Re: [Wikisource-l] Selection of the representative to the Wikimedia Summit

[David Cuenca Tudela]

I have just seen that the Wikisource Community User Group is not ready to
register because the report is not ready:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Eligibility_Criteria

But I have seen that Nicolas has expanded the report today:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2018_Report

Is there anything else to add?

Cheers,
Micru

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:10 PM Nicolas VIGNERON 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Some people ask me inprivate but that might interrest everybody:
> - you can candidate yourself or nominate someone else; in the second case,
> the proposed person must confirm he accept to be candidate
> - there is no threshold of number of contribution
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Last days to vote Wikisource tech proposals

[David Cuenca Tudela]

We got one proposal in! " Improve export of electronic books
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Wikisource/Improve_export_of_electronic_books>
"

Thanks to everyone who voted. Here there are the complete results:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 6:50 PM Orbilius Magister  wrote:

> Done!
>
> Il giorno mar 27 nov 2018 alle ore 22:55 David Cuenca Tudela <
> dacu...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> The Community Wishlist Survey 2019 period for voting proposals will end
>> on November 30th at 18:00 UTC. If you haven't voted yet, you can do so here:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Wikisource
>>
>> Regards,
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[Wikisource-l] Last days to vote Wikisource tech proposals

[David Cuenca Tudela]

The Community Wishlist Survey 2019 period for voting proposals will end on
November 30th at 18:00 UTC. If you haven't voted yet, you can do so here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Wikisource

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Recto/verso numbering through

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Thanks to Candalua, and thanks to you for the information. Very good news
indeed :)

Regards,
Micru

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon <
tho...@pellissier-tanon.fr> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Candalua has implemented a new feature for the Wikitext  tag. It
> is now possible to display automated recto/verso numbering.
>
> For example, if an index page uses "" the displayed
> page numbers are going to be "1", "2r", "2v", "3r", "3v".
>
> 3 new displays options are added: folio, folioroman, foliohighroman. These
> will assign a number to each leaf instead of each page, with the two sides
> labeled r for recto ("front") and v for verso ("back"). The first page in a
> range is assumed to be a recto.
>
> Examples:
> -> 1r 1v 2r 2v
>   -> ir iv iir iiv
>-> Ir Iv IIr IIv.
>
>
> The MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_pagenum_template special template takes now a
> new parameter "formatted" with a better formatted page number (e.g. with
> the "r" of recto and the "v" of verso in superscript).
>
>
> Many thanks to Candalua for having implemented this feature and made it
> merged as part of ProofreadPage.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] WMCON2018 report

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Thanks for sharing!

Cheers,
Micru

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON <
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm quite busy right now so sadly we won't be able to give a full report
> report of the Wikimedia Conference before next week (at best, there is so
> much to tell!).
>
> In the meantime, here two things to wait until the full report :
> - the notes taken during the meetup https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Thematic,_regional,_
> language-specific_meetups/Wikisource_Meetup (thank you Balajijagadesh !
> also Jayantanth, Econterms and everyone who was here)
> - the poster : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_-_
> WMCON2018_poster.pdf (feel free to send me comments)
>
> And no matter how busy I am, don't hesitate to contact me or to ask
> question ;)
>
> Cheers,
> ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Frankenstein's 200th birthday

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Unfortunately the earliest translation into Catalan of Frankenstein was in
1993 by Maria Antònia Oliver i Cabrer. So still some years until it is in
the public domain...

Regards,
Micru

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On fr.ws we have two editions :
> - 1821 with a scan ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q51434118 )
> - 1922 without scan (because it's not PD-France, just PD-US pre-1923 ;
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q51435158 )
>
> I left a message to ask for wikisorcerors to finish the proofreading of
> the first one.
>
> I will try to list all editions in French on
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q150827, feel free to do the same for your
> languages.
>
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[Wikisource-l] About the future of libraries

[David Cuenca Tudela]

This is an intersting piece on the future of libraries
https://medium.com/doteveryone/how-we-can-help-libraries-and-how-libraries-can-help-us-912b38ade2f0

It suggests that libraries become actively neutral spaces where information
can be accessed. It also discusses the role of libraries in the internet
age and how they can be part of it.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] The failure of the WScUg (Re: Scanner for you?)

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Guys,

Thanks for sharing your positive outlook with me!

If nothing else the community has worked in an unexpected way. I was able
to express my worries and concerns to all of you, and I was reasurred with
potential event chains that are not as grim as I had envisioned at first.

I feel grateful for your support. Specially to Aubrey, who heard me nagging
about the world yesterday night instead of enjoying his pizza Margarita
fully :)

Please keep me posted about Wikicite. I am really looking forward to new
ideas and approaches to all the big challenges that we are facing.

If one thing we have Wikisourcerors in common is that we are big dreamers,
and if we dream together I am sure we can reach even further.

Cheers to big dreams! :)
Micru

On May 9, 2017 2:51 AM, "Sam Wilson" <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:

> I don't think the WSUG has failed! It's still a great focal point for
> Wikisource discussions and activity. I talk about it whenever I can.
>
> I guess in some ways you're right though. For example, in the recent blog
> post https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/03/world-book-copyright-day/
> about how much "WIkipedia loves books" there was no mention of Wikisource.
> So there's still a way to go in raising Wikisource to the level of general
> consciousness (in people, I mean, not some self-aware book transcribing
> AI). But slowly, we get somewhere. I keep having conversations with people
> who haven't heard of Wikisource—but who now have, and who usually think it
> sounds good.
>
> I'm happy to be slow and steady. I strive to one day over-take Project
> Gutenberg! ;)
>
>
> On Mon, 8 May 2017, at 03:13 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to thank Carles for offering the scanner back to our community. In
> the Wikisource Community User Group sometimes believed that by creating an
> upper international organization, we would be able to affect the things
> happening at the base of our movement and at the top. But that has proved
> not to be true.
>
> The Wikisource Community User Group has failed to make a change in the
> world, and it is a pity, because we all seemed to share an understanding
> that our project would be very relevant for humanity.
>
> However, I have the strong feeling, and conviction that the approach we
> followed so far was totally wrong. And I want to acknowledge that general
> feeling. It is painful to accept, but to accept it will allow us to do
> things better in the future by relying more on the knowledge accumulated by
> chapters and thematic organizations about how to make things work.
>
> As a co-promoter (with Aubrey) of the WSCUg, I want to apologize for not
> being able to see this potential failure before. I hope that we all can
> agree that we are all humans and that we are allowed to make mistakes. Even
> if they are big ones. The intention was good, the result not so good.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Thanks for believing in the international wikisource community, a bunch of
> hyper-idealists following a crazy librarian's dream of a universal
> knowledge library... Let's take this impact, but let's keep trying. Every
> time with more force. I am totally convinced that together we can make it.
>
> Please, do provide input about how to reach our aspirations.
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for this update on the DIY scanner projects.
>
> Carles Paredes Lanau, 07/05/2017 20:18:
>
> You can check the books scanned in the following link:
> https://archive.org/details/bibliotecammb586
>
>
> Only one? Or do you mean all the 89 items inhttps://archive.org/details/
> bibliotecammb ?
>
> people from the museum weren't comfortable working with it, since it was
> very different from the scanners they used in the past.
>
>
> Interesting. Is there a description, even on the DIY scanner forums, of
> what differences were most impactful for them?
>
> Nemo
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[David Cuenca Tudela]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> what might be the significant role our unique advantage might play in 15
> years?
>

There are some circumstantial aspects that might be relevant for Wikisource:
- With the emergence of machine learning, do volunteers really need to
spend so much time formatting? Or will we able to use our data to train a
system to do some pre-formatting for us?
- With the existing flood of data, can we consider ws as a relevancy
setter? If a document has been transcribed/imported into wikisource, is
that enough to make the document relevant?
- Considering that not all libraries might have the resources to develop
their own platform, can Wikisource be used as a neutral platform by
external agents as a complement to their own infrastructure?

Regarding the 15 years time frame, it might be a good exercise to examine
different scenarios. Yes, one could be to think big, to expect growth and a
favorable environment. But what about the opposite? What if there are
*less* people able to contribute?

Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Community Wishlist Survey 2016 - Voting period opened

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Hi!

The voting period has been opened. You can see the proposals for Wikisource
and enter your votes here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Categories/Wikisource


Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Badges for Wikisource [[phabricator:T97014]]

[David Cuenca Tudela]

I guess for that you would need a query...

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very interesting; so Index page/Index pages is/are properties of an
 edition item. One question: is it possible to show somehow the link to
 edition related item into wikisource Index page, i.e. into
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_Garden_of_Romance_-_1897.djvu ?

 Alex

 2015-08-20 12:26 GMT+02:00 billinghurst billinghurstw...@gmail.com:

 I went and added a badge to   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20850489

 Regards, Billinghurst

 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:18 PM billinghurst billinghurstw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Following work by WMDE at Wikidata, there will now be the ability to
 tag/badge works at Wikidata as to their proofread status.  The badges have
 been kept simple, and should reflect the colour that is used for a work's
 page status.

 I recommended an implementation of three
 * incomplete (be it not be proofread, or problematic)
 * proofread once
 * proofread twice = validated

 This will mean that we should be looking to an agreed approach to its
 use. I suggest that this have some onwiki work, with a discussion to follow
 at Wikisource Wien Workabout (WWW)

 Regards, Billinghurst

 The detail ...

 Add default badges for Wikisource

 With site css, each Wikisource community can override
 these defaults.

 The defaults are coloured circles. To start with, these match
 what we have for Wikibase Repo (e.g. Wikidata), except not (yet?)
 have one for 'not proofread'.

 * problematic / incomplete
 * proofread
 * validated

 Bug: T97014
 Change-Id: I5ad5270866a0a5b8fbc7a19b194f800c2b0e9a8a
 ---
 A resources/images/badge-notproofread.png
 A resources/images/badge-notproofread.svg
 A resources/images/badge-problematic.png
 A resources/images/badge-problematic.svg
 A resources/images/badge-proofread.png
 A resources/images/badge-proofread.svg
 A resources/images/badge-validated.png
 A resources/images/badge-validated.svg
 M resources/skins/cologneblue/wikimedia-badges.css
 M resources/skins/modern/wikimedia-badges.css
 M resources/skins/monobook/wikimedia-badges.css
 M resources/skins/vector/wikimedia-badges.css
 12 files changed, 86 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Problem uploading book images into Internet Archive

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Ahhh, ok! Thanks for the pointer, Rohit!

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Rohit Dua 8ohit@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 The uploaded zip(if contains images) should be of the name *_images.zip.
 (Generic Raw Book Zip) Then the file will be unpacked, and its contents
 will be sorted alphabetically whose names end with whose names end with
 .jp2, .jpg, .jpeg, .tif, .tiff, .bmp or .png.

 -
 Rohit Dua

 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:05 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 For some reason when I uploaded the zip file with images to the internet
 archive, the djvu was not generated... does anyone know the reason?
 The zip file can be found here
 https://archive.org/details/ElsMestresContistesVolum1

 Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Problem uploading book images into Internet Archive

[David Cuenca Tudela]

For some reason when I uploaded the zip file with images to the internet
archive, the djvu was not generated... does anyone know the reason?
The zip file can be found here
https://archive.org/details/ElsMestresContistesVolum1

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] More on difficulties of discovery of WS within Wikidata

[David Cuenca Tudela]

You could add some cue to the title of each edition, or add a description,
that way placing the mouse cursor over the item it displays the hint.
Of course as you sad for Wikidata the navigation it is not so important,
since it is considered a backend, the frontend should deal with displaying
more details of each edition. It is possible to do it, just needs
programmer time which we don't have.


Regards,
Micru

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:01 AM, billinghurst billinghurstw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I was just working through data bits and pieces and found another
 interesting example of the issues of difficulties of separation.

 d:q936276 is the book wind in the willows from there find out which one
 has the edition of the book.

 While I know that wikidata is primarily focused on data pulls, that there
 is no visual cues is an issue. One wonders whether there is an opportunity
 to have sister flags against each of  the edition(s).

 Regards, Billinghurst

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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource needs your input

[David Cuenca Tudela]

So, finally the blog post has been published, and the survey is online and
ready to get answers :)
*https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/06/wikisource-renewed-user-group/*
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/06/wikisource-renewed-user-group/

https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8eltRhyNy9AGGbP

Please, spread the word!

Thanks!
Micru

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Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:47 AM
Subject: Wikisource survey and user group renewal
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Hey all,

We just published Wikisource survey and user group renewal to the blog.
URL:

*https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/06/wikisource-renewed-user-group/*
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/06/wikisource-renewed-user-group/

Many thanks to Micru for drafting this post.

Below are some proposed social media messages. Please tweak as needed.

*Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):*
• Wikisource needs your help guiding its future direction! (link)
• Our friends at @Wikisource need your views on the project's direction
(link)

*Facebook/Google+:*
• Wikisource is a free library that anyone in the world can use. Help
determine its future direction. (link)
• The newly-renewed Wikisource user group needs you to help guide its
future direction. (link)

thanks,
Joe

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[Wikisource-l] Github repository

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Does anybody know who is operating this repository?
https://github.com/Wikisource

Would it be possible to add more admins to make it the official repository
for Wikisource scripts?

Thanks!
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Re: [Wikisource-l] At wikidata: dissociation of book and edition hiding links between WP and WS

[David Cuenca Tudela]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
wrote:


 It is solvable, but it is complex.

 3. Qx and/or Qy have an associated (English) Wikipedia page

 I think that one of the issues here is the simple fact that the matter is
 complex, and even if you find a solution to the theory, it's not easy to
 comply. Right now in Wikidata there is confusion, around books, and you
 don't really know what to do with them.

 Moreover, it is not easy at all to create a new book, make the right
 relationships with the author and other work/edition of the same book. For
 example, as far as I know, you can't copy an item, and this alone is a
 burden to the user who has to start everytime from scratch a new item.
 I myself give it up most times than not


TBH, I would only focus on the 90% of the cases and leave the other cases
to be handled manually.

An example of how the structure is:
Random Work
|- edition 1 in English
|- edition 2 in English
|- edition 1 in Italian
|- edition 1 in French

The page in edition 1 is linked to the item in Wikidata, but the interwiki
links do not show up for the other editions, so it is a matter of finding
out what are the other edition interwiki links and displaying them in the
Wikisource page.

This has two components, the data input and the visualization component.
For the data input there is the new Book Manager v2 which is the metadata
frontend
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BookManagerv2
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T17071

It is a matter of enabling a field more to link with the work item, and
through it, get the interwiki links of all editions connected to that item
representing the work.

I don't know if it is the proper way to do it, but I would appreciate some
feedback.

For linking with the Index page there is a new Wikidata property as Magnus
pointed.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] At wikidata: dissociation of book and edition hiding links between WP and WS

[David Cuenca Tudela]

In Wikipedia there would be needed a better infobox book that can handle
both work and edition data.

For Wikisource the issue is more complex. I was thinking that since the
Book Manager v2 extension is supposed to handle data from Wikidata, it
could be used as an entry point to generate the list of related editions,
and override the normal interwiki list whenever it is used.

@Tpt, Raylton: What do you think of the idea?

Since our developing resources are very meager, the WsCUG could apply for
funds for a project to finish these important tasks, but it would be
important to assess how much effort it is needed and if someone can act as
a technical mentor for a potential contractor.

Cheers, Micru

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, billinghurst billinghurstw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 With the WD methodology for each book there is to be an entry for the book
 as the idea/concept. Then for each edition there is to be a separate entry.

 Now the difficulty that I am seeing is that WP links to the book/idea.
 Whereas WS links to the edition. So there is no visible relationship from
 each to the other in the WS - WP

 Now while that may be correct it is problematic. Anyone have any clear
 solution? If it is going to be through indirect linking then we are going
 to need some clever lua work at enWS for Wikipedia linking in {{plain
 sister}} and similarly at the WP side.

 While I have attention, VIAF entries for works. Are they related to the
 work or to an edition or is it both?  I see that the translations of works
 have a year in VIAF, and as that relates to an author it may be right but
 it seems inconsistent.

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[Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for Index pages. Bot needed!

