Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

2008-12-23 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the
latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag
bouncing.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -

https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=10
7ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO
=J2537830143BANNERID=

Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
source.  Thanks!

`S




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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

2008-12-23 Thread John McDowell
What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.comwrote:

 Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
 the
 latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
 harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
 bag
 bouncing.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 cprof...@cv-access.com
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

 Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
 long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -


 https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=10

 7ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO
 =J2537830143BANNERID=https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=107ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO=J2537830143BANNERID=

 Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
 source.  Thanks!

 `S



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

2008-12-23 Thread lakeland
You are lifting guys with rope and you are looking for the lowest price?

You are lifting them with a man rated hoist right?  Because it is the only 
federally approved method regardless of what type of safety backups you put in 
place.

You are leaving yourself and your company really exposed legally. Not to say 
the least what you are exposing your guys to.

A 500' climb is no bif deal to anyone who climbs. Even my fat ass can do that 
in 30 minutes or so.

Don't take shortcuts

Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:46:09 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope


Well we need a continuous 1200' without knots and we do use it for lifting 
climbers - but only when accompanied by a wire rope grab - don't do any of that 
time saving stuff unless there's a trusted safety.  (:

I think that link is probably a fair price for the 1/2 real stuff.

Thanks,
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:31 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the
latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag
bouncing.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -

https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=10
7ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO
=J2537830143BANNERID=

Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
source.  Thanks!

`S




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[WISPA] FW: Kernmantle Rope

2008-12-23 Thread Dustin Jurman
But you need to go with what your safety device states to ward off any
liability. 

Certified slings usually carries a nice variety of rope up to 2000 feet and
safety devices.   

http://www.certifiedslings.com/home.php4

Be Safe! 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO
cprof...@cv-access.comwrote:

 Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
 the
 latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place,
maybe
 harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
 bag
 bouncing.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 cprof...@cv-access.com
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

 Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
 long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -



https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=10


7ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO

=J2537830143BANNERID=https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WE
BDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=107ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITE
M.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO=J2537830143BANNERID=

 Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a
better
 source.  Thanks!

 `S





 
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[WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread John McDowell
We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of
his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
If the Doctor isn't encrypting medical-related data with SSL or VPN before 
it leaves HIS network, he's violating the HIPAA guidelines.  How often does 
a doctor use a public wi-fi network to check on charts  labs from the 
hospital via a website?  The SSL is what makes it compliant, now if you're 
talking about point to point (office to office) he may want to get a VPN 
router.

- Original Message - 
From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com
To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?


 We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP 
 on
 the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

 Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security 
 of
 his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you 
 guys
 do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
 comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

 Thanks in advance.

 -- 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 j...@boonlink.com
 www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Create a tunnel back to your NOC.  done! 

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John McDowell wrote:
 We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
 the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

 Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of
 his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
 do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
 comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

 Thanks in advance.

   



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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Delp
John,

If he is connecting to one of his other offices or providers inside of your
network, then you can set up some tunnels to encrypt his data.  If he is
connecting to someone outside of your network, then he has a tunnel from his
endpoint to the other endpoint, and it is encrypted across your network and
also across the Internet.  If he has no Tunnel, then he is in Violation of
HIPAA.  If he has a tunnel, then he does not need any encryption from your
network.  You can transport his tunnel just like the rest of the Internet.
The Internet is not encrypted, and if he is relying on you providing
encryption to the Internet, then he is exposed once he leaves your network.

The Internet is routed, and you can get to any working IP address across the
entire network of networks.  There is no bridging on the Internet.  That is
how your local routed network is accessible.



On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:

 We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
 the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

 Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security
 of
 his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
 do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
 comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

 Thanks in advance.

 --
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 j...@boonlink.com
 www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread Scott Reed
I believe that HIPPA puts the responsibility on the Dr., not on the 
carrier.  You, the carrier, do not have to do anything to carry his 
data.  This was discussed about 1 year ago on one of the lists and the 
last I heard, this was the agreement.

