one for upload)



Thanks for participating in Wiki Loves Monuments

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] UploadWizard bug?

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On 06/09/13 02:13, Samat wrote:

It looks that the ID is still not required:
* upload without ID (without any desreption):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Testimage.png


http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?country=hutype=empty 
(NEW!)



* upload with an invalid ID:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Testimage2.jpg


http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?type=badauthor=203129


I can make the bot automatically leave for your country a You haven't 
provided an id template to the uploader but under your own 
responsability. Do you really want to reprimend the user because he 
placed a space instead of a dash in the identifier?


However, I find Kaew proposal of preparing a template for notificating 
You forgot the id a very good idea, as that can offer a more prepared 
explanation than the quick one made up by the notifier.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [WLM announce] Categorization of images

[Platonides]

On 03/09/13 09:43, Lodewijk wrote:

just to be 100% clear: these cases you describe will not be handled by
bot. The bot will only handle cases where a correct identifier is given,
and matched to the database. This is something you will have to do
semi-manually.

Lodewijk


Note that the uploads page will show in red the monuments for which 
there's no such id in the db.

For instance at
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?country=th

there's only one bad id:
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/uploads.php?country=thtype=bad


The backing db is up to date now, so the issues some people detected 
should be gone.
The only known issue so far are the 5800 non-participating images by 
Tilman2007 (waiting for his reply). Remember that in order to 
participate files must have {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2013|countrycode}} 
(with countrycode being a valid one, of course)


Regards

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Use https when linking to any Wikimedia site

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El 05/09/13 22:05, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada escribió:

Sure? I tested this and send me to https http://commons.wikimedia.org



Interesting. Just a few days ago it didn't.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Maps-l] Monuments on the map - Country codes

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On 05/09/13 20:26, Bastien wrote:

Maarten Dammersmaar...@mdammers.nl  writes:


You probably want to use
https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=adminlevelsformat=jsonuselang=fr


By the way, is there something similar to get the translated
names of languages (on top of countries) ?


I use CLDR for that. If you were using php I would point you to the 
WikiLovesMonuments and cldr mediawiki extensionss, for java there should 
be some interface available.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Maps-l] Monuments on the map

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Thanks Bastien.

I find the # of monuments parameter strange.

 Are the show/stop buttons intuitive enough?
No, I don't know what they are supposed to do. Show apparently starts 
searching for monuments and Stop stops it middleway, but I don't know 
why there's such process.


Perhaps the groups should have been cached per country?

Also note that sometimes the links go outside the white balloon or the 
photo is only partially shown, with part of it above the top of the 
viewport.


Regards

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tools and dates

[Platonides]

On Samat wrote:

Hi Michael,

If I understand well:
for WLM2012: https://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2012/users.php
for WLM2013: https://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/users.php
I think both tools work well.

Best,
Samat


That's right.
And https://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm/users.php the most recent WLM.

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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Tools and dates

[Platonides]

Dear WLMers:
We are only 30 minutes away from the beginning of Wiki Loves Monuments 2013.
A number of tools are available at 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Tools

for following the progress. More tools will likely follow in the next days.

Wiki Loves Monuments will begin at the same time everywhere: Sep 1, 00:00 *
but not at the same instant. It will begin staggered due to the multiple
timezones. This year the contest will be led by Russia. You can view the
at contest times at 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Upload_campaigns/Time
(I urge the local teams to verify that the start and end times for their 
country

contest are right)
* Except for Israel, whose contest will be based on Hebrew calendar instead.

We're almost there, teams!


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Nicer, more useful Campaign pages coming soon! - breaks WLM

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Given the raised concerns and proximity of WLM, I would delay it. We 
already have tools for presenting the campaign uploads.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Outreach events

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va...@riseup.net wrote:


Hi All,

As WLM will start in just 3 days, I wander if anyone wants to (or did)
share  the events you organize in your country to get as much participants
and as much (media) attention as possible,

Maybe you find our outreach event inspiring :)

We will start with a flash-mob in Yerevan (capital of Armenia). We have a
group of 20-40 people who are very interested in participating. We'll ask
them to come to a central square wearing WLM T-shirts and at a given
moment they will all together, suddenly start to photograph monuments of
this square.

Then they will split in smaller groups and go photograph elsewhere. We
will give them printed lists of monuments, as well as flyers to distribute
them.

