Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: WMIN shutdown ?

2014-09-13 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Thank you Viswa, for clarifying.
As per what you asked me to refer to to, the bylaws, page states that
membership has to be renewed within the first three months of the fiscal
year, which is (if you were unaware) April, May, June. As per Sowmyan's
mail to the EC in July, Nikita had not sent in either the form or the
money. In the case of Karthik and me, the money was sent, on his request
for both of us prior to the deadline from my bank account via NEFT. All you
need to do is check the bank records.
As for the CoI policy, I had started the draft using the WMF policy as a
base. None of you contributed to it. There was a resolution passed to
accept this draft as well as a resolution to post minutes of meetings on
the public wiki. Due to technical glitches, this never happened, and you
were given the task of coordinating to get it running properly.
Regards,
 On 13-Sep-2014 9:25 am, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Viswa,
 Before accusing me of holding back your mails please do remember that I
 was never an admin of this list. It has always been Hari and Anirudh.
  On 13-Sep-2014 2:10 am, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Srikanth,

 Please read the bye-laws once again and always quote from the bye-law in
 exact verbatim.
 For your convenience, here is a copy of the MoA:
 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/2/20/ChapterRegDocsEnglish.pdf

 I shall even direct you to the exact location for this particular clause:
 It is at Article V, Section 2 (on page 8th of the whole 18 page PDF
 volume).

 Also, please be careful so that such uneducated and precisely planned
 doubts does not hit back at cases of your own (as well as Karthik's)
 membership validity and cessation,   if not for any previous instances.


 Thanks and regards,
 Viswam

 PS. BTW, why is it that my mails are not being transmitted through this
 list? How do I know how long this may have been happening? Being one of the
 administrators, you may have a clue. ;)



 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Viswa, I have read the bylaws. If a member does not renew before the
 grace period, in this case 30th of June, it becomes a new application. 10th
 July is not exactly within the grace period is it?
 On 12-Sep-2014 11:42 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
 viswapra...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am resending  ( rather, re-attempting to send) an important reply
 mail that  was sent to this mail list 10 hours back from my Wikimedia.in
 ID, for your kind reading. *To my great shock, I realize now that,
 strangely that mail never reached our mail-list!*


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswapra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN shutdown ?
 To: Wikimedia India Community list 
 wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org


 Dear Srikanth and other readers,

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Viswa,
 Prior to the departure of several EC members,  resolution had been
 passed to accept the draft Coi policy that was done by me with Karthik's
 help. Please ensure that it is implemented.


 A new draft is being prepared, (stemmed from your draft, thank you,
 Srikanth), incorporating additional details conforming to international
 standards for non-profit  organizations. Within a day or two, this draft
 will be presented in the chapter Wiki for review, discussion  and
 suggestions by any members (and even interested community members and other
 stakeholders).

 The draft will be retrieved back to the EC and will be finally vetted
 and approved as a standard core document during the upcoming Board Meeting
 on 20,21 September 2014 at Bangalore.

 Also, you mentioned a board meeting in September. Does this indicate
 the AGM or just the four core EC members.

 The board meeting on 20,21 at Bangalore is a board meeting. It will
 take up and decide on the matter of AGM / Elections in such a way as to
 conduct the same at the earliest possible date,  as early as the stipulated
 timelines and documentation requirements (mainly completion of Audit Report
 and Annual Report) will allow. It will also review and decide on the voting
 eligibility requirements of all chapter members who are members of the
 chapter. Further, it will decide on several administrative policies, of
 which, a major one will be the feasibility of enlistment of all members
 (with bare minimum personal data) on the chapter wiki. Some of these
 decisions will be acted upon immediately after the meeting.

 The EC is also seriously corroborating on the feasibility of publishing
 every minutes and resolutions passed during its business except for the
 ones require confidential privacy.

 In the meanwhile, we also intend to invite suggestions for
 modifications and improvements in the bye-laws and other documents via
 discussions on the member wiki. Such suggestions, will be finely 

[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia/Wikisource/Wikimedia stall at Chennai Mozilla Reps Maker Party

2014-09-13 Thread Pavanaja U B
Hello,

 

There will be a Wikipedia/Wikisource/Wikimedia stall at the Maker Party
Chennai (http://makerpartychennai.in/) tomorrow (Spe14, 2014). I will be
there. Please take some time out to visit. Let us catch up.

 

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

 

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Please use the appropriate forums (Was: Re: Fwd: WMIN shutdown ?)

2014-09-13 Thread Vikram Vincent
Dear all,
From some of the discussions, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the
sanctity of the respective forums has to be maintained under all
circumstances.  Using a public mailing lists to sort out details that
should be discussed within the Board or within the EC is deplorable. Look
at all the successful movements around the world and you will find that the
simple reason for their success is discipline of thought, word and action.