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Just recently a new Wikidata property for linking with the Index page has
been created
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1957

An example of its use can be seen here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15839163

In theory it should be possible to import it automatically. Is anyone
capable of writing a bot for importing it?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Community survey 2015

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Thomas!
Thanks a lot for your feedback, I have made some modifications, can you
check again?
No progress bar, but I added an indication on top about the number of
pages. There is also a new page now regarding tool awareness.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Thomas Tanon thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote:

 Thank you very much for the survey! It looks very good.

 A small detail: is it possible to add a progress bar in the survey in
 order to get an idea of its length?

 An other point: there is nothing related to a better integration of the
 export system into Wikisource. Is it intentional?

 Thanks again!

 Cheers,

 Thomas


  Le 20 juin 2015 à 01:37, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com a
 écrit :
 
  Hi Sam,
  Thanks for checking it out! I have removed the character limitation.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Micru
 
  On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au wrote:
  The only thing I noticed was that the 'Home wiki' question's answer box
 has a maximum length of only 15 characters, which isn't enough for any of
 the given example answers.
 
  —Sam.
 
 
 
  On 15/06/15 21:25, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:
  Nicolas, thanks for the feedback, I have made the following changes:
  * now just ask for country of residence
  * links to the Wikisource Community user group page, link to the 2013
 German Wikisource meetup
  * rank order for the priority of features, added text for people who
 cannot drag and drop asking to type it
  * enabled back button
 
  The link is still the same if you want to try again
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8eltRhyNy9AGGbP
 
  I will wait a couple of days for more comments. After that I would need
 help to write a little announcement or a blog post, could anyone take care
 of it?
  Then we can use the blog, facebook, and mass messaging to spread it
 
  Thanks for the help!
  Micru
 
  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
 vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:
  2015-06-15 14:37 GMT+02:00 Raphael Berchie rberc...@gmail.com:
  I tested it it works perfectly good questions too.
 
  Technically, it seems good but I think some details could be improve :
  * add links for explanation of things like « 2-letter country code of
 residence » (most people don't know it's the
  ISO 3166-1 code), « 2013 conference for German Wikisource » or even «
 WsCUG ».
  * « the following items should be prioritized... » but there is no way
 to prioritize Oo is it possible to answer by sorting (with numbers for
 instance).
  * no button for going back to previous question ?
 
  Cdlt, ~nicolas
 
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Community survey 2015

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Hi Sam,
Thanks for checking it out! I have removed the character limitation.

Cheers,

Micru

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au wrote:

  The only thing I noticed was that the 'Home wiki' question's answer box
 has a maximum length of only 15 characters, which isn't enough for any of
 the given example answers.

 —Sam.



 On 15/06/15 21:25, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:

  Nicolas, thanks for the feedback, I have made the following changes:
  * now just ask for country of residence
  * links to the Wikisource Community user group page, link to the 2013
 German Wikisource meetup
  * rank order for the priority of features, added text for people who
 cannot drag and drop asking to type it
  * enabled back button

  The link is still the same if you want to try again
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8eltRhyNy9AGGbP

  I will wait a couple of days for more comments. After that I would need
 help to write a little announcement or a blog post, could anyone take care
 of it?
  Then we can use the blog, facebook, and mass messaging to spread it

  Thanks for the help!
  Micru

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
 vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 2015-06-15 14:37 GMT+02:00 Raphael Berchie rberc...@gmail.com:

 I tested it it works perfectly good questions too.


  Technically, it seems good but I think some details could be improve :
 * add links for explanation of things like « 2-letter country code of
 residence » (most people don't know it's the
 ISO 3166-1 code), « 2013 conference for German Wikisource » or even «
 WsCUG ».
 * « the following items should be prioritized... » but there is no way
 to prioritize Oo is it possible to answer by sorting (with numbers for
 instance).
 * no button for going back to previous question ?

  Cdlt, ~nicolas

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Community survey 2015

[David Cuenca Tudela]

The survey is ready, can anybody test it and see if it works and if the
questions are appropriate?
https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8eltRhyNy9AGGbP

After the testing period, it will be a matter of announcing it.

Cheers,
Micru

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:54 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 After the suggestion of Nicolas to redo the 2013 survey to find out which
 are the priorities of the Wikisource Community User Group, I have started
 this page to gather questions:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_community_survey_2015

 Feel free to add your questions, or reshape the content. I have added some
 additional questions regarding governance and personal involvement that I
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Community survey 2015

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Nicolas, thanks for the feedback, I have made the following changes:
* now just ask for country of residence
* links to the Wikisource Community user group page, link to the 2013
German Wikisource meetup
* rank order for the priority of features, added text for people who cannot
drag and drop asking to type it
* enabled back button

The link is still the same if you want to try again
https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8eltRhyNy9AGGbP

I will wait a couple of days for more comments. After that I would need
help to write a little announcement or a blog post, could anyone take care
of it?
Then we can use the blog, facebook, and mass messaging to spread it

Thanks for the help!
Micru

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 2015-06-15 14:37 GMT+02:00 Raphael Berchie rberc...@gmail.com:

 I tested it it works perfectly good questions too.


 Technically, it seems good but I think some details could be improve :
 * add links for explanation of things like « 2-letter country code of
 residence » (most people don't know it's the
 ISO 3166-1 code), « 2013 conference for German Wikisource » or even «
 WsCUG ».
 * « the following items should be prioritized... » but there is no way
 to prioritize Oo is it possible to answer by sorting (with numbers for
 instance).
 * no button for going back to previous question ?

 Cdlt, ~nicolas

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata and Wikisource. Arbitrary access? Badges?

[David Cuenca Tudela]

It is true that {{Authority control}} does not need arbitrary item access,
so we can assume that it is already mainstream, although it would be nice
to bring it to all Wikisources

Regarding badges, I agree with Aubrey that we should reuse the current
levels, not only for pages, but also for texts. From the usability point of
view, I don't think that it is a good idea to use percentage numbers as
badge labels, since the numbers are not descriptive, instead I would go for:
- incomplete text
- not proofread
- proofread
- validated

Remember that a page can have more than two badges, so for instance a book
with some missing pages could have been validated and be an incomplete
text. That is probably fine.

Any other comments? Or shall we apply for the wikisource badges already?

Thanks
Micru

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 2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

 On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing
  anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?

 {{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have
 plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.

 Happy to advise further if needed.


 Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't think
 so… but not sure).
 Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according to
 Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should definitively be
 use on all Wikisources.

 The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access
 (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I can't
 understand his coding)
 (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia infobox ?)

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[Wikisource-l] Community survey 2015

[David Cuenca Tudela]

After the suggestion of Nicolas to redo the 2013 survey to find out which
are the priorities of the Wikisource Community User Group, I have started
this page to gather questions:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_community_survey_2015

Feel free to add your questions, or reshape the content. I have added some
additional questions regarding governance and personal involvement that I
feel that might be relevant.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata and Wikisource. Arbitrary access? Badges?

[David Cuenca Tudela]

@Nicolas: that list is indeed useful! Was it created by bot? Can it be
created for other Wikisources too?

@Aubrey: For now I would just focus on badges and on simple transclusion
for the work from the connected wikidata item. Are you ok with the
suggested badge names?

@Daniel: regarding the transclusion, do you refer to scary transclusion? It
seems that parsoid doesn't support it yet
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68710

Cheers,
Micru

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:


 We could rewrite all our Author modules in Lua for authors, and put all
 our authors in Wikidata.
 That is probably the first thing we should do.


 On fr.ws whe have
 http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pages_%C2%AB_Auteur_%C2%BB_sans_%C3%A9l%C3%A9ment_sur_Wikidata
 ; same cat on en.ws
 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Author_pages_not_connected_to_Wikidata

 It is very useful to fill Wikidata !

 Cdlt, ~nicolas

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[Wikisource-l] Technical development of Wikisource. What comes first?

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Dear all,
Since the Wikisource Community User Group [1] has been building a reliable
track record of activities during the last two years, there was the idea of
advancing even further and tackling our technical debt with a dedicated
Wikisource developer.

I would like to draft a project in order to approach Chapters or other
organizations that can give us support in our task, but first I need to
know what are our highest priority tasks right now.
In my opinion it would be something like:
- Visual Editor for Wikisource
- Book manager extension
- Lua scripts for Wikidata integration
- Book infobox for Wikipedia to share metadata

Any thoughts about this? Does anyone know a reliable developer? Or a
chapter that could offer help? Or someone who could act as a techical
mentor/overseer?

Thanks and regards!
Micru


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata and Wikisource. Arbitrary access? Badges?

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Hi Billinghurst,
Good idea about the featured works, I will add it to the list. Regarding
proofread of the (timeperiod) it seems something better managed locally
in wiki, maybe with a category.

Listings of authors, institutions, publisers, etc is something that should
be possible to do once the queries are available.

Should we add a badge for Suporting scan available? Or can we just assume
that if the item has the property scan file (Commons)(P996) then it is a
book with a scan?

Regards,
  - Micru

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:06 PM, billinghurst billinghurstw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 There are numbers of badges that I would consider
 * Featured works
 * Proofread of the (timeperiod), for enWS it is one a month

 Ultimately I am looking to have to have Wikidata to populate/build
 listings of authors, eg.
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Authors-D
 and
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum
 and
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum  (staff as authors
 bit)

 Re states of works, Proofread, Validated (sure), though less need for
 not proofread, as I wonder whether it warrants noting.  Definitely not
 percentages.  Whether a work's validation is supported by a scanned
 text.

 I know that enWS would like to be able to generate a list of works by
 month of validation by automated process, and you can do more
 decoratively with scan images, text, author name, blah blah though
 drawing information by arbitrary data pulls.

 Regards, Billinghurst

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:47 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing
  anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
 
  And regarding badges, there is this ticket open:
  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
 
  Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
  - Proofread
  - Validated
  - Export ready
 
  Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?
 
  Thanks
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[Wikisource-l] Wikidata and Wikisource. Arbitrary access? Badges?

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing
anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?

And regarding badges, there is this ticket open:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014

Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
- Proofread
- Validated
- Export ready

Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?

Thanks
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Hackathon events

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Emmanuel,
Do you think it would be a good idea to start a project to bring all books
to the ready to publish status? Do we need a Wikidata badge to tag such
books?

Thanks for the great hackathon work, Tpt and Coren! I hope you can post an
update!

Cheers,
Micru

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wrote:

 On 31.05.2015 11:56, Andrea Zanni wrote:

 Tpt and Coren stood out improving wsexport, including PDF and Score
 support: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92287 What else? If I
 forgot to say hello to someone or missed anything, forgive me and
 accept my post-hoc hugs!


 Really good news. wsexport is an important piece of software.

 But we remarked that one of the most important problem with wsexport on
 the WS in French was with the content itself. Many books are simply not
 tagged as ready to published, although many of them would really need
 only a small amount of additional work to reach that level.

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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource UG report on the WMCON15

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Dear all,

I have written a short piece on the WMCON and some interesting aspects
about the organizational future of User Groups.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ew8cVJhqqenGUAVVaTQqkisyPyd1tSX-zbVfi-Uuo8U/edit?usp=sharing

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[Wikisource-l] WMCON insights, WS user group renewal, and international Wikisource conference

[David Cuenca Tudela]

One week ago there was the Wikimedia conference in Berlin:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015

Representing Wikisource there was me, Aubrey, and other users from
different Wikisource language versions. There was a small meeting to
discuss Wikisource and possible future activities. (group picture: [1])
One of the possible activities for this year could be to organize an
international meeting just for wikisourcers. Would be anybody interested in
participating/organizing?
Additionally I contacted WM Austria and they said that they would discuss
providing operational support.

The focus could be in mentoring interested users in how to kickstart their
wikisource and how to use advanced tools. There is interest in growing the
localized versions of wikisource but not enough people capable to mentor
interested users. So there should be workshops to train new users how to
use our basic tools, and how to admin a language instance.

And also AffCom asked us to submit last year report, so here it is:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2014_Report

Hopefully you are excited about all what has done so far and all the great
things that can be done this year!

Cheers,
Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource 11th Anniversary Contest

[David Cuenca]

Hi Aubrey!

I'll be away for some months, but on ca-ws there will be a contest anyhow,
this is the project page:
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_Jocs_Florals_de_Barcelona

KRLS will be there coordinating and running the bot :)

So exciting! I hope there will be more contests this year!
Micru



On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello guys,
 are you preparing for the contest?
 Can we use this mailing list to coordinate and understand how many
 contests will be there?

 It would be nice if we could coordinate, or at least use shared scripts
 and tools.
 Maybe it's better to have an overview of what is needed to run the
 contest.

 WHAT DO YOU NEED
 * a collection of books to be proofread
 this is really easy :-)

 * a Wikisource contest page
 like this one:
 https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Undicesimo_compleanno_di_Wikisource

 * some social media coverage
 you can use social media etc., we always try to convince the it.wikipedia
 to use their SiteNotice... Of course, you must also use your own Wikisource
 sitenotice.

 * some awards
 if you have a national Wikimedia chapter, it's good to ask for few bucks.
 In Italy, we awarded 3 prizes with just 100 euros (50 euros worth book
 voucher as a 1st prize, 30 and 20 for 2nd and 3rd).

 * a way to count validated and proofread pages.
 If I'm not mistaken, the code is here: http://pastebin.com/Vk6ikCUg

 WHAT YOU NEED TO DECIDE

 * time
 In Italy, we wanted to go from 24 November at 00.01 till 1st December at
 23.59.

 * scoring
 In it.source, we will probably award 3 points for every proofread page and
 1 point for every validated page.

 * awards
 Last year, it.source only allowed to validate pages (and not to
 proofread).
 We awarded the first prize to the user who validated more pages.
 The second and the third prizes instead were randomly extracted from the
 others: but the more pages a user validated, the more chances he had.
 Every validated page (or point) counts as a lottery ticket: the more I
 have, the more chances too.

 Cristian Cantoro made also this awesome tool to pick the 3 winners, we
 should adapt it for every contest: http://balist.es/wscontest/

 I believe everything can be easily adapted if you both allow to proofread
 and validate at the same time

 I really hope many Wikisources will be present this year :-)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Standardize ProofreadPage namespaces, again

[David Cuenca]

My impression is that nobody is going to care about it as long as it
doesn't break anything. I would say that the best way to proceed would be
to set up a date for an initial migration test with a small wikisource by
sending them a notification in advance, and then repeat the procedure with
the rest.

Cheers,
Micru

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
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  About this RFC
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Standardize_ProofreadPage_namespaces_across_Wikisources,
 John Vandenberg agreed to use the 250 / 252 pair for Page and Index
 namespaces, respectively.
 Is it wise to just go ahead and request changing one site at a time? What
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[Wikisource-l] Wikidata badges for text quality

[David Cuenca]

Here you'll find the proposed Wikidata badges for tracking text quality
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wikisource#Proposed_badges_for_text_quality

Do we miss any? And what do you think of the monolingual property to link
with the corresponding Index page?

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Scanner purchase

[David Cuenca]

Hi Billinghurst
at ca-ws a user has been doing some tests to create automatically the
missing Index: pages with a bot
http://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/Anskarbot

I don't know exactly how it works, or if it is stable enough, but I will
ask.

Regards,
Micru


On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Wiki Billinghurst 
billinghurstw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Micru,

 As a question re uploaded works to Commons. Are we labelling these in some 
 way as needing to have Index: pages at the WSes, and by language of work? If 
 not, then it would seem that we may need to do some curatorial work to
 can we identify .djvu files at Commons that are not linked to indices. 
 Thinking about how we can make things easier for ourselves.

 Regards, Billinghurst


 On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:01 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:59 AM, scann scannopo...@gmail.com wrote:

 BUT I would like to have
 someone writing some pieces of code to be able to scan  upload:
 which means, to scan your book and be able to upload it automatically
 to wikimedia commons  wikisource, using the same control system,
 specially with no command line interface.


 Have you tried the Book Uploader Bot? It is a project created by Rohit
 (in CC) for his GSoC.
 http://tools.wmflabs.org/bub/index

 It takes some available images from digital libraries, uploads them to
 Internet Archive (which converts to djvu and adds OCR), and then notify the
 user with a link to transfer the file to Commons when the file is ready.

