Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Junk Mail]

Download the MIT roofnet project files , then select an SOC hardware
platform and 
several of you get together hire a linux systems architect on contract
and have him 
re-compile to your chosen platform.

Or you could beat the distro (forge it) into submission on the SOC
platform chosen yourselves, 
albeit, I think you'll find it is not that expensive to contract it.

mw
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:09 -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
> anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
> exists.
> 
> On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
> > Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
> > cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
> > will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
> > any other companies offering products along this line?
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless System Valuation

[Matt Liotta]

Tom DeReggi wrote:
I've been argueing for YEARS, that revenue is way over rated as a method 
to evaluate a company's worth. There are so many other more important 
factors such as how much revenue will your company enable the buyer to 
obtain because they have your assets.


How is that argument going? You must have learned by now that one buys 
another company to grow revenue and/or reduce costs in this space. There 
is no need to buy a company to access a market unless you have an 
exclusive in that market. Do you have an exclusive? Most WISPs don't, so 
in the end it all comes back to revenue.


Forbes shared information about his sale. From all that I have heard it 
is a prototypical deal. On one side you have a motivated seller and on 
the other a motivated buyer who can both agree on a reasonable valuation 
formula based on hard metrics e.g. revenue, customers, etc.


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Re: [WISPA] Politics as Usual

[Tom DeReggi]

Forbes,

You brought up an interesting point of view.
The definition of someone selling "Internet" access.
Yes, Consumers believe the term "Internet" to be OPEN access in terms of 
NetNeutrality.
And likely could be considered deceptive or Fraud to advertise "Internet" 
for sale and it not be open.
But what if a carrier calls it's service for sale, "Broadband". Broadband 
has not been branded as having to be "open" or "Public".
Only thing tied to "broadband"'s definition is connectivity over 200kbps 
symetrical.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

[George Rogato]

John Valenti wrote:

Mark,

What don't you like about the Lucaya enclosures?

I have one of the 1208 versions to evaluate. I think I like it a lot. 
The built-in antenna seems like it should be good enough for LOS 
customers out to a mile, and with our trees few people would have LOS 
beyond that anyway.


If I want to use a stronger antenna, I can plug in a VAGI (that's what 
I'm leaning toward currently).  And I can set that H or V polarity as 
desired.


I should be able to just stock this single radio and be fully covered 
for clients in 2.4GHz.  Near as I can tell, it is slightly cheaper than 
the Rootenna parts, arrives ready to install, and is FCC certified.


I do like the small Rootenna, but realistically I spent several hours 
over the weekend putting together just 4 systems (and then testing 
them). I would be happy to never need to connect another ufl pigtail!   
Just testing the Roos in my basement, none of them worked as well as the 
8dBi Lucaya unit.


-John



I  got an evaluation pack from Lonnie.

The "can o war" as lonnie calls them, are nifty little cpe's. At 109.00 
for qty 100 I think it's great deal too if I could use them in the right 
locations. With a price like that, you almost can't go wrong.


I 2nd the ufl pigtail thouhts.




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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

[John Valenti]

Mark,

What don't you like about the Lucaya enclosures?

I have one of the 1208 versions to evaluate. I think I like it a lot.  
The built-in antenna seems like it should be good enough for LOS  
customers out to a mile, and with our trees few people would have LOS  
beyond that anyway.


If I want to use a stronger antenna, I can plug in a VAGI (that's  
what I'm leaning toward currently).  And I can set that H or V  
polarity as desired.


I should be able to just stock this single radio and be fully covered  
for clients in 2.4GHz.  Near as I can tell, it is slightly cheaper  
than the Rootenna parts, arrives ready to install, and is FCC certified.


I do like the small Rootenna, but realistically I spent several hours  
over the weekend putting together just 4 systems (and then testing  
them). I would be happy to never need to connect another ufl  
pigtail!   Just testing the Roos in my basement, none of them worked  
as well as the 8dBi Lucaya unit.


-John


On October 26, at 11:13 AM October 26, Mark Nash wrote:

That's really too bad because this unit WOULD BE very valuable to  
me if it could run StarOS v3.  It's small, powerful, dual-pol, has  
LEDs to speed up the install/site survey (I know that LEDs aren't  
everything in a link), reasonably priced, FCC-Certified, etc.


HOWEVER, StarOS v3 is my direction, so boards, standoffs, pigtails,  
and RooTennas it is.  I don't like the Lucaya enclosures, or the  
enclosures with integrated antennas.





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RE: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

[Jeff Broadwick]

In theory, you should be able to bill the government for your time/costs
incurred for THE INTERCEPT, not any recurring or upfront charges.  In
theory...

 

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:33 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA
costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list?

Dylan

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Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)

It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did
add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was
done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creating too
many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you don't want to
advertise your response to the general list.

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[WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

[Dylan Bouterse]

I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA
costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list?

