Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issueOct 7th, 2008
Ryan, Not to take anything from your tests! I have saw that clearly from all the other responses. Their is definitely an issue with Mikrotik and the new firmware that affects almost EVERYTHING! I am in a dilemma with swapping out 900 Mhz Canopy in our town with clear LOS, with something else! I have a Mikrotik box with a Prism 23dB card running a 120 degree 16dB Pac Wireless Antenna on 3.10 Mikrotik Firmware! I only have 2 cpq's on it at the moment. Will test and report back...but I am sure with the loss on cable I have I need to replace it and report back with something else. -- Original Message -- From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:02:34 -0700 >Since Damian has made this public, I guess I can talk about this >testing > >I have been using their beta software for over 2 weeks now and I have >uptimes that long as well. > >I will not disagree with Damian regarding the mtik patch. :) > >This **IS** an Mtik issue and affects more than just Tranzeo devices. > >ryan > > >On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Damian Wallace wrote: > >> >> >> MT has made several betas available for testing. The results are >> promising, but we aren't running real clients on the MT. >> >> We also have an extremely hacky way of dealing with this issue. We >> have >> an alpha available for this on a Non-Supported basis. When this >> feature >> is turned on, you have to reboot the AP when management changes like >> channel are made. >> >> You can get a copy of the alpha by emailing support. They will send >> you >> a copy of the firmware and a warning that this breaks a lot of ways AP >> send management frames, and that we don't support it. We think you >> are >> better off to use the Microtik patch since it should solve the problem >> for all units, not just Tranzeos. >> >> >> >> >> *** >> Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator >> http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp >> *** >> The PART-15.ORG tranzeo Discussion List >> This is a Paid Subscription Email Discussion List Service. >> All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property >> of PART-15.ORG >> *** >> To unsubscribe from the list: Send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> In the Body: Unsubscribe Tranzeo > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?
Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World WiNOG, on the other hand... -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax world news? Any interesting news? -Original Message- From: Adam Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance & reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical < 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
For those that don't know, Ligo also has a SSH interface, with Linux shell access. Its a real quick way to get radio stats and do tests. All using the standard tools Linux users are familiar with. For example ping, ps, iwconfig I completely forgot about it, until reminded tonight. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: >> H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care >> to >> head up that effort? > > I can certainly try to coordinate people, but I'm nowhere near qualified > to run the show. I can take names with the best of 'em, though. > > (Anyone interested in contributing to a hypothetical "wireless MIB > standardization project," please contact me OFF-LIST, and I'll see if we > have enough brains to make it happen.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
> Note: What is "standard"? Trango is not "standard 802.11", it is a > proprietary product. Therefore its appropriate that its MIBs may not be > "802.11" standard MIBs. > I'm not saying that it is not good for vendors to standardize. But > manufacturers may have a larger goal such as backward compatibility to > their > pre-existing proprietary platform. > It would really stink, for someone that wrote a bunch of tools to a set of > MIBS, and then have to redo all the work because the MIBs changed. My theory is that there will be plenty of things that are "generic" enough that it won't matter whether you're using real-802.11, modified-802.11, or some other proprietary system. Just about any radio link will have a signal level and a noise level, for instance. Just about any radio link will have a center frequency and a channel width. Hopefully, every radio interface will be passing traffic (that sort of thing is trackable easily enough on a per-client basis, but many APs in PtMP systems don't give you an easy way to monitor throughput to each individual client from the AP). And those are just things off the top of my head, that various radios in my network don't export in some manner. There are probably plenty of other things that are fairly common in any radio link, and I'm really hoping to just put together a nice simple standardized way for any given wireless vendor to make sure they've covered all the stuff that WISPs need to manage effectively their networks. There's no reason that Trango, or any other vendor, can't continue to offer these statistics under their own private enterprise MIBs too in addition to some hypothetical WISPA MIB. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE
This one's only 12 port, but the price is hard to beat. http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/3396586/vpcsid/0/SFV/31 734 Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:00 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE Does anyone have any recommendations for rackmounted PoE injectors? I was looking at a Panduit PoE injecting 24 port patch panel, but I imagine that'll cost an arm and a leg. I'm not sure how many I'll need, but I'm guessing around 30. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Note: What is "standard"? Trango is not "standard 802.11", it is a proprietary product. Therefore its appropriate that its MIBs may not be "802.11" standard MIBs. I'm not saying that it is not good for vendors to standardize. But manufacturers may have a larger goal such as backward compatibility to their pre-existing proprietary platform. It would really stink, for someone that wrote a bunch of tools to a set of MIBS, and then have to redo all the work because the MIBs changed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > >> One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP >> address >> for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, >> Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and >> the >> list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box >> passwords. >> It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were >> standardized! > > I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very > least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. > > Trango gear doesn't use the "standard" MIBs for interface traffic, for > instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph > throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave > doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, > instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes > some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it > (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone > that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic > counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost > everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same > things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of > associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or "average" SNR. > > If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to > adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 7th, 2008
