[Wikitech-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
Hi all. WMF Engineering is currently composed of individual teams as documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering . These teams look after the software that faces us everyday, and often work together. Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’ team) who could do these things: - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd like, - run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the current Teams are working on], - encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location of, all community-developed programming work, - raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia projects, - actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets hackers in the Free Software philosophy? This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team (with just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support). Open to brainstorming and suggestions. I would compile thoughts into a wiki page afterwards to continue thinking on the idea. Regards Gryllida. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Anonymous editors IP addresses
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, at 23:34, Gilles Dubuc wrote: IP addresses are closely guarded for registered users, why wouldn't anonymous users be identified by a hash of their IP address in order to protect their privacy as well? While I don't horribly mind some changes in the direction you're writing, I think that: 1) Privacy is defined as The state of being free from unsanctioned intrusion. An IP, as a fundamental identifier, has as much to do with privacy as a car number you see on a street. (Anyone can look up a name by car number, in my area, which I expect to be common.) Firefox folks are, iirc, considering providing IP-based links in the new tab with one of the next releases. These links would include local shops and restaurants. I've seen some argue that such decision goes against privacy, but I think it's the wrong term. 2) There are other nicer things to enable for anonymous readers that would make their editing experience more efficient. Such things include enabling some preferences and features for these contributors, which may be useful to a group of people editing from one IP: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Musings_about_unregistered_contributors#Examples Gryllida. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Craziness in diff algorithm
Hi All, Please excuse me for sending an HTML attachment to this list. There is a need to display some part of it with color. [1]Bug 13462 - Enhance line matching in diffs; An [2]example diff similar to what I specifically have a problem with on one of Wikimedia projects for several months: contributors often add and remove line breaks making paragraph edits hard to analyse. Effectively I got this (in a table, but tables are hard to read in emails): 1) - 2) - foobar lin3 1) + foobar line 2) But I would find this more useful: 1) - 2) - foobar lin3 1) 2) + foobar line Please participate by providing insight on potential fixes or workarounds (don't expect me to be able to read the backend codebase of this software). Thanks. Gryllida. References 1. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13462 2. https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=199552oldid=199551 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Craziness in diff algorithm
Hi All, To clarify: This software silently converted the message to plain text, so what I meant is clarified below. On Fri, 16 May 2014, at 21:22, Gryllida wrote: Hi All, Please excuse me for sending an HTML attachment to this list. There is a need to display some part of it with color. [1]Bug 13462 - Enhance line matching in diffs; An [2]example diff similar to what I specifically have a problem with on one of Wikimedia projects for several months: contributors often add and remove line breaks making paragraph edits hard to analyse. Effectively I got this (in a table, but tables are hard to read in emails): 1) - (this line is red) 2) - foobar lin3 (this line is red) 1) + foobar line (this line is green) 2) But I would find this more useful: 1) - (this line is red) 2) - foobar lin3 (in this line, the '3' is highlighted in red) 1) 2) + foobar line (in this line, the 'e' is highlighted in green) Please participate by providing insight on potential fixes or workarounds (don't expect me to be able to read the backend codebase of this software). Thanks. Gryllida. References 1. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13462 2. https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=199552oldid=199551 Gryllida. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Affiliation in username
On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 6:22, Jared Zimmerman wrote: Affiliations change, and user names are quite difficult to change, this sounds like something that would be good for a structured profile, not for a user name. One of the times I wish I could rename a thread. Someone with spare time may want to take notes of everything said here onto Meta for further discussion. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Dmitry Brant as Software Developer to the Mobile App Team
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014, at 3:01, Tomasz Finc wrote: I am pleased to announce that Dmitry Brant joins WMF this week as a Software Engineer for the Mobile App Team! Добро пожаловать, Дмитрий! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Subscribe to Tech News via a web feed
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014, at 0:17, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote: [...] At this point, the feed only provides the English version of the bulletin, so you'll need to click one of the links on top of the page to read a version in a different language — if you think that a per-language feed is a good idea, please let us know! Please. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Affiliation in username
On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces? - DGarry (WMF) - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc) - David (MIT) - ... So the signup form would look like this: - | | | [ Username preview in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | ___| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | ___| | | - I.e. - | | | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | _Gryllida__| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | _FOO___| | | - Gryllida. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC proposal for A system for reviewing funding requests
Thanks! Gryllida. On Mon, 31 Mar 2014, at 8:12, Sastry aditya wrote: Hi Gryllida, I am extremely sorry I took so long to reply to your mail, I was down with typhoid and I am slowly recovering. I made corrections as you suggested. Thanks a lot for sparing your time. As instructed by you I included my full opensource contribution history and just for the record I am stating it here as well. I have four bug patches merged from last year. bug 45580https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45580 , bug 43504 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43504, bug 33438 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33438 bug 48197 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48197 This year due to my ill health I could only get two in. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/117854 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/121975 The last patch is relavant to my gsoc project as it deals with forms which is kind of a part of the project that I applied to. I would see to that these two get merged as well and if possible I will send one more over the next weekend. The only other open source project that I have contributed to is PHPMYADMIN which has very high standards for patch acceptance and stringent code reviews. I have four patches merged in there as well. Of these one of those is 280 line patch that I talked about in my proposal as well. The details of the rest of the patches could be found here: https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/commits?author=ganeshaditya1 Regards, Aditya ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014: Project Proposal for A system for reviewing funding request
Hi Maduranga, I had shown you that your first mock picture may be changed a bit, and linked you to a couple relevant pages which describe the system you'd be developing in more detail. Now I also noticed that in the past experience section, I would suggest that you provide links to your code contributions. The reviewers will want to see what you coded without manually looking you up on the web. As a part of what you'd expect, if approved, would be thorough feedback from your mentors and Grant Review Committees multiple times throughout your work. I hope you are sufficiently flexible to take the feedback into account. It's a challenging task there. The mentors would also provide you with code-base from a previous project which did similar tasks. Gryllida. On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, at 4:35, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida, Again thank you for the reply and sorry for being late to reply back (last few days I was busy with a conference in my internship place). I have one more question. What is meant by https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - roles and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) In your first reply(specially this is for any ideas, not just grants). And please inform if there is any improvement needed to the proposal. Regards, Maduranga On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: Great! On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 3:02, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida Thank you for the reply. Sorry for misunderstanding. As it is mentioned that the Admin person who is creating the new grant campaign can create the review criteria, the area shown as a text box can be of different sorts. It is just a representation of the scoring criteria. Actually I did not have much understanding about what would be the scoring criteria. Your explanation really helped me to understand the use case. Regards, Maduranga On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: It is a few questions with a score (an integer) on each. Possibly also one textbox. I.e. budget ok? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X scope / multi project impact? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact substantial? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact to continue after grant ends? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X ok to fund? 0 1 X comments (posted to grant applications talk pages after reviewing ends, but anonymous) | | (a text box) | I have forwarded your initial message to one of the mentors, so I think they'd hand you some small test tasks to check your skills and add you in to the GSOC project. (I have found 3-4 students interested and forwarded them all so I hope you'll all make it to completion!) Gryllida. On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, at 22:35, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida, Previously I checked the page [1]. But I couldn't find much details about how the scoring is done. So can you please elaborate how the scoring is done so that I can design how the scoring form should look like? [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox Regards, Maduranga. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: The score really should be something different from a textbox imo. See more detail I could locate about this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system-rolesand expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked from the idealab thing) On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, at 7:10, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: Hi all, I'm Maduranga Siriwardena, 3rd year Computer Science and Engineering undergraduate of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I have applied for the project *A system for reviewing funding request* and the project proposal I submitted to google-melange can be found in [1]. I have created a wiki page containing my project proposal and you can find it from [2]. And also my user page can be found from [3]. [1] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/madurangasiriwardena/5629499534213120 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC proposal for A system for reviewing funding requests
Hi! [Again the usual detail I share on this... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just grants from wmf) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)] I have made style changes to your gallery on the wiki page. Please also note that you may want to be as thorough as possible in your details about past experience. I.e. linking to a nice phpmyadmin bugfix is good, but it may also be a good idea to link to a complete list and perhaps describe the time span over which you were helping that project. I gather there is some merit in conveying all of your relevant past experience in the application. Good luck! Gryllida. On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, at 11:17, Sastry aditya wrote: Hi all, My name is AV Aditya Sastry. I am a student at GITAM University, vizag, AP, India. I have four bug patches merged in mediawiki and one waiting review ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/117854) Please review my proposal for this project. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ganeshaditya1/GSOCproposal Regards, Aditya ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC Proposal System for reviewing funding requests
Hi! [Again the usual detail I share on this... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just grants from wmf) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)] You may want to be more detailed about your past experience. If you have none, you might want to try one of the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs as an exercise, and include in your application. Gryllida. On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, at 5:16, Prashant G wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm Prashant Gurumukhi, Nagpur India. I have made my proposal for the project A system for reviewing funding request. I would like you to review it and please tell If I missed anything. Here's a link to my proposal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:ImPacific/GSoC_proposal_2014 User Page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:ImPacific ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] What are you looking for in CodeEditor ?
Ability to edit sections. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60438 On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, at 9:03, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: I've been doing some work on the Lua/CSS/JS CodeEditor to make it and its toolbar a bit more usable, but I'm looking for some input on what YOU want. I've listed some ideas here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59924 A list of key commands is here: https://github.com/ajaxorg/ace/wiki/Default-Keyboard-Shortcuts And ACE itself has a demo site that shows a few of the options as well: http://ace.c9.io/build/kitchen-sink.html I've now got a button to show invisible characters, and a button to show the find and replace dialog. Of course most options are available already trough key commands but many people are not familiar with those. If anyone has any specific desires/ideas/feedback etc, I'd love to hear it. Also, if someone can help with making icons for those toolbar buttons, that would also be appreciated. DJ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Email had 1 attachment: + signature.asc 1k (application/pgp-signature) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for GSoC 2014 - Implementing a To-do list
Hi Hareesh, Bookmarking pages, partly with the purpose of leaving notes to self about to-dos, is a long wanted feature. Thank you for considering working on something closely related. To ease your work: Consider adapting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection for users to use a Special:MyUser/My Bookmarks Collection where they can bookmark pages and put them into sections, such as to translate, to expand, with comments for each. Feedback on text: I don't see what there is about opting in. A to-do should be available, just empty in some cases, if people don't like it. A setting could be an over-complication. Gryllida. On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, at 5:20, Hareesh wrote: Hi, I've submitted a proposal to implement a to-do list in the wiki projects. [1]. The project aims at: * Providing a To-do list to the users who opt in. * Facilitating the ease of maintaining records of the tasks to be done by an user. Help me in improving this proposal. Please leave your feedback. [1]:*https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Hareesh_Sivasubramanian/GSoC_2014_Implementing_To-do_list https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Hareesh_Sivasubramanian/GSoC_2014_Implementing_To-do_list* Regards, Hareesh. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014: Project Proposal for A system for reviewing funding request
Great! On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 3:02, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida Thank you for the reply. Sorry for misunderstanding. As it is mentioned that the Admin person who is creating the new grant campaign can create the review criteria, the area shown as a text box can be of different sorts. It is just a representation of the scoring criteria. Actually I did not have much understanding about what would be the scoring criteria. Your explanation really helped me to understand the use case. Regards, Maduranga On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: It is a few questions with a score (an integer) on each. Possibly also one textbox. I.e. budget ok? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X scope / multi project impact? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact substantial? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact to continue after grant ends? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X ok to fund? 0 1 X comments (posted to grant applications talk pages after reviewing ends, but anonymous) | | (a text box) | I have forwarded your initial message to one of the mentors, so I think they'd hand you some small test tasks to check your skills and add you in to the GSOC project. (I have found 3-4 students interested and forwarded them all so I hope you'll all make it to completion!) Gryllida. On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, at 22:35, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida, Previously I checked the page [1]. But I couldn't find much details about how the scoring is done. So can you please elaborate how the scoring is done so that I can design how the scoring form should look like? [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox Regards, Maduranga. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: The score really should be something different from a textbox imo. See more detail I could locate about this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system-roles and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked from the idealab thing) On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, at 7:10, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: Hi all, I'm Maduranga Siriwardena, 3rd year Computer Science and Engineering undergraduate of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I have applied for the project *A system for reviewing funding request* and the project proposal I submitted to google-melange can be found in [1]. I have created a wiki page containing my project proposal and you can find it from [2]. And also my user page can be found from [3]. [1] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/madurangasiriwardena/5629499534213120 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2014: project proposal for a system for reviewing funding request.