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
 If the Doctor isn't encrypting medical-related data with SSL or VPN before 
 it leaves HIS network, he's violating the HIPAA guidelines.  How often does 
 a doctor use a public wi-fi network to check on charts  labs from the 
 hospital via a website?  The SSL is what makes it compliant, now if you're 
 talking about point to point (office to office) he may want to get a VPN 
 router.

 - Original Message - 
 From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List 
 wireless@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:15 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?


   
 We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP 
 on
 the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

 Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security 
 of
 his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you 
 guys
 do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
 comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

 Thanks in advance.

 -- 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 j...@boonlink.com
 www.boonlink.com






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[WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

2008-12-23 Thread Gino Villarini
is there a way to set the management inband?
 

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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

2008-12-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes. The newer firmwares have inband management support. However, you need a 
VLAN aware device to make the connection, as Inband management requires a 
VLAN assignment.

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 is there a way to set the management inband?


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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

2008-12-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
You need the latest firmware release... then you can do it

Daniel White
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 is there a way to set the management inband?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

2008-12-23 Thread Brad Belton
Yes, but we've never used it before.  YMMV...

Type ibm to determine In Band Management status.



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[WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

2008-12-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.

 

Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these things,
or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?

 

Thanks for the help in advance!

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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

2008-12-23 Thread jp
I'd suggest a class.

We don't put connectors on or do ends. I've taken a class on it, and 
it's tedious. 

We chop a pre-made and pretested patch cord in half and splice it to 
the ends of the cable run. This requires a fusion splicer and 
heat shrink sleeves, wipes, cleaver, and a couple different strippers.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 01:26:18PM -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote:
 Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
 will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
 
  
 
 Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
 what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these things,
 or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
 
  
 
 Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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 3-dB Networks
 
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

2008-12-23 Thread reader
Some general rules we followed, when setting up a doctor's office with a 
remote access setup...

1.  Physical security - all machines behind locked doors.   No monitors 
visible from any public area.   No routers, switches, or ethernet plugs in 
unlocked or insecure areas.
2.  Network security - We did single IP NAT at his office.  He wanted to 
tunnel to home, so we set up a tunnel to his home, but it only works on his 
specific laptop.   He abandoned this, decided to not work at home :)
3.  Data security - this they were lacking..  He now transports his data on 
files that are zipped with a password, on a thumbdrive that's encrypted with 
a password, and his laptop requires biometric authentication to run.

Further, we explained to him that emails between offices were fine... IF 
encrypted.  So, now they zip and password the communication files they email 
to each other.Images, etc, the same.

If you wish to share data between ANY two points, secure tunnels are not 
necessary, but the data itself should be secured no matter what else you do. 
No communication on the internet should be considered non interceptable, 
therefore security starts with encrypting data right at the source.

The HIPAA rules seem complex, but I found some medical consultant sites that 
broke it down a little more and it's not all that complex, if you start with 
the idea that the data itself should be encrypted ,and the network itself 
should be physically isolated and secured.We ran ethernet out to the 
wireless cpe outside, but it does double nat with a router inside so even 
that segment is isolated from the inside network.

Now, this was a very simplistic setup, to be sure, but the philosphy works 
when scaled up and meets every aspect of HIPAA's requirements.






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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

2008-12-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That might 
not be the exact name)

It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do it. It 
is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an 
error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez crimp 
not completing successfully and cleanly.

There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor 
deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an FC 
connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical outdoor 
environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for 
transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed 
outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout 
termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a extreme 
temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC, SC, 
ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to 
outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.

For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To do 
the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning tools. 
The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there is 
a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the connector 
types.

We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are 25% 
less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends on 
the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is more 
common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


 Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
 will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.



 Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
 what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these 
 things,
 or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?



 Thanks for the help in advance!

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 3-dB Networks





 
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

2008-12-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
OOPs, yes, UNICAM is the correct name.

PS. Ez Crimp is that Coax crimp system. Which by the way we are now using, 
thanks to this list, and it works great!

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


 Unicam. ?
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net

 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:58
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


 I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That 
 might
 not be the exact name)

 It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do it. 
 It
 is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an
 error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez crimp
 not completing successfully and cleanly.