Dylan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)

It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or
did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this
was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or
creating too many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you
don't want to advertise your response to the general list.

Dylan



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Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

[Martha Huizenga]

Hi Dylan,

I am not compensating for this. I am not sure that customers would be 
appreciative or understand. Also, the costs that you are referring to 
could possibly happen only when you are given a subpoenaed unless you 
are paying a monthly fee for a product you bought from a vendor.


Martha

Dylan Bouterse wrote:

I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA
costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list?

Dylan

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)

It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or
did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this
was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or
creating too many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you
don't want to advertise your response to the general list.

Dylan



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[WISPA] The day the routers died

[Adam Kennedy]

This is from RIPE-55 meeting  It made me laugh. While funny, it 
strikes of a somewhat serious tone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0

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Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

[George Rogato]

I understood from a vendor who was looking to sell me a calea solution 
that they would bill us for the cost of each intercept, etc, but not 
expect us to pay them until we get re-reimbursed by the government.


Light bulb went off.



Jeff Broadwick wrote:

In theory, you should be able to bill the government for your time/costs
incurred for THE INTERCEPT, not any recurring or upfront charges.  In
theory...

 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA
costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list?

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)

It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did
add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was
done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creating too
many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you don't want to
advertise your response to the general list.

Dylan




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RE: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

[Marty Dougherty]

One more question- I need 100Meg Ethernet (copper)as well- can you add a
card for that or is there a combo that will do 10/100/1000 copper?

MArfty

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Hi Dylan,

I am not compensating for this. I am not sure that customers would be 
appreciative or understand. Also, the costs that you are referring to 
could possibly happen only when you are given a subpoenaed unless you 
are paying a monthly fee for a product you bought from a vendor.

Martha

Dylan Bouterse wrote:
> I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their 
> CALEA costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list?
>
> Dylan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)
>
> It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered 
> or did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if

> this was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or

> creating too many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if 
> you don't want to advertise your response to the general list.
>
> Dylan
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

[David E. Smith]

On Mon, October 29, 2007 9:01 pm, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all
> of their internet traffic in and out of their network.

What problem are they trying to solve, where they think this is what they
want?

This would take a LOT of disk space and a pretty hefty database,
especially if they want to retain this information for weeks or months.
They'll also need a fairly clever person around to sort things out,
separating the wheat of a given Web request from the chaff of random ICMP
traffic and other background noise (or even more computing horsepower to
try to precompute the associations between, say, "DNS lookup" and "Web
request").

I can't think of any off-the-shelf product that fills this niche right
off. If they really need this and nothing else will do, feel free to write
it. The scary part is that some people will blissfully ignore the privacy
implications and buy one, possibly making you rich in the process :D

David Smith
MVN.net




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RE: [WISPA] traffic logging

[Dennis Burgess]

Trend Micro, Their Interscan Gateway box is GREAT, not cheap, but great.
Else, they have a IWSS (Interscan Web Security Suite).  This is a proxy
server, but you can configure it to be transparent.  If they are part of a
domain, its easy enough to configure, and it will track the usage across
usernames not IPs. 

PLUS, you get anti-virus, Spy ware protection right on the gateway!  Works
wonders at several clients I have put it in at.  Went from 3-4 spy ware
calls of (I need a new computer cause mine is so slow) to none!  

Dennis


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

On Mon, October 29, 2007 9:01 pm, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all
> of their internet traffic in and out of their network.

What problem are they trying to solve, where they think this is what they
want?

This would take a LOT of disk space and a pretty hefty database,
especially if they want to retain this information for weeks or months.
They'll also need a fairly clever person around to sort things out,
separating the wheat of a given Web request from the chaff of random ICMP
traffic and other background noise (or even more computing horsepower to
try to precompute the associations between, say, "DNS lookup" and "Web
request").

I can't think of any off-the-shelf product that fills this niche right
off. If they really need this and nothing else will do, feel free to write
it. The scary part is that some people will blissfully ignore the privacy
implications and buy one, possibly making you rich in the process :D

David Smith
MVN.net





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[WISPA] traffic logging

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all 
of their internet traffic in and out of their network. However, unlike 
Ethereal or anything like that, they need something that is _very_ easy 
to use (web interface, with full logs so they can go back months at a 
time). Ideally they want to be able to bring up a webpage and then 
gradually drill down to find the info they are looking for (like 
xx.xx.xx.xx went to ebay.com, etc.). They already have content filtering 
and SPAM protection in place, they just need a traffic logging device.


On the technical side, it would be nice to have a box that would run in 
promiscuous mode so we could just mirror a port on their switch rather 
than having it run in-line. We are very technical, so if we need to 
build a unix box for a free or low-cost application to run, that's no 
problem. We just haven't been able to find anything that is easy to use 
for the end user.


thanks,

Travis
Microserv



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Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

They just want to see that user A went to site B at time C. They
basically just want to be Big Brother on their network (and it's a
government agency, so they can).