Hi Rahul, [Again the usual detail I share on this... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just grants from wmf) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there)] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests Great proposal! I see some relevant bug fixing background and spec. (I'm not mentoring the thing, but I'm one of the people who is interested in using it.) Regarding your time plan: Please include means for implementing feedback from the Grant Committees on *each* *step* as it could improve your output. Your mentors would give such feedback to you. Regards Gryllida. On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, at 20:07, Rahul Mishra wrote: On 03/20/2014 01:36 PM, Rahul Mishra wrote: Hi, Please ignore my earlier mail, i have done some editing in my draft and mailing it again. I am Rahul Mishra,final year undergraduate and pursuing my B-Tech form Netaji Subhash Engineering College having majors Computer Sciences Engineering. I am very much interested in the project of A system for reviewing funding requests and proposed a draft titled A system for reviewing funding requests. Please review my draft and please give your valuable advise/suggestions, so that i can further improve my proposal and make it better. Link to my Userpage. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rahulmishra22 Link to the project. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests Link to the Proposal. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests Thank you, Rahul Mishra. Dept. of CSE, NSEC. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Just an edit in above Link to the proposal : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/A_System_for_reviewing_Funding_Requests ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSOC] A system for reviewing funding requests Details of project
Dear Kushal, While I understand initial frustration as you worry of your application outcome, I suspect that (i) the prior experience with relevant technologies and bug fixes and (ii) ability to write a clear Synopsis is all that matters. The Synopsis is reasonably clear, to me :-). I am not mentoring this, as I am not familiar with any of the technologies involved, so I can't fully comment on (i); however, I could perhaps notice that in your resume, the 'Projects' section lacks detail on the languages involved, so it's a bit hard to spot supporting ground for the languages you list somewhere closer to the top. Again thanks, Gryllida. On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, at 14:21, Kushal Khandelwal wrote: Thank you Gryllida. If you can have a look at the application and give me some feedback and your inputs. Thank you for your help. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: It's not just IEG Grants -- PEG Grants also I think. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants Good luck with your application! On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, at 8:51, Kushal Khandelwal wrote: Hi Community I am Kushal Khandelwal from India. Currently pursuing my undergraduate degree from BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus. I am applying for the GSOC Project :A system for reviewing funding requests Details of project : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system I have an initial drafr proposal ready at : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kushal124/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests_GSOC I kindly request the community to provide me feedback on my project. My user page : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kushal124 I also worked on initial microtask by providing a fix for Bug/62464https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62464 Thank you Bryan Davis(bd808) and mutante for helping me out with my first bug fix to mediwaiki community. Thanks and Regards -- Kushal Khandelwal Birla Institute of Technology Science, Pilani K K Birla Goa Campus ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kushal Khandelwal Birla Institute of Technology Science, Pilani K K Birla Goa Campus Tel: +91 9673818465 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSOC] A system for reviewing funding requests Details of project
It's not just IEG Grants -- PEG Grants also I think. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants Good luck with your application! On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, at 8:51, Kushal Khandelwal wrote: Hi Community I am Kushal Khandelwal from India. Currently pursuing my undergraduate degree from BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus. I am applying for the GSOC Project :A system for reviewing funding requests Details of project : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system I have an initial drafr proposal ready at : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kushal124/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests_GSOC I kindly request the community to provide me feedback on my project. My user page : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kushal124 I also worked on initial microtask by providing a fix for Bug/62464https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62464 Thank you Bryan Davis(bd808) and mutante for helping me out with my first bug fix to mediwaiki community. Thanks and Regards -- Kushal Khandelwal Birla Institute of Technology Science, Pilani K K Birla Goa Campus ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating skins from core MediaWiki (GSoC proposal)
Thought the deadline is March 21. I also hope you find a second student to help with this, looks like a lot of great work. On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, at 7:34, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I realize this has been discussed on this list rather recently (starting with Jon's CologneBlue question), and I realize some exploratory work has started (or at least was considered), but I'm submitting this anyway. I came up with the general idea first (really!), just haven't had time to write it down before. Several people asked me to reply regarding the CologneBlue thread – consider this my response. :) Comments (here or on the talk page) would be very welcome. I haven't gotten anyone to formally commit to mentoring this project yet, hopefully that can be sorted out on time. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Matma_Rex/Separating_skins_from_core_MediaWiki Project synopsis: MediaWiki core includes four skins, and allows site administrators to create and install additional ones. However, the process is less than pleasant, due to several related problems (lack of documentation, more than one correct way to make a skin work, directory layout that makes packaging and (un)installation difficult, core skins and MediaWiki itself being interdependent, and possibly others). I intend to solve at least two of the aforementioned issues by devising and documenting a saner directory layout for skins (and applying it to the four core ones) and then carefully disentangling them from MediaWiki code, removing cross-dependencies and making it possible for non-core skins to have the same level of control over all aspects of the lookfeel as core ones currently have. This would make the lives of both skin creators and site administrators wishing to use a non-default skin a lot easier. If everything goes well, the process would be culminated with moving the core skins out of core, to separate git repositories. This would require coordination with MediaWiki release managers (to have them shipped in the release tarballs the way certain extensions are shipped now) and Wikimedia Foundation Operations team members (to ensure the deployment of the new system on Wikimedia wikis goes smoothly), so it cannot be made a part of my core proposal. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A modern, scalable and attractive skin for MediaWiki (GSoC 2014 proposal)