 If you want to use the same workflow for Spreads, you would need to add
 an option to BUB to upload an image batch and request the metadata from the
 user. It doesn't seem that hard considering that most of the work has been
 done.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Scanner purchase

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:59 AM, scann scannopo...@gmail.com wrote:

 BUT I would like to have
 someone writing some pieces of code to be able to scan  upload:
 which means, to scan your book and be able to upload it automatically
 to wikimedia commons  wikisource, using the same control system,
 specially with no command line interface.


Have you tried the Book Uploader Bot? It is a project created by Rohit (in
CC) for his GSoC.
http://tools.wmflabs.org/bub/index

It takes some available images from digital libraries, uploads them to
Internet Archive (which converts to djvu and adds OCR), and then notify the
user with a link to transfer the file to Commons when the file is ready.

If you want to use the same workflow for Spreads, you would need to add an
option to BUB to upload an image batch and request the metadata from the
user. It doesn't seem that hard considering that most of the work has been
done.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [open-humanities] Forking Project Gutenberg to Github

[David Cuenca]

Definitely it is. It would be interesting to keep an eye on the project and
see how it develops.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Andrea Zanni aubreymcf...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Maybe this is of interest?

 Aubrey

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 Date: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM
 Subject: [open-humanities] Forking Project Gutenberg to Github
 To: A list for people interested in the use of open source tools and open
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 okfn-labs okfn-l...@lists.okfn.org


 Hello Humanities!

 I've been working on a project called GITenberg
 http://gitenberg.github.io.

 The aim is to move Project Gutenberg's books to github.

 As you probably know, Project Gutenberg (PG) is an amazing organization
 that has been digitizing public domain books since the 1970s.  They have
 around 45,000 books.

 But PG is hesitant to upgrade their tools, and have limited resources to
 work on new projects.  But there are issues with the current collection.
  There are some remaining typos and transcription errors. And many books
 are using old encoding formats (PG predates unicode).

 I want to help with that, and along the way, produce something that more
 developers, OKFN hackers, digital humanists and other groups can readily
 build upon.

 Enter GITenberg.

 GITenberg uses git and github to keep track of books.  This adds a number
 of features right out of the gate, including:
 + version control via git
 + public bug tracking (PG uses a private RT instance to track reported
 issues)
 + public collaboration (pull requests under public review)

 PG's metadata is provided in RDF/XML, in a 230mb zip file.  While this is
 a wonderful resource, RDF isn't the easiest format for most developers to
 pick up and use.  In fact, the .zip file has so many top-level folders, it
 can't be completely unpacked on some filesystems (ext3).

 I've created repos and included the book source files (often including
 images!) for 43,000 of PG's books and put them on github.

 There is a lot yet that I hope to do, but I would love to get OKFN's
 feedback, requests, or assistance!

 Uploading script https://github.com/sethwoodworth/GITenberg
 Mailing list https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gitenberg-project

 All the best,
 Seth

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wiki loves books?

[David Cuenca]

Yes, I was referring to a new edition of last year's proofreading contest.
What about « Wiki Loves Proofreading » ? :)

But now that you mention it, we could also think about digitizing books for
Commons as part of the contest.

Cheers,
Micru


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like Cristian, I like the idea but it's need to be refined.

 The others « Wiki Loves XXX » (WLM, WLE, WLPA) are on Wikimedia Commons
 and are base on items lists (monument list, natural monument list and
 public art list).
 Are you talking of a « importing books on Commons contest » (based on a
 list ?) or of a « proofreading contest » ?

 By the way, we should absolutely re-do the « 10th anniversary proofreading
 contest » but obviously, we need a new name ;) and « Wiki Loves Books »
 doesn't seem very suitable to me.

 Cdlt, ~nicolas

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Multilingual Books

[David Cuenca]

There was also the idea of enabling mul.wikisource.org for such cases
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62717

Does it take much effort to create?

Thanks
Micru


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Nahum Wengrov novar...@gmail.com wrote:

 FWIW, my opinion is, if its primary language, or even one of its primary
 languages, is English, post it to the English wikisource. But that's just
 my opinion. Reason: English wikisource is likely to get more readers.


 On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com
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 Dear All,

 Where is the best hosting this kind of books below  in Wikisource...

 http://dsal.uchicago.edu/books/lsi/

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Multilingual Books

[David Cuenca]

@MF-Warburg: www.wikisource.org is currently used as incubator for small
languages. The code mul.* is used when several languages are present:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Special_situations


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:20 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 www.wikisource.org is already the multilingual wikisource.
 Am 15.08.2014 19:54 schrieb Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com:

  Dear All,

 Where is the best hosting this kind of books below  in Wikisource...

 http://dsal.uchicago.edu/books/lsi/

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[Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] new beta feature: in other projects sidebar

[David Cuenca]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de
Date: Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:04 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-ambassadors] new beta feature: in other projects sidebar
To: wikitech-ambassadors wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. 
wikidat...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hey folks :)

We'll be rolling out a new beta feature on August 26th/28th to
Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikiquote. It will add a new section to the
sidebar of an article. This section will contain links to related
articles in other sister projects. Which projects are shown can be
configured per-wiki. You can find out more about it at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar

If you have any questions about this please use the discussion page of
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar


Cheers
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Connecting Index pages to Wikidata items

[David Cuenca]

Here there is a possible way of doing it:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VstRE5MXf_ejapDyo2FxW4Vztw77HK-6HrdEUbbypcM/edit#gid=0

Cheers,
Micru


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well done, I'll can't wait to start - I hope into a shared inter-project
 set of solid conventions about basics of  books with as few
 language-related differences as possible.

 Alex


 2014-08-12 17:43 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

 I have started a new thread on the Wikiproject books about a possible way
 to connect the Index pages to Wikidata items:

 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books#Wikisource_index_pages_and_manifestations

 Your input would be appreciated!

 Thanks!
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [tesseract-ocr] Outreach from the Wikisource community

[David Cuenca]

Just to add to Thomas' message, you can also get a list of works of a
wikisource using the oai-pmh interface. Example for the Italian ws:
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecordsmetadataPrefix=prp_qdcset=edizioni_wikisource
Documentation:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
We are migrating our metadata to Wikidata, but that is an ongoing process
that hasn't been finished yet.

It would be interesting to know what kind of text you expect for training
Tesseract, like:
- does it need markup stripped text? What about page layout, or bold text,
italics, etc?
- most of the time we don't keep line breaks nor end of line hyphenation.
Should training data include them?
- references are transcribed in-line, transcluded as footers when rendered.
Should they be removed?

TBH, the biggest problem I found in latin script languages is the lack of
old ortography dictionaries, because for us every time that the ocr uses
modern ortography instead of the printed ortography that counts as an
error, which means that we have to fix well-recognized words.
Or more mundane problems, like how to generate output without end of line
hyphenation :)

And thanks for the compliments! I also think Tesseract is an amazing
project, and I think many in our community would be very glad to help to
provide the best, freely reusable, training data in the world :)

Cheers,
Micru




On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Thomas Tanon thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote:


 Thanks a lot for this nice answer,

 A technical answer to the question:
  Are there programatic ways of getting at the data, for example
 downloading all page images and corresponding text that is marked as green,
 for a specific language / script?

 Yes, you can get the list of Page: pages (the pages that contain the
 wikitext for a given scan image) using this API request:
 https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=querygenerator=allpagesgapnamespace=104prop=proofreadformat=json
  for
 en.wikisource where the Page: namespace id is 104 (this id is not the same
 in all Wikisources) (doc: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Allpages )

 Then you can just retrieve the content of a green page (the ones with 
 quality: 4) using this API request
 https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=queryprop=revisionstitles=Page:%22%27Keep%20%27em%20Flying%27%20is%20Our%20Battle%20Cry^%20First%20Class%20Fighting%20Men%20Needed.%22%20-%20NARA%20-%20513526.jpgrvprop=content
 https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=queryprop=revisionstitles=Page:%22'Keep%20'em%20Flying'%20is%20Our%20Battle%20Cry%5E%20First%20Class%20Fighting%20Men%20Needed.%22%20-%20NARA%20-%20513526.jpgrvprop=content
 (doc: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Properties#revisions_/_rv ).

 To get the image of a given Page: page, just use this API request
 https://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=querytitles=Image:Albert%20Einstein%20Head.jpgprop=imageinfoformat=jsoniiprop=url
  that
 retrieves the url of a file from his title (the Page: pages has as page
 title Page:NAME_OF_THE_FILE with sometime after a
 /PAGE_NUMBER_IN_A_MULTIPAGE_FILE so you have in NAME_OF_THE_FILE the name
 of the image to use.

 Thanks again,

 Thomas


 From: Nick White nick.wh...@durham.ac.uk
  Date: Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [tesseract-ocr] Outreach from the Wikisource community
 To: tesseract-...@googlegroups.com
 Cc: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library 
 wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com


 Dear Wikisourcerers,

 It's good to hear from you. Wikisource is awesome, as far as I am
 concerned.

  One
  of the most serious issues was raised by the Belarusian community which
 uses 2
  different scripts with no commercial OCR support. This means that the
  volunteers have to type each word manually. We wondered if it would be
 possible
  to train Tesseract to recognize these old texts using the text that has
 been
  already typed.

 Actually, Tesseract should already have support for Russian and
 Belarussian out of the box; see the 'rus' and 'bel' training data.

  We would like to know if you would be interested in exploring
 collaboration
  possibilities. I imagine that with your guidance we could prepare
 training data

 The first thing to do would be to take a look at the results you get
 from Tesseract with the rus and bel training sets already available,
 and let us know if they aren't appropriate.

  not only in different languages, but also from different time
  periods, scripts, etc.

 As to training for specific scripts, time periods, etc., in theory
 that is super cool, in practise probably one training set should be
 able to cover more-or-less everything (except very different
 scripts, like fraktur). That has been my experience with training
 Ancient Greek (for which I have been interested in recognising
 printing from a variety of time periods).

 So give Tesseract a whirl, and if it isn't appropriate, or doesn't
 work for specific

Re: [Wikisource-l] [tesseract-ocr] Outreach from the Wikisource community

[David Cuenca]

PS: I forwarded Jim's message to one of the Belarusian Wikisourcers


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Jim O'Regan jore...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12 August 2014 17:25, Nick White nick.wh...@durham.ac.uk wrote:
  Dear Wikisourcerers,
 
  It's good to hear from you. Wikisource is awesome, as far as I am
  concerned.
 
  One
  of the most serious issues was raised by the Belarusian community which
 uses 2
  different scripts with no commercial OCR support. This means that the
  volunteers have to type each word manually. We wondered if it would be
 possible
  to train Tesseract to recognize these old texts using the text that has
 been
  already typed.
 
  Actually, Tesseract should already have support for Russian and
  Belarussian out of the box; see the 'rus' and 'bel' training data.
 

 'bel' contains Cyrillic; there is also a Latin script ('Łacinka') for
 Belarusian. (Russian is widely spoken in Belarus, but Russian texts
 would be added to the Russian Wikisource).

 The question I'd have for the Belarusian Wikisourcers is: can they be
 treated as having an exact mapping? (It doesn't need to be 1:1, I'm
 aware that, e.g., 'нь' maps to 'ń'). I ask because, as I remember it,
 there's very little text in Łacinka, and adapting Cyrillic material
 could be useful.

  One thing that wikisource could potentially do for us would be
  provide loads of proofread, freely reusable ground truth data to
  test Tesseract with. Are there programatic ways of getting at the
  data, for example downloading all page images and corresponding text
  that is marked as green, for a specific language / script?

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[Wikisource-l] Connecting Index pages to Wikidata items

[David Cuenca]

Hi,

I have started a new thread on the Wikiproject books about a possible way
to connect the Index pages to Wikidata items:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books#Wikisource_index_pages_and_manifestations

Your input would be appreciated!

Thanks!
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[Wikisource-l] Outreach from the Wikisource community

[David Cuenca]

Dear Tesseracters,

At Wikisource, the free digital library and sister project of Wikipedia, we
have founded a user group [1] to promote international coordination and
partnerships with fellow organizations. We have thousands of high quality
volunteer proofread pages [2] matched by scans in ca. 50 different
languages [3]. Our editing interface of one single page looks like this
[4], which has another view as index [5] or as text with all pages
together [6]. There are several verification levels, the most important are
yellow which means that one contributor proofread the page, and green
which means that a second person verified the proofread text.

This past weekend at Wikimania '14 in London we had a meeting were we
discussed technical and social issues from several Wikisource language
communities. One of the most serious issues was raised by the Belarusian
community which uses 2 different scripts with no commercial OCR support.
This means that the volunteers have to type each word manually. We wondered
if it would be possible to train Tesseract to recognize these old texts
using the text that has been already typed.

We would like to know if you would be interested in exploring collaboration
possibilities. I imagine that with your guidance we could prepare training
data not only in different languages, but also from different time periods,
scripts, etc. At the moment it is not very clear how to achieve this.

Please let us know if you would like to have a hangout/skype conversation
any day next week.

Cheers,
Micru


[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group
[2] https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:ProofreadPage_Statistics
[3] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/Sitemap.htm
[4]
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page%3ATyrannosaurus_and_Other_Cretaceous_Carnivorous_Dinosaurs.pdf/2
[5]
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Tyrannosaurus_and_Other_Cretaceous_Carnivorous_Dinosaurs.pdf
[6]
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus_and_Other_Cretaceous_Carnivorous_Dinosaurs
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource community at Wikimania 2014

[David Cuenca]

Thanks to everyone who came to the Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014. We
had a very nice talk and it was wonderful to get to know each other in
person!

Some of the topics that were discussed at the first Wikisource Community
User Group meet up:
- lack of OCR for Belarusian and other languages - I just sent an email to
the Tesseract list to see what could we do about it
- what to do with wikisource.org (oldwikisource) - probably it is worth
creating a mul.* domain so we can connect it with Wikidata. It needs
broader discussion / promotion
- Wikidata - not clear what to do with Index: pages, needs some thought
about how to move that metadata to Wikidata. Consider that the relationship
between the index (supporting/containing media, closer to Commons) and
the edition item (version of a work) is not always 1:1. Perhaps, using
part of or published in could be used here, but as said it needs
thinking and work on some use cases (let's be brave creating properties and
examples on test.wikidata.org)
- tabular data (csv) - wikisource could host such sources if there is
enough interest and a technical solution to manage this kind of
information. Needs more discussion, and gather tech support.
- user engagement - proposed to gamify proofreading. Identified potential
interested partners, if we don't manage to get support, it can be thought
as a GsoC next year.
- advocacy - wikisourcerors are encouraged to contact their nearest
wikimedia chapter to look for support and raise awareness about the issues
that need attention. These kind of trust relationships are necessary to
organize the next proofreading contest. Chapters should be aware that with
just 100eur in prizes and help reaching out (for instance banners on
Wikipedia) a lot of things can be accomplished by volunteers like us.
- outreach - tell GLAM members about wikisource so when they contact with
libraries they can promote wikisource as well (and not only
wikipedia/commons)
- open access - identified as a high potential project for wikisource. It
needs some automatic text verification so we don't waste volunteers time
proofreading digital born documents.
- social - more boldness needed! Let's not be afraid of changing things to
make the project more attractive for readers (for instance cover galleries
on the main page, or try collaborative or experimental tools). More contact
wished with the German community. Promote Wikisource on social platforms
and on GLAM newsletters.
- adminship - it was proposed to promote Tpt to global steward so he can
help better new communities. It was also proposed that experienced members
could mentor wikisourcerors from new communities so they get to know all
the tools/hidden gems that we have.