At the end of the day everyone will come to the city library, where we
will have an upload party (or upload-a-thon).

We are going to do the same event in other cities as well.

We think, this will attract more people to take part to the competition.
Besides, the monuments of these cities will be well documented in
Commmons.


Wonderful!

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The WW1 special award

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On 27/08/13 16:51, Michael Maggs wrote:

My understanding is that no separate template is available. In the UK,
we will be asking contestants who want to enter for this prize to
include the text “*WW1:*” at the start of their image description. It’s
clunky, but I don’t know of any better way.

Michael


Then we should create it.
What about {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 - WW1 special award}} ?

(for matching the proposed naming of ‘The WW1 special award’)


@Yuvi: Can we add into the campaigns a checkbox for it?

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The WW1 special award

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On 27/08/13 21:49, Lodewijk wrote:

There will be a special category - not a template. I believe people can
add categories already in the upload form, so this option is there
already. Categories are easier to add en masse (catalot etc) to images
in (cross sections of) categories, so I think that would be more practical.

I'm discussing with Alex what would be the best name for the category.
We probably want it to be as short, but clear, as possible?

Lodewijk


I personally favor a template, as it can not only add it to a category 
but also show  “This is related to the because {{{1}}}” with an icon, 
and is very clear for new users. But I don't oppose to a category 
either. I just request that such category is explicitely listed on the 
page (ie. no category removal because it is already in a subcategory. 
That would create a complication for the image lists).


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Android mobile app is back

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On 25/08/13 23:27, Maarten Dammers wrote:

Hi everyone,

Last year the Wikimedia Foundation developed a Android mobile app for
Wiki Loves Monuments. After September it was abandoned. But the app is
open source, so now it's back as a community supported app. I rebuild
the backend server in toollabs and Yuvi did his magic mobile tricks.
Yuvi also works for the WMF mobile team, but he did all of this in his
spare time as a volunteer.


Great!
Thanks Yuvi, and thanks Maarten for following up.



You can download a test version of the app at
https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/downloads/WLMMobile-debug.apk . It
uploads to https://test.wikipedia.org so feel free to play around.
Feedback is appreciated!
For the people interested in helping with the development, see
https://github.com/wikimedia/WLMMobile


Shouldn't the gerrit repo (apps/mobile/WikiLovesMonuments) be used?
https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/apps%2Fmobile%2FWikiLovesMonuments


Yuvi Panda wrote:

Note: If you still have the app from last year installed, this build
will *not* install on your phone - you need to uninstall the older
version to install this.

Thanks!


This is unfortunate.
Isn't there a way to perform a transition of keys? Perhaps with an 
intermediate app.


If the certificate changes, so should do the app name. We can't expect 
the end users to manually deinstall the old one before installing.
If nothing better, I would publish a WMF-signed update to the old one 
which simply leads you [when opened] to the app store page to install a 
new one.



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Piwik

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On 26/08/13 17:01, Yuvi Panda wrote:

Speaking as a completely naive person who is outside of most of these
protection zones (I live in India), would it be out of the question to
just host a piwik installation on labs?


Yes.
1) labs is on the US so there would be much more issues for EU chapters 
than the existing piwik install.

2) It would be against labs terms of use [1]

1- 
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitech:Labs_Terms_of_use#What_can_and_can.E2.80.99t_be_done_with_user_information.3F


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Android mobile app is back

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Platonides wrote:

Yuvi Panda wrote:

Note: If you still have the app from last year installed, this build
will *not* install on your phone - you need to uninstall the older
version to install this.

Thanks!


This is unfortunate.
Isn't there a way to perform a transition of keys? Perhaps with an 
intermediate app.


If the certificate changes, so should do the app name. We can't expect 
the end users to manually deinstall the old one before installing.
If nothing better, I would publish a WMF-signed update to the old one 
which simply leads you [when opened] to the app store page to install 
a new one.


Related link: 
http://android-developers.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/things-that-cannot-change.html



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Android mobile app is back

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On 26/08/13 17:55, Yuvi Panda wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Platonidesplatoni...@gmail.com  wrote:

Related link:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/things-that-cannot-change.html


Right, so I'll change *both* the name and the certificate, and we'll
be all good :) It is currently 'org.wikipedia.wlm', and we should be
able to change it to 'org.wikilovesmonuments' without issue.

