Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 AndrewRT : > Article 17 on its own does, unfortunately, give different rules for > existing directors vs. new candidates. This clause was based on the > default articles which, as you remember when they were drafted, > generally gave more power to directors and less to members than we > were happy. We changed other bits but not this one. Ick. And the Articles can't easily be amended. I still don't think it's as big a problem as it appears on the surface, however - Article 17 is not an exhaustive list of criteria for candidates, and as long as the Election Rules don't allow members other than those covered by Art 17.2 to become candidates, the Rules are not in conflict with the Articles even if the Rules allow only one of the two parts of 17.2 to be candidates. Essentially, "No person may be appointed a Director at any general meeting unless " does not imply "all may be appointed a Director at a general meeting". ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Michael Peel : > That said, I can see how information on the candidates is useful to > other candidates - for example, what goes into candidate statements. > An alternative approach might be to do something similar to the last > elections, having candidate statements etc. on a wiki page, although > this would have to be done informally. Or candidate statements could > be sent solely to the teller(s) separate from the rest of the > information. Perhaps a suitable compromise would be a page somewhere (would have to be non-wiki though, unless edit permissions can be severely restricted) where the Teller(s) could list the names of candidates whose applications have been received, and whether they have been accepted or rejected. This still gives a little too much information to all potential candidates than I would be entirely happy with, but it would enable the Board to verify that the Teller(s) is/are doing his/her/their job without granting a subset of potential candidates information unavailable to others. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
I personally hope that all the current directors who want to stand again will put themselves through the same procedures as everyone else. I certainly intend to. As James says, otherwise they have the advantage of knowing who else is standing before anyone else does and that gives them an unfair advantage. I think it would not be a good impression to give. Article 17 on its own does, unfortunately, give different rules for existing directors vs. new candidates. This clause was based on the default articles which, as you remember when they were drafted, generally gave more power to directors and less to members than we were happy. We changed other bits but not this one. The Election Rules outline a single process with no distinction between existing directors and new directors. If an existing director put their name forward at the last minute it would be a nightmare working out if it was legal or not and hard to administer - what would you do with all the proxy votes who had already voted in advance? I'm also not sure what advantage there would be in sending the information on candidates to the Board (or even just to the company secretary). The Board is still overseeing the election - they appoint the tellers after all - can't they just delegate it to them? Andrew On Jan 24, 10:56 pm, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/24 Michael Peel : > > > On 24 Jan 2009, at 21:53, James Farrar wrote: > > >> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > >>> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : > Hi all, > > We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the > chapter by > volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would > want one or > two people who could manage the process from start to end: > > - receiving candidates applications by email > > >>> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those > >>> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all > >>> this > >>> at the end of the day. > > >> I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... > > > Is there a reason why the information can't be cc'd to all directors? > > My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a > candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or > potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing > negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and this > is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is > getting this information. > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.orghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
On 24 Jan 2009, at 23:06, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/1/24 James Farrar : >>> My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a >>> candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or >>> potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing >>> negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and >>> this >>> is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is >>> getting this information. >> >> I don't think you can keep that kind of information from the board. >> The board are responsible for holding the AGM and running the >> election >> correctly, they need to know what is going on. > > Then why appoint a Teller or Tellers independent of the Board? Because the board members, if standing for re-election, have a vested interest in the outcome. An independent person taking the lead in the election helps avoid that vested interest becoming a problem. At the same time, the board needs to be sure that everything is going correctly and smoothly with the election. That said, I can see how information on the candidates is useful to other candidates - for example, what goes into candidate statements. An alternative approach might be to do something similar to the last elections, having candidate statements etc. on a wiki page, although this would have to be done informally. Or candidate statements could be sent solely to the teller(s) separate from the rest of the information. Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/1/24 James Farrar : >> My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a >> candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or >> potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing >> negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and this >> is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is >> getting this information. > > I don't think you can keep that kind of information from the board. > The board are responsible for holding the AGM and running the election > correctly, they need to know what is going on. Then why appoint a Teller or Tellers independent of the Board? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 James Farrar : > My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a > candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or > potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing > negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and this > is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is > getting this information. I don't think you can keep that kind of information from the board. The board are responsible for holding the AGM and running the election correctly, they need to know what is going on. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Michael Peel : > > On 24 Jan 2009, at 21:53, James Farrar wrote: > >> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >>> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : Hi all, We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or two people who could manage the process from start to end: - receiving candidates applications by email >>> >>> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those >>> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all >>> this >>> at the end of the day. >> >> I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... > > Is there a reason why the information can't be cc'd to all directors? My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and this is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is getting this information. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 James Farrar : > 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/1/24 James Farrar : >>> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : > Hi all, > > We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by > volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or > two people who could manage the process from start to end: > > - receiving candidates applications by email You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all this at the end of the day. >>> >>> I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... >> >> I don't see any benefit to the Director is they are. They don't need >> to decide whether or not to stand until the day, and as long as they >> aren't the only person receiving the notifications they can't >> "accidentally" lose the email and not let the person stand. > > Well, the latter would be the responsibility of the Teller, as I read > it - and as for the former, the relationship between Article 17.2 and > the Election Rules is confused, to say the least. On further reading, actually, I'm not sure it is confused. What is the basis for saying that current Directors "don't need to decide whether or not to stand until the day [of the AGM, presumably]"? Art 17.2 (a) would seem to be rendered moot by the Election Rules, which don't actually contradict it. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/1/24 James Farrar : >> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >>> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : Hi all, We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or two people who could manage the process from start to end: - receiving candidates applications by email >>> >>> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those >>> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all this >>> at the end of the day. >> >> I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... > > I don't see any benefit to the Director is they are. They don't need > to decide whether or not to stand until the day, and as long as they > aren't the only person receiving the notifications they can't > "accidentally" lose the email and not let the person stand. Well, the latter would be the responsibility of the Teller, as I read it - and as for the former, the relationship between Article 17.2 and the Election Rules is confused, to say the least. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
On 24 Jan 2009, at 21:53, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the >>> chapter by >>> volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would >>> want one or >>> two people who could manage the process from start to end: >>> >>> - receiving candidates applications by email >> >> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those >> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all >> this >> at the end of the day. > > I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... Is there a reason why the information can't be cc'd to all directors? Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 James Farrar : > 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by >>> volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or >>> two people who could manage the process from start to end: >>> >>> - receiving candidates applications by email >> >> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those >> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all this >> at the end of the day. > > I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... I don't see any benefit to the Director is they are. They don't need to decide whether or not to stand until the day, and as long as they aren't the only person receiving the notifications they can't "accidentally" lose the email and not let the person stand. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
2009/1/24 AndrewRT : > I've started a wiki page here: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Copyright_consultation > so we can coordinate our input. > Added draft version of my response. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : >> Hi all, >> >> We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by >> volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or >> two people who could manage the process from start to end: >> >> - receiving candidates applications by email > > You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those > emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all this > at the end of the day. I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
I've started a wiki page here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Copyright_consultation so we can coordinate our input. On Jan 24, 8:35 pm, geni wrote: > 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > > > 2009/1/24 AndrewRT : > >> On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey wrote: > >>> The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a > >>> Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: > > >>>http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not... > > >>> and the deadline for responses is 6th February. > > >> Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone > >> who could help put one together? > > > Yes. Don't know. > > Well I'll throw up what I'm planning to write and you can see if you > like it enough to try modify it. > > -- > geni > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.orghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : > Hi all, > > We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by > volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or > two people who could manage the process from start to end: > > - receiving candidates applications by email You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all this at the end of the day. (Perhaps someone could make a tell...@wikimedia.org.uk mailing list?) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/1/24 AndrewRT : >> On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey wrote: >>> The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a >>> Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: >>> >>> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not... >>> >>> and the deadline for responses is 6th February. >> >> Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone >> who could help put one together? > > Yes. Don't know. Well I'll throw up what I'm planning to write and you can see if you like it enough to try modify it. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