Besides this year there were several wikisource related submissions
- Wikisource technical infrastructure- Tpt presented his advances on the
visual editor integration and on the new beta feature sister projects to
be deployed in the next weeks [1]. Xelgen presented the advances of his
grant project for new Wikisource tools [2].
- Crowdsourcing the Digitization of Ben-Yehuda's Dictionary - Asaf
presented his Hebrew crowd-sourced dictionary project [3]
- Wikisource panel - Charles Matthews, Magnus Manske et al. explained what
is Wikisource about, possible options to gamify it, and its possible role
as a host of tabular data [4]
- Reform citation structure - where several panelists explained the new
landscape of citations that is coming with Wikidata. I presented Wikisource
very briefly, to raise awareness of our project and the role it plays
supporting Wikipedia [5]
- From paper to digital book on Wikisource - where Xelgen described the
best techniques to digitize a book and convert it into a digital one [6]

I hope I didn't forget anything... there was *a lot* of Wikisource this
year at Wikimania :)

Thanks
Micru

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Tools_for_Armenian_Wikisource_and_beyond
[3] https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Old_New_Thing.pdf
[4]
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Panel:_Wikisource,_from_digitization_to_data
[5]
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_structure_for_all_Wikimedia_projects
[6]
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/From_paper_book_to_a_digital_one_on_Wikisource
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource meet-up on Saturday at Wikimania

[David Cuenca]

Just a quick reminder for all wikisourcerors in London. The meet-up is
tomorrow Saturday at 18:30
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Meetup

See you there!
Micru
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Add wiki data for old wikisoure

[David Cuenca]

the bug report is this one:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62717

Cheers,
Micru


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Thomas PT thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote:

  Hi!
 OldWikisource is not supported by Wikidata yet. So no way to do it.
 Regards,
 Thomas
 Le 6 août 2014 18:34, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Hi,

  How to add wiki data for old wikisoure??

  As  an example Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay (
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q377881),  there are no hindi wikisource,
 but we have a author page in old at
 https://wikisource.org/wiki/Author:%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9F%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF

  So how would we add this to wikidata??

  Regards,

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Exploring #property for works

[David Cuenca]

This is the bug that is preventing access to unconnected items
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930

It is high priority development and the dev team is working on it since
long time ago. It has many dependencies, so no idea when it will be ready
to be used.

For now, we can only be patient... and gather ideas of what can be done
with it... like automatic lists of works on the author page and on
wikipedia, (finally) shared bibliographic information, automatic pages of
books according to subject headings, etc, etc :)

Btw, Vlsergey from ruwiki did a gadget to edit Wikidata from any project,
so I guess we could adapt it to edit bibliographic information. What do you
think?
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#WEF_gadgets_update

The three gadgets (person, links, taxon) that exist so far can be tested by
adding these 3 lines to your common.js


mediaWiki.loader.load(
'//ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WEF_ExternalLinks.jsaction=rawctype=text/javascriptmaxage=86400smaxage=21600'
);

mediaWiki.loader.load(
'//ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WEF_PersonEditor.jsaction=rawctype=text/javascriptmaxage=86400smaxage=21600'
);

mediaWiki.loader.load(
'//ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WEF_TaxonEditor.jsaction=rawctype=text/javascriptmaxage=86400smaxage=21600'
);


Cheers,
Micru


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-07-19 0:25 GMT+02:00 Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com:

 I'm trying to realize how {{#property:}} works, and I'm confused. From my
 tests, it only works inside pages linked with a wikidata element - and they
 show the wikidata property for that wikidata element.


 True, for now (and probably for a long moment), you can only get
 properties from the linked element with {{#property:}}.

 Only one page for project can be linked to to a wikidata element - so, a
 ns0 wikisource book can be linked to a wikidata edition element, but
 can't be linked, in the same time, with the related wikidata work element.
 So, I can't use #property tag to get properties of work items, but only for
 *edition* items.

 It I want to retrieve propetries of a *work* wikidata element bu
 #property, I've to create a specific wikisource page for the work, then to
 link it to wikidata work element - then using #property inside it.

 So far, the syntax to call a property of a wikidata element different
 from the element linked to current page seems not work.

 So, I opened two *work* pages into it.wikisource,
 [[:it:Wikisource:Tommaso Moro (Pellico)]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Eufemio da
 Messina]], I linked them to Q15987095 and Q15987085, and I'm doing some
 test using those pages. I used nsWikisource just to avoid any possible
 mismatch between *works* and *editions.

 Alex


 It's a bit confusing for the works/edition but it already works perfectly
 for the Author: pages ;)

 Do you know Lua ? You might want to take a look at :
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Module:Wikibase to go further.

 Cdlt, ~nicolas

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Project leaflet

[David Cuenca]

So was any leaflet submitted? I cannot find it on the page
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets

Micru


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Moreover,
 they tell me that there is a recent guide in Spanish.
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki
 /File:Wikimedia_Chile_-_Gu%C3%ADa_para_subir_y_editar_archivos_en_Wikisource_%28FSA%29.pdf

 Aubrey


 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
 vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is some leaflet already on
 commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikisource_promotion
 (I'll categorize tonight the other wikisource's leaflet on Commons)

 They haven't been update in a while but they are really useful during
 manisfestations and stands.

 Cdlt, ~nicolas

 2014-06-11 14:01 GMT+02:00 Aleksey Chalabyan xelgen...@gmail.com:

 Was thinking same thing, let's make a Wikisource leaflet. Any suggestions
 on first steps to start with?
 Հնս 11, 2014 12:56-ին, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com-ը գրել
 է`

  This seems very interesting...
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets

  Aubrey

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Chapters] Fwd: Reminder: Tools only on Tool Labs from July 1

[David Cuenca]

Regarding Tesseract, I read on the WM-FR proposal form there are plans to
improve the OCR
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Proposal_form#Contributing_to_the_development_of_tools_that_respond_to_our_needs

No idea about the specifics, though. Is there anyone here from the French
chapter that could provide more details?

Micru


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Andrea Zanni, 04/06/2014 11:46:

  Hello everyone.
 I would like to remind all that the toolserver will stop working in July
 (see forwarded mail).
 Does anybody know about the status of migration of Phe's statistical
 tools?
 http://toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php?diff=1


 There is something but I don't remember whether it's more or less stable
 than on Toolserver (where it gets stuck frequently).
 https://tools.wmflabs.org/phetools/
 No idea about tesseract and candalbot either; https://www.mediawiki.org/
 wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Tool_Labs/List_of_Toolserver_Tools needs to be
 checked and updated (follow instructions on top).

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[Wikisource-l] Zürich Hackathon report (Wikisource perspective)

[David Cuenca]

This year in the Hackathon we were two Wikisource volunteers, Tpt and me,
although I must say that the number of supporters is growing. I went there
on Friday night, and left on Sunday morning, so initially I didn't expect
to accomplish much other than to catch up with new developments and
follow-up general standing issues.

One of those issues was the RFC on associated namespaces [1], it needed
more developers to comment on its general terms and on the database schema,
and I am glad that it inched forward. It is important to get this solved
because it was one of the main blockers of the GSoC last year for a
customized book uploading interface in the Upload Wizard. It also blocks
other important stuff relevant for all projects.

During the conference Max Klein and Daniel Mietchen showcased me their
Wikiproject to import Open Access papers from PubMed Central into
Wikisource [2] using an automated tool (still under development). These
imported papers later on can be cited in Wikipedia articles. I think it is
an amazing concept which revives the Wikisource aspect of supporting
Wikipedia references with current sources, and that might attract even more
positive attention to our project. This fits perfectly with the strategy
started last year of synchronizing bibliographic metadata through Wikidata,
which of course will be more feasible once arbitrary item access is
possible [3]. Daniel also has informed me that, regarding PDF import, Peter
Murray-Rust has started a project to mine scientific literature. It will be
interesting to take a closer look into their contentMine [4] and see if
there are points of intersection. He will give a keynote during Wikimania.

Matt Flaschen taught me with great patience how to set up Vagrant [5] and
what you can do with it. It is basically a virtual machine with mediawiki
installed and configured, so you have your own instance running in just a
few minutes (well, in my little 2gb-ram laptop it took much longer because
to run smoothly it needs about 8gb ram and a few cores). It is really
wonderful to have your own development mediawiki so easily installed and
accessible normally from the browser. Then there are the so called roles
that install some extensions automatically [6], like visualeditor or
proofreadpage.

I also got the opportunity to thank Nemo personally for helping me to learn
how to use the totally user-unfriendly tool from the Internet Archive to
upload images and convert them automatically into OCR'ed djvu files.
Something important for our mission, which I hope the GSoC of this year
will make easier.

In the afternoon there was the presentation of the new Executive Director,
Lila Tretikov [7]. She gave a short talk and spent most of her session
answering diverse questions from the audience, the most important for us
perhaps being what about sister projects? (thanks Cristian Consonni!).
Her answer was in the lines of there are projects more aligned with our
movement vision than others, and we might want to support those. We will
have to wait and see into which actions that statement will transform. I
hope wikisourcerors can be thankful to the new ED. For now I can say that
she transmits a positive attitude.

From his side Tpt was working on getting the other projects side bar
deployed as a beta feature [8] and on the Guided Tours for Proofread Page
extension. Amazing stuff. I really hope that his Wikimania scholarship gets
approved!

Cheers,
Micru

PS: mentioned people have been BCC'ed just for information, no action
required from them

[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Associated_namespaces
[2] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_Open_Access
[3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930
[4] https://github.com/petermr/contentMine
[5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant/Roles
[7] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/01/wmf_announces_new_ed_lila_tretikov/
[8]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Preparing mass invitation for the Wikisource meetup

[David Cuenca]

Notification sent to the main discussion pages and to the WsCUG members.

Aubrey, maybe you know which chapters wanted to build software development
capabilities? It would be good if we would invite them too ;)


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Great news,
 very happy to see things going forward :-)

 Aubrey


 On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have started a page to sign-up for the Wikisource Meetup at Wikimania
 2014 in London. If you are interested in coming please add your name so we
 can show that there is interest.
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Meetup

 And in the next days I would like to send a MassMessage inviting the WsUG
 members and each language community. The draft to be
 modified/corrected/improved is here

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_meetup_at_Wikimania_2014

 I think we still have time to apply for funds to bring selected members
 of each Wikisource language community to promote a better coordination,
 dialogue, and international projects. So if you are interested or you know
 someone we should bring, please get in touch asap.

 Ah, and during the Zurich Hackathon I met Tpt and he was working on
 getting the Other projects sitebar deployed as a beta feature on all
 sites. Basically it displays automatically the sitelinks to sister
 projects. I cannot wait to see this deployed :)
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2014-April/003690.html
 https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Appel_du_18_juin

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar

 Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Preparing mass invitation for the Wikisource meetup

[David Cuenca]

Hi all,

I have started a page to sign-up for the Wikisource Meetup at Wikimania
2014 in London. If you are interested in coming please add your name so we
can show that there is interest.
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Meetup

And in the next days I would like to send a MassMessage inviting the WsUG
members and each language community. The draft to be
modified/corrected/improved is here
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_meetup_at_Wikimania_2014

I think we still have time to apply for funds to bring selected members of
each Wikisource language community to promote a better coordination,
dialogue, and international projects. So if you are interested or you know
someone we should bring, please get in touch asap.

Ah, and during the Zurich Hackathon I met Tpt and he was working on getting
the Other projects sitebar deployed as a beta feature on all sites.
Basically it displays automatically the sitelinks to sister projects. I
cannot wait to see this deployed :)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2014-April/003690.html
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Appel_du_18_juin
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar

Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource community meet-up at Wikimania 2014

[David Cuenca]

Hi,

this year the Wikimania will be in* London* and it will be a great
opportunity to have a *Wikisource community meet-up* there. I requested a
room for* Aug 9th* (Saturday), who would be coming?

During the wmcon I learnt that it is possible to apply for funds to the GAC
to bring selected members from strategically-targeted language communities
(Diversity), or someone who wants to learn about how to revitalize their
wikisource (Community building) or learn how to start projects (Outreach).
It could also be someone from an external organization we want to partner
with. As always there must be a very strong motivation to do things and it
has to yield results, since travels are expensive. Are there suggestions
about who should we try to bring?

Additionally this year there are several Wikisource-related submissions, so
we could also package the ones that get accepted into a brouchure to
promote Wikisource and the related talks. Some that have been identified:
*DIY-Scannerhttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Open_hardware_and_Open_Source_for_Open_Content:_GLAM,_the_DIY_Book_Scanner_community_and_Wikimedia_digitalize_public_domain_books._Case_study_from_Argentina:
to learn how it was done and evaluate if we can replicate the project
internationally
*Wikisource technical
infrastructurehttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikisource_technical_infrastructure:_what_we_have_done_and_what_we_could_do:
to see what has been done and the discussion about the technical
developments
*Wikisource 
panelhttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Panel:_Wikisource,_from_digitization_to_data:
general discussion, workflow and metadata handling
*Gujarati 
Wikisourcehttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Gujarati_Wikisource:
to learn about how a small community overcame the initial challenges
*Malayalam Digitization
Contesthttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Malayalam_Wikisource_Digitization_Contest:
the Wikisource 
contesthttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/11/21/wikisource-proofreading-contest/is
becoming global, good time to discuss lessons learnt and how to make
it
grow further.

Feel free to vote them if you find them interesting!

Cheers,
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[David Cuenca]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON 
vigneron.nico...@gmail.com wrote:

 Same thing for me ; Isarra's one looks better to me.

 The blue colours are a good reminder of the iceberg but it's a bit « sad ».


The other one is not so happy either, but I like both :)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource community meet-up at Wikimania 2014

[David Cuenca]

@Nicolas, Aleksey: Thanks for pointing it out, for some reason I voted both
of them, but I forgot to add them to the list.

@Leung, Jayanta : Great! Hope to see you both there!

Cheers,
Micru


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:32 PM, 梁忠明 sprco...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I can manage to attend the event, I would be pleased to join the
 meeting.

 I am recently operating a pilot scheme to digitalise Far East-related
 works, but this year its progress is not  enough to make it a valuable
 topic to talk about, concerning its experience, scope and etc. If I'm
 there, I may probably prepare a lightning talk about it.

 Cheers,
 Leung Chung-ming
 Chinese Wikisource
 On 2014年4月18日 下午8:57, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nico...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I will be there (I asked for a scholarship too).

 I've plan to talk about the breton Wikisource in my submission :
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Lives_and_deaths_of_Wikimedia_projects_in_a_minority_language

 Cdlt, ~nicolas


 2014-04-18 13:23 GMT+02:00 Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com:

 If my scholarship is granted , I shall be their.

 Jayanta Nath
 Bengali Wikisource


 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Aleksey Chalabyan 
 xelgen...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi David,

 If I'll make it to Wikimania I'll definetly join the meetup.

 Also, I've submitted proposal for Tutorial-style presentation, mainly
 targeted for those relatively new to Wikisource.


 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/From_paper_book_to_a_digital_one_on_Wikisource


 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:42 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 this year the Wikimania will be in* London* and it will be a great
 opportunity to have a *Wikisource community meet-up* there. I
 requested a room for* Aug 9th* (Saturday), who would be coming?

 During the wmcon I learnt that it is possible to apply for funds to
 the GAC to bring selected members from strategically-targeted language
 communities (Diversity), or someone who wants to learn about how to
 revitalize their wikisource (Community building) or learn how to start
 projects (Outreach). It could also be someone from an external 
 organization
 we want to partner with. As always there must be a very strong motivation
 to do things and it has to yield results, since travels are expensive. Are
 there suggestions about who should we try to bring?

 Additionally this year there are several Wikisource-related
 submissions, so we could also package the ones that get accepted into a
 brouchure to promote Wikisource and the related talks. Some that have been
 identified:
 *DIY-Scannerhttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Open_hardware_and_Open_Source_for_Open_Content:_GLAM,_the_DIY_Book_Scanner_community_and_Wikimedia_digitalize_public_domain_books._Case_study_from_Argentina:
 to learn how it was done and evaluate if we can replicate the project
 internationally
 *Wikisource technical 
 infrastructurehttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikisource_technical_infrastructure:_what_we_have_done_and_what_we_could_do:
 to see what has been done and the discussion about the technical
 developments
 *Wikisource 
 panelhttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Panel:_Wikisource,_from_digitization_to_data:
 general discussion, workflow and metadata handling
 *Gujarati 
 Wikisourcehttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Gujarati_Wikisource:
 to learn about how a small community overcame the initial challenges
 *Malayalam Digitization 
 Contesthttps://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Malayalam_Wikisource_Digitization_Contest:
 the Wikisource 
 contesthttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/11/21/wikisource-proofreading-contest/is
  becoming global, good time to discuss lessons learnt and how to make it
 grow further.

