[WISPA] solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions?
I have a quad radio node that is 110V AC only, and I'm getting together what's needed in order to power it on a solar panel. Obviously, I'll need an inverter to take from 110V to 48V DC. Does anyone have any suggestions for batteries? Someone suggested some high capacity 6V ones (like they use on golf carts) and possibly putting them in series or parallel (depending on the draw I need). Also, I hear that there is some sort of sunlight calculator that I'll need to use to calculate the battery capacity I'll need to plan for. Any suggestions there? (I don't see anything googling) Any advice here would be greatly appreciated. (I'm new to planning out power requirements.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
http://exaltcom.com/sublanding.aspx?id=70 Matt Jenkins wrote: Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions?
There is a System Power Calculator in an Excel spreadsheet here http://tyconpower.com/learning_center/learning_center.htm There's also some other links on this page to some government pages that have useful info. Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions? I have a quad radio node that is 110V AC only, and I'm getting together what's needed in order to power it on a solar panel. Obviously, I'll need an inverter to take from 110V to 48V DC. Does anyone have any suggestions for batteries? Someone suggested some high capacity 6V ones (like they use on golf carts) and possibly putting them in series or parallel (depending on the draw I need). Also, I hear that there is some sort of sunlight calculator that I'll need to use to calculate the battery capacity I'll need to plan for. Any suggestions there? (I don't see anything googling) Any advice here would be greatly appreciated. (I'm new to planning out power requirements.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Right. It's for government (public safety) data. Matt Jenkins wrote: Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Nope...still have the same issues. If one radio did the transmitting and the other link the receiving you would be true RF full duplex but with TDD that theory may have holes. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus
We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. Connection source is port 80. Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc. Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean . anyone else seeing this or know what is going on Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus
My guess is that the Mac users don't tell the connections to close correctly. From what everyone keeps saying it should have the same TCP stack as some *nix kernel, but I have always felt it different. If you kill their connections, do they come right back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote: We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. Connection source is port 80. Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc. Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean . anyone else seeing this or know what is going on Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus
Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is found in Applications/Utilities): sudo netstat -a Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are making these connections. ryan Scott Piehn wrote: We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. Connection source is port 80. Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc. Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean . anyone else seeing this or know what is going on Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus
If it's a novice user you'd want to do something like sudo netstat -a ~/myconnections.txt Then have them email ~/myconnections.txt (note this is the *nix method, I don't know if Mac has a ~ for their home directory. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:21 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is found in Applications/Utilities): sudo netstat -a Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are making these connections. ryan Scott Piehn wrote: We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. Connection source is port 80. Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc. Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean . anyone else seeing this or know what is going on Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The Exalt is also a TDM radio. I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, that is the goal. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus
Exelent tip, thanks Scott - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is found in Applications/Utilities): sudo netstat -a Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are making these connections. ryan Scott Piehn wrote: We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. Connection source is port 80. Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc. Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean . anyone else seeing this or know what is going on Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Ok. That makes sense. I thought you were still attempting full duplex My bad Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:34:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Better to cut the bandwidth in half then the whole thing being down, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex The Exalt is also a TDM radio. I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, that is the goal. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - -- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You!
[WISPA] 24ghz links
I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Contract
Dennis, Sent you one offlist. Let us know if that works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: Anyone wishing to share a sample Tower contract for a private owner? Our contract to place equipment on the tower. -- * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
You are not going to have a problem. Considering equipment costs, amount of available channels, antenna beamwidth and polarity you should have no problems. I have been on over 200 rooftops in NYC, philly, Baltimore and DC and I have only seen one link. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:08:37 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
Randy, 24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish. The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx) And then you have polarity diversity. The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower is pretty doable. Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses. But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty well. I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet. With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