2009/1/24 AndrewRT : > On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey wrote: >> The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a >> Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: >> >> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not... >> >> and the deadline for responses is 6th February. > > Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone > who could help put one together? Yes. Don't know. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
Looking at easyspace.com: Taken: wiki.org wiki.org.uk wiki.com wiki.co.uk (but for sale) wikiuk.com wikiuk.co.uk Available: wikiuk.org wikiuk.org.uk wiki-uk.org wiki-uk.co.uk wiki-uk.com wiki-uk.org.uk On Jan 24, 5:28 pm, Michael Peel wrote: > I've raised a similar point to this with Mike, and I would be > extremely surprised if they decided that the wikimedia domains > shouldn't be controlled by the appropriate chapter. > > wiki.org.uk seems to be registered by Mintra (mintra.co.uk), although > it doesn't seem to host a website. wiki.co.uk is registered by D M > Robins Limited, but requires a password to access the site. As we > don't have a trademark for "Wiki", I would imagine that they'd be > difficult to get hold of; at the least we should probably wait until > we've got the website set up before contacting the owners about them. > > Mike > > On 24 Jan 2009, at 16:55, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > > >> Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia > >> Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and > >> ideally, where we own the domain name. > > >> If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's > >> very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly > >> considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK > >> should not host its information on this domain and should seek to > >> register a different one - maybehttp://www.wiki.org.uk/? > > >> Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but > >> where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a > >> particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content > >> but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership > >> would not be particularly helpful. > > >> Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it. > > > I agree, it is far from ideal to have our website on a domain we don't > > own. Even if we do get control of wikimedia.org.uk, we should probably > > try and get wiki.org.uk as well and redirect it (since we are Wiki UK > > Ltd.). > > > ___ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > >http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.orghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey wrote: > The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a > Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not... > > and the deadline for responses is 6th February. Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone who could help put one together? Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey : > The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a > Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: > > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-notice-2008-consultation.htm > > and the deadline for responses is 6th February. > > Andrew Hmm I'll send them a response this weekend. "Q. Does the current system provide the right balance between commercial certainty and the rights of creators and creative artist? Are creative artists sufficiently rewarded/protected through their existing rights?" I suspect that is probably related to looking to extend the 50 year term on recordings. FWIW as far as wikipedia is concerned no since database rights produce significant commercial certainty while reducing the rights of of creators and creative artists. "Q. Does the current copyright system provide the right incentives to sustain investment and support creativity? Is this true for both creative artists and commercial rights holders? Is this true for physical and online exploitation? Are those who gain value from content paying for it (on fair and reasonable terms)?" Not sure what they are getting at here. ISP action against file sharing? "Q. What action, if any, is needed to address issues related to authentication? In considering the rights of creative artists and other rights holders is there a case for differentiation? If so, how might we avoid introducing a further complication in an already complicated world?" At a guess I'd say this is related to the orphan works issue and looking to adopt the "disenfranchise the little guy" approach. Either that or DRM. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
[Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright
The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-notice-2008-consultation.htm and the deadline for responses is 6th February. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
I've raised a similar point to this with Mike, and I would be extremely surprised if they decided that the wikimedia domains shouldn't be controlled by the appropriate chapter. wiki.org.uk seems to be registered by Mintra (mintra.co.uk), although it doesn't seem to host a website. wiki.co.uk is registered by D M Robins Limited, but requires a password to access the site. As we don't have a trademark for "Wiki", I would imagine that they'd be difficult to get hold of; at the least we should probably wait until we've got the website set up before contacting the owners about them. Mike On 24 Jan 2009, at 16:55, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia >> Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and >> ideally, where we own the domain name. >> >> If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's >> very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly >> considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK >> should not host its information on this domain and should seek to >> register a different one - maybe http://www.wiki.org.uk/? >> >> Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but >> where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a >> particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content >> but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership >> would not be particularly helpful. >> >> Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it. > > I agree, it is far from ideal to have our website on a domain we don't > own. Even if we do get control of wikimedia.org.uk, we should probably > try and get wiki.org.uk as well and redirect it (since we are Wiki UK > Ltd.). > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
[Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes
Hi all, We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the chapter by volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would want one or two people who could manage the process from start to end: - receiving candidates applications by email - checking candidates qualify (e.g. they are over 16 and have filled out the form correctly) - sending out the ballot papers to voters with the candidate statements - receiving postal votes back in - attending the AGM (which is expected to be at Birmingham University on a Sunday around mid March) to receive physical votes - counting the votes and announcing the results The only restriction on who can be a teller is that they cannot be a candidate for the Board. Other than that, we would welcome all volunteers. The full details are set out in the Election Rules that were adopted at the last Board meeting and are set out here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1355885 Please let me know if you would like to volunteer to do this for the chapter. If you would like to volunteer but can't do all the parts please contact me and we will try to work something out! Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
> Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia > Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and > ideally, where we own the domain name. > > If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's > very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly > considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK > should not host its information on this domain and should seek to > register a different one - maybe http://www.wiki.org.uk/? > > Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but > where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a > particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content > but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership > would not be particularly helpful. > > Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it. I agree, it is far from ideal to have our website on a domain we don't own. Even if we do get control of wikimedia.org.uk, we should probably try and get wiki.org.uk as well and redirect it (since we are Wiki UK Ltd.). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
On Jan 24, 12:45 pm, Michael Peel wrote: > On 24 Jan 2009, at 12:37, Gordon Joly wrote: > > > At 11:27 + 21/1/09, Michael Peel wrote: > >> Chris, > > >> I assume you meanhttp://www.wikimedia.org.uk/? > > >> We're currently waiting for the WMF to set up a wiki for WMUK, which > >> we hope will be done imminently; the website will then be brought up > >> to date fairly rapidly. We also don't currently have control of the > >> domain names; we've requested that they be transferred from the > >> current owner, but haven't heard anything back from him yet. I guess > >> it depends on how long the WMF takes to set up the wiki as to whether > >> it's worth replacing the content on the current website yet, although > >> a note that the pages are out of date might be useful regardless... > > I've now heard back from James (he was away), and he's raised a good > point about whether the WMF or WMUK should have control of these > domains and the other UK domains for the WMF's trademarks. I've been > in contact with Mike Godwin about this; discussions are ongoing. Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and ideally, where we own the domain name. If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK should not host its information on this domain and should seek to register a different one - maybe http://www.wiki.org.uk/? Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership would not be particularly helpful. Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
> I've now heard back from James (he was away), and he's raised a good > point about whether the WMF or WMUK should have control of these > domains and the other UK domains for the WMF's trademarks. I've been > in contact with Mike Godwin about this; discussions are ongoing. It doesn't make a great deal of difference, I guess. We have the trademark license (or at least will do soon), so I don't see why we can't have the domain name. > With the website, the limiting factor is still getting the wiki set > up, as I expect we can get the domain names repointed fairly easily. > There's been no progress with the request yet, though. There has been progress - I nudged Brion and he's delegated it to someone, so hopefully they'll do it soon. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania 2010 - We need to get to work
2009/1/24 Gordon Joly : > > Is anybody sure when the "credit crunch" will end, and indeed what > will the value of the Euro be (against the pound and the US dollar > etc) over the next year or so? Nope! Hopefully we'll be through to worst of it by summer 2010, though. No way to know what the exchange rates will be. > It would seem to me that planning any event in 2010 will need some nerve! I don't think we need to worry too much, it's not like the rest of the world is doing much better. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
On 24 Jan 2009, at 12:37, Gordon Joly wrote: > At 11:27 + 21/1/09, Michael Peel wrote: >> Chris, >> >> I assume you mean http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ ? >> >> We're currently waiting for the WMF to set up a wiki for WMUK, which >> we hope will be done imminently; the website will then be brought up >> to date fairly rapidly. We also don't currently have control of the >> domain names; we've requested that they be transferred from the >> current owner, but haven't heard anything back from him yet. I guess >> it depends on how long the WMF takes to set up the wiki as to whether >> it's worth replacing the content on the current website yet, although >> a note that the pages are out of date might be useful regardless... >> >> Thanks, >> Mike > > > Perhaps James is waiting for the renewal? I've now heard back from James (he was away), and he's raised a good point about whether the WMF or WMUK should have control of these domains and the other UK domains for the WMF's trademarks. I've been in contact with Mike Godwin about this; discussions are ongoing. With the website, the limiting factor is still getting the wiki set up, as I expect we can get the domain names repointed fairly easily. There's been no progress with the request yet, though. Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
At 11:27 + 21/1/09, Michael Peel wrote: >Chris, > >I assume you mean http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ ? > >We're currently waiting for the WMF to set up a wiki for WMUK, which >we hope will be done imminently; the website will then be brought up >to date fairly rapidly. We also don't currently have control of the >domain names; we've requested that they be transferred from the >current owner, but haven't heard anything back from him yet. I guess >it depends on how long the WMF takes to set up the wiki as to whether >it's worth replacing the content on the current website yet, although >a note that the pages are out of date might be useful regardless... > >Thanks, >Mike Perhaps James is waiting for the renewal? :D Registered on: 12-Mar-2005 Renewal date: 12-Mar-2009 Last updated: 25-Jun-2007 Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania 2010 - We need to get to work
Is anybody sure when the "credit crunch" will end, and indeed what will the value of the Euro be (against the pound and the US dollar etc) over the next year or so? It would seem to me that planning any event in 2010 will need some nerve! Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