 Feel free to vote them if you find them interesting!

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Need Import templates from EN.WS

[David Cuenca]

I'm pinging KuboF from the Esperanto User Group and Ganesh from Wikimedia
Nepal. I met them during the WMCON in Berlin and both were interested in
kickstarting their respective Wikisources.

If we manage to have a method to transfer a standard set of templates to
any wikisource, that would be helpful for them, and eventually any new
wikisource project.

Cheers,
Micru


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:40 AM, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am presuming that Nemo bis is referring to the ability for imports to
 include all templates, which is, if it works, an interesting extension on
 the process, and not one that I have seen documented.

 As a steward, I have the rights to import into your wiki, if there is a
 consensus for the importation.  I had a look at the enWS category, and
 there is a lot there that you will not want/need (especially in subcats),
 so it would be preferable to prepare a list of those that you want.

 @MF-W, bnWS already has the transwiki components configured from enWS.

 Regards, Billinghurst

 On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:31:53 +0530, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  @Nemo, Thank you for your comments,could you please give me more help?
 How
  to transclude all templates  in page A?
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
  nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Jayanta Nath, 13/04/2014 17:39:
 
   I can do this by one by one. We have no XML import rights.
 
 
  Transwiki import is enough to import any amount of pages. Just
 transclude
  them all in page A and import page A recursively.
 
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Need Import templates from EN.WS

[David Cuenca]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 We already have a method. Just make a list of such templates on a wiki
 page.


It might be quite a lot of work to decide which ones are the minimum set of
templates.

Does the list need to be formatted in any particular way? From where should
be the templates be from? En-ws or oldwikisource?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Nepali Wiki Source

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Hi Ganesh,

We had a short discussion today, it is great that you want to move the
Nepali Wikisource forward!
A good first step would be to evaluate how many members would be interested
and then decide if it is necessary to create a subdomain or if you prefer
to expand the Nepali section on the multilingual wikisource (probably
better for the start-up):
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%80

Asaf recommended creating a page about How to start a new Wikisource,
similar to this one created for Wikipedia
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:How_to_start_a_new_Wikipedia

I think that could be helpful and I will try to write a draft as soon as I
have some free time. Or if somebody wants to start it, then be bold :)

Cheers,
Micru



On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ganesh Paudel gpau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I am Ganesh from Nepal. Good have time with Andrea in Berlin to discuss
 about Wiki Source.
 We require Wiki Source in Nepali Language (ne).

 Please help us out.

 Best,
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[Wikisource-l] New Wikisource blog post?

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Hi,

It might be a good time to write a blog post about the developments on
Wikisource:
- Wikidata deployment, status
- Candidate GSoC projects
- Call for Wikisourcerors to meet in Wikimania to discuss about the already
operative User Group
- Zurich Hackathon
- RFC about Proofread namespace
- Poem extension going core
- Proofread page documentation efforts
- more?

Apart from that Aubrey and me, we are not going to continue with the IEG
(it was possible to extend it). We are both quite busy, and Aubrey recently
became president of Wikimedia Italia - congratulations! :)

Wikidata integration is ongoing, GSoC projects are ongoing, and how better
use the Wikisource Community User Group is something that can be talked
about during Wikimania this year. We will just continue promoting
Wikisource and the User Group as we always did - as volunteers :)

Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Error when creating a pagelist / for a single image

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Hi!

I was just trying to create an index page for an image, but pagelist /
returns an error:
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Llibre:Balada_de_la_gar%C3%A7a_y_la_smerla.jpg

Is that normal or I'm doing something wrong?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Data namespace for Wikisource

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AFIK, Dario did a proposal in that regard some time ago:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DataNamespace

No idea what is the current status. Maybe you could ask him?

Cheers,
Micru


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,
 volcanic User:Alex brollo is working on dictionaries, aka generating
 lists of used words in Pages and works.
 For example:
 https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Discussioni_pagina:Il_cavallarizzo.djvu/2,
 as a list of the book Il cavallarizzo.

 I bet that in the next few years (with more books, more users, Wikidata,
 and the world domination led by Wikisource) we would have more and more of
 these experiments.
 A list of used words of an ancient book could help customize OCR and tools
 for typo corrections, for example.

 Moreover, we will have Wikidata, and maybe we will need to store some
 metadata (eg page numbers, or metadata about images and scans) into
 Wikisource.
 Lua could help us build tools for creating automatic indexes, or textual
 version in ns0 (eg precompile the pagelist tag...)

 So,
 the question is: want we Wikisource communities a new Data namespace?
 How do you like the idea? Would you want to have the Wikibase extension in
 it, or just a normal namespace?

 I'm sure you will find this mail confusing, but I think we are in the need
 of something,
 I just don't know what it is :-)


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[Wikisource-l] European Commission copyright consultation

[David Cuenca]

The European Comission is asking for feedback about copyright laws. I think
now it would be a good opportunity to voice our concern from the Wikisource
perspective about copyright laws:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation


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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikimedia-l] A five-minute task new volunteers can do

[David Cuenca]

Good to know that Commons is developing its own mini-Wikisource :)

Cheers,
Micru

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:

 I've just blogged about a five-minute task new volunteers can do:


 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/help-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons-transcribe-text/

 transcribing small pieces of text in images such as foundation stones
 or signposts.

 Please feel free to circulate that through your networks, especially
 outside the existing Wikimedia community

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[Wikisource-l] The proofreading contest as a great opportunity for reaching out

[David Cuenca]

Hi,

I must say that this contest really works well as a excuse to ask for
promotion that otherwise wouldn't happen.

So far, thanks to the contest, the Catalan Wikisource appeared in at least
6 websites/blogs/news outlet, some of them minor, but other as important
for us as the National Library of Catalonia (who were so kind to announce
us on their facebook and twitter accounts).

So I recommend to take advantage of the opportunity and contact AS MANY
BLOGS AND ORGANIZATIONS AS POSSIBLE, even better if they are libraries or
literary blogs. It doesn't matter if you think it is too late for
participating or not worth the effort, they can also inform about the
results :)
I can attest that it does work as a promotion tool and letting people be
more aware of our existence :)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Crop images tool

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Aubrey, Alex,

Thank you very much for creating this tool and for sharing it. It is really
amazing.
On ca-ws we only found one bug: when exporting the document into ePub or
pdf (both with the EpubExporter and the Book Tool), the coordinates are not
exported rightly and the cropping has an offset. It might be an
incompatibility issue with the ePub exporter or something that we have not
configured right. Example:
https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Test
http://wsexport.wmflabs.org/tool/book.php?lang=caformat=epubpage=Test

Aleator said that it could be useful for Wikipedia, and I cannot agree
more. Sometimes we spend a lot of time cropping and uploading, when it can
be done much faster with this.

Micru





On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,
 user Alex Brollo has developed a very interesting tool which I think many
 of you will find very useful.
 (afaiu he developed this from a previous tool, but he can explain it
 better)

 To test it, go on your oldwikisource account,
 and in User:YOU/vector.js copy this:

 importScript(User:Alex_brollo/cornersDependencies.js);
 importScript(User:Alex brollo/corners.js);
 importStylesheet(User:Alex brollo/common.css);

 The tool will appear under Tools, and it's called Ritaglio immagini
 (crop images).
 It opens a window which allows you to select and crop an image directy on
 the page.
 It is extremely useful to use illustration directly on the page.
 It is usable both in View and Edit mode.

 In the Italian Wikisource we have made it a Gadget and button, so it's
 active for everyone.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Major update of Proofread Page

[David Cuenca]

Hi Thomas!

That's great news that the code clean-up is finished, and it even comes in
time for the anniversary :)
You say that some scripts might stop working. What about templates? Might
it have any effect on them?
One thing I have noticed is that the ns0 page seems to be editable with the
VE, but then it has no effect. Is that intended?
And is there anything in particular that you would like tested?

Cheers,
Micru




On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Thomas Tanon thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote:

 Hi everyone!

 A major update of the ProofreadPage extension will be rolled out next
 Monday, The 25th November. Most of the code related to Page: pages,
 including the edition interface, have been rewritten by Aarti Dwivedi
 (User:Rtdwivedi) with my help as part of the Google Summer of Code 2013
 project in order to have a cleaner and more maintainable code that will
 allow an easier fix of dozens of known bugs.

 We have tried to keep the same user interface and to don’t break any
 features with the help of automated testing. The only big user interface
 change is that the links for previous, next and index pages are only
 displayed as icon on Vector skin (but remains as textual links on the other
 skins).

 The HTML structure of view and edit modes of Page: pages have been
 changed, so some user scripts may be broken. OldWikisource scripts have
 been updated by User:Phe (many thanks to him) but some bugs may appear when
 the new code will be rolled out.

 The new code is currently testable on test2.wikipedia.org. Here I’ve
 created two pages in order to hep testing:
 https://test2.wikipedia.org/s/9gi and 
 https://test2.wikipedia.org/s/9i4(notice that features added by OldWikisource 
 scripts aren’t active there).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource Survey Report

[David Cuenca]

I'm also concerned about the interpretation of the data. I would appreciate
a peer review and some comments to ensure that the data was interpreted as
impartially as possible.

Thanks
Micru


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all, Micru and I are finishing the reporting and the analysis for the
 survey.
 You can find the work in progress here:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_survey_report

 As we have a deadline for our IEG final report,
 we would like to have this survey report finished as well.

 So, we are asking you few things:
 * please check if there are some data and things that still need to be
 translated
 * give us feedback on the analysis
 * tell us what you think.

 It's crucially important that you can help us as soon as possible (for
 example, for the translation).

 Thanks.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest

[David Cuenca]

@Richard: please do request a central notice. Our outreach capabilities are
quite limited and all help to spread the word will be very much
appreciated. About the logo, what do you think of adding some little
bubbles around the circled 10 as to show some effervescence? Just if you
make it look good :)

@Matthew: if the blog post could go live this Friday on 00:00 UTC that
would be great, since it would allow casual blog readers to get ready for
the competition before it begins.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Richard Nevell 
richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Would anyone object if I emailed wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org to ask
 about whether we could have up a central notice announcing both the
 anniversary and the competition?


 On 20 November 2013 11:47, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
  wrote:

 In terms of the logo how about something along the lines of the attached
 file?


 On 19 November 2013 20:58, James Hare james.h...@wikidc.org wrote:

 I've been discussing it with Wikimedia DC and we won't be participating
 in the contest for now. We may set up a contest or similar event sometime
 next year.


 On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:51 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been preparing a blog post about the anniversary and the contests,
 it would be great if someone could take a look and possibly expand. If
 possible it would be great to have an image of the Wikisource logo with a
 10 written on it. Any takers?

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Wikisource_organizes_proofreading_contests_for_its_10th_anniversary

 @James, Craig: Have WM-DC and WM-AU decided which kind of involvement do
 they wish in the contest or if an independent event will be held? So far on
 en-ws I have seen that only WM-UK is involved offering prizes:
 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest

 Cheers,
 Micru



 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Andrea Zanni 
 zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Adam, could you please give us some details about
 Speciale:RecentChangesLinked?
 Could you make some examples for all?

 Aubrey


 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Carles Paredes Lanau 
 carlespare...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Adam,

 Micru and me have decided that it's better hide works until 24th,
 because now somebody can proofread pages offline and 24th upload it all
 pages. It is not fair! I like your score table.

 In catalan wikisource, we have visible:


 https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari

 Regards,

 Carles


 2013/11/18 Adam Morgan wikisorc...@gmail.com

  OK, I've put together a rough page for the English Wikisource.  It
 should all be ready to go on the 24th.

 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest

 I'm not sure how anyone else is doing this but we've selected ten
 texts and this is going to work a lot like our Proofread of the Month
 project.  I will use Special:RecentChangesLinked to track edits on each 
 of
 the ten.

 Any thoughts or criticism?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest

[David Cuenca]

I've been preparing a blog post about the anniversary and the contests, it
would be great if someone could take a look and possibly expand. If
possible it would be great to have an image of the Wikisource logo with a
10 written on it. Any takers?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Wikisource_organizes_proofreading_contests_for_its_10th_anniversary

@James, Craig: Have WM-DC and WM-AU decided which kind of involvement do
they wish in the contest or if an independent event will be held? So far on
en-ws I have seen that only WM-UK is involved offering prizes:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest

Cheers,
Micru



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 Hi Adam, could you please give us some details about
 Speciale:RecentChangesLinked?
 Could you make some examples for all?

 Aubrey


 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Carles Paredes Lanau 
 carlespare...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Adam,

 Micru and me have decided that it's better hide works until 24th, because
 now somebody can proofread pages offline and 24th upload it all pages. It
 is not fair! I like your score table.

 In catalan wikisource, we have visible:

 https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari

 Regards,

 Carles


 2013/11/18 Adam Morgan wikisorc...@gmail.com

  OK, I've put together a rough page for the English Wikisource.  It
 should all be ready to go on the 24th.

 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest

 I'm not sure how anyone else is doing this but we've selected ten texts
 and this is going to work a lot like our Proofread of the Month project.  I
 will use Special:RecentChangesLinked to track edits on each of the ten.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest

[David Cuenca]

Hi Craig,

Your message had many interesting insights and I thank you for them. You
are right that the contest seems a bit haphazard in its goals, but
considering that it is the first attempt at something like it, and given
the little time that we have (and as Aubrey said, few volunteers to run
it), just to run *anything* it is already a challenge by itself. Yes, the
main goal is to cellebrate the anniversary, and proofread, and give and
have an extra incentive.

As for the prize I must say that it is well-suited for the small community
size of the Catalan group (about 6 very active contributors, plus some
coming and going), but for larger communities I can imagine that they would
be happier to have better prices (high-end tablets and good scanners are in
big demand too) or more quantity. The voucher idea is indeed very
interesting too (even if it is delivered at random in addition to the
regular price), I will ask to see if we have enough budget to add it to our
version.

About the outreach, well, I think the first thing to do is to show
ourselves that we can run a contest :) I don't know about other communities
but for us it is the first time and we need also to build the confidence
and the experience. If we can make it work, next year we could try again
with partnerships and to be more ambitious with the goals.

Anyhow, I really appreciate the effort put into this.

Cheers
David --Micru


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Craig Franklin 
craig.frank...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:

 Hi David,

 A couple of thoughts on this, based on Kerry Raymond's earlier post to the
 WMAU list:-

 1.  What is the purpose of this competition, other than to celebrate the
 10th anniversary?  Is it to attract new users?  Is it to get some key works
 transcribed very quickly?  Is it to distribute movement-funded prizes to
 long-term contributors?  The purpose of the competition will drive how it
 is structured.

 2.  As has been pointed out, an e-Reader, at least in Australia (and
 probably most other developed English speaking countries) is not all that
 impressive a prize, especially if you already have one or don't have an
 interest in having an e-Reader.  I think a slightly better prize would be a
 gift certificate to somewhere like Amazon or Fishpond, so at least the
 winner can choose something they know they'll like.  This may be different
 in other countries, of course.

 3.  A point-based system like what you propose is easy enough to
 administer, but if the approach is to attract new users, they'll probably
 notice that anyone that doesn't get in within the first couple of days is
 probably at a massive disadvantage to getting the prize.  In turn, this
 will make the motivational aspect of the prize disappear for anyone that
 comes late.  If we're counting on the prize to get users to do some work, I
 think we'd be disappointed.  This can be solved a bit by having a prize
 pool that can be broken into smaller pieces, so rather than a $100 e-Reader
 you can distribute a $20 voucher every day (for example).  This would mean
 that those who arrive late still have a chance of getting something.

 4.  My experience with running competitions like this is that if you
 approach it with a build it and they will come mindset, the only entrants
 you'll get are people who are already contributing in that fashion anyway.
  There needs to be some hook to get people who have not previously heard of
 or contributed to Wikisource to contribute.  Otherwise they're never going
 to hear about it and we're never going to get our new users.  Is there some
 mechanism to advertise this widely beyond just existing Wikisource users?