Since Damian has made this public, I guess I can talk about this testing I have been using their beta software for over 2 weeks now and I have uptimes that long as well. I will not disagree with Damian regarding the mtik patch. :) This **IS** an Mtik issue and affects more than just Tranzeo devices. ryan On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Damian Wallace wrote: > > > MT has made several betas available for testing. The results are > promising, but we aren't running real clients on the MT. > > We also have an extremely hacky way of dealing with this issue. We > have > an alpha available for this on a Non-Supported basis. When this > feature > is turned on, you have to reboot the AP when management changes like > channel are made. > > You can get a copy of the alpha by emailing support. They will send > you > a copy of the firmware and a warning that this breaks a lot of ways AP > send management frames, and that we don't support it. We think you > are > better off to use the Microtik patch since it should solve the problem > for all units, not just Tranzeos. > > > > > *** > Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator > http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp > *** > The PART-15.ORG tranzeo Discussion List > This is a Paid Subscription Email Discussion List Service. > All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property > of PART-15.ORG > *** > To unsubscribe from the list: Send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the Body: Unsubscribe Tranzeo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canopy 2400BH 10mb
All I am in a jam and in need of a Canopy 2400 BH 10mb asap. Any one in the Flagstaff, AZ or Hurricane, UT area that might have one. Cannot get one shipped in time for the tomorrow AM. Please contact me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 630.445.3779 Thanks in advance. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rackmount PoE
Does anyone have any recommendations for rackmounted PoE injectors? I was looking at a Panduit PoE injecting 24 port patch panel, but I imagine that'll cost an arm and a leg. I'm not sure how many I'll need, but I'm guessing around 30. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
WOW! Marlon, hire David, He gets results, fast ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hi David, A couple of responses :) > I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very > least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. > > Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, > instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) > If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to > adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, ? Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to > head up that effort? I can certainly try to coordinate people, but I'm nowhere near qualified to run the show. I can take names with the best of 'em, though. (Anyone interested in contributing to a hypothetical "wireless MIB standardization project," please contact me OFF-LIST, and I'll see if we have enough brains to make it happen.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Hi David, A couple of responses :) > I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very > least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. > > Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, > instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) > If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to > adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to head up that effort? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > >> One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP >> address >> for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, >> Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and >> the >> list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box >> passwords. >> It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were >> standardized! > > I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very > least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. > > Trango gear doesn't use the "standard" MIBs for interface traffic, for > instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph > throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave > doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, > instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes > some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it > (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone > that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic > counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost > everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same > things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of > associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or "average" SNR. > > If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to > adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
So far the unit has been connected for 16 hours. The Tranzeos have made it for a whole 19 hours! We'll see if the Deliberant makes it past the point that the Tranzeo's all drop off. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Caleb Knauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "Deliberant Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Hey Marlon, > > I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your > questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of > confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on > our part. > > Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE > offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, > but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant > and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The > first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the > updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different > stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. > > VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is > with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and > the stickers should be here soon. > > We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the > support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the > trickiest! > > The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open > 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. > > We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much > faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are > interested. > > RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between > received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of > 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. > We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status > page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you > can see the levels there as well. > > Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info > offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we > can troubleshoot. > > When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will > allow you to port forward. > > Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a > ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the > feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in > improving our products. > > Thanks, > Caleb > > === > Caleb Knauer > Deliberant LLC > > 800.742.9865 x 206 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.deliberant.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > > Hi All, > > I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's > the > same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still > at > the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. > > First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that > said > LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the > stickers > matched. > > Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being > all > stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. > > Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done > them > before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first > time > I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. > > No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't > find > it. > > The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. > > I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home > office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the > disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, > pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this > location > worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP > anymore > (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). > > This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random > signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of > troubleshooting. > > Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect > but I > couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address > for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, > Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the > list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. > It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Trango gear doesn't use the "standard" MIBs for interface traffic, for instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or "average" SNR. If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000
