Re: [WISPA] gas prices
Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan in one runs $500!) I'm gonna have to find an suv for my next rig. Probably a Cherokee or Durango. Not sure yet. I want a QUIET rig this time. That's the worst thing about the Taurus around here. The roads are rough and the car is awful. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I don't believe the gas prices will come back down to below 2.00 any time soon. So we're shopping for new high gas mileage vehicles. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Brian, Take a look at this, it may be a more appropriate solution for what you are looking to do. http://www.enable-it.net/820.html Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
Subaru Outback Wagons - You can NOT beat them for rough country / good gas mileage / carrying capacity. They are AWD and 600k miles isn't unheard of. The clearance under them is unbelievable. They have High Output V4s or V6s - They are comfortable / quiet / economic /powerful and will go anywhere that Cherokee you're talking about will go Marlon :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A Jeptha Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan in one runs $500!) I'm gonna have to find an suv for my next rig. Probably a Cherokee or Durango. Not sure yet. I want a QUIET rig this time. That's the worst thing about the Taurus around here. The roads are rough and the car is awful. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I don't believe the gas prices will come back down to below 2.00 any time soon. So we're shopping for new high gas mileage vehicles. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Gotcha! No problem. Just sent you a reply off list. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Hey now...just cause we're smarter... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Don't be beating up on my Yankee boy Rickster now Brad :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Gotcha! No problem. Just sent you a reply off list. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Don't be beating up on my Yankee boy Rickster now Brad :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Gotcha! No problem. Just sent you a reply off list. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
I don't know guys... Whats more costly, GAS or TECHNICIAN's Time? Let expand that more What is the real cost of technician's time. Lost technician time is really lost revenue. That technican is required to generate revenues which are mutiples of his direct income/cost. To cover the various overheads of the company. The problem can't just be solved by hiring more techs, every tech needs to be managed, sales generated for him, etc. A trip to DC and Back from offices. 1.5 hours (60 miles round trip) Tech time cost @ $20 per hour = $30.($15 per hour + factoring in Taxes, Benefits, Paid Holidays and such) Gas Cost @ 10 miles per gallon, @ $3 per gallon = $18. So in conclusion, technician time is almost twice as costly as gas. So the big question is, whats required to optimize a technician's time? How much more efficiency can be acheived by being more organized? What allows better organization? Do you buy the 8 mpg commercial size VAN to gain more room, or the smaller 20 mpg Station wagon / Family VAN ? I chose the Family VAN 5 years ago, and bought two of them. How much space do you really need? Well I pay the consequences daily. I am confident that I am loosing because of that decission. There is just not enough room in that VAN. My techs spend more time cleaning their Vans than they do doing installs, and they are still Pig Steyes. I NEED A BIGGER VAN! Or I need a more organized way of using it. I started to make a list of all the components that we needed in the VAN, the list was getting so large, I ran out of paper. Is it management or space? Those that support the idea that a smaller vehichle is acceptable, I'd be interested in hearing what you carry with you, and what product you chose to do with out. I just haven't found a way to make it all fit. Get answers at this years ISPCON. #A8 Truck Roll Tricks: Installations that Maximize Time and Money Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan in one runs $500!) I'm gonna have to find an suv for my next rig. Probably a Cherokee or Durango. Not sure yet. I want a QUIET rig this time. That's the worst thing about the Taurus around here. The roads are rough and the car is awful. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I don't believe the gas prices will come back down to below 2.00 any time soon. So we're shopping for new high gas mileage vehicles. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own
Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Ill second Johnny's sentiment. I've used those things and they work great for some stuff, until you have to tell the customer to reboot, reboot, or they just stop working. It's better to find another option if at all possible. Unless your going to use the good stuff that Tom DeReggi uses, telkonet. George JohnnyO wrote: Do yourself a favor - Install 2 CB3s and bridge the 2 locations. I've run into tons of headaches trying to use these devices. I'd doubt you'd even need external antennas. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:02 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax Hardware for sale?