Add mobile friendliness ('responsive CSS') to the list of requirements/goals?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, at 14:46, Pavel Astakhov wrote:
Hi, the link [4] was broken:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jack_Phoenix/A_modern,_scalable_and_attractive_skin_for_MediaWiki_(GSoC_2014_proposal)
18.03.2014 06:34, Jack Phoenix пишет:
Hi all,
I'm Jack Phoenix [1], a MediaWiki developer whose primary interests are
social tools [2] and skinning [3]. Skinning, especially when related to
core MediaWiki, is a rather esoteric area where we don't have much
developer capacity, the skinning system is obscure and not well-documented
and as a direct result of this, MediaWiki has considerably fewer
third-party skins than, for example, phpBB or WordPress.
Although most of us can agree on the fact that the skin system needs an
overhaul, that's quite a huge project which cannot be undertaken lightly
nor without prior discussion and planning. Instead, I'm proposing a few
steps in the right direction in my Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2014
proposal A modern, scalable and attractive skin for MediaWiki [4].
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jack_Phoenix
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Social_tools
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning
[4]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jack_Phoenix/A_modern,_scalable_and_attractive_skin_for_MediaWiki_(GSoC_2014_proposal
)
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts,
--
Jack Phoenix
MediaWiki developer
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014: Project Proposal for A system for reviewing funding request
The score really should be something different from a textbox imo. See more detail I could locate about this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - roles and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked from the idealab thing) On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, at 7:10, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: Hi all, I'm Maduranga Siriwardena, 3rd year Computer Science and Engineering undergraduate of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I have applied for the project *A system for reviewing funding request* and the project proposal I submitted to google-melange can be found in [1]. I have created a wiki page containing my project proposal and you can find it from [2]. And also my user page can be found from [3]. [1] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/madurangasiriwardena/5629499534213120 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014 proposal for project A system for reviewing funding requests
Again the usual detail I share on this... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - a formal idea page for it to evolve (idealab is for all ideas, gsoc too, not just grants from wmf) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - a spec (linked there) On Sat, 15 Mar 2014, at 22:34, Karan Dev wrote: hi, I made my proposal on project project A system for reviewing funding requests which I am willing to contribute. Here is my proposal link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reviewing_funding_requests Link to my user page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Karan10 Please review my proposal so that I can make it better. Thanks, (Karan Dev) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A system for reviewing funding requests
Please see more detail I could locate about this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system - roles and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked from the idealab thing) On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 21:05, Ioannou Orestis wrote: Hello, My name is Orestis Ioannou and I am a first year graduate student in the Master's program of the University Claude Bernard Lyon1 in Lyon, France. I have a fair knowledge of PHP and MySQL acquired from various projects in the university as well as some web development jobs I had. My latest projects are a multilingual website for a company in Cyprus www.anosis.com.cy and a personal website for a statistician www.atoumazi.com . Right now i am finishing another website for a company in Cyprus. Development can be reviewed here: www.ancora-services.com . You can find more about myself on my personal website: www.oioannou.com I am interested in the project A system for reviewing funding requests. I am looking for more details so i can start my proposal. Does the project include nay font-end development? How are the reviewers going to score each application? Best regards, Orestis ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014: Project Proposal for A system for reviewing funding request
It is a few questions with a score (an integer) on each. Possibly also one textbox. I.e. budget ok? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X scope / multi project impact? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact substantial? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X impact to continue after grant ends? 1 2 3 4 5 6 X ok to fund? 0 1 X comments (posted to grant applications talk pages after reviewing ends, but anonymous) | | (a text box) | I have forwarded your initial message to one of the mentors, so I think they'd hand you some small test tasks to check your skills and add you in to the GSOC project. (I have found 3-4 students interested and forwarded them all so I hope you'll all make it to completion!) Gryllida. On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, at 22:35, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: @Gryllida, Previously I checked the page [1]. But I couldn't find much details about how the scoring is done. So can you please elaborate how the scoring is done so that I can design how the scoring form should look like? [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox Regards, Maduranga. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: The score really should be something different from a textbox imo. See more detail I could locate about this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Application_scoring_system- roles and expectations @ IdeaLab (this is for any ideas, not just grants, ie GSoC things can also go there) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/sandbox - spec (linked from the idealab thing) On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, at 7:10, Maduranga Siriwardena wrote: Hi all, I'm Maduranga Siriwardena, 3rd year Computer Science and Engineering undergraduate of University of Moratuwa Sri Lanka. I have applied for the project *A system for reviewing funding request* and the project proposal I submitted to google-melange can be found in [1]. I have created a wiki page containing my project proposal and you can find it from [2]. And also my user page can be found from [3]. [1] https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/madurangasiriwardena/5629499534213120 [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga/A_system_for_reviewing_funding_requests [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Maduranga -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Maduranga Siriwardena Undergraduate University of Moratuwa, Faculty of Engineering Department of Computer Science and Engineering ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)