Leading a movement such as the free knowledge movement called Wikipedia
constrained by the challenges of a pluralistic culture requires a ton of
maturity.  There are also challenges of working with a team or teams that
comes with diverse experiences and view points and I can assure you that
getting frustrated and quitting or using a public forum to wash dirty linen
is not the way forward.  Discipline, patience and perseverance are the
keys.  The free knowledge movement provides us with an opportunity to not
only refine society but also ourselves as human beings.  Please use this
opportunity wisely.
With fraternal greetings from the Free Software Movement in India
Vikram Vincent

On 13 September 2014 12:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thank you Viswa, for clarifying.
 As per what you asked me to refer to to, the bylaws, page states that
 membership has to be renewed within the first three months of the fiscal
 year, which is (if you were unaware) April, May, June. As per Sowmyan's
 mail to the EC in July, Nikita had not sent in either the form or the
 money. In the case of Karthik and me, the money was sent, on his request
 for both of us prior to the deadline from my bank account via NEFT. All you
 need to do is check the bank records.
 As for the CoI policy, I had started the draft using the WMF policy as a
 base. None of you contributed to it. There was a resolution passed to
 accept this draft as well as a resolution to post minutes of meetings on
 the public wiki. Due to technical glitches, this never happened, and you
 were given the task of coordinating to get it running properly.
 Regards,
  On 13-Sep-2014 9:25 am, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Viswa,
 Before accusing me of holding back your mails please do remember that I
 was never an admin of this list. It has always been Hari and Anirudh.
  On 13-Sep-2014 2:10 am, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Srikanth,

 Please read the bye-laws once again and always quote from the bye-law in
 exact verbatim.
 For your convenience, here is a copy of the MoA:
 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/2/20/ChapterRegDocsEnglish.pdf

 I shall even direct you to the exact location for this particular clause:
 It is at Article V, Section 2 (on page 8th of the whole 18 page PDF
 volume).

 Also, please be careful so that such uneducated and precisely planned
 doubts does not hit back at cases of your own (as well as Karthik's)
 membership validity and cessation,   if not for any previous instances.


 Thanks and regards,
 Viswam

 PS. BTW, why is it that my mails are not being transmitted through this
 list? How do I know how long this may have been happening? Being one of the
 administrators, you may have a clue. ;)



 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Viswa, I have read the bylaws. If a member does not renew before the
 grace period, in this case 30th of June, it becomes a new application. 10th
 July is not exactly within the grace period is it?
 On 12-Sep-2014 11:42 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
 viswapra...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am resending  ( rather, re-attempting to send) an important reply
 mail that  was sent to this mail list 10 hours back from my Wikimedia.in
 ID, for your kind reading. *To my great shock, I realize now that,
 strangely that mail never reached our mail-list!*


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswapra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN shutdown ?
 To: Wikimedia India Community list 
 wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org


 Dear Srikanth and other readers,

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Viswa,
 Prior to the departure of several EC members,  resolution had been
 passed to accept the draft Coi policy that was done by me with Karthik's
 help. Please ensure that it is implemented.


 A new draft is being prepared, (stemmed from your draft, thank you,
 Srikanth), incorporating additional details conforming to international
 standards for non-profit  organizations. Within a day or two, this draft
 will be presented in the chapter Wiki for review, discussion  and
 suggestions by any members (and even interested community members and 
 other
 stakeholders).

 The draft will be retrieved back to the EC and will be finally vetted
 and approved as a standard core document during the upcoming Board Meeting
 on 20,21 September 2014 at 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: WMIN shutdown ?

2014-09-13 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Sorry for the second email. I meant to say members wiki because the law
says we can not have it in public.
On 13-Sep-2014 12:01 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thank you Viswa, for clarifying.
 As per what you asked me to refer to to, the bylaws, page states that
 membership has to be renewed within the first three months of the fiscal
 year, which is (if you were unaware) April, May, June. As per Sowmyan's
 mail to the EC in July, Nikita had not sent in either the form or the
 money. In the case of Karthik and me, the money was sent, on his request
 for both of us prior to the deadline from my bank account via NEFT. All you
 need to do is check the bank records.
 As for the CoI policy, I had started the draft using the WMF policy as a
 base. None of you contributed to it. There was a resolution passed to
 accept this draft as well as a resolution to post minutes of meetings on
 the public wiki. Due to technical glitches, this never happened, and you
 were given the task of coordinating to get it running properly.
 Regards,
  On 13-Sep-2014 9:25 am, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Viswa,
 Before accusing me of holding back your mails please do remember that I
 was never an admin of this list. It has always been Hari and Anirudh.
  On 13-Sep-2014 2:10 am, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Srikanth,

 Please read the bye-laws once again and always quote from the bye-law in
 exact verbatim.
 For your convenience, here is a copy of the MoA:
 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/2/20/ChapterRegDocsEnglish.pdf

 I shall even direct you to the exact location for this particular clause:
 It is at Article V, Section 2 (on page 8th of the whole 18 page PDF
 volume).

 Also, please be careful so that such uneducated and precisely planned
 doubts does not hit back at cases of your own (as well as Karthik's)
 membership validity and cessation,   if not for any previous instances.