One of the things I've been thinking of is under whose account should
this be published? I've a personal account on the Play store that we
can put this on, but would be nicer if someone else can do that under
a 'common' account. A Wiki Loves Monuments account, perhaps?


Yes, it should be a WLM account.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM Participants' Survey - Questionnaire (Please give feedback until 30 August)

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On 25/08/13 20:26, Karthik Nadar wrote:

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
mailto:lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

We already know that ~ 60/70% of the respondents will be new users,
meaning that they will probably not understand properly what you're
talking about. The WLM upload infrastructure has been built in such
a way that we don't push the license too much in their face, but
only inform them that they are releasing it etc - we don't push a
choice to them. I don't expect any reliable answers from such a
question (or any license related question). If the intended audience
were primarily wikimedians, that might be different.

If any question around free licensing would be appropriate, it would
probably be finding out whether it was a hurdle for them - do they
consider releasing stuff under a free license a problem? But even
about that I'm very doubtful whether it is worth the confusion and
extra question.


What if we can ask something as easy like this: Will you reconsider and
recommend your friends to contribute contents on Internet under free
license??



I would have phrased it more like Did you publish something under a 
free license before?


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Piwik

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On 24/08/13 14:06, Tomasz Ganicz wrote:

Well.. I don't know if central piwiki system for external wikis is
legal in all jurisdicitons, especially in EU as it means transfering
personal data to third party abroad. At least - pages using such
external piwiki instalation should warn their user that their IP, date
of access to webesite and browers user-strng is about to be recorded
by third party... It also apply to the website which decided to use
google analytics or any other such a system not installed on local
server.


The piwik server is hosted inside EU and payed by an european chapter.

Your local legislation may vary, but in my humble non-lawyer opinion, 
transfering to another EU country is fine. I expect that all local laws 
came from the same european law being “roughly” equivalent, in Spain the 
relevant law (LO 15/1999) says:


33.1 No transfer of personal data may be performed with destination to 
countries not providing a protection level equivalent to the one 
provided by this law unless (...)


34 Exceptions:
(...)
k) When the destination of the transfer is a state member of the EU or a 
state about which the Commission of the European Communities has stated 
that guarantees an appropiate protection level.



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Maps-l] Monuments on the map

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On 20/08/13 19:53, Bastien wrote:

Still far from usable, but I made some progress:

   http://wlmmap.herokuapp.com/

The next step is to implement a proper drop-down menu
for the srcountry, and to display a better pop-up.

Given an image file name, how do you programmatically
retrieve the permalink?

E.g. given Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg I can easily infer
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg
but not

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg/320px-Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg

Where does the /2/24/ comes from?  (The rest of the URL seems
to follow a regular pattern.)


The first two bytes of the hex representation of the filename md5 (after 
space→underscore transformations).
If the file is smaller than 320px width there may be no 320px thumbnail 
for you (it may be possible to have a html fallback to the full file in 
that case).


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Andorra is also in

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El 20/08/13 17:17, Àlex Hinojo escribió:

Hi all,

I'm glad to announce that *Amical has decided to finally organize again
this year the Andorra*[1]*edition of WikiLovesMonuments 2013*

Andorra is a very small country in the middle of the Pyrenees, and is
participating since 2011. On that 2011 first edition, we already
completed the list of monuments, being the first country in the world to
reach that goal (We did a WikiTakes Andorra).

On 2012 participation decreased a lot (challenge feeling was low as
every single pic was taken) and that's the reason why we've being
doubting on organizing it or not.

But finally we decided to join this great party!

Apart from this, as we also have been doing since 2011, Amical will
organize an special award for pictures done in Catalonia[2]



Welcome!



The Catalan Army is back! [3]


Nooo! Tie them until October 1st, or send them to photograph Antarctica :D

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition

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On 16/08/13 20:26, David Narvaez wrote:

Maybe  I had the whole idea wrong, but isn't is related to WWI a
property of the monument and not of the photo? I think that, if
monument ID-000-10 is related to WWI, then all photos to ID-000-10
participate in the WWI contest, in which case the user doesn't need to
tick any check box, etc.