I oppose such idea or implementation, automating ranking of content sounds like a way to get people focus on the rank/score aggressively instead of human work on content. They already focus on 'number of GA reviews' and 'number of FAs I contributed to', relying on style and content guides for these more than on the concept of freedom of knowledge. I had created https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Karma recently in an attempt to start gathering examples of such blindly misleading work. If implemented, I dare to ask that the thing is opt-in... On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 10:25, Quim Gil wrote: Hi Devender, I'm not a developer but I hope my feedback as editor is useful. On 03/06/2014 12:02 AM, Devender wrote: I want to implement a ranking system of the editors(especially 3rd party editors) of the Wikipedia through which viewers can differentiate between the content of the page. What do you mean with 3rd party editors? This ranking system will increase the content reliability Content reliability is indeed an interesting value for wiki content, especially in projects like Wikipedia. However, basing the reliability of the content on the quantity of edits done by an editor is risky --to say the least. Reliability is based on quantity, not quality. If you would find a way to assess the quality of the editions of an editor (and therefor the reliability of an editor)... Then maybe you could provide a hint about the reliability of an article based on the reliability of the editors that edited it. Even in that case it might be complex to figure out when the reliable editors are acting to add more quality to an already good article, or to fix the worst issues of a horrible article. When they add and when they revert... And of course it may also happen that editors not identified as reliable produce great content, as it often the case with editors very specialized in certain topic, with a short history of excellent edits. 2. Make the different color of the line/paragraph if the content of the line/paragraph is very new and its reliability score is less. Even if there is some probability that older paragraphs that have survived many edits intact are somewhat reliable, it is too easy to find examples disproving this point. This is true especially in the articles needing more a quality assessment, those that are not edited often and are not watched by many experienced editors. Please let me if I should go with this idea. If not, guide me how to start working on different idea. This is just my personal opinion and I'm not an expert. Maybe someone else will ave a different, more positive opinion about your project, or advice to re-focus it. In general, students proposing new projects have more chances of success if they start pitching and testing their ideas months before the GSoC. Add a factor of x5 at least if your main target is a Wikimedia project. If you don't get mentors for your project very soon, then the safest option is to choose a project at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2014 and go for it. Thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikimedia. Also thank you for following my suggestion to post at wikitech-l. I hope you wll get more feedback from other people in this list. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Email had 1 attachment: + signature.asc 1k (application/pgp-signature) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014 project A system for reviewing funding requests.
Hi! I think you may want to contact the mentors directly (there is several listed) and ask them for a more detailed spec on the project. Siko runs the IEG program [1] and I have forwarded your message to the Committee as well to see anyone who wants to volunteer and help you during your work (as I'm assuming that the development will happen out in the open). [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG Gryllida On Thu, 6 Mar 2014, at 5:19, Karan Dev wrote: hi, I am B.Tech. (CS) 3rd year student from India. I have 4 years of programming experience. I am comfortable with c/c++ , Php, Javascript, HTML, MySql.I have developed some small web based projects in PHP and using MySQL in my 2nd year. As someone already is working on my previous selected project (Catalogue for MediaWiki extensions). After going through the ideas list again I found interest in project A system for reviewing funding requests as I am comfortable with the required skills. I am new, I need some guidance from the mentors for the procedure. And Let me know if I missed something. (Karan Dev) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content.
It would seem to me that the Collection extension, which provides 'books' for various sister projects, could be adapted for favorites: 'Book:Username' where a user can stick favorite articles and group by sections. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Thoughts? - Original message - From: bugzilla-dae...@wikimedia.org To: gryll...@fastmail.fm Subject: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:43:14 + https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7148 --- Comment #32 from Subfader --- I hacked me around this by using favorites and filtering new pages by faved categories. Favorites is another thing MW misses... -- You are receiving this mail because: You voted for the bug. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Favorites for MW
OK, this was actually meant to have a more descriptive message subject. Ignore the previous message... - Original message - From: Gryllida To: wikitech-l Subject: Fwd: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:27:11 +1100 It would seem to me that the Collection extension, which provides 'books' for various sister projects, could be adapted for favorites: 'Book:Username' where a user can stick favorite articles and group by sections. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Thoughts? - Original message - From: bugzilla-dae...@wikimedia.org To: gryll...@fastmail.fm Subject: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:43:14 + https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7148 --- Comment #32 from Subfader --- I hacked me around this by using favorites and filtering new pages by faved categories. Favorites is another thing MW misses... -- You are receiving this mail because: You voted for the bug. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] The Whole Wikipedia in English with pictures in one 40GB big file
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, at 4:01, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: Hi For the first time, we have achieved to release a complete dump of all encyclopedic articles of the Wikipedia in English, *with thumbnails*. This ZIM file is 40 GB big and contains the current 4.5 million articles with their 3.5 millions pictures: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia_en_all.zim.torrent This ZIM file is directly and easily usable on many types of devices like Android smartphones and Win/OSX/Linux PCs with Kiwix, or Symbian with Wikionboard. You don't need modern computers with big CPUs. You can for example create a (read-only) Wikipedia mirror on a RaspberryPi for ~100USD by using our ZIM dedicated Web server called kiwix-serve. A demo is available here: http://library.kiwix.org/wikipedia_en_all/ Do this for other sister projects perhaps. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] one framework for *all* of that
