Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
At 23:27 + 26/1/09, James Hardy wrote: 2009/1/26 Gordon Joly mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.comgordon.j...@pobox.com Could go for something in http://ltd.ukltd.uk (as well)? Nominet have strict rules on use of .http://ltd.ukltd.uk domains, and an algorithm for their generation The only two possibilities for Wiki UK Ltd are http://wikiuk.ltd.ukwikiuk.ltd.uk or http://wiki-uk.ltd.ukwiki-uk.ltd.uk; anything else fails their tests. As the intention is to trade as Wikimedia UK that would probably not be advisable as it could cause confusion amongst potential donors. Additionally as the .http://ltd.ukltd.uk second level is not as widely used, public awareness of it is very low. Use of less popular domains tends to cause problem with people filling in the blanks. Plenty of people complain to me that they get a bounce message when emailling me, only for me to discover they have attempted to email me at mailto:someth...@weebbiz.comsometh...@weebbiz.com or mailto:someth...@weeb.biz.co.uksometh...@weeb.biz.co.uk or some other mangled variation of my domain. James Thanks for that. And yes, the strict rules ensure that the company (and hence the charity later) would have a 100% watertight control over the domain. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM, AndrewRT ratur...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and ideally, where we own the domain name. Absolutely. Speaking not as a ChapCom-rep, but as a chapter president, if the WMF's approach is really as described in this thread, this leaves me completely baffled. All the other chapters, if I'm not very mistaken, own the wikimedia.xx domain in their country (unless, of course, stolen by a third party). If Wikimedia DE owns and controls wikimedia.de, Wikimedia France wikimedia.fr and Wikimedia CH wikimedia.ch (and I never heard any WMF objection to this state of affairs), then I see no reason why Wikimedia UK should not own wikimedia.org.uk (and wikimedia.co.uk if it wants to etc.) If their is continuous refusal on the WMF's part to give the chapter that domain, I would say this needs be raised at the Chapters Meeting in April. Regards, Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
I've raised a similar point to this with Mike, and I would be extremely surprised if they decided that the wikimedia domains shouldn't be controlled by the appropriate chapter. wiki.org.uk seems to be registered by Mintra (mintra.co.uk), although it doesn't seem to host a website. wiki.co.uk is registered by D M Robins Limited, but requires a password to access the site. As we don't have a trademark for Wiki, I would imagine that they'd be difficult to get hold of; at the least we should probably wait until we've got the website set up before contacting the owners about them. Mike On 24 Jan 2009, at 16:55, Thomas Dalton wrote: Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and ideally, where we own the domain name. If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK should not host its information on this domain and should seek to register a different one - maybe http://www.wiki.org.uk/? Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership would not be particularly helpful. Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it. I agree, it is far from ideal to have our website on a domain we don't own. Even if we do get control of wikimedia.org.uk, we should probably try and get wiki.org.uk as well and redirect it (since we are Wiki UK Ltd.). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org
Chris, I assume you mean http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ ? We're currently waiting for the WMF to set up a wiki for WMUK, which we hope will be done imminently; the website will then be brought up to date fairly rapidly. We also don't currently have control of the domain names; we've requested that they be transferred from the current owner, but haven't heard anything back from him yet. I guess it depends on how long the WMF takes to set up the wiki as to whether it's worth replacing the content on the current website yet, although a note that the pages are out of date might be useful regardless... Thanks, Mike On 21 Jan 2009, at 11:24, Chris McKenna wrote: Wikimediauk.org, the first hit on a google search for Wikimedia UK (with or without quotes) still refers to Wiki Educational Resources Ltd throughout, implies that one can still become a member / supporter of WER, that WER is the organisation with the license from the Wikimedia Foundation to trade as Wikimedia UK and use the Wikimedia Logo and other devices. Obviously this is all out of date and now factually incorrect. Even if a new website for Wiki UK is not ready yet, the wikimediauk.org domain should point to the pages on Meta (or wherever the up-to-date information is) Also, I'd like to ask for an update on the legal status of WER. -- Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
