[Wikimediaau-l] Sydney Morning Herald
an interesting one; http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/here-comes-britannica-20/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html talking about some new developments in Brittanica's approach it's a shame we (the chapter) didn't get a mention, or a quote or something - but never mind :-) the story is top of the 'top 10 stories of the day' currently at smh.com.au, so it's clearly getting read, by the way. cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Interesting indeed. They seem to be proposing an interesting blend of community and control. Wonder how that will work out for them? My personal favourite line is that It's very much used by many people because it covers many topics and it's the No.1 search result on Google. It's not necessarily that people go to Wikipedia That just doesn't strike me as true, but I guess I don't know the evidence. Kimberlee Weatherall From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 7:36 AM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Sydney Morning Herald an interesting one; http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/here-comes-britannica-20/2 009/01/22/1232471469973.html talking about some new developments in Brittanica's approach it's a shame we (the chapter) didn't get a mention, or a quote or something - but never mind :-) the story is top of the 'top 10 stories of the day' currently at smh.com.au, so it's clearly getting read, by the way. cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Yes, it would have been nice to get a mention so we could note that article contributions to Brittanica will be held under their copyright, while Wikipedia is a not-for-profit and its content is not just Wikipedia's, but freely licensed for all to use and reuse, which is an important factor is gaining community support. User:Pengo Peter Halasz 2009/1/23 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com an interesting one; http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/here-comes-britannica-20/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html talking about some new developments in Brittanica's approach it's a shame we (the chapter) didn't get a mention, or a quote or something - but never mind :-) the story is top of the 'top 10 stories of the day' currently at smh.com.au, so it's clearly getting read, by the way. cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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2009/1/22 Kimberlee Weatherall k.weather...@law.uq.edu.au: Interesting indeed. They seem to be proposing an interesting blend of community and control. Wonder how that will work out for them? My personal favourite line is that It's very much used by many people because it covers many topics and it's the No.1 search result on Google. It's not necessarily that people go to Wikipedia That just doesn't strike me as true, but I guess I don't know the evidence. In my experience, it's not true. There actually people who e-mail OTRS talking about how they have Wikipedia as their home page or how we should make the cursor show up in the search box by default -- they actually go to our main page and search from there. :-) A lot of people definitely come from Google (or at least realize how awesome we are ;-)), but there are other people who go straight to Wikipedia. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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If the chapter was releasing regular press releases, the media may be more likely to contact the chapter for comment. It makes us look more credible and we are in their faces with a media contact more often. On 2009-01-23, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/22 Kimberlee Weatherall k.weather...@law.uq.edu.au: Interesting indeed. They seem to be proposing an interesting blend of community and control. Wonder how that will work out for them? My personal favourite line is that It's very much used by many people because it covers many topics and it's the No.1 search result on Google. It's not necessarily that people go to Wikipedia That just doesn't strike me as true, but I guess I don't know the evidence. In my experience, it's not true. There actually people who e-mail OTRS talking about how they have Wikipedia as their home page or how we should make the cursor show up in the search box by default -- they actually go to our main page and search from there. :-) A lot of people definitely come from Google (or at least realize how awesome we are ;-)), but there are other people who go straight to Wikipedia. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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2009/1/22 Nick Perkins superni...@gmail.com: If the chapter was releasing regular press releases, the media may be more likely to contact the chapter for comment. It makes us look more credible and we are in their faces with a media contact more often. Well, honestly, does the media even know you exist yet? :-) Did anyone send them anything like a press release? Maybe that's on the to-do. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/1/22 Nick Perkins superni...@gmail.com: If the chapter was releasing regular press releases, the media may be more likely to contact the chapter for comment. It makes us look more credible and we are in their faces with a media contact more often. Well, honestly, does the media even know you exist yet? :-) Did anyone send them anything like a press release? Maybe that's on the to-do. 500 delegates at LInux.conf.au 2009 now know that we exist (thankyou Angela for the plug!) The AGM was only a couple of weeks ago and for a week of that both the Pres and VP have been at LCA, so I assume no time for press releases yet. Regards, Charles ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Probably what we need to do is designate one of our committee members to take on a press contact role. It wouldn't be hard work - one every 2 or 3 weeks. I ran as an independent candidate for parliament once and just kept faxing out press releases from a free internet fax box, and you would be AMAZED who contacted me over them. I got radio interviews and even a half page in a local paper out of them once. The key is to be well written and sound and look professional, almost business-like. Unfortunately Peter Andren died but his ICAN (Independent Candidates) Network had some great tips on writing press releases which I followed closely. cheers Andrew 2009/1/23 Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.net On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/1/22 Nick Perkins superni...@gmail.com: If the chapter was releasing regular press releases, the media may be more likely to contact the chapter for comment. It makes us look more credible and we are in their faces with a media contact more often. Well, honestly, does the media even know you exist yet? :-) Did anyone send them anything like a press release? Maybe that's on the to-do. 500 delegates at LInux.conf.au 2009 now know that we exist (thankyou Angela for the plug!) The AGM was only a couple of weeks ago and for a week of that both the Pres and VP have been at LCA, so I assume no time for press releases yet. Regards, Charles ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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I and one or two other people already have contact with Asher Moses, by the way. I have some contacts at the Sunday Times in Perth, and I'm sure others would have state contacts. (This is why we need press coordination :)) 2009/1/23 Kimberlee Weatherall k.weather...