Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble
IMAIL 10 FAQ http://tinyurl.com/8ytj4b A) First make sure that your server meets the system requirements for the new version of IMail. For instance, it would be a good idea to make sure IIS is up and running with at least the default site. Also, make sure that IIS is configured to use .Net 2.0. B) Get a backup of the IMail registry keys as outlined in the following article: Backup/Restore the IMail Registry C) Install the latest version of IMail. D) If you use AV Premium, be sure to install the latest version(5.2). Note: Since we now use IIS, your web pages may be blocked if you used the old port 8383. You can change the IIS web port within IIS if you want to use port 8383 instead of port 80. Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble We upgraded our Imail server this morning from version 8.15 to the latest release of Imail version 10. In the process our web interface has decided to ignore our mailboxes. If anyone out there has some experience with troubleshooting mailbox rebuilding issues in Imail then please call me at 618-237-2387 as soon as you read this. Your help is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ptp400 5.8ghz bandwidth adjustment
Yes, you have an option through the setup wizard on the master side for Link Symmetry Options are, Symmetric Data Rate (1 to 1) Asymmetric Data Rate (2 to 1) Dustin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ptp400 5.8ghz bandwidth adjustment I have a ptp400, that is a full link and am able to get 19.80mb/s each way. Is there a way to adjust throuput from the master to the slave, like there is in an ap/sm setup? My goal would be to get it 25-30 down to the slave and 15-10 from slave to master. Thanks for any help on this. Alan Long Aerowire, LLC 687 North Dean Rd. Auburn, AL 36830 Phone: 334-275-9998 www.aerowire.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
The TerraWave antenna looks exactly like the PacWireless model. Perhaps it is manufactured in the same place in China, but is sold under a different brand name? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Tom DeReggi wrote: Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with theft you can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a security screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly to lock it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably consider another location. With weather being a concern you could always install a second parallel link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link fails the other could be engaged to carry the traffic. I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) without 4' antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 Ghz. you are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per antenna with mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and installation. I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service facility is in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is only $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing some growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is serviced overseas unless it is an interface or something simple. Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to leave your name with a service and they call you back. I have installed more than 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 failures. There are other options but history, price or delivery will kill them as an option. And stay away from equipment that does
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
Matt, Yes, it looks similar. I as well guess that Terrawave might be OEMing them. But... Note: We have had good experience with PacWireless Omnis. But most all the PAcwireless units are spec's as narrow band (5.3 or 5.8, not 5.1-5.8). This does not mean that the PacWireless units can't do wide band, because we had ran 5.3 over 5.8 Pacwireless Omnis just fine. But at what db loss? There is a certain peice of mind in buying an antenna that has a sticker on it, and a spec sheet included with it, that states it is tested and certified at 5.1-5.8 wideband, if it is to be used for Wideband applications. The Terrawave gives me that peice of mind, (for FCC compliance). The Terrawave is a bit more expensive though. I'll add that we have also been using the Terrawave verticle sector panels with good success. They as well come in Wideband models, and are very streamlined in size. In today's world of Atheros chipsets that support rangle 5.1-5.8, I want antennas that are spec'd at wide band. I do not understand why PacWireless is not doing this yet, on most of their models. Atleast providing antenna plots on how they differ/perform being used at the other nearby narrowband freqs. I'd argue the same for Superpass. Superpass has a unique technology with 3 or 4 patents, that enable them to take omnis, and scale them to sectors, at the very smallest footprint. But again, they are mostly spec's at narrow band. Not sure why they are not providing/listing wideband specs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? The TerraWave antenna looks exactly like the PacWireless model. Perhaps it is manufactured in the same place in China, but is sold under a different brand name? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Tom DeReggi wrote: Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] New WISPA Members Announced
Dennis Burgess, Steve Coran and myself attended Animal Farm last week. I would like to thank Chuck McGown and the staff of Wireless Beehive for producing a very well run show. I would like to announce the following new members that joined at Animal Farm. Motorola also joined as a Vendor Member which was formally announced at this show. Thanks to all new members for showing their support of WISPA and the future of our industry. There are 18 new principal members and one vendor member. Applicant Name: David Cleveland Applicant Company: DMCI Broadband, LLC. Applicant Name: Ronny Doran Applicant Company: Newsource Broadband Applicant Name: Mike Greenfield Applicant Company: Wireless Technology Solutions Applicant Name: Nate Burke Applicant Company: Blast Communications Applicant Name: Adam Brodel Applicant Company: SmarterBroadband Applicant Name: Tushar Patel Applicant Company: ECPI Applicant Name: Paul Conlin Applicant Company: Blaze Broadband Applicant Name: Brad Neibaur Applicant Company: Safelink Internet Applicant Name: Warren King Applicant Company: Meritel Group Inc. Applicant Name: David Blood Applicant Company: SpeedyQuick Applicant Name: Brandon Jolley Applicant Company: Directcommunication Applicant Name: Pete Davis Applicant Company: Davis Voice Data Applicant Name: Dave Wainwright Applicant Company: PCI Broadband Applicant Name: Cliff Olle Applicant Company: Eccentrix Wireless Applicant Name: John MacDonald Applicant Company: Public Utility District No. 1 of Okanogan County Applicant Name: Elmer Sterrett Applicant Company: Ezznet, Inc. Applicant Name: Douglas Clark Applicant Company: A1 TXOX Communications Respectively, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked
I just found one more new member, bringing the total to 19! Applicant Name: David McBride Applicant Company: SkyWire Communications Please go to http://signup.wispa.org if you have not yet joined WISPA. Respectively, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
Tom, Are you the one behind http://www.tomshardware.com? I elect you Grand Poobah of wireless hardware - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Poobah :) All kidding aside, I find your post to be most descriptive and informative. I most truly appreciate it! -RickG On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
Thanks man. PS. I am not affiliated with Tom's hardware, but I have respected him since my earliest PC days. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? Tom, Are you the one behind http://www.tomshardware.com? I elect you Grand Poobah of wireless hardware - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Poobah :) All kidding aside, I find your post to be most descriptive and informative. I most truly appreciate it! -RickG On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango Question
I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
I have heard this a few times myself... although from what I heard it was mostly their point to multipoint product engineers. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:33 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked
Rick Harnish wrote: I just found one more new member, bringing the total to 19! I thought they weren't members until they actually paid? (I know this sounds like a smart-ass remark, but the distinction may be relevant in the future. If there were an election next week, say, they wouldn't be eligible to vote in it, would they?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
John, as you know we also heard this rumor some time ago and brought it to your attention. It'll be interesting if it's the same source. You know you're making an impact when the competition stoops to a level like this. Keep up the good work! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
Umm. Coming from a competitor, I would not trust that comment. I have no knowledge of what engineering staff Trango has or hasn't recently let go. I know that the typical people that I deal with at Trango are still there, and have been there for years. I will say, Trango has always made their employees justify their worth, and does not keep them around, if they do not deliver results as required by their job description. Savy mangement is one of the things that allows a manufacturer to deliver cost effective products that work. Its very feasible that staff could have been retired that were not relevent to their current vision and direction. Employees come and go, in any company. Its also no secret that Trango is not further developing their PtMP line, (it is already at a mature state, and is what it is.), and focusing on higher revenue Licensed PtP. What I will say is Trango is positioned to succeed long term because they own their complete manufacturing cycle. From the manufacturing plant to the far end sales process. I would also say that whether people admit it or not, the country is currently in a depression, or at minimum recession, and it would be normal, and advisable for manufacturers to cut back. For example, if you look at Dragonwave's website at Jan press releases, you'll see that they just laid off significant staff. But I in no way would doubt Dragonwave's ability to succeed. Just like I do not doubt Trango's position to succeed. My personal opinion is to look at who has a substantial base already, and it is likely that these companies will have a higher chance of longevity to get them through economic tough times. Trango for example, has a huge install base of WISPs using their DSSS 5830 series, a unique product, and still a huge need for buying gear, to support their inplace networks. Enough to support Trango's existence, even if their Licensed gear line didn't sell. Although, their licensed line is selling with great success. Although this is not a clear answer to your question, and my personal opinion, I will say Trango and Dragonwave are the two technology companies that I feel truly understand our industry, and where it is heading. They both get it. And they are both positioned pretty well to stay in the game long term. For the first time in recent history, Service Providers have a hard choice in produuct lines. Both products and companies have so much to offer, and they are both so very capable. As a result, true competition is now here. And it appears on occasion, the gloves may come off. But what surely is comming off is profit margin for the manufactures, as the Price wars continue to hit street, and benefits us as buyers. The success of Trango and Dragonwave is no longer on their own shoulders. It is now a case of whether Service providers will scale their networks and start increasing their buying patterns. Where as the the country is in recession, the broadband industry apears to be growing, as does the need for it. What I am very please about, is that these two fine companies ahve stepped forward to deliver us the products that we need, so that our industry can succeed, in these very competitive times. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Wallace Walcher wall...@airosurf.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked
Officially you are correct. However, after visiting face to face with these applicants at Animal Farm, I tend to trust that they will make good on their commitment to join WISPA. Respectfully, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked Rick Harnish wrote: I just found one more new member, bringing the total to 19! I thought they weren't members until they actually paid? (I know this sounds like a smart-ass remark, but the distinction may be relevant in the future. If there were an election next week, say, they wouldn't be eligible to vote in it, would they?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with theft you can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a security screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly to lock it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably consider another location. With weather being a concern you could always install a second parallel link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link fails the other could be engaged to carry the traffic. I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) without 4' antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 Ghz. you are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per antenna with mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and installation. I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service facility is in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is only $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing some growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is serviced overseas unless it is an interface or something
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
I'd like to point out that my comment comes from some things I heard probably 6 months or so ago... Guess its one of those rumors that won't die :-) I'd also be interested who said it... interesting that someone feels that they need to say something like that to win your business. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question John, as you know we also heard this rumor some time ago and brought it to your attention. It'll be interesting if it's the same source. You know you're making an impact when the competition stoops to a level like this. Keep up the good work! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked
Or shame them in to joining. Whatever works. LOL Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@greatamericanbroadband.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:46:33 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked Officially you are correct. However, after visiting face to face with these applicants at Animal Farm, I tend to trust that they will make good on their commitment to join WISPA. Respectfully, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Additional New Member Overlooked Rick Harnish wrote: I just found one more new member, bringing the total to 19! I thought they weren't members until they actually paid? (I know this sounds like a smart-ass remark, but the distinction may be relevant in the future. If there were an election next week, say, they wouldn't be eligible to vote in it, would they?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Xohm CPE at Newegg
I was browsing around Newegg over the weekend and ran across this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825184001 XOHM Modem by ZyXEL - $75 Is that pricing typical for 2.5GHz Wimax CPE? Is it locked down for use with XOHM? thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
I replied back to John offlist with the basic source. I am glad to know it is not true. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, John Seaman j...@trangosys.com wrote: This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground with a
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) Use the side lobes Luke. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ashes?
Hi Jason, no experience with that but we have 5Ghz antennas covered with many different hum.. outdoor disgusting thing and it still works fine. So, unless the ashes are mixed with iron or E.M. metal, I think it would not change much. Just my 2 cents. Anyone have experience with 2.4 gear getting coated with ashes? Really fine coal ashes from a power plant? Does it harm signal RSSI, etc? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ashes?
You're refering to Fly Ash. Be careful inhaling that stuff, it can cause some serious problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash -Chad On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Jason supp...@azii.net wrote: Anyone have experience with 2.4 gear getting coated with ashes? Really fine coal ashes from a power plant? Does it harm signal RSSI, etc? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
With MT clients, yes this is possible. If you have a simple subnet you can do PCQ as well in in your queues if you wish too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your wireless interface properties. If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the AP Tx(client download) speeds. If you add the customers to the access list you can override these default settings. -Gerard Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU. -Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your wireless interface properties. If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the AP Tx(client download) speeds. If you add the customers to the access list you can override these default settings. -Gerard Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
then down yes, up no. The Nanos, you can use pCQ to do a default rate limit. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Cameron Kilton wrote: We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU. -Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your wireless interface properties. If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the AP Tx(client download) speeds. If you add the customers to the access list you can override these default settings. -Gerard Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