David E. Narvaez


Mostly. Jonathan gave an example with the case of «photo showing war 
memorial in front of WLM church».* I had thought on a photo in the Orsay 
Museum where a WWI painting could be seen (you could also think on a 
battle gallery inside a castle/palace, or a WWI-related piece inside a 
museum).
Not all photos of the Church will be related to the WWI, and not all 
photos of the Museum will be eligible.
And conversely, not all photos of the war memorial could participate 
since they wouldn't be WLM-ones if they didn't include the Church 
(assuming the war memorial is not a monument itself).


Regards


* Yes, my opinion is that those entries should be accepted.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition

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On 15/08/13 18:33, Maarten Dammers wrote:

Hi André,

Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef:

In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the
upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition
or not. It would however also require that the placement of the
wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this
template/category is not put in the description field.

Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to
contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.

Previous years we just went through the images and added the special
category. We found plenty of images.

Maarten

[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy


It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as 
possible, but don't try to give less than we should!


- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the 
Europeana award.
They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is 
indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in 
the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate 
(we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).


- The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox 
does add an option but is a one-line step.


- Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.

- Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.


Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition

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On 23/07/13 18:14, Michael Maggs wrote:

How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some
way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself.
In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious
war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would
need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the
uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international
team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the
WW1 award.

Michael


This was a very good point. IMHO there should be a template used to mark 
this (with an argument explaining the relationship).


If we're lucky maybe we can get a checkbox in the upload wizard to say 
This is a monument related to World Ward I (and thus also eligible to 
participate in the Europeana Prize) (with a new field to fill the 
reason that appears when checked)


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Help needed please to set up UploadCampaigns in the UK

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On 07/08/13 18:15, Romaine Wiki wrote:

PS:
I read on your website that there are four organisations that each have their 
own lists. I think this will result in creating four campaigns instead of one.

Scotland seems to have monument IDs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_A_listed_buildings_in_Aberdeen

For the other areas in the UK I can't find lists with unique identifiers. 
Another question, is the Isle of Man also part of the UK competition?

I think it would be good to have an online meeting with Skype or something to 
talk about the things that are needed. I will not be in Hong Kong, and I am 
available on most of the coming days. I think it is urgent to speak with each 
other.


Romaine


I would prefer where possible to see a single campaign per country. The 
identifiers can be made unique by prefixing with the list instead. So it 
could be eg. “identifier Cadw-11210” instead of “identifier 11210 on 
Cadw upload campaign”
There could be four campaigns, with all of them placing the same 
template (differenciating with a parameter, that'd still be much better 
than four different templates), but someone with photos from different 
lists would need to exit one campaign to change into another, instead of 
being able to upload them all from the same screen, which is unintuitive 
(plus a complexity when giving out instructions).


Regards

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM International contest prizes

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If paying for an online backup service, I would suggest tarsnap. The 
backups are encrypted from the user computer, its source code is 
available (with an unfree license, but that's far more than most 
services) and a reasonable price (50€ = $66.40 would provide a credit of 
221 GB/month).	
The author (Colin Percival) is a FreeBSD hacker, which I consider better 
than paying for that to a greedy company.


However, it has the big downside of not having a friendly interface. :(


As photographers are likely to have a lot of data, I think it is worth 
looking at the online backup idea, but I would prefer if that extra 
storage was provided by the company as a sponsorship, rather than buying 
it from a company of our choice.



On 28/07/13 19:19, Lodewijk wrote:

Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with
the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?

Lodewijk


2013/7/28 Jan Ainali:

How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives
are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and
give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of
online services could be used.

/Med vänliga hälsningar,
Jan Ainali/


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Guinness

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On 25/06/13 21:04, Lodewijk wrote:

Hi all,

A short update about the Guinness World Record. Thanks to Erik Zachte,
we have been able to produce a list of all submitted files, following
the narrower criteria of Guinness World Records. For the record: for all
other purposes we use the lists as unfiltered as possible, focusing on
the intention of the uploaders (i.e. statistics).

I have filtered this list on the exact upload date  time (with the
exception of uploads on Flickr that have been uploaded afterwards in
Panama) and removed Belgium  Luxembourg from the set (as those
countries did not submit nominees to the international jury). I only
have to filter Italy a bit more strictly to ensure we only catch the
valid submissions, but once that is done I will be able to put the real
application process in motion.

So hopefully more news soon! Right now, it looks like the official
number of valid submissions will end up between 355.000 and 360.000 .