 5.  WMAU's experience with the Pitch In! project, where we did have the
 support of a major public institution as a hook to get those new users in,
 is that it's actually quite hard to get new users to Wikisource to 'stick'.
  I think we can expect a lot of users to do a single page, and a lot of new
 users to vanish once the contest is over.  If recruitment is the goal, then
 there needs to be a strategy to continue engaging with users who arrive for
 the competition so that we retain them.

 I don't want to be the one that pours cold water on the whole idea (I do
 think it'd be wonderful to do *something* for the 10th anniversary), but
 I'm not clear on what we're actually trying to achieve with this
 competition.

 Cheers,
 Craig Franklin




 On 7 November 2013 09:40, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since this is the first time we do it and we don't have enough
 organizational capacity, it will be easier to hold independent contests.

 For the Catalan edition we are planning to do as follows:
 - the contest will be open from Nov 24th 00 UTC till Dec 1st 23:59 UTC.
 - 2 organizers select 3 books in secret (more will be added if needed).
 The books have OCR of acceptable quality and they are not too hard to
 format. The books chosen will be disclosed when the contest begins. One
 sample page

Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

[David Cuenca]

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Daniel Kinzler
daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.dewrote:

 MediaWiki used to handle this inconsistently: multiple links for the same
 language where shown in the sidebar, but not recorded in the database. This
 inconsistency was fixed a few months ago - now, only one link per page can
 exist. I suppose that's why the template no longer works.


Someone's bug is someone else's feature... Anyhow, on fr-ws they already
have a custom menu on the left to link with other wikimedia projects
(Compléments) which is loaded by:
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
Example: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo
If you want to add a similar menu for editions then it should be compatible
with:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DoubleWiki


I'm not suggesting to always great a work *page* on wikisource, even if
 there is
 only one edition in that language. I'm saying that there should always be
 an
 *item* for the work on wikidata, even if there is only an item for one
 edition.


Sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes, I agree it makes sense to create an item
for the work on wikidata.

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[David Cuenca]

Thank you for mentioning all this, it is not related to phase 1, but it is
good to plan ahead.

- Import book data from Commons: yes, that is possible with bots. And it is
also possible to have bots to generate lists that don't comply with certain
conditions (like: has scan file (P996) but doesn't have sitelink to
wikisource). When it is ready, with queries it should be possible to
generate such lists too.

- Connecting templates to Wikidata: there is the need to have a way to map
template fields with Wikidata properties. This requires a broad discussion
since it affects many projects, if not all. In fact, some days ago I asked
James F. to open a RFC concerning this subject. I think this might be one
of the reasons why Wikidata contents are not very used in Wikipedia. It is
possible to do it with Lua, but still too hard for the average user.

- Connecting new uploaded books with Wikidata: again this is very related
to the above. As a first preparatory step, one GsoC of this year worked on
using templates (like commons:Template:Book) directly with the
UploadWizard. It generates the form according to a template, which in turn
could create both a Wikidata item and a Wikisource page when the uploaded
file is a book. However this has been stalled due to this RFC on Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/How_Commons_should_deal_with_TemplateData

- Naming conventions: that is up to each project to decide and Wikidata
doesn't change anything in that regard (i.e. the name of the sitelink
doesn't matter).

- Translations of specific editions: to indicate from which edition a
translation was made, the easiest will be to have a property in Wikidata.
It could be a translation of, derived from, or maybe even based on
(P144) could be extended to represent that. This doesn't affect interwiki
linking, since it is a metadata property similar to author, date, etc.

- User translations: In Wikidata we already have translator (P655) which
can be used with Wikisource (Q263) or another item can be created to
represent this, like Wikisource community.

Summing up, there are a lot of pieces coming together but for now we should
focus on phase 1, getting interwikis to work right with the proposed
structure, and allowing time for the users to familiarize with Wikidata.


Cheers,
Micru



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.comwrote:

 As a side issue, as any transcluded work will have an index page, and a
 file page at Commons, hopefully with any available data there will be some
 available tricks.

 * having a means to import the {{book}} data from Commons to Wikidata
 would be really useful, whether the work is at Wikisource or not, and if it
 is at Wikisource, there should be the obvious connections, or exception
 reports if they are not.

 Similarly,
 * for new works I see that it would be easier to 1) enter the metadata
 from a [book} form at WD which could then lead the way to loading the work
 at Commons with a {{book}} template that calls the properties, and can
 populate the Index namespace pages at the Wikisource. This has the value of
 being able to hopefully import book metadata from other sources at whatever
 point of time.

 enWS would normally have a work at a base name, and if there was a
 requirement to {{disambiguate}} or {{versions}} or {{translations}} that
 name becomes disambiguation (or whatever), the following preference occurs
   Base page {{disambiguate}}  Author differentiation {{version}} 
 Author/Translator differentiation {{translations}}  Author (Translations
  || Versions)



 Question.  How would you think that we will handle translations of a work?


 A base work will be in a language and have that reference to the language
 of the work

 So that work may have a translation, and the it may be from a known or
 unknown edition of a work.  Are we having a translation of ... and that
 may be on the base name, or maybe against an edition of the base?  Or do
 you see that a translation (or each translation) of a work is a new base
 work as it has a new author, and they would have a link like is a
 translation of and we could capture the edition information capture there.
 (knowing that both the original work and the translation can go to
 editions)

 As another note, there are times where the translation of a work is done
 by Wikisource volunteers, so we will know the edition, however, the
 translator is not an individual so how will we have a property that manages
 collective translation.

 Regards, Billinghurst


 On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:12:07 +0100, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes, that would be it: one work-item (acting as hub), x edition items
  connected to the work-item, each edition-item connected to its
  corresponding Wikisource page with a sitelink and, on Wikisource, an
  auto-generated nav bar that lists all sitelinks from all edition-items
 on
  the left (equivalent to the current interwiki link list

[Wikisource-l] One global proofreading contest or three independent ones?

[David Cuenca]

So far 3 chapter organizations have expressed interest supporting the 10th
aniversary Wikisource proofreading contest (planned from 24 to 30 Nov):
- Wikimedia DC
- Wikimedia Italy
- Amical Wikimedia

However, there is a question that needs to be resolved: shall we do a big
global contest or three independent contests?

With the first option we would put the prices offered by each chapter in a
pool (1 e-reader from each chapter) and then the rankings will be shared
between all partipants in all interested wikisources (we would need at
least a coordinator for each wikisource).

With the second option each prize would be for the winner at the local
wikisource offering the prize.

I would prefer a global contest, even if it requires more volunteers and
more organizational work, I think it is important to have solidarity
between chapters and wikisources.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Micru
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*Books and Bytes*

Welcome to the inaugural edition of *Books and Bytes*, The Wikipedia
Library's monthly newsletter. The Wikipedia Library is an open research hub
for connecting libraries to Wikipedia and encyclopedia editors back to
libraries and reliable sources.

There's lots of news this month for The Wikipedia Library, including new
accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved:


*New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer
Wikipedia Librarian

*Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United
States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.

*New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia
round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??

*New ideas:  OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog
Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges

* News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full
time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

* Announcing WikiProject Open:'''  WikiProject Open kicked off in October,
with several brainstorming and co-working sessions

* New ways to get involved: Free accounts, user profiles, subject guides;
room for library expansion and exploration


Read the full newsletter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/October2013

Thanks for reading! --Jake Orlowitz (Ocaasi) and Pat Earley (The Interior)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

[David Cuenca]

Excellent news! :)

For the author pages it is quite straight-forward. For the bibliographic
metadata the easiest would be to connect wikidata items with the Book:
page generated by the (planned) Book Manager extension. The Book: page is
supposed to provide the book structure and act as a metadata hub for both
books with scans (those with Index: page) and books without scans (there
was no solution for those yet)
Project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Book_management
Bugzilla page: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071
Example:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/bookmanagerv2/mediawiki/index.php?title=Book:The_Interpretation_of_Dreamsaction=edit

Problem, the extension is not finished yet and neither Molly nor Raylton
have time to keep working on it. Some bugs are still open and the fields in
the template would need to be maped to Wikidata properties. All this is not
relevant for phase 1 (if it is done only for books), but it will become
relevant for phase 2.

Is there anyone that could volunteer as an OPW mentor to help a potential
student to finish this project?

Cheers,
Micru



On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Lydia Pintscher 
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 The next sister project to get language links via Wikidata is
 Wikisource. We're currently planning this for January 13.
 The coordination is happening at
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource  On this page we're
 also looking for ambassadors to help spread the messages to the
 different language editions of Wikisource. Please help if you can.


 Cheers
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest

[David Cuenca]

Talking with some members of Amical Wikimedia about how to celebrate the
10th aniversary, one of the proposals was to organize a proofreading
contest.

Basically, we would select some books for the participants to proofread and
validate and they would gather points for each page without errors. The
person with the most points would win a Kindle donated by Amical Wikimedia.

However, we have been thinking that with the help of some members of the
Wikisource User Group and other Chapters, then we could escalate it to an
international proofreading contest, instead of being just regional. I guess
ideally we would need 3 kindles and at least a volunteer from each
community to organize it.

What do you think of the idea? Would you or any chapter that would like to
get involved?

Micru
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Google Code-In: Standardisation of templates.

[David Cuenca]

Hi Aarti,

I think it is a good idea to start with the Author template, maybe you
could post it in the Mediawiki page for the Google Code-in?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In

Another thing that also could be interesting is to find the equivalent of
wikisource templates as TEI tags.

Will you be mentoring?

Cheers,
David





On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Aarti K. Dwivedi 
ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,

  Google Code-in starts on 18 November. It is aimed at pre-university
 students aged 13-17. You can

 find more information 
 here[1]https://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/about_page.
 It is a contest and tasks are rated separately. Since, this would be the
 first

 time most of the contestants would be coding something in FOSS and would
 have relatively less expertise,

 the projects are supposed to small. I would be really glad if one of the
 contestants from Wikimedia, works

 on a Wikisource related task. 
 This[2]https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Wikisource_common_template_set
  link
 mentions that there are some templates which are common to

 a few Wikisources, but have been developed independently.


 I understand that the reason is dependency on other templates, which
 follow different development routines.

 In my opinion, templates that serve the same purpose on various
 Wikisources can be just one module,

 instead of several implementations, as is the current situation. Although
 I am not aware of all the templates

 that are used on various Wikisources,


 I would suggest that a common template be used for displaying the author
 boxes on author pages. The

 design need not be the same but the backend can be shared.


 Challenges involved:

 1. Deciding an optimal design of the template so that it works properly on
 all Wikisources/

 2. Making sure the new template does not break any template that was
 initially dependent on the author template.


 In my opinion, point 3 would be the most notorious of all the challenges
 to be handled.

 It would be great if someone from each Wikisource could tell how other
 templates are dependent on

 the author template. It might be a bit overwhelming for a newcomer, so I
 would prefer doing the standardisation

 of templates for the Wikisources, for which there are least dependencies
 on the author template


 I would like feedback from the community on the idea before I propose it
 on the code-in page[3].

 [1]
 https://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2013/about_page

 [2] https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Wikisource_common_template_set

 [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs


 Thank You,

 Aarti ( Rtdwivedi )

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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey active and ready to be public

[David Cuenca]

Just in case somebody missed Aubrey's email, this is a reminder that the
survey is active and ready to be published in the different Wikisource
project chats.

Thanks a lot to all translators for all the work done, and so quickly!

Micru


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,
 have you posted the link to the survey in your personal Wikisource?
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6taoDVAWcg6vSIZ
 I suggest you do it as soon as possible, and maybe directly use the
 sitenotice (on MediaWiki:Sitenotice) on top of all pages (ask you community
 to do so, before).

 *We will shut the survey down in 2 weeks*, so, better hurry :-)

 Aubrey


 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all, thanks to your amazing work,
 we now have the survey in 11 languages!
 (which are)
 English
 French
 Italian
 Hindi
 Catalan
 Spanish
 Russian
 Dutch
 German
 Ukrainian
 Polish

 The survey can be translated in less than an hour, so if you want to do
 that tell us NOW.
 We were thinking of activating the survey and spreading it for tomorrow
 (Sunday 13) evening, CET time, in order to making it available for 2 whole
 weeks, from Monday 14 till Monday 28.

 We encourage you to talk with your language community in these days: the
 survey could be linked in the village pumps, or, even better, in the
 sitenotice.

 We are aware that every community has different policies and customs, so
 it's much better that you talk to you own, and decide together.

 The link to the survey should always be this one:
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6taoDVAWcg6vSIZ
 If you have problem, please tell us.
 If you need any kind of assistance, please ask.
 And thanks again for the amazing work :-)

 Aubrey and Micru


 On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Arnd Schröter 
 arnd.schroe...@gmail.comwrote:

 I would go for German translation if you tell me how. ..



  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
 Von: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
 Datum: 10.10.2013 14:50 (GMT+01:00)
 An: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library 
 wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Betreff: Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey


 Hi all.
 The survey has been translated already in Italian and French, and is
 being translated in Hindi.
 Is somebody else interested in translating it in another language?
 Do you have any more feedback?

 Otherwise, we'll launch it as soon as the last translations are
 completed.

 Aubrey


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Andrea Zanni 
 zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 I will write you in private.
 For translating it, the best thing is to directly do that on the
 software.
 Is anyone else interested in doing so?
 As of now, we have French, Hindi and Italian volunteers.

 Aubrey


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Erasmo Barresi 
 erasmo_barr...@live.itwrote:

  Aubrey, you might want to change Wikisource should accept user
 translations? to Should Wikisource accept user translations?. 
 Everything
 else is good. Congratulations!

 I volunteer to translate it into Italian. Where can I write the
 translation?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey active and ready to be public

[David Cuenca]

Hi Arnd,

That is a good idea, I wrote a little paragraph on the Wikisource User
Group page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_User_Group#Updates

Is it long enough?

Micru


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Arnd arnd.schroe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,

 is there any page containing short information about the idea behind this
 survey and maybe the main people involved in it? Then, we could link
 (and/or translate) this page on our local Wikisources. This way, users
 could inform theirselves and maybe get more motivated to answer the survey.

 Arnd

   Just in case somebody missed Aubrey's email, this is a reminder that
 the survey is active and ready to be published in the different Wikisource
 project chats.

  Thanks a lot to all translators for all the work done, and so quickly!

  Micru


 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,
 have you posted the link to the survey in your personal Wikisource?
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6taoDVAWcg6vSIZ
  I suggest you do it as soon as possible, and maybe directly use the
 sitenotice (on MediaWiki:Sitenotice) on top of all pages (ask you community
 to do so, before).

  *We will shut the survey down in 2 weeks*, so, better hurry :-)

  Aubrey


 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Zanni 
 zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all, thanks to your amazing work,
 we now have the survey in 11 languages!
 (which are)
  English
 French
 Italian
 Hindi
 Catalan
 Spanish
 Russian
 Dutch
 German
 Ukrainian
 Polish

  The survey can be translated in less than an hour, so if you want to
 do that tell us NOW.
 We were thinking of activating the survey and spreading it for tomorrow
 (Sunday 13) evening, CET time, in order to making it available for 2 whole
 weeks, from Monday 14 till Monday 28.

  We encourage you to talk with your language community in these days:
 the survey could be linked in the village pumps, or, even better, in the
 sitenotice.

  We are aware that every community has different policies and customs,
 so it's much better that you talk to you own, and decide together.

  The link to the survey should always be this one:
 https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6taoDVAWcg6vSIZ
 If you have problem, please tell us.
 If you need any kind of assistance, please ask.
  And thanks again for the amazing work :-)

  Aubrey and Micru


 On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Arnd Schröter arnd.schroe...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  I would go for German translation if you tell me how. ..



  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
 Von: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
 Datum: 10.10.2013 14:50 (GMT+01:00)
 An: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library 
 wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Betreff: Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey


 Hi all.
 The survey has been translated already in Italian and French, and is
 being translated in Hindi.
 Is somebody else interested in translating it in another language?
 Do you have any more feedback?

  Otherwise, we'll launch it as soon as the last translations are
 completed.

  Aubrey


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Andrea Zanni 
 zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 I will write you in private.
 For translating it, the best thing is to directly do that on the
 software.
 Is anyone else interested in doing so?
 As of now, we have French, Hindi and Italian volunteers.