Thanks Brad! I guess the rumor mill is running out of new rumors so they are recycling some old ones. As I mentioned, our engineering resources are well intact. In fact for anyone interested, I would like to make an invitation to come see for yourself and visit us at our facilities in the San Diego area. We love to give factory tours. We do offer free training on-site here on the last Thursday of each month, and a training day would be an excellent time for a visit (especially if you want to escape the cold weather this winter). Training covers all aspects of deployment and operation of TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX products. Anyone interested in training please let me know off-list. Also - I wanted to make a correction to my earlier posting. As somebody pointed out to me - the original statement from the reseller was not slanderous.. it's libel! (I admit I had to look up the definitions) John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question John, as you know we also heard this rumor some time ago and brought it to your attention. It'll be interesting if it's the same source. You know you're making an impact when the competition stoops to a level like this. Keep up the good work! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Daniel So for a Duo link, I need what kind of license? Channel size? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Dragonwave can pull off up to 1.6Gpbs... but that isn't line speed I don't think. Anyways the attached pdf explains it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Channel size depends on the band... but you need whatever the largest channel size is. Then you need four licenses basically... V pol and H pol with two different frequencies. As I said Bridgewave is a much cheaper solution... but depending on what you need the Dragonwave solution might be more attractive. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Daniel So for a Duo link, I need what kind of license? Channel size? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Dragonwave can pull off up to 1.6Gpbs... but that isn't line speed I don't think. Anyways the attached pdf explains it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Charles, Thanks for the clarification on no ptmp. However, it should be noted that 24Ghz PtMP does exist, via other product lines. My understanding is that XO currently does it here in DC, at one of our cell sites. I can't remember what gear they use to accomplish it. (maybe Hughes?) I do not know if this is with Unlicensed, or with the other geographic licensed 24Ghz bands. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? 1. Dragonwave WILL NOT work in PtMP in the sense you're talking about (e.g., as things currently stand, radios associate on a 1:1 basis -- now, you could disconnect and reconnect to different radios, but that wouldn't exactly be considered real-time PtMP switching) 2. Off the top of my head, I'm not exactly sure about 24 GHz, but Part 15 STIPULATES minimum antenna beamwidths for licensing (hence the 6' dish for 6 GHz, 2' for 18 GHz, etc) 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? While on topic... I was reading on Dragonwave's group authentication. Apparently it allows multiple to Radios to connect togeather, with Group authentication. Infering that the technology could be used for PtMP installations. What first came to mind was using unlicensed 24Ghz, to get 100-300mbps PtMP for connecting short proximity located Commercial buildings. Can anyone confirm that the Dragonwave will work in PtMP. (apposed to just connecting a failover radio) If so How is the protocol accomplished? I thought Dragonwave was TDD based instead of CDMA? Is that not the case? Obviously, beamwidth is narrow on 24Ghz (1.5 degree on a 2ft dish), but it would not be for very short distances, with a panel. Again, this would be very short distances, considering the rain fade and low power requirements of 24Ghz. And as well, in 23Ghz and 18Ghz, is there any rules that prevent PtMP, if it was a narrow beam PtMP system, (for example 3 radio system) as long as all three radios get considered in the Freq Coordination study? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
24 ghz? Maybe 28 Ghz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Charles, Thanks for the clarification on no ptmp. However, it should be noted that 24Ghz PtMP does exist, via other product lines. My understanding is that XO currently does it here in DC, at one of our cell sites. I can't remember what gear they use to accomplish it. (maybe Hughes?) I do not know if this is with Unlicensed, or with the other geographic licensed 24Ghz bands. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? 1. Dragonwave WILL NOT work in PtMP in the sense you're talking about (e.g., as things currently stand, radios associate on a 1:1 basis -- now, you could disconnect and reconnect to different radios, but that wouldn't exactly be considered real-time PtMP switching) 2. Off the top of my head, I'm not exactly sure about 24 GHz, but Part 15 STIPULATES minimum antenna beamwidths for licensing (hence the 6' dish for 6 GHz, 2' for 18 GHz, etc) 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? While on topic... I was reading on Dragonwave's group authentication. Apparently it allows multiple to Radios to connect togeather, with Group authentication. Infering that the technology could be used for PtMP installations. What first came to mind was using unlicensed 24Ghz, to get 100-300mbps PtMP for connecting short proximity located Commercial buildings. Can anyone confirm that the Dragonwave will work in PtMP. (apposed to just connecting a failover radio) If so How is the protocol accomplished? I thought Dragonwave was TDD based instead of CDMA? Is that not the case? Obviously, beamwidth is narrow on 24Ghz (1.5 degree on a 2ft dish), but it would not be for very short distances, with a panel. Again, this would be very short distances, considering the rain fade and low power requirements of 24Ghz. And as well, in 23Ghz and 18Ghz, is there any rules that prevent PtMP, if it was a narrow beam PtMP system, (for example 3 radio system) as long as all three radios get considered in the Freq Coordination study? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Good point Matt. My original comment/thoughts were not to bypass licensing requirements per link.(meaning in PtMP, with 2 CPEs and one shared radio, it would require two path analysises). It was to minimize interference, and colocation fees, when installing multiple links to several Customer buildings located right next to each other. In an example from this week, We had 3 remote buildings all within a 5 degree beamwidth from the tower site, at about 1.5 miles each. Side lobe connection would have been fine, based on short distance, possible even with a 1 ft dish at 23Ghz. The question was really several part.. 1. The technical feasibilty of the FCC rules 2. The technical feasability of spectrum characteristics. 3. Whether Dragonwave hardware, could support the application. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) Use the side lobes Luke. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