Best,

Lodewijk


Spain also had flickr uploads moved to commons after September. I hope 
you are taking into account the country end dates, too (except il? I 
don't remember it they could fully count in the Guinness or only those 
on Sep).


A simple count of participating images [1] leads to a count of 356732 
photos (of which 420 seem removed on commons), so it will probably be 
closer to 355.000 than 360.000.


Regards


1- SELECT count(*) FROM wlm2012 WHERE wlm_status='Participating' AND 
wlm_country NOT IN ('be', 'lu');


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Guinness

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On 26/06/13 01:02, Lodewijk wrote:

Hmm, I'm afraid the ones from Flickr in Spain got tossed out the
selection... I'll see if I can find them back - what was the username used?

Lodewijk


They were uploaded by Wiki-Bot.
(for pa there were Flickr upload bot, DNarvaez and Ayaita)

I can provide you a list if you prefer.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-TH] Expression of interest to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Thailand

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On 30/05/13 01:25, Lodewijk wrote:
 However, all of these are equally difficult.  May I suggest
 th.wikilovesmonuments.org http://th.wikilovesmonuments.org
 instead? You could do this for other
 countries too and redirect them to proper sites. (or vice versa)
 
 
 Ooh, for this question I look towards the people with more knowledge of
 how our website infrastructure is set up :) I have no fundamental
 objection, it would just be a technical question I think. 
 
 Lodewijk

Technically, it's perfectly possible. It just needs someone (from WMDE?)
with access to the domain panel to configure it.

Would you also need the hosting, or would you take care of that separatedly?

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM 2013 in Taiwan

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Dennis Raylin Chen wrote:
 Hi everybody
 
 I'm Dennis, the secretary of Wikimedia Taiwan, current working on Wiki
 Loves Monuments in Taiwan.
 
 The community in Taipei has recruit a working group to run the Taiwan
 competition.
 
 Wish we good luck
 
 Dennis Chen
 Secretary
 Wikimedia Taiwan

Good luck!

:)

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] The strange behavior of uploadwizard

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On 15/05/13 20:49, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:
 I think it's rather related to the fact that this user uploaded ten of
 his twelve pictures slightly after midnight on October 1, which resulted
 in them not having the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2012|ch}} template.
 
 My time settings preferences (under Preferences = Date and time)
 allow me to see that [[File:Schloss ChillonIMG 1668.jpg]] was uploaded
 exactly at 2012-10-01T00:04:14 in this user's time zone, and the rest of
 the images were uploaded even later.
 
 -- Tomasz

You are right. WLM-CH 2012 ended at 20120930215959 UTC. The other 10
photos were uploaded after the deadline, and were thus not eligible.
As we used a smart template, the WLM template automatically stopped
being added after the deadline.

In this case, he seems to have done four batches of 2, 3, 6 and 1 photos
respectively, but only the first one was in time.

Detecting uploads intended for WLM which miss the template is
interesting, but not simple. Perhaps we should begin by watching files
uploaded with an ID template but no WLM one. However, inexperienced
people missing the WLM template are also unlikely to properly add the
relevant monument-id template.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tools to make statistic about WLM participants

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On 08/05/13 10:51, Charles Andrès wrote:
 Hello Lodewijk,,
 Currently I'm doing it manually, taking the users list
 here http://toolserver.org/~superzerocool/wlm/?pais=switzerland
 
 and looking for the date of registration and last contrib with this
 tools http://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/
 
 Don't know if somebody is able to connect the two tools
 
 charles

Yes, it should be possible. You are doing it the hard way.
Is the registration and last edit in commons enough for you or should it
be reported globally?


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tools to make statistic about WLM participants

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On 08/05/13 17:31, Lodewijk wrote:
 As reported before, Erik Zachte also created something to make the
 stats, but he needs a list of users as input. 
 
 If someone can create a text file with all users of 2010, 2011, 2012
 (possibly with country parameter), then he can run this probably through
 his tool quite easily. The bottle neck is a reliable list of users (and
 participating files) - this is also a bottle neck for some other processes. 
 
 Best,
 Lodewijk

Yes, now you mention it, I think we did provide him a list of wlm 2012
users for that.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Fwd: WLM Moldova

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On 28/02/13 18:55, Ynhockey wrote:
 One of the most important things to do is to create a list of monuments
 on your language's Wikipedia. You can copy the Romanians' template and
 adapt it for Moldova, for example. After that is done, contact the
 global technical contact (last year it was Multichill, not sure about
 this year yet) and get them to run the bot to add your list to the
 global database.
 