For the more technical people, the best packet tracking program I have
ever seen is IpAudit. We have run it on our own backbone for almost 3
years now. It somehow grabs every single packet, logs it, and then
saves it with _very_ minimal load on the PC. We have it running on a
P4/2.8ghz with 1GB of RAM and it keeps up fine with 120Mbps incoming x
50Mbps outgoing traffic (30,000pps total). It has a web front end that
enables my 1st level techs to check people's IP addresses to see if it
looks like they are infected with a virus, worm, etc. It really is a
quite amazing program, especially for free. The only problem is you
have to be somewhat technical to even use it, and my customer needs
something very simple to use.

Travis
Microserv

David E. Smith wrote:

  On Mon, October 29, 2007 9:01 pm, Travis Johnson wrote:

  
  
I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all
of their internet traffic in and out of their network.

  
  
What problem are they trying to solve, where they think this is what they
want?

This would take a LOT of disk space and a pretty hefty database,
especially if they want to retain this information for weeks or months.
They'll also need a fairly clever person around to sort things out,
separating the wheat of a given Web request from the chaff of random ICMP
traffic and other background noise (or even more computing horsepower to
try to precompute the associations between, say, "DNS lookup" and "Web
request").

I can't think of any off-the-shelf product that fills this niche right
off. If they really need this and nothing else will do, feel free to write
it. The scary part is that some people will blissfully ignore the privacy
implications and buy one, possibly making you rich in the process :D

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

[Sam Tetherow]

Do they want to be able to actually disect packet contents or just 
connection information?  If they don't need contents than anything that 
stores netflow data will work on the gathering side and your border 
router should support netflow.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all 
of their internet traffic in and out of their network. However, unlike 
Ethereal or anything like that, they need something that is _very_ 
easy to use (web interface, with full logs so they can go back months 
at a time). Ideally they want to be able to bring up a webpage and 
then gradually drill down to find the info they are looking for (like 
xx.xx.xx.xx went to ebay.com, etc.). They already have content 
filtering and SPAM protection in place, they just need a traffic 
logging device.


On the technical side, it would be nice to have a box that would run 
in promiscuous mode so we could just mirror a port on their switch 
rather than having it run in-line. We are very technical, so if we 
need to build a unix box for a free or low-cost application to run, 
that's no problem. We just haven't been able to find anything that is 
easy to use for the end user.


thanks,

Travis
Microserv


 


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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Dennis Burgess]

Just use MT!  Mikrotik and OSPF.  Forget about these automated meshing
systems, which require one vendor, etc.  Plus, I know what that is going to
do vs some unknown algorithm doing something unforeseen.  Really, other than
rapid STP, what else can these things do!  

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

Download the MIT roofnet project files , then select an SOC hardware
platform and 
several of you get together hire a linux systems architect on contract
and have him 
re-compile to your chosen platform.

Or you could beat the distro (forge it) into submission on the SOC
platform chosen yourselves, 
albeit, I think you'll find it is not that expensive to contract it.

mw
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:09 -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
> anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
> exists.
> 
> On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
> > Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
> > cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
> > will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
> > any other companies offering products along this line?
> >
> > Anthony
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Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

[Joshua Rowe]

I agree with the netflow data, it's easy on the router, no super huge 
database required, and here is a link to a demo for a product I've used 
before that may just fit the bill for you, I have used the free edition 
(monitors two interfaces)for some time now for a customers dedicated line 
and it works nicely with lots of handy reporting. Let me know if this helps, 
thanks!

http://demo.netflowanalyzer.com/netflow/jspui/NetworkSnapShot.jsp


Josh Rowe

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NexGenAccess Inc. 


-- Original Message ---
From: Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:10:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] traffic logging

> Do they want to be able to actually disect packet contents or just 
> connection information?  If they don't need contents than anything 
> that stores netflow data will work on the gathering side and your 
> border router should support netflow.
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> Travis Johnson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a large customer that is looking for a device that will log all 
> > of their internet traffic in and out of their network. However, unlike 
> > Ethereal or anything like that, they need something that is _very_ 
> > easy to use (web interface, with full logs so they can go back months 
> > at a time). Ideally they want to be able to bring up a webpage and 
> > then gradually drill down to find the info they are looking for (like 
> > xx.xx.xx.xx went to ebay.com, etc.). They already have content 
> > filtering and SPAM protection in place, they just need a traffic 
> > logging device.
> >
> > On the technical side, it would be nice to have a box that would run 
> > in promiscuous mode so we could just mirror a port on their switch 
> > rather than having it run in-line. We are very technical, so if we 
> > need to build a unix box for a free or low-cost application to run, 
> > that's no problem. We just haven't been able to find anything that is 
> > easy to use for the end user.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
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