 There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor
 deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an 
 FC
 connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical 
 outdoor
 environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for
 transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed
 outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout
 termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a 
 extreme
 temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC, SC,
 ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to
 outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.

 For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To do
 the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning 
 tools.
 The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there 
 is
 a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the 
 connector
 types.

 We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are 25%
 less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends 
 on
 the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is 
 more
 common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


 Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
 will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.



 Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations 
 on
 what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these
 things,
 or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?



 Thanks for the help in advance!

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks





 
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

2008-12-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
Thank you for your input Tom

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:22 PM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
 
 OOPs, yes, UNICAM is the correct name.
 
 PS. Ez Crimp is that Coax crimp system. Which by the way we are now
 using,
 thanks to this list, and it works great!
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
 
 
  Unicam. ?
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 
  Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:58
  To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
 
 
  I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That
  might
  not be the exact name)
 
  It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do
 it.
  It
  is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an
  error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez
 crimp
  not completing successfully and cleanly.
 
  There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor
  deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an
  FC
  connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical
  outdoor
  environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for
  transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed
  outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout
  termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a
  extreme
  temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC,
 SC,
  ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to
  outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.
 
  For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To
 do
  the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning
  tools.
  The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there
  is
  a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the
  connector
  types.
 
  We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are
 25%
  less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends
  on
  the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is
  more
  common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
 
 
  Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a
 job.
  will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
 
 
 
  Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations
  on
  what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these
  things,
  or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
 
 
 
  Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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  3-dB Networks
 
 
 
 
 
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[WISPA] Sky Pilot question

2008-12-23 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Has anybody on the list deployed these? 
Has anybody flashed the ubiquity units to these?
SkyGateway Series
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Re: [WISPA] Sky Pilot question

2008-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman
I've been told they're not that great, very expensive and ridiculously
simple setup (easy but insecure) by a couple of people.

I have no direct experience because of this, though.

On 12/23/08, CHUCK  PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com wrote:
 Has anybody on the list deployed these?
 Has anybody flashed the ubiquity units to these?
 SkyGateway Series
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Re: [WISPA] Sky Pilot question

2008-12-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
My opinion differs. I think they are a really neat design. They enable the 
use of higher power, due to the higher (7db) rules for Smart antennas.
I think they killed their viabilty for me, when they doubled their price, 
after I already thought their price was to expensive by a factor of 2x-3x.
Only verticle pol, to take advantge of their smart antenna.

I have never tested compatibilty with Ubiquiti though. I do not know if that 
works or not.

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 I've been told they're not that great, very expensive and ridiculously
 simple setup (easy but insecure) by a couple of people.

 I have no direct experience because of this, though.

 On 12/23/08, CHUCK  PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com wrote:
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 SkyGateway Series
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[WISPA] A New WISPA Vice-President Has Been Elected

2008-12-23 Thread Jack Unger
WISPA's Officers (President, Vice-President, Secretary and Treasurer) 
are selected each year by the WISPA Board from currently serving Board 
members. WISPA has been without a Vice President for the last few months.

At the December 11th Board meeting, the Board acted to elect a new 
Vice-President. Three Directors (Tom DeReggi, Mac Dearman and Butch 
Evans) were nominated and all agreed to serve if elected. Each received 
three votes during the first round of balloting. After the three-way 
tie, all three were asked to submit a statement to the Board describing 
why they wished to serve as Vice-President. Prior to the second round of 
voting Mac Dearman chose to endorse one of the other two candidates, 
effectively making the election a two-person race.

A second round of online voting was held on December 22nd and 23rd. 
Butch Evans received 4 votes and Tom DeReggi received 5 votes. Please 
congratulate Tom on his new position as WISPA Vice-President and wish 
him well as he steps up to the plate to help lighten the workload of 
WISPA President Rick Harnish and the other WISPA Directors.

Congratulations to all and thank you to all three of these gentlemen for 
the volunteer work that they do for WISPA members.


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