  Aubrey


  On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Erasmo Barresi 
 erasmo_barr...@live.it wrote:

   Aubrey, you might want to change Wikisource should accept user
 translations? to Should Wikisource accept user translations?. 
 Everything
 else is good. Congratulations!

  I volunteer to translate it into Italian. Where can I write the
 translation?

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[Wikisource-l] DNB 11M bibliographic records as CC0

[David Cuenca]

Hi,

Maybe this is interesting as an import source for bibliographic info
http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliography/2013/08/06/german-national-library-offers-over-11-million-marc21-records-under-cc0-open-license/

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] DNB 11M bibliographic records as CC0

[David Cuenca]

No, we don't need to import them all, but there was always the question if
we were allowed to import that data from external sources.
At least for the DNB that question has been settled.

Cheers,
Micru




On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 This seems very interesting: maybe, there will be a time when Wikidata (or
 similar) will host the bibliographic records
 of thousands of libraries...

 Right now, I'm not sure if we want to discuss a massive upload of these
 records in WD,
 because:
 * they are in MARC, which is way more complex than the list of
 bibliographic properties  currently in WD
 * they will be in German
 * do we really need so many records of books, articles and work, at this
 early stage?

 Aubrey


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 Hi,

 Maybe this is interesting as an import source for bibliographic info

 http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliography/2013/08/06/german-national-library-offers-over-11-million-marc21-records-under-cc0-open-license/

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Proofread extension extraction of OCR text in Djvu

[David Cuenca]

I'm forwarding this message by George Orwell III on en-ws [1]. I think it
is extremely important as it offers an insight about what is wrong with
Djvu handling on Wikisource.


We/you are losing the X-min, Y-min, X-Max  Y-max (mapping coordinates)
because the original PHP contributing a-hole for the DjVu routine on our
servers never bothered to finish the part where the internal DjVu text
layer is converted to a (coordinate rich) XML file using the existing
DjVuLibre software package because, at the time, the software had issues.

That faulty DjVuLibre version was the equivalent of 4,317 versions ago and
the issue has been long fixed now EXCEPT that the .DTD file needed to base
the plain-text to XML conversion on still has the wrong 'folder path' on
local DjVuLibre installs (if this is true on server installs as well, I
cannot say for sure). Once I copied the folder to the [wrong] folder path,
I was able to generate the XMLs all day long. These XMLs are just like the
ones IA generates during their process (in addition to the XML that AABBY
generates for them).

So its not that we as a community decided not to follow through with
(coordinate rich) XML generation but got stuck with the plain-text dump
workaround due to a DjVuLibre problem that no longer exists. Plus, the guy
who created the beginnings of this fabulous disaster was like tick with an
attention span deficit and moved on to conjuring up some other blasted
thing or another instead of following up on his own workaround  finish the
XML coding portion once DjVuLibre glitch was fixed. -- 15:16, 15 July 2013
(UTC)


[1]
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#EPUB.2FHTML_to_Wikitext

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a brief comment about djvu text layer, using IA files to digging
 deeper the topic.

 FineReader OCR stores an incredibly detailed information in a proprietary
 format; then, various FineReader versions export something of this
 extremely rich set of information into different outputs - one of them
 being djvu text layer. It's worth to note that even if any information
 stored into djvu text layer can be extracted and used, the set of
 information wrapped into djvu text layer (both in lisp-like format or in
 xml format) is only a minor subset of original OCR information.

 If someone is interested to get much more information, it can find it into
 abbyy.xml output; and Internet Archive gives it as abbyy.gz into the list
 of exportable files. It's a very heavy and complex xml structure but it is
 possible to parse it, end to extract from it any information wrapped into
 djvu text layer and much more - most interestingly, wortPenalty, that is,
 word by word, the resume of degree of incertainty of OCR recognition of the
 whole word.

 We (I and Aarti) are digging into this mess, with fast preliminary
 results; you can see into [[it:w:Utente:Alex brollo/Sandbox]] some brief
 pieces of text extracted from abbyy.gx, where doubtful  words (in the
 opinion of OCR software) are red. They can be easily managed by
 VisualEditor - caming simply from a simple span tag.

 Now, I'm waiting dor Aarti work; as soon a VisualEditor for nsPage will
 run, it would be possible to extract text by bot from abbyy.gz (if the work
 comes from IA) and to upload such text as OCR.

 Alex



 2013/7/16 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com

 Hi Aubrey,
 Thanks for the heads-up, I have CC'ed Sébastien from fr-ws, he worked on
 the djvu text extraction/merging and he was interested in following-up on
 that. Maybe he has some fresh ideas about it.

 Micru

 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Andrea Zanni 
 zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi David, Aarti, thibaud and Tpt,
 please look at this thread:

 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#EPUB.2FHTML_to_Wikitext
 especially the last message.

 It seems George Orwell III knows his stuff about Djvu and Proofread
 extension,
 and it's probably worth digging into this layer text djvu thing.

 Even if I might dream of an ideal solution (a layered structure for
 wikisource, in which text can marked up several times in different layers)
 that is probably very far away.

 But it's still important to pave the way for further improvements, I
 guess:
 losing all the information from a formatted, mapped IA djvu it's not a
 good thing to do, IMHO.
 And the Visual Editor could help us, in the future, to keep some of that
 information (italics, bold, etc.)

 I know Aarti spoke with Alex about abbyy.xml: is it possible to do
 something with it?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Phe toolserver

[David Cuenca]

Total migration to the new server should happen before 2014, but until then
it should work
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Tool_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Thibaut Horel thibaut.ho...@gmail.comwrote:

  It's more like the whole toolserver is down, though I don't know why...


 On 07/13/2013 10:37 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:

 Is Phe toolserver stats down for good?
 http://toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php

  Aubrey


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Re: [Wikisource-l] RfC draft for the new Wikisource tools and future workflow

[David Cuenca]

Great! We need to target all Wikisource languages not only the ones that
are on the list :)
I will send you an email telling you more.

Thanks for your help!
David

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Aarti K. Dwivedi 
ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

  I would like to help with writing the message so that I become
 familiar with the community. I wouldn't be able to help with translation
 because my French is very
 basic and I don't know other mentioned languages.

 Thank You,
 Aarti --Rtdwivedi


 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:07 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been preparing a document that explains how the three GsoC-related
 projects will affect Wikisource and how book metadata could be connected
 with Wikidata
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micru/Wikisource_across_projects

 All the tools are supposed to be opt-in, so no community will be forced
 to take any tool or way of working they don't want to.
 I would appreciate your feedback about the draft because we would like to
 send a message to the most active users in all wikisources and invite them
 to join this mailing list and the proposed Wikisource User Group [1]
 The tentative list that Andrea has been preparing is here. Please
 expand/reduce as you feel convenient. You know better who could be
 interested!

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikisource_contributors

 Usually we would have preferred to use the Central Discussions pages
 only, but experience shows that this messages tend to be ignored, maybe
 there are too many of them.
 Since in this case the changes/improvements are quite big, we believe
 that it is important to reach out to as many users as possible to give them
 the opportunity to participate in the discussions and voice their opinion.
 Would be anyone available to help to write the invitation or translate it
 into other languages?

 Cheers
 David ---Micru

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[Wikisource-l] RfC draft for the new Wikisource tools and future workflow

[David Cuenca]

I've been preparing a document that explains how the three GsoC-related
projects will affect Wikisource and how book metadata could be connected
with Wikidata
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micru/Wikisource_across_projects

All the tools are supposed to be opt-in, so no community will be forced to
take any tool or way of working they don't want to.
I would appreciate your feedback about the draft because we would like to
send a message to the most active users in all wikisources and invite them
to join this mailing list and the proposed Wikisource User Group [1]
The tentative list that Andrea has been preparing is here. Please
expand/reduce as you feel convenient. You know better who could be
interested!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikisource_contributors

Usually we would have preferred to use the Central Discussions pages only,
but experience shows that this messages tend to be ignored, maybe there are
too many of them.
Since in this case the changes/improvements are quite big, we believe that
it is important to reach out to as many users as possible to give them the
opportunity to participate in the discussions and voice their opinion.
Would be anyone available to help to write the invitation or translate it
into other languages?

Cheers
David ---Micru

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_User_Group
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[Wikisource-l] Proposal to move the Oldwikisource projects to the Incubator

[David Cuenca]

Someone (not me) has proposed to move the language projects hosted in
Oldwikisource to the Incubator
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Move_betawikiversity_and_oldwikisource_to_Incubator

I'm not sure if is a good idea or if it is technically feasible at all, but
you can comment it on the link.

Thanks!
Micru
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Re: [Wikisource-l] OA books in Wikisource

[David Cuenca]

There is also a this simple pdf to epub converter
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/44395/Conversion-of-PDF-to-EPUB-Format

If it works well, it also should be possible to do a conversion:
pdf-epub-html-wikitext

Cheers,
Micru

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,
 I'm in Geneva (with fellow wikimedians) at a OA conference and we are
 talking *a lot* about Wikisource.

 We have found a very high quality publisher of OA books (
 http://www.openbookpublishers.com/, released in CC-BY), that would be
 utmost happy to have their books in Wikisource.

 I think the first issue is technical:
 * do we have a tool that easily takes an EPUB/HTML and convert it in books
 in Wikisource? I'm thinking now about ns0, not nspage.

 I think that if we can take a HTML/EPUB index, and transform it in a draft
 Wikisource index of links, and upload all the chapters, formatted, we would
 have done the 90% of an upload of a book.

 This would be really important to insert up to date, high quality OA
 content in Wikisource, easily accessible for Wikipedians too.
 And, moreover, Open Access books are more relevant to Wikisource than Open
 Access articles (IMHO).

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[Wikisource-l] Impressions from LODLAM 2013

[David Cuenca]

I'm just back from the LODLAM summit in Montreal, Canada and here there is
a short report.

==About LODLAM and why I was there==
LODLAM (http://lodlam.net) is a gathering of people interested in LOD
(linked open data) and LAM (Libraries, Archives, and Museums), so I thought
it would be interesting to find partners and raise awareness about the
Wikisource revitalization effort, all this thanks to the Grants:IEG
support. The audience was very diverse, not only from cultural
institutions, but also from some research centers and private companies.
OKFN, Europeana, DPLA, and other big players had representatives there.
AFIK, I was the only person from the Wikimedia movement, so I ended up
representing all things wiki, specially Wikidata. These spontaneous
activities are briefly described here [1].
The format of the event was that of an [[open-space technology]] gathering,
similar to unconferences.

Some information and reflexions to share:

== Rewards  contributor retention ==
During a talk about licenses (which dealt about the difficulties of having
content with different licenses), there were some mention about Datahub
[2], a recently launched project to share datasets, formerly known as ckan.
The discussion revolved around the reward that contributors get for
releasing their datasets. There was some consensus that the use of the
released data is the reward, which lead to another debate about how to
convey data use to contributors. It can be complicated or simplified to
just leave a gratitude comment by the person using the dataset.

All this led me to think about the emotional vs rational rewards that users
(or institutions) obtain from contributing content to Wikipedia, Commons,
Wikisource, etc. Are really active thanks, as currently implemented,
suistainable and scalable? Will all the contributors who deserve it get a
thanks some day? Could personalized view counts/ratings reports about
uploaded pictures, major contributions to WP articles, etc. have some
impact on contributor satisfaction/retention? Would automated personal
impact reports free collaborators from the duty of thanking one another,
or would that mean less personal interactions?
These are some questions that I leave open here.

==Semantic annotations ==
As you might know there is a GSoC [3] which aims to convert the OKFN
Annotator [4] into a Mediawiki extension. That is a great project that will
enable inline comments in mediawiki projects, but it shouldn't be seen as
the end, but only an step in the direction of semantic annotations.
What could semantic annotations mean for Wikipedia? More precise answers to
questions. Instead of just having millions of articles there would be the
possibility of answering trillions of questions (or at least pointing to
the text fragment(s) that has/have the answer). This kind of paradigm shift
might need some pondering and broad community discussion.
What could semantic annotations mean for Wikisource? Text
interconectedness. Be able to relate concepts, authors, fragments... and
then be able to query those relationships.

==Input interfaces for linked data==
The best linked data it is the one that is invisible to the user, but then,
how to enable end users to write linked data? From the several
approaches, the most convincing seemed to use a text symbol (#, +, !, or
others) to indicate that the text following it represents a linked entity.
In the case of the VisualEditor in Wikipedia, one could write
#article_name, and right after entering the # and the first letters, a
list of options (from Wikidata) would show up to autocomplete/disambiguate.
After selecting the right item, one could continue writing or type a dot to
select a property (like in some object-oriented programming languages do).
This approach simplifies the interlinking and also the data inclusion.

==Other news==
- The Getty vocabularies will be published as linked open data (late 2013,
ODC_BY 1.0 license) [6]
- Pund.it [5] - open source semantic annotation project that won the lodlam
challenge award
- Karma, tools for mapping data to ontologies [7]

Cheers,
Micru


[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2013-June/002388.html
[2] http://datahub.io/
[3]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rjain/Proposal-Prototyping-inline-comments
[4] http://okfnlabs.org/annotator/
[5] http://www.thepund.it/
[6] http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/index.html
[7]
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Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

[David Cuenca]

I think everything is doable, the problem is how to do it without
cluttering the interface and keeping things simple.

Some levels might be redundant and we could take the chance to think if
they are really necessary.

Some proposed changes:
- Proofread page levels: Unused, Proofread, Proofread with format,
Validated (the unused level would mean: pages with no text, ocr text,
pages with irrelevant content).
- All pages would be created at start with the extracted ocr text at
unused level, so finally search engines could also find our texts even if
they are not started yet
- A checkbox list to tag pages: damaged scan, missing scan, contains
media (image, score, etc)
- Color codes: like now plus orange for Proofread with format. Page with
tags would affect the color too. damaged would make the color half purple
and half the corresponding proofread level color, contains media could
add a (black?) square around the page number
- Proofread book levels should be automatic to the lowest page level, plus
two options, one to mark the book as ready to export and another one to
mark it as digital source, which would bring all pages at proofread
level.

For the metadata interface I keep thinking about it, and my impression is
that we should start working from Template:Book [1] until having a version
that can be used across Commons, Index pages, and books without supporting
scans (in this last case it could be the same header template with an
option to expand it to show the whole template:book).
That template also might need some coloring/reorganizing to reflect the
Work/Edition distinction that Wikidata is bringing [2]
And if with Lua it is possible to read/write Wikidata, then the possible
migration towards a Wikidata-powered Wikisource shouldn't be that far away.

Cheers,
Micru

[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Book
[2] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Thibaut Horel thibaut.ho...@gmail.comwrote:

 3. The current system with 4 quality levels to represent the proofreading
 state of a page is not sufficient to represent the diversity of
 proofreading scenarios. Indeed, there is a distinction to make between the
 *correctness* of the text and its *formatting*. In the case of a scanned
 edition which has been OCRed, we do need several passes before reaching a
 satisfying level of confidence about the correctness of the text as well as
 a suitable formatting (proper use of the wikicode, etc.). For digital-born
 documents however, as billinghurst said, we can automatically assume that
 the extracted text is correct, but that still doesn't mean that the text is
 correctly formatted and ready to be transcluded in the main namespace.
 Maybe we should add another level meaning text is correct, still needs
 formatting? Ideally, we should have to scales of quality levels: one
 dealing with the correctness of the text, and one dealing with its
 formatting. This would probably be too heavy and confusing though...


 I couldn't agree more.
 I think this could be an opportunity also to make task *smaller* and
 *clearer*
 (in the direction of microtask, which are contributions in crowdsourcing
 projects which are small, definite and simple. eg GalaxyZoo, reCAPTCHA).

 We could define some tasks as
 * corrected the page
 * proofread the text
 * formatted the page
 * validated the formatting
 * OPTIONAL added optional templates/links/annotations
 *...

 We could even have qualifiers (all/part of the page, ...)

 Is this idea crazy, or somewhat doable?

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[Wikisource-l] Converting pdf files into wiki markup

[David Cuenca]

It is not a trivial matter. The best bet would be to take an existing pdf
import tool for a word processor, and try to write a similar tool for
wikitext.