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, at 17:52, Brian Wolff wrote: As it stands (i dont live in js land, correct me if I'm wrong), its widely agreed having hooks for user-scripts to hook into js-based extensions like upload wizard and other parts of mw is a good thing. Its not neccesarily agreed that having support for magic wiki-text altering templates on the mediawiki level is a good thing. As far as i am aware, nobody is currently trying to make a framework for that use case on the mediawiki level (beyond generic support for js and js abstractions for api access) --bawolff I'm not seeing decent JS framework either; where one wants to have the contributor move or create a page as a part of gadget work, he has to code a textbox-which-checks-and-probably-also-autocompletes-a-page-name manually with little means available of sharing his JS subroutine or object for other gadgets -- on multiple projects -- to reuse. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preview of the proposal for MediaWiki Homepage
Too many pictures. It does not fit my screen size anymore. I only see a part of the first image and have to scroll down for the rest; scrolling is poor design. Probably don't need to focus on Wikipedia in the as long as Wikipedia exists. It's all sister projects. Is it mobile-friendly? I made another ugly table-based design here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/Homepage_redesign/Preview2 P.S. I don't see what the page curation has to do with it. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preview of the proposal for MediaWiki Homepage
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/Homepage_redesign/Preview/3 - no tables - usage of phrase wikimedia movement instead of wikipedia On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, at 7:54, Brena Monteiro wrote: Hello everyone, I would like to invite you to take a look the preview [1] of MediaWiki Homepage. Your opinion, contribution and help are very welcome. Thank you. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/Homepage_redesign/Preview Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena http://twitter.com/monteirobrena Reflexões Brenianas http://monteirobrena.wordpress.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preview of the proposal for MediaWiki Homepage
Thanks for taking down the thoughts, Daniel; the translation and mobile friendliness got me amused too. On Wed, 26 Feb 2014, at 9:18, Daniel Friesen wrote: I'm definitely going to have to agree. The Feature bits are practically bs: - Publish: Talks about VisualEditor, HTML, and embedded media. A non-default editor practically only available on Wikipedia at the moment, completely ignores WikiText, and embedded media doesn't really even fit a description of our file upload system, much less does this describe any real publishing features that are core to MediaWiki like the history tracking of pages. - Discuss: Yeah we have talk pages for each page, but frankly that iconography feels rather deceptive to how that system really works. - Translate: ^_^ Most of this does look good, aside from our abuse of MediaWiki: pages we do have great i18n. However translation tools to crowdsource multilingual sites are not core but things like the tools that TranslateWiki uses, and are not going to be easy to find without any links. - Extend: Ok I guess the text here is fine, but for a homepage exclaiming that MediaWiki can be extended I don't see a single link to information on our extensions. - On the Go: Bullshit, Mobile Frontend is an extension not core, and not installed on most wiki, MediaWiki is not Ready for mobile devices and tablets out of the box as this deceptively suggests. - Reliable: I'm not sure about the W icon for this. But for a point on being tested and maintained as long as Wikipedia exists, what about how MW is designed to scale up to the level of traffic and reliability needed by a wiki as large as Wikipedia. But frankly I see something even worse on this page. Scanning the entire text of this homepage, aside from MediaWiki and Wikipedia, I do not see one single use of the word wiki. And worse, not a single piece of text noting that MediaWiki is open source. Forget the way it ignores the existence of the WMF outside of Wikipedia, it's like the fundamental pieces of MediaWiki, a piece of open-source wiki software, have been completely forgotten and replaced with the kind of homepage you'd see on a for-profit proprietary piece of software. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] On 2014-02-25 7:49 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: The huge image at the top, pushing all the real content below the fold, seems pretty awful to me. I also don't much care for the weird, vague feature bits at the bottom that don't even link to anything useful and distract from the links to actual useful content just below them, or the fact that in the News section useful stuff like security releases has been replaced with irrelevancies (and given such little space that it wraps the headlines after every word or two), or the lack of mention as to what the current version number is near the Get MediaWiki button. It seems to me that you probably concentrated too much on the to better promote MediaWiki as a product part and not the and as a free software project part. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Brena Monteiro monteirobr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I would like to invite you to take a look the preview [1] of MediaWiki Homepage. Your opinion, contribution and help are very welcome. Thank you. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/Homepage_redesign/Preview Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena http://twitter.com/monteirobrena Reflexões Brenianas http://monteirobrena.wordpress.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Multimedia] Poll - would you like to see more traffic related to the Multimedia team's day-to-day work on this list?
Dear all,
--
Like with all other development, I find a need in more documentation of the
plans and of the currently active things.
For example, VisualEditor has nothing to help me comprehend its code-base than
the source code itself; it had only been a jamesf's line at a meeting which
made me aware of the fact that the cologne blue and modern skins are now only
supported by community.
Now there are some really cool beta features that only work with the vector
skin. To only resource to help me is the source code. There is no UML diagram,
no docs explaining which part of code does what.
--
Another idea is an answer to WHY you are working on the media viewer. It is a
nice experience but...
...there is a lot of pages which would make use of a do-it-without-page-reload
approach, such as log-in page, edit page, history page.
...there also is a need of all sister projects in wizard tools and widgets.
Currently adding an article to Wiktionary is a royal pain and I could not
figure out how to add an idiom with translation, without pulling hair and
spending time to find another existing Wiktionary entry which is (1) a verb,
(2) an idiom, and (3) has a translation. There also are gadgets for the
so-called interactive template use-case [1] where each developer reinvents
wheel a lot and the gadgets share no code but they should.
...everything the WMF works on should have long-term impact after WMF stops
working on the darn thing. The impact should be cross project.