Patrick, did you ever send me a price list? cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS... i want pdf product brochures too.. thanks! -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Map... How to Add Your Wireless Internet AP
We are going to add a admin interface to make corrections and changes but for now... it's a - goes is.. dont come out system :o) On 4/19/06, Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I accidentally added one where I don't have one. How can I delete it? Thanks, Brad Hagstrom -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO
No Paul, but I will look at them. Thanks, Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Have you considered the EMP-8602 instead? Cheaper, newer chipset and supports a, b and g (100mW, 400mW and 400mW). Not used them myself but have heard good things from people who have. Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 10 May 2006 23:46 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Defacto Wireless has them in stock as of 2pm www.defactowireless.com Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I am in need of the following. Anyone out there care to help? :) Qty 2 - SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 10/05/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO
Cliff, I think Jim Patient has some. www.jeffcosoho.com Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO No Paul, but I will look at them. Thanks, Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Have you considered the EMP-8602 instead? Cheaper, newer chipset and supports a, b and g (100mW, 400mW and 400mW). Not used them myself but have heard good things from people who have. Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 10 May 2006 23:46 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Defacto Wireless has them in stock as of 2pm www.defactowireless.com Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I am in need of the following. Anyone out there care to help? :) Qty 2 - SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 10/05/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO
Mac Dearman had a few a week or so ago that he was trying to sell. You might check with him. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Cliff, I think Jim Patient has some. www.jeffcosoho.com Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO No Paul, but I will look at them. Thanks, Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Have you considered the EMP-8602 instead? Cheaper, newer chipset and supports a, b and g (100mW, 400mW and 400mW). Not used them myself but have heard good things from people who have. Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 10 May 2006 23:46 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Defacto Wireless has them in stock as of 2pm www.defactowireless.com Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I am in need of the following. Anyone out there care to help? :) Qty 2 - SR5-80211A SUPERRANGE 5 MINIPCI RADIO Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 10/05/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
Tom, We recently just upgraded our entire fleet... purchased brand new Chevy 4x4 trucks with automatic, air, cruise. We then installed 3 tool boxes in each truck bed and a single ladder rack. The trucks get 15mpg and are great in the snow. We also now have a fixed expense on the trucks, having them under warranty and not having any down-time due to vehicles being in the shop. Each truck carries the following items: 26ft extension ladder 12ft ladder socket set cordless drill, regular hammer drill power inverter lag screws, J-mounts, staple gun, silicone, etc. (2) of every kind of radio (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.3ghz, 5.8ghz) box of cable tripod and a couple 10ft poles battery pack for signal tests laptop with GPS That's about it. We also have a backup Chevy Astro AWD van that we used to use... and everything fit perfectly inside that as well. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I don't know guys... Whats more costly, GAS or TECHNICIAN's Time? Let expand that more What is the real cost of technician's time. Lost technician time is really lost revenue. That technican is required to generate revenues which are mutiples of his direct income/cost. To cover the various overheads of the company. The problem can't just be solved by hiring more techs, every tech needs to be managed, sales generated for him, etc. A trip to DC and Back from offices. 1.5 hours (60 miles round trip) Tech time cost @ $20 per hour = $30.