Total of 20MHz from what I understand -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi guys, Thanks for your feedback. I understand the Radwin 2000 is in beta right now, and that the pricing is going to be <$5k per link when it hits the market. I'm still trying to find out whether the 50Mbps is w/ 20MHz or 40MHz channels. The company (which is Israeli) apparently is very strong in the non-US market and is looking to increase market share in the US. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 >I haven't looked at their new product yet. > But their older ptp product was very nice. > I had used one once, although I ended up favoring the Trango Atlas, for > most > of my PTP installs. > One of the reasons was that RADWINs speed was overstated, as many CDMA/CA > chipset type products did that "emulated" TDD and FDX. > Trango's TDD HDX was more felxible, and gave a more consistent better > delivery of more real throughput per Mhz. (But it is limited to 45mbps > HDX) > > Its interesting to see a 50mbps FDX product, if it really delivers that, > spectral efficiently. > What was the price point on that? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:32 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 > > >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? >> >> I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz >> point-to-point links in the US in November. >> >> The price is very attractive. >> >> My main concern is performance & reliability. We can test the performance >> within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to >> have >> the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a >> critical < 2 mi. link. >> >> Thanks, >> Adam >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Cool. I've seen this happen over and over. Anyone remember how great Teletronics was back in the early days? Then there was SmartBridges, no Tranzeo. We're about due for a new company that's more focused on keeping us running well. (speaking of the Tranzeo/MT issues.) Stirring the pot, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Marlon, > > I have not used the units shipping from Deliberent yet, just the ones > previously shipped from the Ligowave side, so not sure what firmware > changes > yours has. > It is clear that Deliberent/Ligowave is making a transition on how they > are > aligning their product lines. > > But one thing I can tell you for sure is, Ligowave/Deliberent has an > EXCELLENT support team. If something is not working as it should, they > are > usually willing to look at your config file, if you Email it to them, to > either identify any errors with config, whether it was a code bug or > misconfig. And if a code bug, they usually have it fixed ASAP. > I can also tell you their hardware has been rock solid, down to the > pigtail, > for us. > > As for the slow software problem yes, its a big problem. Not so much > for > configuring, but when your customers are down and troubleshooting under > fire.. :-( > It would have been the death of the product, if it wasn't addressed. But > from what I hear the new Flex backend under Beta is the answer. > Unfortunately, still software in development. But I'm eager to see what > they > come up with. There are so many upsides to this company. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > > >> Hey Marlon, >> >> Is it safe to say that you have some issues with this unit??? >> >> :-P >> >> Hope all is well >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's >>> the >>> same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still >>> at >>> the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. >>> >>> First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that >>> said >>> LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the >>> stickers >>> matched. >>> >>> Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being >>> all >>> stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. >>> >>> Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done >>> them >>> before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first >>> time >>> I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. >>> >>> No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't >>> find >>> it. >>> >>> The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. >>> >>> I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home >>> office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the >>> disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, >>> pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this >>> location >>> worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP >>> anymore >>> (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). >>> >>> This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random >>> signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of >>> troubleshooting. >>> >>> Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect >>> but I >>> couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start >>> but >>> not load. In router mode it works fine. >>> >>> Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but >>> without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get >>> used. >>> >>> The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none >>> needed >>> (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). >>> >>> Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the >>> original >>> Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. >>> >>> Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the >>> customer. >>> >>> laters, >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WIS
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere. I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant) for a number of years. I have always been able to call him when I have an issue with a radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he always calls me back. Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten returned calls from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of this. I haven't found any company that has better customer service than Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from other companies, but it takes days for resolving an issue with the equipment. I do not have the time or patience for slow technical support. Or find out that I have to go further up the totum pole to get the next tier support. With Caleb...the buck stops with him. Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements. I am not telling you anything you do not already know if you have any history with this company. DSLbyAir, LLC --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Caleb Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "Deliberant Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM > Hey Marlon, > > I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer > your > questions and make some things clearer, as there are some > points of > confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going > forward) on > our part. > > Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally > our new CPE > offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of > the house, > but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff > to Deliberant > and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) > solutions. The > first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers > as the > updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the > different > stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. > > > VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are > correct. HPOL is > with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). > Confusing, yes, and > the stickers should be here soon. > > We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector > and the > support number to the quick start guide. The first one is > always the > trickiest! > > The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and > it is open > 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. > > We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend > that is much > faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if > you are > interested. > > RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the > difference between > received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an > RSSI value of > 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are > receiving. > We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to > the Status > page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the > Tools page you > can see the levels there as well. > > Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me > your IP info > offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, > etc) and we > can troubleshoot. > > When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear > that will > allow you to port forward. > > Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or > give me a > ring at my number and extension in my signature. We > appreciate the > feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) > assistance in > improving our products. > > Thanks, > Caleb > > === > Caleb Knauer > Deliberant LLC > > 800.742.9865 x 206 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.deliberant.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > > Hi All, > > I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone > know if it's > the > same company) I'm tossing out my very first > thoughts as I'm still > at > the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll > get. > > First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a > radio that > said > LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice > if the > stickers > matched. > > Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of > vertical being > all > stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. > > Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector > together. I've done > them > before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, > but my first > time > I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. > > No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's > there I couldn't > find > it. > > The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the > hourly wage guy. > > I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and > VoIP out of a home > offi
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
LOL We'll see. None of this is mission critical. But I promised feedback so there it is! On the one hand I love playing with new gear. Figuring things out etc. On the other hand, I've got too many customers out there now. I need gear that just works, intuitively, right out of the box. One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! Things are picking up again. 4 more installs to do this week (pretty good for how rural we are) and it's only Tuesday! I keep thinking we're going to saturate the market and things will slow down a bit. When that finally happens we should be able to make some money. These $1000++ fuel bills are no fun. Not for a one man shop! How are things out east? We don't hear much from you these days! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave > Hey Marlon, > > Is it safe to say that you have some issues with this unit??? > > :-P > > Hope all is well > > -B- > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's >> the >> same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at >> the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. >> >> First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that >> said >> LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers >> matched. >> >> Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being >> all >> stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. >> >> Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done >> them >> before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first >> time >> I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. >> >> No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't >> find >> it. >> >> The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. >> >> I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home >> office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the >> disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, >> pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this >> location >> worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP >> anymore >> (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). >> >> This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random >> signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of >> troubleshooting. >> >> Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect >> but I >> couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but >> not load. In router mode it works fine. >> >> Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but >> without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get >> used. >> >> The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none >> needed >> (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). >> >> Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the original >> Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. >> >> Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the >> customer. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --
Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000
Hi guys, Thanks for your feedback. I understand the Radwin 2000 is in beta right now, and that the pricing is going to be <$5k per link when it hits the market. I'm still trying to find out whether the 50Mbps is w/ 20MHz or 40MHz channels. The company (which is Israeli) apparently is very strong in the non-US market and is looking to increase market share in the US. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 >I haven't looked at their new product yet. > But their older ptp product was very nice. > I had used one once, although I ended up favoring the Trango Atlas, for > most > of my PTP installs. > One of the reasons was that RADWINs speed was overstated, as many CDMA/CA > chipset type products did that "emulated" TDD and FDX. > Trango's TDD HDX was more felxible, and gave a more consistent better > delivery of more real throughput per Mhz. (But it is limited to 45mbps > HDX) > > Its interesting to see a 50mbps FDX product, if it really delivers that, > spectral efficiently. > What was the price point on that? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:32 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 > > >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? >> >> I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz >> point-to-point links in the US in November. >> >> The price is very attractive. >> >> My main concern is performance & reliability. We can test the performance >> within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to >> have >> the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a >> critical < 2 mi. link. >> >> Thanks, >> Adam >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