There is the Oracle PDF Import Extension for Open Office, the code can be
browsed, maybe it can give you some ideas
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport

Micru

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 When we tried to convert into wiki code (a needed step to add links and to
 convert files into a wiki hypertext) a pdf file, that's a opaque, closed
 format, such a work turned off in a nightmare. If we simply load free pdf
 books as they are, I don't see any advantage, but feed wikisource
 numbers/statistics nd this in presently far from my personal interest.

 As you guess, I'm one of users who don't support Aubrey's enthusiasm about
  texts born digital, even if free. :-)

 Alex


 2013/6/12 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com

 Nobody is saying anything about using copyrighted works, there are many
 books that have an open license that would allow to include them in
 Wikisource.

 For instance in ca-ws we have this translation from 2009:

 http://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Llibre:El_secret_de_l%E2%80%99or_que_creix_%282009%29.djvu

 The original is in the PD, and the translator gave away his rights. It
 would have been much easier to work directly with the pdf, instead of
 converting to djvu.

 Micru


 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Aarti K. Dwivedi 
 ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I am not wrong, as of today, most books that were born digital, are
 still under copyright. Of course, they are available freely on the
 internet. But we can't use the pirated copies. How would we go about the
 procurement of these books?
 If we procure these copyrighted books, then the only we would have to do
 is to check for proper formatting. Isn't it?


 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:

 On 06/12/2013 02:48 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote:

 We could define some tasks as
 * corrected the page
 * OPTIONAL added optional templates/links/annotations
 *...


 Geotagged all the photos, ...

 The list doesn't end. You need a generic mechanism
 for any new feature you can invent. But aren't our
 existing templates and categories the best way to
 do this? You could just add to each page:
 {{done|proofread=user1|**validated=user2|geotagged=**user4|...}}


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[Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

[David Cuenca]

With the deployment of Wikidata it is a good moment to re-examine what
Index pages are and what should be their function.
The most direct transition to a Wikidata-supported Wikisource could be
something like this:
https://sites.google.com/site/dacuetu/BookData.pdf

That would allow:
- to share data book data between Commons, Wikisource and Wikipedia
- to update it, when any of the sites has been updated
- to facilitate better search functions (like searches by author, or topic,
limiting the date range or the language)

That would only apply to those texts which use a Index: page, so now the
question is, what do we do with books that do not have supporting scans
(and therefore no index page)?

Some possible options:
a) ignore pages without sources and focus only on works with supporting
scans
b) use ns0 pages also as data containers (instead of, or in addition to
Index pages)
c) create Index: pages for all works, with or without scans. Use that
instead of Template:Textinfo

Personally I prefer option c, even if it would require to rename Index:
to Source: to make more clear what are those pages, however I would like
to hear the opinion of other wikisourcerors about this.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

[David Cuenca]

@Alex: but what do you think of storing the source information in Index:
pages for all works stored in Wikisource, even if they don't have a
supporting scan?

That was the original question :)

About your proposed library, it would be more useful if it could modify
data in Wikidata, not only import it. Besides, if the Wikidata client is
installed in Wikisource, the inclusion syntax already takes care of
displaying data...

Micru

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't see the need to change deeply Index/ns0 relationship, while I
 appreciate the idea promote coherence reducing redundance (many years ago
 I painfully used dBase III - dBase IV and I learned that principle by try
 and learn).

 Here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Scribunto/Brainstorming a
 brief message about relationship among wikidata, commons, wikisource and
 any other project. Don't follow the link, it's so short that I copy it here
 (but if you like it, comment it there):

 Scribunto-Lua and Wikidata
 I'd like a library to get Wikidata content; it would be a good idea IMHO
 to access to Wikidata data in plain form, just as such data would be Lua
 tables/variables. --Alex brollo (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 If such a Lua library could be built, to import data from wikidata would
 be as simple, as writing a template, and data will be self-aligned.

 Alex


 2013/6/10 Aarti K. Dwivedi ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 There was a thread some time ago where there were talks of having
 books which were born digital. These pages wouldn't have scans.
 What the 'Index' page would have in these cases is something I am not
 very sure about.

 Cheers,
 Rtdwivedi


 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 With the deployment of Wikidata it is a good moment to re-examine what
 Index pages are and what should be their function.
 The most direct transition to a Wikidata-supported Wikisource could be
 something like this:
 https://sites.google.com/site/dacuetu/BookData.pdf

 That would allow:
 - to share data book data between Commons, Wikisource and Wikipedia
 - to update it, when any of the sites has been updated
 - to facilitate better search functions (like searches by author, or
 topic, limiting the date range or the language)

 That would only apply to those texts which use a Index: page, so now
 the question is, what do we do with books that do not have supporting scans
 (and therefore no index page)?

 Some possible options:
 a) ignore pages without sources and focus only on works with supporting
 scans
 b) use ns0 pages also as data containers (instead of, or in addition to
 Index pages)
 c) create Index: pages for all works, with or without scans. Use that
 instead of Template:Textinfo

 Personally I prefer option c, even if it would require to rename
 Index: to Source: to make more clear what are those pages, however I
 would like to hear the opinion of other wikisourcerors about this.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

[David Cuenca]

No, it won't be stored in Wikisource, but still there is the need to
present the information in a consistent manner.
If you want to display the information on ns0, you will end up needing the
same fields that the Index: page is using now.
So why not to have the same solution for both?

It could also be a template with a reduced set of fields that expands to
show Template:Book with linked data from Wikidata, no matter if they have
supporting scans or not.

Micru

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Simply there is no need to store data twice or more, if they are
 dinamically imported from wikidata. Such data would be simply generated by
 a normal template. Something similar to Commons media sharing: most
 wikipedians but beginners know that when you want to edit a shared media
 file, you must do you edit in Commons; there's no need to host a media file
 locally.

 So, IMHO a good Lua wikidata-reading library could avoid at all to store
 data in wikisource, or wikipedia, or Commons.

 Alex


 2013/6/10 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com

 @Alex: but what do you think of storing the source information in
 Index: pages for all works stored in Wikisource, even if they don't have
 a supporting scan?

 That was the original question :)

 About your proposed library, it would be more useful if it could modify
 data in Wikidata, not only import it. Besides, if the Wikidata client is
 installed in Wikisource, the inclusion syntax already takes care of
 displaying data...

 Micru


 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.comwrote:

 I don't see the need to change deeply Index/ns0 relationship, while I
 appreciate the idea promote coherence reducing redundance (many years ago
 I painfully used dBase III - dBase IV and I learned that principle by try
 and learn).

 Here:
 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Scribunto/Brainstorming a
 brief message about relationship among wikidata, commons, wikisource and
 any other project. Don't follow the link, it's so short that I copy it here
 (but if you like it, comment it there):

 Scribunto-Lua and Wikidata
 I'd like a library to get Wikidata content; it would be a good idea IMHO
 to access to Wikidata data in plain form, just as such data would be Lua
 tables/variables. --Alex brollo (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 If such a Lua library could be built, to import data from wikidata would
 be as simple, as writing a template, and data will be self-aligned.

 Alex


 2013/6/10 Aarti K. Dwivedi ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 There was a thread some time ago where there were talks of having
 books which were born digital. These pages wouldn't have scans.
 What the 'Index' page would have in these cases is something I am not
 very sure about.

 Cheers,
 Rtdwivedi


 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.comwrote:

 With the deployment of Wikidata it is a good moment to re-examine what
 Index pages are and what should be their function.
 The most direct transition to a Wikidata-supported Wikisource could be
 something like this:
 https://sites.google.com/site/dacuetu/BookData.pdf

 That would allow:
 - to share data book data between Commons, Wikisource and Wikipedia
 - to update it, when any of the sites has been updated
 - to facilitate better search functions (like searches by author, or
 topic, limiting the date range or the language)

 That would only apply to those texts which use a Index: page, so now
 the question is, what do we do with books that do not have supporting 
 scans
 (and therefore no index page)?

 Some possible options:
 a) ignore pages without sources and focus only on works with
 supporting scans
 b) use ns0 pages also as data containers (instead of, or in addition
 to Index pages)
 c) create Index: pages for all works, with or without scans. Use
 that instead of Template:Textinfo

 Personally I prefer option c, even if it would require to rename
 Index: to Source: to make more clear what are those pages, however I
 would like to hear the opinion of other wikisourcerors about this.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Playing with Lua, javascript and pagelist tag

[David Cuenca]

@Alex: one thing I always would have liked to have is an /all page that
would display all the ocr text and that would replace it by proofread text
as soon as each page would be created.
It would be the equivalent of the text dump by internet archive and it
would allow search engines to find text in the books even if they haven't
been proofread yet.
Automatic creation of page transclusion is nice but also dangerous... too
many structures to have an easy solution. It could be easier to have a
parser that would read the proofread pages, detect section marks and
create pages accordingly. IIRC, Phe did already something like that,
perhaps you could port it to Lua?

By the way, do you think it would make sense that the Modulo:Dati is
generated automatically by the Index: page? Maybe each time that it is
saved?

Micru

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found a limit at approx 4000 calls of template|Pg; so I splitted the
 whole page
 http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Annali_del_Principato_ecclesiastico_di_Trento_dal_1022_al_1540/Indice
  into
 smaller subpages AZ and now the script runs happily.

 In the meantime, I'm translating js script which builds Modulo:Dati/
 in python, so that Alebot (running into TS willow and listening
 #it.wikisource) could write/update Modulo:Dati/... page as soon as
 Index:page has been edited. Index page edits are not so frequent IMHO, they
 are relatively stable pages. Global number of source edits would not been
 flooded IMHO by such additive edits of Modulo:Dati subpages.

 I'm thinking too about loading other useful book-related data which could
 be uploaded into Modulo:Dati to be used into any nsPage and  ns0 page
 related with rootIndex: page. I'm dreaming about an almost integral
 automation of ns0 transclusion.

 But I absolutely need Aubrey's suggestions.  :-)

 Alex




 2013/6/5 Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com

 I'm testing tl|Pg into a hard case, transcluded page will contain more
 than 8000 Pg template and Pg module calls; no expensive parser function is
 added by Lua.

 This is the page I'm working about:
 http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Annali_del_Principato_ecclesiastico_di_Trento_dal_1022_al_1540/Indice

 Alex


 2013/6/3 Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com

 Done Lars; I edited Modulo:Pg to keep Template:Pg simpler.

 Alex




 2013/6/3 Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com

 Thanks Lars: OK. :-)


 2013/6/3 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se

 On 06/03/2013 12:10 AM, Alex Brollo wrote:

 Take a look to this page http://it.wikisource.org/**
 wiki/Pagina:Manuale_di_**economia_politica_con_una_**
 introduzione_alla_scienza_**sociale.djvu/583http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pagina:Manuale_di_economia_politica_con_una_introduzione_alla_scienza_sociale.djvu/583.
 As you see, page numbers are simply wrapped into a tl|Pg. No other
 parameters. Nevertheless, they are transformed into active links do right
 djvu pages.

 Now, go here http://it.wikisource.org/**wiki/Manuale_di_economia_**
 politica_con_una_introduzione_**alla_scienza_sociale/Indice_**
 dei_nomi_di_autori#pagename583http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Manuale_di_economia_politica_con_una_introduzione_alla_scienza_sociale/Indice_dei_nomi_di_autori#pagename583
 ** where the same page is transcluded in ns0. Page numbers now are
 active links to the right subpage/chapter.

 This trick uses: Template:Pg http://it.wikisource.org/**
 wiki/Template:Pg http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Pg,
 Modulo:Pg 
 http://it.wikisource.org/**wiki/Modulo:Pghttp://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Modulo:Pg,
 and this Modulo:Dati/Manuale http://it.wikisource.org/**
 wiki/Modulo:Dati/Manuale_di_**economia_politica_con_una_**
 introduzione_alla_scienza_**sociale.djvuhttp://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Modulo:Dati/Manuale_di_economia_politica_con_una_introduzione_alla_scienza_sociale.djvu;
 nothing more than this, no javascript and no AJAX, so I presume (I didn't
 test by now) that links are running too into any html-based export of ns0
 pages as server builds them.


 Excellent! However, on the transcluded page, the link goes only to the
 chapter URL. It should also add #pag137 or #pagename147, since
 all page links in the margin of the transcluded chapter are marked
 like this:... id=pag137span id=pagename147...


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Reunification of Wikisources

[David Cuenca]

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 [...]
 From what I recall, localisation was definitely not the reason for
 splitting. It's also wrong to assume that bringing people on the same wiki
 will give you a single community: you may well just lose the (senses of)
 communities and end up with a dispersed array of editors.


Ideally we should aim to keep that sense of communities and at the same
time share tools and certain pages across Wikisources.
I wonder if some day it would be technically feasible to have a way of
marking certain pages as global so they can exist simultaneously in all
language versions. That would be a boon for script/template sharing.

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[Wikisource-l] Reunification of Wikisources

[David Cuenca]

Hi Jane, hi Alex,

Yes, I agree with you that a centralized Wikisource would be quite
meaningful, specially now that projects like Wikidata have shown that it is
possible to have both localization and centralization living in harmony.
I know that Doug (cc'ed) did some experiments with this goal in mind, but I
have no idea how far he is now.
Apart from the technical challenge, it also worries me the social aspect.
Wikisourcerors from each Wikisource and have lived in isolation from each
other for a long time. How would be a reunification perceived by the
different communities? Would it be something wanted?

Andrea and me have the pending task of contacting the communities, so this
is something that we should bring up among other important topics (like the
creation of a Wikisource User Group:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_User_Groups)

The OPW is a grant program for students similar to Google Summer of Code
focused on helping bring more female contributors to open source projects.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women
So yes, it is a gendergap project, but we can offer wikisource-related
projects as we did with GsoC.

David --Micru

PS: Some of those plates are quite scary... I love them :)


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi David and Alex,
 I am also starting to think that one project would be a whole lot
 simpler, especially given the lack of cross-referencing between
 projects, which would be nice to have in the wikisource of many
 popular wikipedia languages - especially for translated texts.

 Years ago, while researching an urban legend, I took some photographs
 of the engravings and the table of contents of a Latin book and its
 Dutch translation a century later. At the time I was toying with the
 idea of cross referencing the stories but realized quickly there was
 no way to do this on Wikisource. I put my scans here:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Observationes_Medicae_by_Nicolaes_Tulp

 Wouldn't it be easier to have just one Wikisource and have all
 language-related information reside in interface layers and for the
 language of texts, the category structure? This would make the Lua
 interface easier to achieve and work on.

 David, do you mean by Outreach Program for Women to refer to a
 specific wikisource project other than the general ones we have for
 the gendergap project?

 Jane

 2013/5/31, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com:
  I agree fully Micru.
  Obviously, my dream is something much simpler and clear-cut: a unique
  wikisource for all languages, since an unique project for any textual
 media
  is needed IMHO just as a common project for any non-textual media is
  running: Commons; and a common project for data now exists: Wikidata.
 
  And now, let's go to explore Lua a little bit more I presume, that
  mw.loaderData() can  read a table of Lua functions too, if I understand
 Lua
  table features. So, shared modules could perhaps be hosted into one data
  module only. Let's try 
 
  Alex
 
 
 
 
  2013/5/31 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com
 
  Hi all,
 
  After a talk with Brad Jorsch during the Hackathon (thanks again Brad
 for
  your patience), it became clear to me that Lua modules can be localized
  either by using system messages or by getting the project language code
  (mw.getContentLanguage().getCode()) and then switching the message. This
  second option is less integrated with the translation system, but can
  serve
  as intermediate step to get things running.
 
  For Wikisource it would be nice to have a central repository (sitting on
  wikisource.org) of localized Lua modules and associated templates. The
  documentation could be translated using Extension:Translate. These
  modules,
  templates and associated documentation would be then synchronized with
  all
  the language wikisources that subscribe to an opt-in list. Users would
 be
  then advised to modify the central module, thus all language versions
  would
  benefit of the improvements. This could be the first experiment of
 having
  a
  centralized repository of modules.
 
  What do you think of this? Would be anyone available to mentor an
  Outreach
  Program for Women project?
 
  Thanks,
  David Cuenca --Micru
 
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