($15 per hour + factoring in Taxes, Benefits, Paid Holidays and such) Gas Cost @ 10 miles per gallon, @ $3 per gallon = $18. So in conclusion, technician time is almost twice as costly as gas. So the big question is, whats required to optimize a technician's time? How much more efficiency can be acheived by being more organized? What allows better organization? Do you buy the 8 mpg commercial size VAN to gain more room, or the smaller 20 mpg Station wagon / Family VAN ? I chose the Family VAN 5 years ago, and bought two of them. How much space do you really need? Well I pay the consequences daily. I am confident that I am loosing because of that decission. There is just not enough room in that VAN. My techs spend more time cleaning their Vans than they do doing installs, and they are still Pig Steyes. I NEED A BIGGER VAN! Or I need a more organized way of using it. I started to make a list of all the components that we needed in the VAN, the list was getting so large, I ran out of paper. Is it management or space? Those that support the idea that a smaller vehichle is acceptable, I'd be interested in hearing what you carry with you, and what product you chose to do with out. I just haven't found a way to make it all fit. Get answers at this years ISPCON. #A8 Truck Roll Tricks: Installations that Maximize Time and Money Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan in one runs $500!) I'm gonna have to find an suv for my next rig. Probably a Cherokee or Durango. Not sure yet. I want a QUIET rig this time. That's the worst thing about the Taurus around here. The roads are rough and the car is awful. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re:
[WISPA] Proxim MP11a units for Sale
Title: Proxim MP11a units for Sale Hey List, Got some Proxim Inventory we are selling, used no doa. Units were used as PTP backhauls. Worked great, but replaced by faster backhauls. 4 5054 BSU $400 each 5 5054 SU $250 each Or make an offer for the whole lot! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FTP testing
I just setup a 100MB fiber connection, but our connection to the internet seems limited on the outbound… does anybody have a remote ssh account or interested in downloading from our FTP on the 100mb fiber? Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
Jeez, I carry way more than that. just a few quick things I am thinking of, hard hat harness tree nippers hand tree saw dish arm mounts ground rods grinder ground wire extension cord routers wireless routers surge power strips ratcheting end wrenches 1/4 and 3/8 socket sets dust pan and brush key hole saw 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 10 foot masts dremel vice grips (2 sizes) channel locks crescent wrench (2 sizes) regular drill index 18 inch drill bit (2 sizes) site survey pole 200 foot cat 5 on spool for site surveys little giant ladder bungee straps (6) 300 feet rope mastic super 33+ zip ties and there is a lot more too Travis Johnson wrote: I dunno, I carry way more, but those are a few things I thought of. Tom, We recently just upgraded our entire fleet... purchased brand new Chevy 4x4 trucks with automatic, air, cruise. We then installed 3 tool boxes in each truck bed and a single ladder rack. The trucks get 15mpg and are great in the snow. We also now have a fixed expense on the trucks, having them under warranty and not having any down-time due to vehicles being in the shop. Each truck carries the following items: 26ft extension ladder 12ft ladder socket set cordless drill, regular hammer drill power inverter lag screws, J-mounts, staple gun, silicone, etc. (2) of every kind of radio (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.3ghz, 5.8ghz) box of cable tripod and a couple 10ft poles battery pack for signal tests laptop with GPS That's about it. We also have a backup Chevy Astro AWD van that we used to use... and everything fit perfectly inside that as well. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I don't know guys... Whats more costly, GAS or TECHNICIAN's Time? Let expand that more What is the real cost of technician's time. Lost technician time is really lost revenue. That technican is required to generate revenues which are mutiples of his direct income/cost. To cover the various overheads of the company. The problem can't just be solved by hiring more techs, every tech needs to be managed, sales generated for him, etc. A trip to DC and Back from offices. 1.5 hours (60 miles round trip) Tech time cost @ $20 per hour = $30.($15 per hour + factoring in Taxes, Benefits, Paid Holidays and such) Gas Cost @ 10 miles per gallon, @ $3 per gallon = $18. So in conclusion, technician time is almost twice as costly as gas. So the big question is, whats required to optimize a technician's time? How much more efficiency can be acheived by being more organized? What allows better organization? Do you buy the 8 mpg commercial size VAN to gain more room, or the smaller 20 mpg Station wagon / Family VAN ? I chose the Family VAN 5 years ago, and bought two of them. How much space do you really need? Well I pay the consequences daily. I am confident that I am loosing because of that decission. There is just not enough room in that VAN. My techs spend more time cleaning their Vans than they do doing installs, and they are still Pig Steyes. I NEED A BIGGER VAN! Or I need a more organized way of using it. I started to make a list of all the components that we needed in the VAN, the list was getting so large, I ran out of paper. Is it management or space? Those that support the idea that a smaller vehichle is acceptable, I'd be interested in hearing what you carry with you, and what product you chose to do with out. I just haven't found a way to make it all fit. Get answers at this years ISPCON. #A8 Truck Roll Tricks: Installations that Maximize Time and Money Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan
[WISPA] Trango, takes a licking and keeps on ticking!