 Thanks and regards,
 Viswam

 PS. BTW, why is it that my mails are not being transmitted through this
 list? How do I know how long this may have been happening? Being one of the
 administrators, you may have a clue. ;)



 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Viswa, I have read the bylaws. If a member does not renew before the
 grace period, in this case 30th of June, it becomes a new application. 10th
 July is not exactly within the grace period is it?
 On 12-Sep-2014 11:42 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
 viswapra...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am resending  ( rather, re-attempting to send) an important reply
 mail that  was sent to this mail list 10 hours back from my Wikimedia.in
 ID, for your kind reading. *To my great shock, I realize now that,
 strangely that mail never reached our mail-list!*


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswapra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN shutdown ?
 To: Wikimedia India Community list 
 wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org


 Dear Srikanth and other readers,

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Viswa,
 Prior to the departure of several EC members,  resolution had been
 passed to accept the draft Coi policy that was done by me with Karthik's
 help. Please ensure that it is implemented.


 A new draft is being prepared, (stemmed from your draft, thank you,
 Srikanth), incorporating additional details conforming to international
 standards for non-profit  organizations. Within a day or two, this draft
 will be presented in the chapter Wiki for review, discussion  and
 suggestions by any members (and even interested community members and 
 other
 stakeholders).

 The draft will be retrieved back to the EC and will be finally vetted
 and approved as a standard core document during the upcoming Board Meeting
 on 20,21 September 2014 at Bangalore.

 Also, you mentioned a board meeting in September. Does this indicate
 the AGM or just the four core EC members.

 The board meeting on 20,21 at Bangalore is a board meeting. It will
 take up and decide on the matter of AGM / Elections in such a way as to
 conduct the same at the earliest possible date,  as early as the 
 stipulated
 timelines and documentation requirements (mainly completion of Audit 
 Report
 and Annual Report) will allow. It will also review and decide on the 
 voting
 eligibility requirements of all chapter members who are members of the
 chapter. Further, it will decide on several administrative policies, of
 which, a major one will be the feasibility of enlistment of all members
 (with bare minimum personal data) on the chapter wiki. Some of these
 decisions will be acted upon immediately after the meeting.

 The EC is also seriously corroborating on the feasibility of
 publishing every minutes and resolutions passed during its business except
 for the ones require confidential 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Dear all,

Taking some liberty to speak on behapf of the chapter, I can promise you
all that the Chapter's board, being newly restructured now, are working
very hard these days to turn around many of the the ways it has been
working through.

We are trying to become more accommodative, diverse, open, growth-oriented
and pro-active with an 'All Win, Win All' outlook.

In the course, there are quite a few hard and critical hurdles from many
angles, mostly legal and administrative.

May I now request all of you to give a helping hand and ideological support
to this crucial organization which can potentially stand up mightily as a
capable representation of all Indian Wikimedia volunteers and pride itself
among the best Wikimedia chapters of all world.

-Viswam


On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:


  Do I need permission from the chapter to start a Wikipedia editors club
 in my neighbourhood?

 To answer just this simple, technical question: no, there is no
 restriction, and any group is welcome to seek recognition independently of
 the chapter, and does not need its permission.

 See here:

 https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_user_group_creation_guide

 Thanks Asaf, that was helpful.


 --
  Arun Ganesh
 (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad
  http://j.mp/ArunGanesh

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[Wikimediaindia-l] On a proposed government Initiative

2014-09-13 Thread sibi kanagaraj
Dear all ,

Its claimed here
https://www.facebook.com/airnewsalerts/photos/a.262571017217636.1073741824.191931674281571/455896034551799/?type=1theater
that , GoI is planning to // soon make available valuable old recordings,
many of the which rare ones with Doordarshan and All India Radio, on mobile
handsets through a special application.// Can some one from the chapter and
also volunteers  try to make inroads and put out a consistent effort to
make them under CC complaint license .

-Sibi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please use the appropriate forums (Was: Re: Fwd: WMIN shutdown ?)

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
I Completely agree with you, Vikram. And due respects to your words and to
the forum!

Even before your mail, I had already decided not to reply anymore or
languish within this thread, unnecessary and quite out of place. My earlier
responses were only to clarify on the points raised which were addressed,
by name, to me.

Signing off on this,
Viswam


On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Vikram Vincent vincentvik...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear all,
 From some of the discussions, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the
 sanctity of the respective forums has to be maintained under all
 circumstances.  Using a public mailing lists to sort out details that
 should be discussed within the Board or within the EC is deplorable. Look
 at all the successful movements around the world and you will find that the
 simple reason for their success is discipline of thought, word and action.

 Leading a movement such as the free knowledge movement called Wikipedia
 constrained by the challenges of a pluralistic culture requires a ton of
 maturity.  There are also challenges of working with a team or teams that
 comes with diverse experiences and view points and I can assure you that
 getting frustrated and quitting or using a public forum to wash dirty linen
 is not the way forward.  Discipline, patience and perseverance are the
 keys.  The free knowledge movement provides us with an opportunity to not
 only refine society but also ourselves as human beings.  Please use this
 opportunity wisely.
 With fraternal greetings from the Free Software Movement in India
 Vikram Vincent


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN shutdown ?

