[WISPA] Virtual AP
Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 virtual AP's on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, John Scrivner wrote: associate and use the AP. One nice feature is the ability to set different AP features for each SSID. For instance you can have different WEP or other security settings for each virtual AP. Nice feature. Yes, this is a nice feature. MT also allows you to have unique WEP keys per sub, whether you use virtual APs or not. -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott ReedSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, We don't do that. Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name in the air - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 virtual AP's on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] dual band
I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dual band
highest gain i've seen on dual-band is the superpass ones. http://www.superpass.com/DUAL-GJ.html --- Aubrey Wells AirInfinite [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 robert maier wrote: I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong, we order those from Maxrad */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] verizon fios pricing
Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] dual band
They're not really dual they're either/or. One panel to do BOTH would be awesome, but for now nothing of the sort exists, save for the dual-pol dishes for use with orthogon, etc... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aubrey Wells Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dual band highest gain i've seen on dual-band is the superpass ones. http://www.superpass.com/DUAL-GJ.html --- Aubrey Wells AirInfinite [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 robert maier wrote: I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong, we order those from Maxrad */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand.yahoo.c om/cybergivingweek2005/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts! -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics. Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi. If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity towards. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a good thing to do. Scriv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, We don't do that. Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name in the air - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company
RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] dual band
Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the best solution :-) How often do the feedhorns die? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dual band [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower Dan That's a smart move. And you can buy a spare feedhorn from PacWireless in case one dies on ya. We do this on all our WISP main backhauls. They are Gabriel of Radiowaves instead. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I don't know...I think its kind of a cute idea! :-) OK...But as a board member I cannot condone such business tactics. Play fair now. As you were.. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics. Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi. If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity towards. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a good thing to do. Scriv -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv ) Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston, ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc Dan Unfortunately you're in Boston but..Maybe its time to change your business plan. Maybe you should be selling to business only, providing large bandwidth to end users that will pay the price. We don't have a customer here in NY that pays less than $99 month and I have Cablevision, Lightpath, Open Access, Keyspan, Verizon, etc, etc and we still have plenty of customers to keep us busy. Why?? Becasue we have installation in 3 days or less and we respond to service requests usually within the hour. NO ONE does that. I repeat...NO ONE. Could I sell $29.99 residential service tomorrow??? No freakin' way. I would beat my head against the wall. But I don't like head trauma so I don't do that. May I need to change things in the future??? Sure...But for right now I am all set.. Good Luck. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Right. Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, we're going to need something else to compete... I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average... But to no customers can I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a PtMP setup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database:
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete on price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period. We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling an up to 3meg connection for $29.95. I currently sell a 512k connection for $40 per month (guaranteed 512k 24x7), and we are doing 80-100 installs per month. Most people are going up to the 1meg for $50 per month even. But we offer local support, 10 email accounts, real static IP, a real office they can visit, and we ALWAYS answer the phone with a live person. :) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Right. Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, we're going to need something else to compete... I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average... But to no customers can I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a PtMP setup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband One more thing to add.Give some value to signing a contract. In other words...make the install price $249 instead of $599 if you sign a 2 year contract. Most judges like to see that the defendants (as I call them) have received some sort of compensation for signing the contract. This gives the contract some real legal worth. And don't let people out of their contract for anything! They signed, they got cheap install. You held up your end of the deal..now they need to hold up theres -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
LOL. Because I still enjoy coming to work each day and I'm making a good living... and I get to do what I want from replacing bad radios on top of 9,000ft mountains to changing out light bulbs (literally)... ;) Of course, there are days that aren't so good Christmas Eve I had to go clean ice off the dish that's at 9,000ft elevation... 5 hours total time and then Christmas Day I got to go replace a failed Intel ethernet switch on a different mountaintop repeater... 6 hours total time... but all in all, it's still a fun job... :) Travis Microserv Bob Moldashel wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete on price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period. We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling an up to 3meg connection for $29.95. I currently sell a 512k connection for $40 per month (guaranteed 512k 24x7), and we are doing 80-100 installs per month. Most people are going up to the 1meg for $50 per month even. But we offer local support, 10 email accounts, real static IP, a real office they can visit, and we ALWAYS answer the phone with a live person. :) Travis Microserv -B- --waiting for Travis to retire any day now... :-) Sell that sucker...what are you waiting for -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should John Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, We don't do that. Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name in the air - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 virtual AP's on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *--- End of Original Message ---* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