... With this in mind I would personally encourage heavy collaboration of all
teams to build a framework which lets people script the MediaWiki software
including media viewer screen, log-in screens, article creation screens /
wizard, an interactive thingie for working with templates [1] (taking an
{{unblock}} request for example without having to memorize the template syntax).
This may need help from VisualEditor and Parsoid people; from Flow people who
had spread the 'custom workflows' rumour; and YOUR help to understand that
moving an interactive thingie logic from an extension onto a wiki benefits
everyone, even if it makes codereview-worthy bits harder to spot (recall some
people saying that none of UploadWizard's logic can sit on-wiki because of that
[2])
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/Templates/Interactive
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/UploadWizard:_scale_to_sister_projects
Gryllida.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 20:25, Gergo Tisza wrote:
Hi all,
the Multimedia team had some discussions recently about how to make our
work more transparent and more open to volunteers, and we decided to try
using an open subscription mailing list for team discussions, instead of
the current practice of cc-ing each member manually. These discussions are
about day-to-day details of our work; sometimes feature requirements or
design, sometimes technical details. The volume is typically one or two new
threads per day.
We weren't sure how much members of this list would be interested in such
conversations and didn't want to flood this list with mails that are not
useful for most members, but we also do not want to split conversation
channels unnecessarily. Please help us by telling whether you would be
interested in the topics mentioned above, or would prefer if we created a
new mailing list for them.
Thanks!
Gergő
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[Wikitech-l] one framework for *all* of that
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, at 5:29, Mark Holmquist wrote:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 01:35:33AM +1100, Gryllida wrote:
... With this in mind I would personally encourage heavy collaboration of
all teams to build a framework which lets people script the MediaWiki
software including media viewer screen, log-in screens, article creation
screens / wizard, an interactive thingie for working with templates [1]
(taking an {{unblock}} request for example without having to memorize the
template syntax).
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/Templates/Interactive
Just one massive framework for *all* of that? Actually, it already
exists [7]. What we should be asking for is more use of it by core and
extensions, but we're already working on that, too [8].
[7] https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.hook
[8] https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/168
Do you find that enough for contributors to develop interactive bits of
software which are easy to maintain and share code with each-other? I don't.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] .wiki gTLD
That is a tough one, since most project names /start/ with wiki. pedia.wiki just sounds awkward, as do many others. On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, at 5:56, Derric Atzrott wrote: ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday. It's being managed by Top Level Design, LLC. I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration. Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration. .sexy and .tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February. It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them sometime in May or June during the sunrise period.[1] ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2] Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology [1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI [2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Meetings vs mailing list (Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Jon Robson wrote: Brad since you work for the for the foundation and seem to have a lot of expertise in this area and seem to have been one of the more vocal supporters of free fonts have you reached out to your work colleagues over video conferencing or similar to understand the problems being hit and helped them work through them? Email doesn't seem to have been an effective method of communication in this situation as you have pointed out. Maybe you can help with documenting these issues and helping people like yourself understand the problems and why this change was reverted? It always is a good idea to read IRC and pick up ideas there — especially if a channel isn't logged! If an idea is fruitful, you just get it actioned off-irc (as a bug report, or as an addition to documentation). For decision-making IRC is just more interactive and more ideas get conveyed and analyzed with less effort. E-mail and formal meetings are in my view harder due to difficulty in conveying ideas or simply participating where I come up with a small idea and want to simply know what others think of it without putting effort into writing a verbose email. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication
Derric Atzrott writes: Have any of you ever heard of Non-Violent Communication (NVC). NVC is amazing and I very much encourage anyone to take it up. It goes way beyond a method of thinking, it is a spiritual path. Like other spiritual paths that means it may work if you practise it yourself. This is a pretty violent name for such a relaxed concept. Related essays: - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Excessive_growth - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Catalytic ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Meetings vs mailing list (Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)
From: Antoine Musso Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:28:33 +0100 Le 19/02/2014 09:34, Gryllida a écrit : For decision-making IRC is just more interactive and more ideas get conveyed and analyzed with less effort. [...] The meetings are nice when you want to start the process or to close it. They also get you to the point faster than day long mailing lists debates. Not sure what you mean. There usually is no need to debate; you can just come to irc and reach understanding /easier/. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] How to Contribute Page - More Specific and User Friendly
Good goals but I think you're doing several things wrong here.
1) Attempts to pose this as an external tool. Not many people who visit the
wiki will ever learn about the external website. You're effectively opening a
new contributors influx channel while not making the life of people who reached
Wikimedia project as readers much easier; they still lack orientation as to
what they can do for a project.
2) Excessive focus on the getting in part of the contributor life-cycle.
There really is too much routine in editing articles today and it hinders
current work by making things too complicated, slow, unintuitive. I tend to
encourage focus on the I am editing, but it is inefficient part of the work.
It is very very very under-developed.
As such I would encourage that you look at the wiki layout and editing tools
closer and come up with something, like a user dashboard perhaps, with 3
sections ('my tools - prefs, watchlist', 'my pages - user page, talk page,
contribs', 'getting started - whatever you fancy here').