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Dear Srikanth and other readers,

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Viswa,
 Prior to the departure of several EC members,  resolution had been passed
 to accept the draft Coi policy that was done by me with Karthik's help.
 Please ensure that it is implemented.


A new draft is being prepared, (stemmed from your draft, thank you,
Srikanth), incorporating additional details conforming to international
standards for non-profit  organizations. Within a day or two, this draft
will be presented in the chapter Wiki for review, discussion  and
suggestions by any members (and even interested community members and other
stakeholders).

The draft will be retrieved back to the EC and will be finally vetted and
approved as a standard core document during the upcoming Board Meeting on
20,21 September 2014 at Bangalore.

Also, you mentioned a board meeting in September. Does this indicate the
 AGM or just the four core EC members.

The board meeting on 20,21 at Bangalore is a board meeting. It will take up
and decide on the matter of AGM / Elections in such a way as to conduct the
same at the earliest possible date,  as early as the stipulated timelines
and documentation requirements (mainly completion of Audit Report and
Annual Report) will allow. It will also review and decide on the voting
eligibility requirements of all chapter members who are members of the
chapter. Further, it will decide on several administrative policies, of
which, a major one will be the feasibility of enlistment of all members
(with bare minimum personal data) on the chapter wiki. Some of these
decisions will be acted upon immediately after the meeting.

The EC is also seriously corroborating on the feasibility of publishing
every minutes and resolutions passed during its business except for the
ones require confidential privacy.

In the meanwhile, we also intend to invite suggestions for modifications
and improvements in the bye-laws and other documents via discussions on the
member wiki. Such suggestions, will be finely filtered and drafted,
presented and voted upon during the AGM  and will be passed if approved by
a two third majority.

I say four because Nikita had not renewed her membership as of the first of
 July 2014 thus ceasing to be a member of the chapter let alone an EC
 member.

 You may kindly refer to the Bye-law regarding the norms on cessation and
reinstatement of membership.


Let me also take up this opportunity to inform all readers of the following:


Thank you,
Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Treasurer
Wikimedia Chapter


 Please look into these matters.
 On 11-Sep-2014 2:16 am, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 The newly restructured EC has held a telecon tonight (September 10th). We
 have decided to meet in person at Bangalore on 20,21  22 September 2014
 with a large number of tasks in hand.

 Due to several reasons, principally among them, a delay in the completion
 of Financial Audit Reports, we are forced to postpone the AGM and Elections
 by a few weeks, following the recommendation of our legal and financial
 consultants.

 The above board meeting, to be held in Bangalore, will corroborate and
 decide on the earliest possible date to conduct the AGM and General
 Elections considering all formal timeline constraints. We will also meet-up
 with the Election Committee, our legal and financial consultants and other
 concerned agencies.

 We are also about to present a few drafts at the Chapters wiki and invite
 amendments, modifications and improvements in our constitutional and policy
 documents. This will include a 'Conflict of Interest' policy, a basic
 framework on the formation of an Advisory committee, simplification of
 membership application processes, grant process, publication of necessary
 Membership data without compromising the privacy concerns etc.

 We will be releasing more detailed info along these lines within a few
 days. Till then, Please standby.

 Thank you

 Viswanathan Prabhakaran
 Treasurer
 Wikimedia India Chapter



 On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
 sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Anivar Aravind
 anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I am also surprised to see no reply.  Arjuna, do you have any further
  information?
 
 
  Update on Election commitee process on WMIN Elections is here
  http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Talk:Elections2014


 Any further updates?

 Regards
 -Sudhanwa



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IMPORTANT: Future of work in India -- a community consultation in Bangalore

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Dear all,

For your information,

(As recorded here: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Announcements/2014-2015)

*Wikimedia India Chapter Announcement*


The Board meeting conducted via telecon on 10th September night has decided
to present their intention to participate in this discussion and nominate
the following in their own personal capacity as well as representatives of
the Wikimedia India Chapter.
Delegates

   1. Jayata Nath, President (Kolkata)
   2. Viswanathan Prabhakaran, Treasurer (Thrissur, Kerala)
   3. Sowmyan Tirumurti, Executive Manager (Bangalore)
   4. Kartik Nadar, Board Member (Mumbai)
   5. Nikita Belavate, Board Member (Mumbai)
   6. Dr. B. Ekbal, Board Member (Kottayam, Kerala)
   7. Nikhil Kawle, Board Member ( Bangalore)

(It is expected that Radhakrishna Arvapally, Secretary, may not be able to
take part in this meeting as he continues to be on an official trip abroad
during these dates.)
Venue

The EC has further affirmed its preference to conduct the consultancy
meeting at *Bangalore*,considering various logistic and infrastructural
merits.

Thank you.

(For Execeutive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter),
Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Treasurer


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 We have confirmed the dates of the consultation: *October 4th and 5th* 
 (weekend).
  If you haven't do so yet, please do give some thought to the *Delegates*
 and *Venue* sections of the organization page:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014

 I hope some community conversations about delegates are taking place.  As
 I said 5 days ago, we'd rather have communities nominate delegates, than to
 have to select people ourselves.