And, when they have a problem and the jerk at Verizon support doesn't fix it. There is some value in being able to talk to the owner of a business. There are prople that don't see it I worked for a roofing company, they moved about 8-10 million dollars a year. The owner of the company was approached by Wells Fargo bank. Do you know what hetold Wells Fargo? When the president of Wells Fargo is willing to come over and pick up my daily receipts,then we can talk. You see, the President of the Brentwood bank would occasionally come over and pick up the daily receipts. Granted, the roofing company was probably the biggest client of the bank, but it does show some value John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
I am not going to debate what the ultimate broadband system architecture is too long because there really is no perfect solution. There are way too many ways of doing things for us to debate it too much. I used to be in the Cable Television industry. In my 10 years in that business I saw several different architectures used to deploy cable television networks. What I am proposing here is no more or less capable of being a solid delivery platform than these other designs I saw in the past. It is simply different. There are more points of failure in what I am proposing than there is in direct fiber runs. That does not mean it is a bad solution. It simply means there are more possible points of failure. The impact of this factor can be minimized if proper design methods are employed. There is no mention here of how deep a cascade would go for these nodes of millimeter wave. We could all get into the specifics of node count, power backup, loop architecture, etc. but the long and short of it is this. If radios are designed and built with low cost, low incidence of failure and cascade counts are kept to a minimum then a very acceptable and practical design can be built in a cost effective way to deliver a triple play solution. The ability to deploy an entire community-wide network with this design in a timely fashion is probably the most attractive factor in this proposed design. I am reasonably certain that a well trained crew could setup an entire small town in just a few days. I really believe that in time you will see millimeter wave radios used as a way of delivering high bandwidth for multiple service offerings in WISP operations. Is it the broadband architecture? I doubt it. I also doubt there is a perfect architecture out there. Regardless I am certain what I am proposing is very capable of being an effective platform for triple play deployment. Until there are low-cost reliable CMOS based millimeter wave radios this discussion is academic. Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: John, I believe there is such a thing coming, and that it may fit in some applications. But I can't see carrying data, VoIP and TVIP across a wireless backbone that is all fed from the radio next to it. Unless you are going to run a complete mesh type network (which would be hard with radios that only reach a few hundred feet), then each radio is dependant on the upstream radio. So to go around a neighborhood with 100 homes, you could be talking 20-30 radios, plus the WiMAX or Wifi access points, etc. You've heard the 12 days of Christmas song that says One light goes out they all go out, right? :) We currently have a fully looped fiber ring around our city. We currently have about 50 customer drops, and we run Cisco switches with Spanning-Tree at 1gbps speeds. Even at this level, there are still problems. Fiber outages, switches that fail, long term power outages (8+ hours) at customer locations, etc. People can handle the Internet being down for a few minutes or hours, and VoIP a few minutes but TV is an entirely different thing. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: The day is going to happen in the not so distant future when there will be CMOS based 70 to 90 Ghz radios the size of a pack of smokes. These will only effectively send data about a few hundred feet. These radios will do over 1 Gbps from day one. The idea is to run them back to back from street light pole to pole and have WiMAX, Wifi, 802.11a (insert your favorite client platform radio here) as the client access device to serve a few homes or businesses around the poles.. This gives us a platform for broadband, telephone and cable television all over wireless. This is not a pipe dream. I am about 2 weeks from having my first pole agreement signed. It is going to happen. The 70 Ghz gear is not going to be a long haul solution. It is going to be a real nice high throughput short haul solution to compete for triple play in cities and even smaller towns eventually. I plan to help prove this as a viable broadband platform in my own community. Now I just wish my friends at Intel would hurry up the development of those CMOS radios! They have all the patents and prototypes today. Bring on the GigE through the air! :-) Scriv G.Villarini wrote: Tom, How do you think 70 ghz gear will cost pennies and help us? For a 1 mile ptp link you need 4 ft dishes on each end, I cant imagine this working for us in ptp or ptmp ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
If you have a competitor on a nearby tower who is uncooperative with you on channel coordination or whatever, I could see this as a way to goof with your competitor, by having his clients associate with you instead, and flood their technical support lines with calls. Having the virtual AP only run from 3:30pm to 4:30pm every other Monday could really make things fun for them to figure out. Thats a mean thing to do, and I would never recommend that anyone do unto others as they wouldn't have done to them. If a competitor goes broke and pulls the plug on his AP, this could REALLY be benificial, as you could advertise on the hotspot signin screen that there will be no setup fee for former brandX clients. If you turn on universal client, you might pick up a customer who sees your tower better than your competitor. About as underhanded and unethical as callforwarding his sales line to yours, but Pete Davis NoDial.net John Scrivner wrote: Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a good thing to do. Scriv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, We don't do that. Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name in the air - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 virtual AP's on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by