 Then you need to set up a dedicated website for your project. This is
 not a requirement but most countries did it and it helps a lot and adds
 seriousness to your project. It can look something like
 wikilovesmonuments.org http://wikilovesmonuments.org -- the WordPress
 theme used there is available for everyone to use (couldn't find it
 quickly, but I should be able to send it to you when you're ready to
 deploy a site).
 
 You also need to set up your banner on Commons (fairly easy and can be
 done later).
 
 There above are the major virtual steps that need to be taken. Some of
 the real-life steps were outlined above and essentially consist of
 partnering with your local heritage authority, gathering volunteers,
 having events, promoting your competition, etc.
 
 —Ynhockey.

Also, trying to get partners, which you can then use for providing the
competition prizes. You should also get a few judges that will select
the local winners.

I can add the template to the toolserver project for import into the db.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photo exhibition in Mexico City

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El 16/01/13 19:52, Ivan Martínez escribió:
 Hi folks,
 
 Thanks to a Wikimedia Foundation grant, today we inaugurated an
 exhibition of the mexican winner photos of WLM.
 
 The first exhibition will be hosted at UAM Iztapalapa, where one of our
 Wikipedia Student Club is based. In three months, the photos will be
 displayed in various schools, cultural centersand the Metro of Mexico City.
 
 Kindly regards.

Congratulations!


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Video of WLM Spain

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El 18/12/12 02:20, Wilfredor escribió:
 What about the audio source, it is free?

It is.
You can view it at the end of the credits:
Veloma by Fabrizio Paterlini

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Video of WLM Spain

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On 18/12/12 15:15, Marco Fleckinger wrote:
 Veloma by Fabrizio Paterlini is licensed under a
 Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License.
 
 CC BY SA NC
 
 as written on:
 
 http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Fabrizio_Paterlini/netBloc_Vol_30_aldartea/01_-_Fabrizio_Paterlini_-_Veloma
 
 
 BTW: This is an important fact, because it is also part of the video
 
 Cheers
 
 Marco

Big problem indeed. Seems the author got confused with CC licenses.
I will notify him ASAP.

Thanks!

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Definitions of participating photos

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On 13/12/12 23:50, Lodewijk wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 just like last year, I am working on applying for recognition of Wiki
 Loves Monuments as the World Largest Photography Competition. We should
 be easily able to meet this record, but the evidence is always a bit
 tricky to generate. Just like last year, I'd like to be able to send
 them a full list of all participating images. 
 
 However, for other purposes we might need different definitions. I'd
 like to suggest a few different definitions here. 
 
 == Retention statistics ==
 For running retention statistics etc, I'd like to use wide definitions
 of participating people and images: If the uploader *thought* he was
 validly submitting, that is good enough. After all, here it is the
 intention that counts. So this list should ideally include every image
 that ever contained the Wiki Loves Monuments template. No matter if the
 image was deleted, disqualified or if the country didn't submit finalists.
 
 * No matter which country
 * No matter the license / deleted or not
 * No matter the monument template
 * But within the time frame that the contest was ongoing (to have
 'clear' stats for a full month of contest)

I have a good number of these, but not the full picture.
(would miss early uploads which were already deleted by the time the
script was running properly)



 == Guinness ==
 This will be the strictest definition because we cannot afford a single
 mistake (that would make the process much more painful and long) and we
 have easily beaten the record anyway so we can afford this. 
 
 For this purpose, we should generate a clean list of images that
 definitely fulfill the criteria. This means among others that a
 submission is for this definition only considered valid if it really
 made a chance to win the international prize (similar to last year).
 That means for example unfortunately that images from Belgium 
 Luxembourg  South Tyrol cannot participate for this definition.
 (Belgium  Luxembourg didn't submit finalists, so strictly speaking
 those images never made any chance to win the international competition.
 For Italy (including South Tyrol) there was a bit more complicated rule
 due to local legislation that there had to be a permission from the
 soprintendenza (if you want details, please ask the local organizers!) etc. 

@WLM-IT: How can be determined if there was such permission or not?


 * Participating in one of the 33 countries that submitted nominees for
 the finale.
 * License OK
 * Not deleted
 * Monument template with existing monument ID in the database has to be
 present (should there be exception countries to this?) 