 For communities that do not come up with community nominations, we will be
 selecting people on the basis of proxy measures such as levels of
 engagement on wiki, on lists, and good standing (not banned etc.), but this
 may well not be the optimal delegates from the community's standpoint.

Asaf



 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Hello again, everyone.
 (I would appreciate forwarding/translation, again)

 I hope discussions are underway about nominating delegates for this
 meeting, as we will need to begin arranging logistics in a couple of weeks.

 In the meantime, one of you anonymously offered comments on the talk
 page, and I have now addressed them, here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014

 I'm particularly calling out to your attention that the meeting is *not*
 expected to *set* the future of work in India, or to bind communities
 into accepting whatever is agreed upon at the meeting.  On the contrary, it
 is a *joint visioning* and strategizing meeting, whose final output,
 ideally, would be a roadmap, a set of proposals, and a shared understanding
 of different possible roles of organizations and informal structures in
 India, all of which would be *offered* back, on-wiki, to the communities
 to discuss and develop further, or not.

 Some communities may embrace some of the ideas, others may object or just
 choose not to adopt them for now, and others still may struggle to even
 have that kind of conversation.  All of these outcomes are valid, and we
 are decidedly not looking for (another) one-size-fits-all strategy for all
 of India.

 Please do visit the page and help us decide the venue and begin building
 the participant list.  We would much rather have communities nominate, as
 well as individuals self-nominate, to participate, than having to select
 whom to invite ourselves (though of course we would do that to ensure
 minimal representation, if we need to).

 Thanks,

Asaf


 On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Dear fellow Wikimedians,

 (this is important and a rare opportunity -- please do take a few
 moments to read.)

 I would like to draw your attention to a major piece of news:

 The Wikimedia Foundation is convening a community consultation on the
 future of Wikimedia work in India, to be held in October in Bangalore, with
 significant representation from across India, the different projects, and
 the different language communities.

 Please see the following page on Meta for details, context, and to begin
 discussion the delegates you would like to see participating.  All costs
 will be borne by the Foundation.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Community_Consultation_2014

 Let's try and keep discussion on the talk page of that page on Meta, so
 everyone can follow, even people not on this list.

 Also, your help in forward this widely, translating as necessary, etc.,
 would be MUCH appreciated.  Again, this is an important opportunity, and we
 need to ensure we get every community's attention.

 I look forward to this conversation very much!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] fyi: chapter wiki getting spammed

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Yes, indeed, we do have some infesting of spam IDs within the public wiki.

Right now, I am in the process of clearing out the spam accounts. However,
this has to be done extremely carefully without losing any of the actual
edit efforts anyone may have spared.

At one point of time, we had more than 70,000 spammed accounts, but I was
able to clean almost all of them in a few batches.
After that, due to various reasons, there existed a time, I had to be away
from the Wiki(tech) housekeeping.

Just now, we do have some 5000+ spam accounts, which will be cleaned out in
a matter of one or two days.

Thanks for the notification, Asaf.

-Viswam




On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 AFAIK, viswa was handling such technical stuff earlier.
 On 05-Sep-2014 11:34 pm, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi.

 FYI (I'm not sure who admins the wiki, hence e-mailing the list), the
 chapter wiki seems to be getting actively spammed with fake new user
 accounts and commercial content on the user pages:


 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangeslimit=500days=30

 Not urgent, but someone should probably take some steps along the lines
 set out in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam

 Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

2014-09-13 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:


 If we are looking at any sort of unity, lets first pick out our own faults
 before pointing the finger at others.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Chapter membership drive

2014-09-13 Thread Sagar Markal
Dear Sowmyan,
What about our membership?
It is not yet active.

Dont know what is issues after submitting required documents.

Thank You
Sagar Markal


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Sowmyan Tirumurti tsowm...@wikimedia.in
wrote:

 Dear Wikimedians,

 The membership enrollment drive is on. Kindly send your membership /
 renewal applications before June 30. For membership details please see:

 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Membership-FAQ

 Those who sent in a id proof need not send again. We prefer NEFT transfer
 through bank rather than cheques.

 The AGM is tentatively scheduled for August 16, 2014. The Secretary will
 send a formal communication soon.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Earth India results

2014-09-13 Thread Abhirami G
I don't have any problem either. Thanks, Ade! :)

Best regards,
Abhirami.

On 12 September 2014 02:59, Adethya Sudarsanan adethyas...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Mykola,

 Personally, I have no problems in having these results published in
 Commons, unless Abihirami prefers it that way.

 Thanks,
 Ade S


 On Friday, 12 September 2014, Mykola Kozlenko mycol...@ukr.net wrote:

 Hi Adethya,

  Can I publish these results on Commons? Or do you prefer not to
 announce the winners publicly at the moment?