@law.uq.edu.au Press release is one thing; targeting the right journalists is another. When whoever is the relevant person gets on to this on their to do list – I'd suggest getting in touch with some of the more regular IT journalists, people like Asher Moses. Can pass on some more names of people who've called/contacted me over time when the relevant person gets around to this! Also worth pumping regular media commentators for some contacts – maybe try Matt Rimmer at ANU if you know him – he seems to talk to people constantly! Kim *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Charles Gregory *Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2009 11:02 AM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Sydney Morning Herald On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/22 Nick Perkins superni...@gmail.com: If the chapter was releasing regular press releases, the media may be more likely to contact the chapter for comment. It makes us look more credible and we are in their faces with a media contact more often. Well, honestly, does the media even know you exist yet? :-) Did anyone send them anything like a press release? Maybe that's on the to-do. 500 delegates at LInux.conf.au 2009 now know that we exist (thankyou Angela for the plug!) The AGM was only a couple of weeks ago and for a week of that both the Pres and VP have been at LCA, so I assume no time for press releases yet. Regards, Charles ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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I was asked for a comment on the article, but only after it was published. I recommend that a phone number be added to the contact page on wikimedia.org.au. Often an email isn't quick enough for journalists on a tight deadline. Angela 2009/1/23 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com: an interesting one; http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/here-comes-britannica-20/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html talking about some new developments in Brittanica's approach it's a shame we (the chapter) didn't get a mention, or a quote or something - but never mind :-) the story is top of the 'top 10 stories of the day' currently at smh.com.au, so it's clearly getting read, by the way. cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: I was asked for a comment on the article, but only after it was published. I recommend that a phone number be added to the contact page on wikimedia.org.au. Often an email isn't quick enough for journalists on a tight deadline. Angela On a side note, Brianna is listed on the Wikimedia Foundation's Press room as a press contact for Wikimedia Australia. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press#Official_chapters (She's been a press contact for years, I think, but now she's been moved to Wikimedia Australia). Angela is also a press contact for the Australia-area. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press#By_location So either could be listed (their phone numbers are there) -- just please confirm it with them first. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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I updated the press contacts for Australia on foundationwiki not so long ago, so these are believed to be correct. If Angela and Brianna don't mind, I can add their contact phone numbers to officialwiki - please let me know. - James On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: I was asked for a comment on the article, but only after it was published. I recommend that a phone number be added to the contact page on wikimedia.org.au. Often an email isn't quick enough for journalists on a tight deadline. Angela On a side note, Brianna is listed on the Wikimedia Foundation's Press room as a press contact for Wikimedia Australia. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press#Official_chapters (She's been a press contact for years, I think, but now she's been moved to Wikimedia Australia). Angela is also a press contact for the Australia-area. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press#By_location So either could be listed (their phone numbers are there) -- just please confirm it with them first. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- James R. [[User:JamesR]] English Wikipedia Administrator Wikimedia Australia Member ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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2009/1/23 James R. e.wikipe...@gmail.com: I updated the press contacts for Australia on foundationwiki not so long ago, so these are believed to be correct. If Angela and Brianna don't mind, I can add their contact phone numbers to officialwiki - please let me know. I don't mind, but I'm not sure that's the right thing to do as I can't speak on behalf on the chapter. Angela ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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So you're saying that we should only add Brianna's details at this time? Is there really any problem with you speaking on behalf of the chapter? You've been the Australian point of contact even before the chapter was developed... why not? Would it require approval from the committee? - James On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/23 James R. e.wikipe...@gmail.com: I updated the press contacts for Australia on foundationwiki not so long ago, so these are believed to be correct. If Angela and Brianna don't mind, I can add their contact phone numbers to officialwiki - please let me know. I don't mind, but I'm not sure that's the right thing to do as I can't speak on behalf on the chapter. Angela -- James R. [[User:JamesR]] English Wikipedia Administrator Wikimedia Australia Member ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Aren't there a couple of different issues going on here - on the one hand, ability to speak for the chapter, say, on chapter type issues, and on the other hand, ability to speak about Wikipedia/Wikimedia? Maybe, Angela, you'd be comfortable talking about Wikipedia/Wikimedia from an informed perspective - but might refer journalists to Brianna for official 'chapter type' stuff? Just a thought. Kim From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James R. Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 3:21 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Sydney Morning Herald So you're saying that we should only add Brianna's details at this time? Is there really any problem with you speaking on behalf of the chapter? You've been the Australian point of contact even before the chapter was developed... why not? Would it require approval from the committee? - James On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/23 James R. e.wikipe...@gmail.com: I updated the press contacts for Australia on foundationwiki not so long ago, so these are believed to be correct. If Angela and Brianna don't mind, I can add their contact phone numbers to officialwiki - please let me know. I don't mind, but I'm not sure that's the right thing to do as I can't speak on behalf on the chapter. Angela -- James R. [[User:JamesR]] English Wikipedia Administrator Wikimedia Australia Member ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