As much as I would like to all countries to be using monument id
templates, I don't think this can be enforced. Some countries didn't
have/use monument ids at all. Others have them only partially (eg. de).
pl *removed* the templates holding the monument id, and put it on the
category page added to the image.

It would be much easier IMHO to ask the organisers for the list of files
they sent to their jury. We can further filter deleted-since images.

For countries where all members used the Category: page directly (thus
no historic record of what they saw*), we can make an approximation.

What to do if a country first processed all the images and only later
checked if the monument id was valid/missing? I would still count it,
since it «battled» with the other images. And had it passed to the next
round, organisers would have probably tried to fix it even though it was
originally missing.

* Other than crawling the history of Wikimedia Commons pages.


 In the case of
 Italy, the monument has to be on the 'cleared list' (can someone provide
 a complete cleared list as it was valid for the competition 2012?)
 * Uploaded within the time frame for that country. Exception is mass
 uploads from mobile platform and Flickr. I believe Platonides has a
 whitelist for these bot uploaders? 

I could look at the images I have registered as valid, with an upload
time later than the end.


 Am I missing any other criteria that could invalidate according to such
 a strict definition? I'm skipping the 'activated email address' because
 in practice we have reminded people of activating that if relevant on
 several occasions. 
 
 I'd like to get started with this soon, so any quick feedback would be
 welcome. 
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Lodewijk

Regards

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photos of awards ceremonies

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On 27/11/12 23:29, Андрій Бондаренко wrote:
 Done. Though it seems little bit strange if 2011 awards are also in 2012
 category, as in this case
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AWiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Catalonia%3A_awards_ceremonydiff=83793985oldid=75010788.
 
 Andrij

Moved to [[Category:Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 awards ceremonies]]

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] getting the UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the database

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On 19/11/12 15:53, Lodewijk wrote:
 Oh, and one more question I couldn't solve: what ISO code should I use
 to identify as country in the link to the database? I have to fill one
 in on the toolserver link
 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UNESCO_World_Heritage_Site_row .
 
 Lodewijk

We could use UN (an un-assigned code in ISO_3166), although if we want
to play safer, we can use XU (user-assigned).

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Calendar WLM 2013

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It may be a bit hard to determine the day of the week.

You have a list of numbers:
 1 2 3 4 5 | 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 | 13 14 15 16 17 ...

So -knowing that the pipe splits Sunday from Monday- you have to go back
from that to find out that the 1st of May is actually Wednesday.

We could prepend a couple of empty squares, or simply put the days of
the previous month, ie. 29 30 1 2 3 4 5 | 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 | 13 14 15 16
17 ...


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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Calendar WLM 2013

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On 19/11/12 17:43, Barbara Fischer wrote:
 Hi Platonides,
 
 it was remarked before that the calendar should have not only a neutral
 language and cultural outlook but as it is planned now it would serve
 eternal purposes. If we would follow You really good idea it would not
 be ready for use 2014, as the days shift. But if the community perfer it
 that way we could still change it.

The end of the week is already marked with the dotted vertical bars as
well as the week number.
More year-locality isn't added by what I proposed. Plus all the months
are preceded by the same days of the previous month every year. Except
on leap-years, but this calendar doesn't include Feb 29th anyway.

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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Language of the survey

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On 09/11/12 14:06, Cristian Consonni wrote:
 2012/10/31 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
 That is so cool! And I wonder if the android app helped. Almost a quarter of 
 the multi- country uploaders were newbies? Amazing
 
 It would be really really cool if the app could notify the presence of
 a survey and collect the results, but it is probably out of its
 scope...
 
 Cristian

I'm not so sure. The downside is that now that WLM has finished, I don't
think the users will be opening the app, but it's worth opening a bug
for that anyway, so it can be implemented next year.
As well as getting a notification in the app if you have new talk page
messages (I don't think it does, but I haven't tested).



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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Organisers' survey

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On 10/11/12 05:10, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
 The survey is available at
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGMtRG5TNVdWck16X3dlTGdSWTc3VkE6MA.
 I intend to close it in two weeks from now, that is in the early UTC
 morning of Saturday, November 17; I hope you'll have enough time to
 fill it during that period.

In two weeks or in the early morning of November 17th? :)


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