I've gotta tell you guys this story. If I wouldn't have seen it I'd never have believed it! I have a ptp 900 MHz link that was a tough one. Unknown trees, hill, buildings etc. in the way. Just can't quite see either end. It's short, under 3 miles but not enough 2.4 GHz signal to make a link work reliably. S, in goes the 900 MHz Trango link. Worked like a charm. The only problem was that the signal at the SU was very low. -88/-89 range. Really cutting that fade margin close. Two or three weeks after the link was put in we had a big storm and dropped the link. Grr I did noise scans etc. from the AP and ended up with clean air. H. Next I tried different channels and polarities on the link. I was (fortunately) able to duplicate a problem by running the radio to radio tests. I could cause 15% error rates or .1% error rates just by changing channels and/or polarity. Funny thing was, the rssi at the AP was -75 or so. Way better than it had been with the SU when the link was first installed. After talking to tech support I found out that there were some units with flaky radios. They could have low rec. or low transmit. We brought in the cheapest end to rr. Turned out that the new SU has an rssi of -73 where the old one had a -89. Now it's important to remember that the old one had low signal right from day one. That's important because this morning when I took the old one out of my care I noticed that it rattled. WELL, I thought, no wonder it wasn't working right. Then I noticed the .22 caliber bullet hole in the top left hand corner! So here we had a unit with a hole in it, the bullet still inside, during the rainy season and it was still working! The customers were still getting service. It would have eventually filled up with water and failed. If the bullet would have gone in a few inches lower the board would have gotten a hole in it. If the bullet would have landed on the electronics they'd have shorted out. So many ifs! In the end, I have a working radio with a slug inside of it! I'm hoping that Trango will take my word for it that the unit had the low signal issue right out of the box. But if they don't, how can one blame them? sheesh. I knew that the telco didn't like me, I never thought that they'd go this far though! roflol laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Great data storage site!
Wish I could have gotten ahold of this local. I was in there back in the '80's. No that's not my name on any of the walls! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4455060285#description This place is huge and within range of my wireless. It's only about 15 miles from Odessa. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
We've got a good accountant and a good lawyer. Being a corp has it's down sides too. We're probably not far from it though. When the time is right we'll jump on the band wagon. When you sell, if you are a corp, you take a huge hit. As for hiding behind a corporate veil, what's the exposure? If you really screw up they go after you personally anyhow. And we're insured quite well. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices You run your business as a sole proprietor? That means you have no asset protection - and you can only take advantage of about 25% of the tax code. S Corp or LLC allows you both asset protection and tax breaks. Marlon, spend the $1000 to have a corporate attorney get you incorporated and get your assets allocated correctly. One lawsuit and you lose everything - personal and business. Regards, Peter Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We're a sole proprietor so all of the gas runs under the same bill. I filled the boat up once. Melissa drives a Suburban to work (4 miles or so) and we usually take that on out of town trips (much safer than the car) and I did fill up two Jerry cans for the dirt bikes. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ . -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I've looked at them. Two problems. Lack of space for tool boxes, antennas etc. They are too short to really hold a long extension ladder. The other issue is the dang resale value. I could buy two Jeeps for the cost of anything Subaru! hehehehehe I'll check 'em out some more. I did look at them pretty seriously a few years back. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Subaru Outback Wagons - You can NOT beat them for rough country / good gas mileage / carrying capacity. They are AWD and 600k miles isn't unheard of. The clearance under them is unbelievable. They have High Output V4s or V6s - They are comfortable / quiet / economic /powerful and will go anywhere that Cherokee you're talking about will go Marlon :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A Jeptha Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices Hey, leave my Taurus wagon alone. I would like to go back to an AWD Astro/Safari, but the cost of gas is the problem, but the height, the space and the AWD makes all the difference. the difference in mileage between the two is double. $25.00CDN and $45.00CDN for the same distance. Can't argue with the wife (Accounting Dept.) with those figures. :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I thought of that too. But if I get an extra 5, even 10 mpg it still won't make up for the payment on the rig. I love these uses Taurus wagons. I've had two of them go 230,000 miles now with nothing major. Oh yeah, one got an engine at 220,000 or so but that was my fault for running it low on oil. Pick them up used with 75,000 to 100,000 all day long. Usually for less than $8k too. Cheap insurance, decent mileage, easy to get the ladder on etc. My only problem now is that I have too many towers up in the sticks and can't get to them without whacking the bottom of the car all of the time on the rocks. (I DO know that changing an oil pan in one runs $500!) I'm gonna have to find an suv for my next rig. Probably a Cherokee or Durango. Not sure yet. I want a QUIET rig this time. That's the worst thing about the Taurus around here. The roads are rough and the car is awful. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I don't believe the gas prices will come back down to below 2.00 any time soon. So we're shopping for new high gas mileage vehicles. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