  Thanks
  Mykola

 11 вересня 2014, 08:51:14, від Adethya Sudarsanan adethyas...@gmail.com
 :

  Hi Mykola,

 Please find attached document containing list of images URL - that have
 been shortlisted from India.

 Let me know if any other information is required.

 Thanks,
 Ade S

 On 10 September 2014 16:01, Mykola Kozlenko mycol...@ukr.net wrote:

 Hi,

 If you want to announce these results somewhere, you can publish them on
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014/Finalists

 If you do not want to announce these results in the moment (for example,
 you want to announce them only during the award ceremony), please send the
 list of 10 URLs to me by mail.

 Best regards
 Mykola Kozlenko (User:NickK)
 WLE International / Wikimedia Ukraine

 --- Оригінальне повідомлення ---
 Від кого: Abhirami G abhirami...@gmail.com
 Дата: 10 вересня 2014, 07:56:33

 Hi,

 We have nominated the top ten images from Wiki Loves Earth India.  How
 can we send these results to you?

 I apologise for the extreme delay.

 Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikiml-l] Fwd: Wiki Loves Earth winners in India

2014-09-13 Thread Abhirami G
Hi all,

I'm one of the organisers (Clockery) and while I haven't been able to do
much as regards WLE apart from beginning it, I would like to help finish it
off.

Ade, assuming that no one else volunteers, it would be nice if you could
help. As far as I know, the only person who actually contributed photos was
Manojk, so it should be relatively easy.

Best regards,
Abhirami.

On Tuesday, 9 September 2014, Adethya Sudarsanan adethyas...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi, I have been on the jury for Wiki loves public art as a part of
 wikimedia Sverige.

 I would love to be on the jury to choose photos from India.

 Let me know if I can be of any assistance

 Best,
 Ade

 On Tuesday, 9 September 2014, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 FYI

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswapra...@wikimedia.in
 *Date:* 8 September 2014 23:23:58 IST
 *To:* wikim...@lists.wikimedia.org, Manoj Karingamadathil 
 manojkmohanme03...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* *[Wikiml-l] Fwd: Wiki Loves Earth winners in India*
 *Reply-To:* viswapra...@wikimedia.in, Malayalam Wikimedia Project
 Mailing list wikim...@lists.wikimedia.org


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Mykola Kozlenko mycol...@ukr.net
 Date: Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:00 AM
 Subject: Wiki Loves Earth winners in India
 To: karthik...@wikimedia.in, jaya...@wikimedia.in, arkris...@wikimedia.in,
 viswapra...@wikimedia.in, nikita...@wikimedia.in


 Dear Board members of Wikimedia India,

 I am a member of Wiki Loves Earth international team, and I am contacting
 you concerning the winners of Wiki Loves Earth in India.

 The issue is that we are going to submit all national winners of Wiki
 Loves Earth to the international jury pretty soon (approximately 10-15
 September), and we still have no information about winners from India
 (winners from other countries can be found here:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014/Finalists ).
 At the moment India is the only country without any activity: among
 countries without list of winners there the Netherlands already have a list
 of winners but just don't want to publish it, while Ghana already has an
 active jury and will have their top-10 photos in just a few days.

 Unfortunately, both organisers of WLE in India (
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014_in_India )
 seem to be inactive at the moment, and Clockery (main organiser) seems to
 be a 14-year old girl who is busy at school and who can use only her
 mother's computer, thus we are not sure she had really contacted anyone to
 form the Indian jury.

 Could you please do any of the following:
 * try to reach any of local organisers (Clockery or Manojk) and help them
 reaching jury members and organising top 10 selection. I do not know if you
 have any contacts of these users however - they have not responded to our
 emails, and I am not sure they are more active on their home wikis...
 * find some people to form an Indian jury yourselves and submit top-10
 Indian photos for the international contest. Given that India is already
 very late, you can form a jury of virtually anyone who can evaluate quality
 of pictures (even a group of chapter members would be fine)
 * if you are lacking jury members - we may try to find some people to
 help you (e.g. we can ask some Commons administrators or active
 photographers who are not participating in the international jury). But
 please write us as soon as possible if you will need some additional people
 for the Indian jury.

 In any case we hope that you will be able to submit winners pretty soon
 (you have just 526 photos, not that great deal) - in at most a week, until
 15 September - otherwise we may have to proceed without Indian images,
 which will mean Indians will not be able to be in the international top.

 Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

 Best regards,
 Mykola Kozlenko (User:NickK)
 WLE International / Wikimedia Ukraine

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Future of Work in India: Bangalore it is

2014-09-13 Thread Abhinav Garule
Dear Asaf,

Considering the vote count before the midnight of 10th of September Mumbai
was the prefrred location for meeting.
Vote count
Mumbai - 20
Bangalore - 18
(Before Midnight, 10th of Sept.)

History:-
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014action=history
(*some votes added this morning)

And some Board Members
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Announcements/2014-2015 (List)
have casted their votes for the location.
Board Members Vote count
Bangalore:- 1
Mumbai:- 1

And 2 Board Members are from Mumbai. So we can consider count for Mumbai as
3.