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy
I like how we got these things done early in the process: - termed the proposal as 'improve password policy', in the subject, implying that the solution is good - instead of asking how to do it - put a single proposal, raising the requirement, instead of putting a few proposed changes and asking which one people would like to pick My feeling is that there should be some guidelines, encouraging to shape questions and ask how to do things rather than propose a single change. It's what happens anyway, and putting it right the first time could be less confusing and encourage feedback by claiming an open question with suggested alternative solutions. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] RFC: UploadWizard — scale to sister projects
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[Wikitech-l] RFC: UploadWizard — scale to sister projects
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014, at 0:02, rupert THURNER wrote: for the password policy: display a strength indicator is great. anything more? i would say just leave it to the user. rupert. THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly. :-) Everyone who has a thought should write it on-wiki for these people to hear you without manually scanning a mailing list. Thanks. gry ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dynamic search results as category pages
http://migadv.com/ comes to mind (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/MediaWiki_data_browser) but sadly it's barely interactive... gry ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC process - open questions
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, at 4:52, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: On the RFC Process talk page, I'm presenting some questions about our RFC process and suggesting *my* answers: Where can I find previous RFCs? It's a thing I haven't heard of before. How are contributors expected to find it? Gryllida ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, at 3:32, Zack Weinberg wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 13 Jan 2014, at 15:29, Gregory Maxwell wrote: What freenode does is not functionally useful for Tor users. In my first hand experience it manages to enable abusive activity while simultaneously eliminating Tor's usefulness at protecting its users. The register at real IP, then only use TOR through an account flow implies trust in some entity (such as freenode irc network opers or Wikipedia CheckUsers). I currently believe that requiring such trust doesn't eliminate TOR's usefullness at protecting its users. I rather think it does. Assume a person under continual surveillance. If they have to reveal their true IP address to Wikipedia in order to register their editor account, the adversary will learn it as well, and can then attribute all subsequent edits by that handle to that person *whether or not* those edits are routed over an anonymity network. Doesn't it get solved if, despite the surveillance, the trust entity (freenode opers or wikipedia checkusers) reveals the user's IP only under a court order? To satisfy Applebaum's request, there needs to be a mechanism whereby someone can edit even if *all of their communications with Wikipedia, including the initial contact* are coming over Tor or equivalent. Rubbish. This makes a vandal inherently untrackable and unblockable. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014, at 15:29, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Jasper Deng jas...@jasperswebsite.com wrote: This question is analogous to the question of open proxies. The answer has universally been that the costs (abuse) are just too high. No, it's not analogous to just permitting open proxies as no one in this thread is suggesting just flipping it on. I proposed issuing blind exemption tokens up-thread as an example mechanism which would preserve the rate limiting of abusive use without removing privacy. However, we might consider doing what the freenode IRC network does. Freenode requires SASL authentication to connect on Tor, which basically means only users with registered accounts can use it. The main reason for hardblocking and not allowing registered accounts on-wiki via Tor is that CheckUsers need useful IP data. But it might be feasible if we just force all account creation to happen on real IPs, although that still hides some data from CheckUsers. What freenode does is not functionally useful for Tor users. In my first hand experience it manages to enable abusive activity while simultaneously eliminating Tor's usefulness at protecting its users. The only value it provides is providing a pretext of tor support without actually doing something good... and we already have the you can get an IPblock-exempt (except you can't really, and if you do it'll get randomly revoked. if all we want is a pretext. :) The register at real IP, then only use TOR through an account flow implies trust in some entity (such as freenode irc network opers or Wikipedia CheckUsers). I currently believe that requiring such trust doesn't eliminate TOR's usefullness at protecting its users. Gryllida ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming David Chan to Wikimedia Language Engineering team
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Re: [Wikitech-l] what should i publish a gadget extension?
Wiked lives in [[extension:wiked]] on meta; hotcat lives in [[mediawiki:gadget-hotcat.js]] on commons. Ok. There is no standard place really; use github or your preferred host, and if mediawiku devs or wikimedia users are interested, they will use it and send patches or feedback. gry On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, at 20:42, Sen wrote: i make a gadget called hotkeyedit,which i add some hotkey in the wikitextbox,like control+1-6 make the title,ctrl+s switch the lish..ctrl+[ add a category,i think if i public it maybe some one others will like it,but i know how to publish extension,but how is gadget. Regrades Sen From SLboat(http://see.sl088.com) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki RFC reporter bot
You have not provided enough detail. What wikis should such tool target, and what are relevant links to categories. On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, at 14:09, MZMcBride wrote: Hi. I filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58250 if you or someone you know feels like writing a small script that can report new and status changes to MediaWiki requests for comments on a weekly basis to this mailing list. I think such a script would directly improve participation in RFCs. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, at 20:51, Petr Bena wrote: Hi, would anyone experienced (like hashar) be interested in setup of jekins on wikimedia labs so that we can get a unit test environment available to all devs for any projects, written in languages like: * C * C++ * Python * PHP + other frequently used languages And Perl. Gryllida I think it would be useful for some (at least me) people :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, at 7:51, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: * use simple action urls https://en.wikipedia.org/Foo?action=history instead of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fooaction=history This already works. I would be concerned about proper work of this feature in wikilinks. [[Main Page?action=history|Foo]] makes a red broken link. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013, at 10:17, Arcane 21 wrote: I like this idea. Not every Tor user is vandal or troll, and assuming that all of them are by default is not assuming good faith. To avoid endless abuse some services ask people to register from a non-TOR IP, and allow them to connect from TOR after registering. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FirefoxOS - free dev phones for porting HTML5 apps
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013, at 11:13, Rodrigo Padula wrote: Hello Guys, and for Firefox users, you can try FirefoxOS through the simulator extension. https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-br/firefox/addon/firefox-os-simulator/ ;-) Remember that your app may need to be multilingual. The simulator only gives English interface and you need around 60GB of disk space to compile another language version. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] question regarding crawling wikipedia for information
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, at 12:42, Wenqin Ye wrote: If we are creating an ai app that needs to get information , would we be allowed to crawl wikipedia for this information? The app would probably be a search query of some kind, that give information back to the user, one of the sites used is wikipedia. What web search engines do is use - meta tags (keywords, short description) and - full page content (plain text) for full-text search. This is relatively painless. Your query looks like you are chasing additional information, which the API provides but the items I mentioned don't include directly. What such additional information are you looking for? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails
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