You're kidding right? You have a good accountant and a good lawyer yet neither has strongly recommended you have some sort of liability protection? Insurance isn't enough; spend the couple of hundred dollars it takes to incorporate. -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We've got a good accountant and a good lawyer. Being a corp has it's down sides too. We're probably not far from it though. When the time is right we'll jump on the band wagon. When you sell, if you are a corp, you take a huge hit. As for hiding behind a corporate veil, what's the exposure? If you really screw up they go after you personally anyhow. And we're insured quite well. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices You run your business as a sole proprietor? That means you have no asset protection - and you can only take advantage of about 25% of the tax code. S Corp or LLC allows you both asset protection and tax breaks. Marlon, spend the $1000 to have a corporate attorney get you incorporated and get your assets allocated correctly. One lawsuit and you lose everything - personal and business. Regards, Peter Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We're a sole proprietor so all of the gas runs under the same bill. I filled the boat up once. Melissa drives a Suburban to work (4 miles or so) and we usually take that on out of town trips (much safer than the car) and I did fill up two Jerry cans for the dirt bikes. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ . -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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purchased brand new Chevy 4x4 trucks with Swt! Each truck carries the following items: 26ft extension ladder We carry 30 ft ext as standard. 80% of the residential jobs can be done with the 30ft, but the others require the full 40 footer :-( Usually, we'll go back with the 40 ft, as needed. 12ft ladder By default we carry two smaller ladders... 6 foot for indoor use. Gorilla Ladder (I think up to 24 ft). The Gorilla ladders are awesome, and also collapsable to shorter height. Many of our homes require two ladders at once, one from the ground, one to the second roof. We load our 12ft A Frame up only when we know we need it, for taller ceiling warehouse type sites. socket set Lets not forget the dual kits. Two sets, so a two man crew can both have the tool they need. Wrenches for both sides of a Bolt/nut. Not all nuts are accessable via sockets, so wrench set. Then different complete quick cases for specific purposes. When running CAT5 in an office suite it need different tools than the tools needed for a outdoor flat roof install. So take the lighter kit designed for the job. Can't forget the crimp kits for CAT5, special CAT5 Shielded jack, Fiber tools, COAX RG6, COAX LMR400-500, for both outer casing and conductive PINs. Soldering Kit. Add test tools, Volt meter, Fox and Hound, Cat5 Tester. And don't forget the tool belt, loaded with everything needed. cordless drill, regular hammer drill We add a Sawzaw as well for cutting allthread and stuff. Dremel for cable sheithing and fine cutting. And can't forget the thousand different type of drill bits, masonry 1/2, 18 longs, 2 hole, masonry for screws, 1/2 wood, etc. We also got the ammo nail gun, for going into the concrete ceilings. Also the various chargers. power inverter battery pack for signal tests That was a big time saver for us, once we got the portable power packs. lag screws, J-mounts, staple gun, silicone, etc. Space requirements add up quicker than you think. Each van has three portable large screw organizer cases, to handle all the major types of fasteners needed. Screws, nuts, ibeam clamps, ground wire clamps, anchors (wood, masonry, brick, floor), etc. Can't forget brackets to mount conduit, (ceiling hang or wall mount). Also spray Paint, several colors (white, sky, red brick, grey). Then you add mounts, Chimney, J-mount, M-mount, M-mount offset, Non-penetrating 5 ft (frm), non-penetrating 10ft (jrm) Can't forget surface mount boxes and wall plates, varying colors, varying number of holes, plastic, metal, (2) of every kind of radio (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.3ghz, 5.8ghz) But can't forget the external antennas. M2 Yagis, DSSS dish, on occasion room for two parabolics (ether 2-3-4 ft models). Can't forget the Mikrotik/StarOS stock. 1 rootena model, 1 standalone case. Spare 7panel, 19-23 panel 5.8Ghz, window 2.4Ghz antenna. Then you can't foget Wifi Home routers, up to 5 Linksys-G, 1 Belkin Pre-N, 1 wired only, 1 VPN router. Maybe also two set of HomePlug kit, a CPE and Gateway for TelkoNet. box of cable Make that 8 spools. 1 spool Outdoor Direct Burial Commercial Flat roof grade (Superior Essex). 1 spool Outdoor sheilded residential (ARC Wireless), 2 spool CAT5 Plenum (often pull two runs at once), 1 spool Shielded Plenum Cat5 (expensive so don't always use it, but sometimes neeed it). 1 spool #6 Guage Ground (long runs, cell site), 1 spool #8 ground (residential, short runs) , 1 spool #10 Ground (tiing in Lightning Protector). Leave adequate room for occasional small spool of BX 3-wire 12AWG AC Electrical. Can't forget spare patch cords of various sizes, we always leave one as a courtesy. Snake rods for easy cable fishing. Bucket of Pull String. Leave room for Shop Vacume, if need to suck pull string through conduit, where cable needs to get run through. You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. tripod and a couple 10ft poles laptop with GPS Can't forget the climbing harnesses, and buckets used with it. or other safety gear, Red Cones, Yellow Vests, Hardhats. We can't forget to leave room, to load up the 8-16 cinder blocks required for each Non-Penetrating mount install. Preferrable like to ahve room to load 36, so we can make one trip to HomeDepot per two installs, instead of every one. Can't forget the additional cinder blocks needed every 15 feet to fastens cable to for commercial flat roofs. Can't forget the flat cart (it takes forever to haul up the cinder blocks through the lobby and elevators without it.) Can't got get method of carrying blocks up ladders. (either rope or large shoulder bag). With an extension ladder, its angled so you can just go one handed with the block on your shoulder. But with Penthouse roof ladders, they are 100% verticle, not safe to climb one handed. Now you need to leave a trash bin area, for the no longer needed cardboard boxes, and finished water bottles. Some of
Re: [WISPA] Trango, takes a licking and keeps on ticking!