If it matters any I know Exalt has played around with reusing 6GHz licenses since I guess they cover a pretty wide area... the gear is now much better than the rules are. I don't recall all of the details except that if you had once license you could be able to sneak another link in using the same exact frequencies... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good point Matt. My original comment/thoughts were not to bypass licensing requirements per link.(meaning in PtMP, with 2 CPEs and one shared radio, it would require two path analysises). It was to minimize interference, and colocation fees, when installing multiple links to several Customer buildings located right next to each other. In an example from this week, We had 3 remote buildings all within a 5 degree beamwidth from the tower site, at about 1.5 miles each. Side lobe connection would have been fine, based on short distance, possible even with a 1 ft dish at 23Ghz. The question was really several part.. 1. The technical feasibilty of the FCC rules 2. The technical feasability of spectrum characteristics. 3. Whether Dragonwave hardware, could support the application. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) Use the side lobes Luke. -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
24GHz was setup specifically for PtP. However, I'd like to see 60GHz have a PtMP product. I understand the range would be limited, but it would give a lot of bandwidth in that short range. Great for office parks. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: If it matters any I know Exalt has played around with reusing 6GHz licenses since I guess they cover a pretty wide area... the gear is now much better than the rules are. I don't recall all of the details except that if you had once license you could be able to sneak another link in using the same exact frequencies... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good point Matt. My original comment/thoughts were not to bypass licensing requirements per link.(meaning in PtMP, with 2 CPEs and one shared radio, it would require two path analysises). It was to minimize interference, and colocation fees, when installing multiple links to several Customer buildings located right next to each other. In an example from this week, We had 3 remote buildings all within a 5 degree beamwidth from the tower site, at about 1.5 miles each. Side lobe connection would have been fine, based on short distance, possible even with a 1 ft dish at 23Ghz. The question was really several part.. 1. The technical feasibilty of the FCC rules 2. The technical feasability of spectrum characteristics. 3. Whether Dragonwave hardware, could support the application. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Point MMW- was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: 3. No -- while you *could* do PtMP -- problem is antenna beamwidth requirements (and interference protection minimums) Use the side lobes Luke. -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
We currently use Radius to apply up and down BW throttling at the MT AP, without MT clients. Some are some are not, but works the same. Also as mentioned through the Access List you can set the throttling on the wireless link rather than through a queue. Best Regards, Joel Message: 17 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:14:50 -0600 From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: 4974ed4a.3050...@linktechs.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net NGA Support Team NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon,
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I think you'll find the products which are sold as inverters (Xantrex for example) which have built in battery chargers will have a quicker recharge time because they are engineered for folks who run a generator for a few hours and then invert off the batteries the rest of the time. Most battery backup units are engineered with the idea that grid power will almost always be available except for a rare occasion so they invest very little in the battery charger which is typically a very slow trickle charger. Greg On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:35 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: This freezing fog is very pretty but boy is it making a mess of things up here! Found out that battery backup units die faster than they can be charged! snip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Tom, Wow?!? Four links as in eight radios or two links and four radios? Either way that'll require some real estate! You're making assumptions that 1Gbps isn't needed at the time of installation and ROI is pushed out. Neither could be the case. (e.g. It wasn't in our selection of BridgeWave) My guess is BridgeWave has a niche that they are enjoying. Sure, we'd like to be able to pay less for BridgeWave gear, but on the other hand it sets a barrier to entry that immediately separates the wheat from the chaff. So to speak... Actually we've found oversubscription is more of a problem in the 400Mbps+ realm as the choices in equipment that can actually deliver payloads at that level begin to thin out. Canopy-Believe, Granted BridgeWave is NOT a good solution by itself for a long link requiring 99.999% uptime at full modulation. That is why BridgeWave has made provisions to seamlessly migrate traffic over to an alternate radio set without any additional hardware required. So, for the client that needs true GigE capacity between sites 40%, 50%, even 99.7% (2hrs 14min downtime) BridgeWave is a good fit. For the remaining 2hrs, 14min they can poke along at 100Mbps, 200Mbps or even 300Mbps over an alternate path. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are getting really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before Trango adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn close to the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it togeather and rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty short range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for 1/3 the price. Most people would rather save money. They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making sales, before to long. I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure for that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its buyer. But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I can count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a $10k radio. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Well Brad, I never said Bridgewave didn't have a viable market. Nor that Bridgewave wasn;t a good decission for your application. When someone actually needs a GB, its a heck of a good deal. I can give an example of a WISP that has a cell tower, that agregates 300mbps licensed links, but needs to get 1/2 mile down the street to the carrier hotel. They need that GB to get to the carrier hotel. And they didn't sweat the price. My point is that, that market is not the common high volume market. Its a niche market. Obviously they are happy with their niche market currently, or they would have lowered their prices. I will tell you that, there will be a 80Ghz equipment manufacturer that wants the service provider typical market. And when they come, The radios won't cost $30k. They'll cost sub $5000. My point was Bridgewave's price break for models was from 100mb jump to 1 gb. When someone saturates 100mb, they don't instantly need 1 gb, 10x the capacity. There is no middle ground with Bridgewave. Thus, my comment of paying for broadband that they don't need. As far as Bridgewave with backup link? Well thats two antennas. Dragonwave with 4 links is also 2 antenna, because they use pol diversity to share the antennas. Ironically, per mbps, 4 dragonwave links cost just about the same a the 1Gb Bridgewave, the only difference is that the Dragonwave can be converted into a half capacity redundant link, if one of the radios fails. Don't get me wrong, its not ideal. Nor guaranteed spectrum channels will be available. But it allows growth, in 300mbps increments, as a WISP needs it. Plus with a 2 link Apex (1 antenna per side shared) 700mbps, its still 40% less costly than Bridgewave's GB 2ft link. And there is redundancy, (although not real time switch over), and no longer a limit in distance. No longer a risk, trying to keep the 1 degree beamwidth aligned. The market potential of the Apex is so much greater than that of the Bridgewave, looking for that tiny market segment that is less than a mile away, and needs the full 1GB. Bridgewave is loosing huge market share, for no reason. The fact is an 80Ghz 2ft dish radio, is capable of being sold at only $1000 more than its counter part capable of half mile at 60Ghz and 1 ft dish, that now sells for $11,000, at equivellent profit margin, if they wanted to. But they chose to try and charge $20k more, for something that has no cost. I do not beleive most service providers are paying it. I beleive Bridgewave instead just looses market share. But I guess I do not really know that. It would be interesting to know what percentage of Bridgewave radios sold are the $11k radios versus the $30k radios. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: can...@believewireless.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, Wow?!? Four links as in eight radios or two links and four radios? Either way that'll require some real estate! You're making assumptions that 1Gbps isn't needed at the time of installation and ROI is pushed out. Neither could be the case. (e.g. It wasn't in our selection of BridgeWave) My guess is BridgeWave has a niche that they are enjoying. Sure, we'd like to be able to pay less for BridgeWave gear, but on the other hand it sets a barrier to entry that immediately separates the wheat from the chaff. So to speak... Actually we've found oversubscription is more of a problem in the 400Mbps+ realm as the choices in equipment that can actually deliver payloads at that level begin to thin out. Canopy-Believe, Granted BridgeWave is NOT a good solution by itself for a long link requiring 99.999% uptime at full modulation. That is why BridgeWave has made provisions to seamlessly migrate traffic over to an alternate radio set without any additional hardware required. So, for the client that needs true GigE capacity between sites 40%, 50%, even 99.7% (2hrs 14min downtime) BridgeWave is a good fit. For the remaining 2hrs, 14min they can poke along at 100Mbps, 200Mbps or even 300Mbps over an alternate path. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued at $10k - $20k depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are getting really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before Trango adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn close to the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it togeather and rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty short range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for 1/3 the price. Most people would rather save money. They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making sales, before to long. I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure for that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its buyer. But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I can count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a $10k radio. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
Thank You! Nuf said! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:34:51 -0500 Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
Many client radios can do pppoe as well as Windows has it's own pppoe client I am told that works quite well. On 1/20/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Thank You! Nuf said! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:34:51 -0500 Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