Kindly consider it as query regarding Preferred Location for meeting and
let us know your views on it.


Thanks  Regards,
Abhinav Garule.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello, everyone.

 This is to inform everyone that the community consultation planned for Oct
 4th-5th will be held in *Bangalore*.

 See here:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014#Venue_choice

 I will be following up in the coming day or so with more information on
 confirmed attendees, taking community nominations into account.

 Thanks,

Asaf
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Future of Work in India: Bangalore it is

2014-09-13 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Abhinav,

I don't think they asked for the community input to decide the
location for the consultation, that seems to have sprung up on its own
somehow. The idea was always that it would be in either of the two
cities and people would be supported to come for the Consultation by
the WMF if needed.

There are a few people who have been nominated by other community
members and were neither self-nominated nor community nominated.

warm regards,
Pradep

On 12 September 2014 11:57, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Asaf,

 Considering the vote count before the midnight of 10th of September Mumbai
 was the prefrred location for meeting.
 Vote count
 Mumbai - 20
 Bangalore - 18
 (Before Midnight, 10th of Sept.)

 History:-
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014action=history
 (*some votes added this morning)

 And some Board Members (List) have casted their votes for the location.
 Board Members Vote count
 Bangalore:- 1
 Mumbai:- 1

 And 2 Board Members are from Mumbai. So we can consider count for Mumbai as
 3.

 Kindly consider it as query regarding Preferred Location for meeting and let
 us know your views on it.


 Thanks  Regards,
 Abhinav Garule.

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello, everyone.

 This is to inform everyone that the community consultation planned for Oct
 4th-5th will be held in Bangalore.

 See here:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Community_Consultation_2014#Venue_choice

 I will be following up in the coming day or so with more information on
 confirmed attendees, taking community nominations into account.

 Thanks,

Asaf
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please use the appropriate forums (Was: Re: Fwd: WMIN shutdown ?)

2014-09-13 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Sudhanwa,

I think you have your answer here:

 Even before your mail, I had already decided not to reply anymore or
 languish within this thread, unnecessary and quite out of place. My earlier
 responses were only to clarify on the points raised which were addressed, by
 name, to me.

All,

I think that the questions that Sudhanwa had raised earlier have merit
and need answering. Given the circumstances, I think we should give
the EC some more time to get themselves acquainted with the situation
before they can answer the questions raised. I hope the Chapter EC
will consider the questions and answer them, perhaps after the WMF
India Community Consultation in October, 2014?

warm regards,
Pradeep

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[Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN EC in minority

2014-09-13 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
To the remaining EC members,
This is with reference to recent changes in the chapter.

1. As Viswa pointed out in the MoA, membership runs during the fiscal year,
ie April to March. Thereafter, a 3 month grace period is given to reinstate
membership. It is noted that Nikita Belavate did not renew her membership
as on 1st of July, hence ceasing to be a member of the chapter. This was
the first EC member lost. Sowmyan notified the EC of this in the first week
of July itself.

2. On 27th August, Pranav and Moksh resigned from the EC. This was the
second and third EC member loss out of seven.

3. An EC meeting was held on 31st August. Certain resolutions were passed
regarding coopting a new member and appointing new office bearers etc.
However a non EC member, Nikita, who ceased to be an EC member as of 1st
July due to non renewal of membership was allowed to participate by the
Chair, thus making both the meetings and resolutions illegal, null and void.

4. I resigned on the 3rd of September, making it the loss of EC member
number 4. As per the MoA, Article VII, 1c, the board needs to have a
minimum quorum of 4 members to function, hence with only 3 EC members left
(Jayanta, Karthik, Karthik), no meeting can be held and no resolution can
be passed.

5. Since the chapter is now in a limbo, I suggest that the three EC members
now contact the Registrar of Societies, Government of Karnataka and ask
them to appoint an administrator to conduct the Annual General Meeting and
elections As Soon As Possible and run the organisation in the interim.

6. WMF employees, please take note that the Chapter EC is in minority and
cannot take any decision at the moment.

P.S: I understand a few days after the renewal of membership, Nikita put in
a fresh application for membership. However, it was not put up to the EC
prior to my leaving. Since the EC is now in minority, it cannot approve
hers or any other new applications until elections are held. If an
administrator is appointed by the Registrar of Societies, the administrator
would have the power to approve new applications.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN EC in minority

2014-09-13 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
Dear All,
On behalf of the EC, I would wait for at least three senior members
(respectable to me)  of this list to opine here if this mail qualifies for
a reply here in this exact forum or not. Until then, kindly avoid believing
in the contorted interpretations expressed in the same.

Thank you.


-Viswam

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 To the remaining EC members,
 This is with reference to recent changes in the chapter.

 1. As Viswa pointed out in the MoA, membership runs during the fiscal
 year, ie April to March. Thereafter, a 3 month grace period is given to
 reinstate membership. It is noted that Nikita Belavate did not renew her
 membership as on 1st of July, hence ceasing to be a member of the chapter.
 This was the first EC member lost. Sowmyan notified the EC of this in the
 first week of July itself.