Then I noticed the .22 caliber bullet hole in the top left hand corner! Maybe Scott Corullo was doing some consulting work in the area Ducking... Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango, takes a licking and keeps on ticking! I've gotta tell you guys this story. If I wouldn't have seen it I'd never have believed it! I have a ptp 900 MHz link that was a tough one. Unknown trees, hill, buildings etc. in the way. Just can't quite see either end. It's short, under 3 miles but not enough 2.4 GHz signal to make a link work reliably. S, in goes the 900 MHz Trango link. Worked like a charm. The only problem was that the signal at the SU was very low. -88/-89 range. Really cutting that fade margin close. Two or three weeks after the link was put in we had a big storm and dropped the link. Grr I did noise scans etc. from the AP and ended up with clean air. H. Next I tried different channels and polarities on the link. I was (fortunately) able to duplicate a problem by running the radio to radio tests. I could cause 15% error rates or .1% error rates just by changing channels and/or polarity. Funny thing was, the rssi at the AP was -75 or so. Way better than it had been with the SU when the link was first installed. After talking to tech support I found out that there were some units with flaky radios. They could have low rec. or low transmit. We brought in the cheapest end to rr. Turned out that the new SU has an rssi of -73 where the old one had a -89. Now it's important to remember that the old one had low signal right from day one. That's important because this morning when I took the old one out of my care I noticed that it rattled. WELL, I thought, no wonder it wasn't working right. Then I noticed the .22 caliber bullet hole in the top left hand corner! So here we had a unit with a hole in it, the bullet still inside, during the rainy season and it was still working! The customers were still getting service. It would have eventually filled up with water and failed. If the bullet would have gone in a few inches lower the board would have gotten a hole in it. If the bullet would have landed on the electronics they'd have shorted out. So many ifs! In the end, I have a working radio with a slug inside of it! I'm hoping that Trango will take my word for it that the unit had the low signal issue right out of the box. But if they don't, how can one blame them? sheesh. I knew that the telco didn't like me, I never thought that they'd go this far though! roflol laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
I would hesitate to call any attorney that advised a business Marlons size against incorporating Good. Too much protection there not to do it. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices You're kidding right? You have a good accountant and a good lawyer yet neither has strongly recommended you have some sort of liability protection? Insurance isn't enough; spend the couple of hundred dollars it takes to incorporate. -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We've got a good accountant and a good lawyer. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
Yup - I can install an 8ft Grounding Rod in about 60seconds from start to finish without using a hammer. Can be a little workout at times but tis the easiest way I know how. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
We use a rotary hammer drill with a special bit that is for driving grounding rods and man does it make them slide right in like a hot knife through butter. It will even drive them through small rocks. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Yup - I can install an 8ft Grounding Rod in about 60seconds from start to finish without using a hammer. Can be a little workout at times but tis the easiest way I know how. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
Yeah, your in that nice sandy soil up north. Come on down to Centerville. My yard is harder that the sidewalk in the summer. Put some water on the ground in the at it would make steam, not mud. That's why pottery is made of clay, and boy do we have some. Actually, I will have to try that, but I am pretty sure around here every uses a fence post driver or the hammer drill type attachment. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA]delete me
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices We use a rotary hammer drill with a special bit that is for driving grounding rods and man does it make them slide right in like a hot knife through butter. It will even drive them through small rocks. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Yup - I can install an 8ft Grounding Rod in about 60seconds from start to finish without using a hammer. Can be a little workout at times but tis the easiest way I know how. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] need your contact info
Hey folks, My PC bit the dust while I was in Dallas (MUM) and now the magic smoke in my cell phone has escaped. In these two POS items was contained my entire brain! If I am supposed to have your work contact number, email addy, cell phone number, VoIP number, home number...etc - Would you please shoot me an email (off list please to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the pertinent data? It would make my life a million times easier and I would certainly appreciate your time and effort. Oh yeah - - - if you owe me money - - - don't worry as my wife has that data in a safe place :-) Thanks, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] need your contact info
I knew you should have bought a computer and a cell phone at Fry's instead of those Squid thingy's. Did Butch break your laptop? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need your contact info Hey folks, My PC bit the dust while I was in Dallas (MUM) and now the magic smoke in my cell phone has escaped. In these two POS items was contained my entire brain! If I am supposed to have your work contact number, email addy, cell phone number, VoIP number, home number...etc - Would you please shoot me an email (off list please to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the pertinent data? It would make my life a million times easier and I would certainly appreciate your time and effort. Oh yeah - - - if you owe me money - - - don't worry as my wife has that data in a safe place :-) Thanks, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
Scott, I dont have much sand here, you have to go north of Fort Wayne to get into that. We have a lot of clay here as well. Rick Harnish From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Yeah, your in that nice sandy soil up north. Come on down to Centerville. My yard is harder that the sidewalk in the summer. Put some water on the ground in the at it would make steam, not mud. That's why pottery is made of clay, and boy do we have some. Actually, I will have to try that, but I am pretty sure around here every uses a fence post driver or the hammer drill type attachment. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices Tom, You can't forget the grounding rod, and the big ass Hammer to hammer it in. You don't need the big ass Hammer! Just pour a little water on the ground, push the rod in, pull it out, fill the hole with water, push it in again. Repeat this process until you get the rod in almost all the way in and hammer it the last few inches. Works like a charm. And you already have water bottles in stock :) I never would have believed it until I saw it done! The water softens the ground and works as a lubricant. Its really slick. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
I have to also agree! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I would hesitate to call any attorney that advised a business Marlons size against incorporating Good. Too much protection there not to do it. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices You're kidding right? You have a good accountant and a good lawyer yet neither has strongly recommended you have some sort of liability protection? Insurance isn't enough; spend the couple of hundred dollars it takes to incorporate. -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We've got a good accountant and a good lawyer. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] need your contact info
No - Butch has not broke my laptop (yet) hehehehehe My laptop is new as well and I just havent ever done email on it before now - thus - - no contact info. I know - I know I should have exported my contact list out of my Mozilla Thunderbird/Outlook - - but I just hadn't done it. Man, I feel lost with a new cell phone, a new laptop with no info and and now a new workstation as well. We are all (me and PC's) equally as dumb and lacking any real information that is worth anything! Hind sight really is 20/20!! Mac I knew you should have bought a computer and a cell phone at Fry's instead of those Squid thingy's. Did Butch break your laptop? Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need your contact info Hey folks, My PC bit the dust while I was in Dallas (MUM) and now the magic smoke in my cell phone has escaped. In these two POS items was contained my entire brain! If I am supposed to have your work contact number, email addy, cell phone number, VoIP number, home number...etc - Would you please shoot me an email (off list please to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the pertinent data? It would make my life a million times easier and I would certainly appreciate your time and effort. Oh yeah - - - if you owe me money - - - don't worry as my wife has that data in a safe place :-) Thanks, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] gas prices
But then again - You're from Houma ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] gas prices I have to also agree! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices I would hesitate to call any attorney that advised a business Marlons size against incorporating Good. Too much protection there not to do it. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gas prices You're kidding right? You have a good accountant and a good lawyer yet neither has strongly recommended you have some sort of liability protection? Insurance isn't enough; spend the couple of hundred dollars it takes to incorporate. -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We've got a good accountant and a good lawyer. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