 2. On 27th August, Pranav and Moksh resigned from the EC. This was the
 second and third EC member loss out of seven.

 3. An EC meeting was held on 31st August. Certain resolutions were passed
 regarding coopting a new member and appointing new office bearers etc.
 However a non EC member, Nikita, who ceased to be an EC member as of 1st
 July due to non renewal of membership was allowed to participate by the
 Chair, thus making both the meetings and resolutions illegal, null and void.

 4. I resigned on the 3rd of September, making it the loss of EC member
 number 4. As per the MoA, Article VII, 1c, the board needs to have a
 minimum quorum of 4 members to function, hence with only 3 EC members left
 (Jayanta, Karthik, Karthik), no meeting can be held and no resolution can
 be passed.

 5. Since the chapter is now in a limbo, I suggest that the three EC
 members now contact the Registrar of Societies, Government of Karnataka and
 ask them to appoint an administrator to conduct the Annual General Meeting
 and elections As Soon As Possible and run the organisation in the interim.

 6. WMF employees, please take note that the Chapter EC is in minority and
 cannot take any decision at the moment.

 P.S: I understand a few days after the renewal of membership, Nikita put
 in a fresh application for membership. However, it was not put up to the EC
 prior to my leaving. Since the EC is now in minority, it cannot approve
 hers or any other new applications until elections are held. If an
 administrator is appointed by the Registrar of Societies, the administrator
 would have the power to approve new applications.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN EC in minority

2014-09-13 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Srikanth is referring to the cessation of membership as a result of
non-payment of fees. It is placed as under, from Article V, 2:

By failing to pay annual membership fees of the Society by the end of
the third month from the start of the Fiscal Year for which said fees
were due; in such cases membership may be reinstated upon payment of
fees, in case of all members.

Srikanth interprets this to mean that once you do not pay your
membership dues by June 30 (for which Sowmyan also sent several emails
to this list, alerting on the members list as well) you are no longer
a member of the Chapter.

This has happened to me as well. I have lost membership number 52 due
to non-renewal and when I re-applied, the membership number allotted
to me was in the 280s in 2012/3. The Chapter has hence had this
practice since 2013 at least, if not earlier. Hence, once the member
pays the fees, it is treated as a fresh membership application and not
as a renewal. Also, the fresh membership application has to be
approved by the Executive Committee, which also acts as something akin
to the Membership Committee in other non-profits.

From Viswam's emails to this list, I think he has interpreted this
rule to apply that once the person pays the membership fees,
membership is considered as renewed and not as a fresh application.

EC, I would suggest that you consult your legal aide and Sowmyan on
the interpretation of this clause and also it's interpretation in
practice thus far. I would think that it is in the best interests of
the Chapter to clear this at the earliest.

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas





On 13 September 2014 21:06, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)
viswapra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear All,
 On behalf of the EC, I would wait for at least three senior members
 (respectable to me)  of this list to opine here if this mail qualifies for a
 reply here in this exact forum or not. Until then, kindly avoid believing in
 the contorted interpretations expressed in the same.

 Thank you.


 -Viswam

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 To the remaining EC members,
 This is with reference to recent changes in the chapter.

 1. As Viswa pointed out in the MoA, membership runs during the fiscal
 year, ie April to March. Thereafter, a 3 month grace period is given to
 reinstate membership. It is noted that Nikita Belavate did not renew her
 membership as on 1st of July, hence ceasing to be a member of the chapter.
 This was the first EC member lost. Sowmyan notified the EC of this in the
 first week of July itself.

 2. On 27th August, Pranav and Moksh resigned from the EC. This was the
 second and third EC member loss out of seven.

 3. An EC meeting was held on 31st August. Certain resolutions were passed
 regarding coopting a new member and appointing new office bearers etc.
 However a non EC member, Nikita, who ceased to be an EC member as of 1st
 July due to non renewal of membership was allowed to participate by the
 Chair, thus making both the meetings and resolutions illegal, null and void.

 4. I resigned on the 3rd of September, making it the loss of EC member
 number 4. As per the MoA, Article VII, 1c, the board needs to have a minimum
 quorum of 4 members to function, hence with only 3 EC members left (Jayanta,
 Karthik, Karthik), no meeting can be held and no resolution can be passed.

 5. Since the chapter is now in a limbo, I suggest that the three EC
 members now contact the Registrar of Societies, Government of Karnataka and
 ask them to appoint an administrator to conduct the Annual General Meeting
 and elections As Soon As Possible and run the organisation in the interim.

 6. WMF employees, please take note that the Chapter EC is in minority and
 cannot take any decision at the moment.

 P.S: I understand a few days after the renewal of membership, Nikita put
 in a fresh application for membership. However, it was not put up to the EC
 prior to my leaving. Since the EC is now in minority, it cannot approve hers
 or any other new applications until elections are held. If an administrator
 is appointed by the Registrar of Societies, the administrator would have the
 power to approve new applications.


 --
 Regards,
 Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
 What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce
 back.

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 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rsrikanth05/Project_56

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