[WISPA] solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions?

[Rogelio]

I have a quad radio node that is 110V AC only, and I'm getting together 
what's needed in order to power it on a solar panel.

Obviously, I'll need an inverter to take from 110V to 48V DC.

Does anyone have any suggestions for batteries?  Someone suggested some 
high capacity 6V ones (like they use on golf carts) and possibly putting 
them in series or parallel (depending on the draw I need).

Also, I hear that there is some sort of sunlight calculator that I'll 
need to use to calculate the battery capacity I'll need to plan for. 
Any suggestions there? (I don't see anything googling)

Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.  (I'm new to planning out 
power requirements.)



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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Matt Jenkins]

Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
Redline are the top choices.

On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
Government data?

- Matt

Matt Jenkins wrote:
> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Plexicomm Admin]

Did you look at Exalt?

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and
> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[3-dB Networks]

Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are
Full Duplex

As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long
time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

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>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>and
>> Redline are the top choices.
>>
>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>> Government data?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

http://exaltcom.com/sublanding.aspx?id=70


Matt Jenkins wrote:
> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>   
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
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[WISPA] FW: solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions?

[Scott Parsons]

There is a System Power Calculator in an Excel spreadsheet here
http://tyconpower.com/learning_center/learning_center.htm

There's also some other links on this page to some government pages that
have useful info.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] solar planning -- battery and sun calc suggestions?

I have a quad radio node that is 110V AC only, and I'm getting together 
what's needed in order to power it on a solar panel.

Obviously, I'll need an inverter to take from 110V to 48V DC.

Does anyone have any suggestions for batteries?  Someone suggested some 
high capacity 6V ones (like they use on golf carts) and possibly putting 
them in series or parallel (depending on the draw I need).

Also, I hear that there is some sort of sunlight calculator that I'll 
need to use to calculate the battery capacity I'll need to plan for. 
Any suggestions there? (I don't see anything googling)

Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.  (I'm new to planning out 
power requirements.)




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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Jack Unger]

Right. It's for government (public safety) data. 

Matt Jenkins wrote:

  Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
Redline are the top choices.

On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
Government data?

- Matt

Matt Jenkins wrote:
  
  
Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

- Matt



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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

Can't mix public safety and commercial in the same spectrum



Matt Jenkins wrote:
> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>   
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex 
specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth 
capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data 
through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an 
asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 
mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on 
channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in 
front of me.

As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to 
his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that 
point.

Bob



3-dB Networks wrote:
> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>
> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are
> Full Duplex
>
> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long
> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> Did you look at Exalt?
>>
>> Dan English
>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
>> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
>> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
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>> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>>>   
>> and
>> 
>>> Redline are the top choices.
>>>
>>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>>> Government data?
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>>   
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Josh Luthman]

What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
them pseudo-fdx?

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> There is alot of confusion here.
>
>  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>
>  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>
> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>
> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>
> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>
> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>
> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
> front of me.
>
> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
> point.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
> > Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
> > duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
> > Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
> >
> > The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
> are
> > Full Duplex
> >
> > As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
> long
> > time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >
> >
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> >> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
> >>
> >> Did you look at Exalt?
> >>
> >> Dan English
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> >> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> Redline are the top choices.
> >>>
> >>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> >>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> >>> Government data?
> >>>
> >>> - Matt
> >>>
> >>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >>>
>  Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
> 
>  - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[3-dB Networks]

Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market
they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to "full
duplex"... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint you
would be right since it only transmits on one channel.

The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and
one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput
numbers.

But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a "full duplex"
radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is most
customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does
what they think they want.

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>Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
>There is alot of confusion here.
>
> From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>
> From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
>specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>
>The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
>capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
>through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>
>The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>
>If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>
>Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>
>I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
>front of me.
>
>As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>point.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
>> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
>400
>> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>>
>> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
>are
>> Full Duplex
>>
>> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
>a long
>> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
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>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>>
>>> Did you look at Exalt?
>>>
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>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

>>> and
>>>
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>
> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

Nope...still have the same issues.

If one radio did the transmitting and the other link the receiving you 
would be true RF full duplex but with TDD that theory may have holes.





Josh Luthman wrote:
> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
> them pseudo-fdx?
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
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>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>
>   
>> There is alot of confusion here.
>>
>>  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>>
>>  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
>> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>>
>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>>
>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>>
>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>>
>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>>
>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
>> front of me.
>>
>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>> point.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> 
>>> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
>>> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
>>> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>>>
>>> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
>>>   
>> are
>> 
>>> Full Duplex
>>>
>>> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
>>>   
>> long
>> 
>>> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 - Original Message -
 From: "Matt Jenkins" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



 
> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>
>   
 and

 
> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus

[Scott Piehn]

We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 
200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections.  Connection source is port 
80.  Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc.

Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean
.

anyone else seeing this or know what is going on


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Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus

[Josh Luthman]

My guess is that the Mac users don't tell the connections to close
correctly.  From what everyone keeps saying it should have the same TCP
stack as some *nix kernel, but I have always felt it different.

If you kill their connections, do they come right back?

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Scott Piehn  wrote:

> We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are
> establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections.  Connection
> source is port 80.  Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam,
> etc.
>
> Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean
> .
>
> anyone else seeing this or know what is going on
>
> 
> Scott Piehn
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus

[D. Ryan Spott]

Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is 
found in Applications/Utilities):

sudo netstat -a

Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll 
up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are 
making these connections.

ryan

Scott Piehn wrote:
> We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are establishing 
> 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections.  Connection source is port 
> 80.  Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam, etc.
>
> Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean
> .
>
> anyone else seeing this or know what is going on
>
> 
> Scott Piehn
>
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Matt Jenkins]

I am looking into this as well.

Josh Luthman wrote:
> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
> them pseudo-fdx?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
> 
>> There is alot of confusion here.
>>
>>  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>>
>>  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
>> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>>
>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>>
>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>>
>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>>
>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>>
>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
>> front of me.
>>
>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>> point.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
>>> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
>>> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>>>
>>> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
>> are
>>> Full Duplex
>>>
>>> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
>> long
>>> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
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 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 - Original Message -
 From: "Matt Jenkins" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>
 and

> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus

[Josh Luthman]

If it's a novice user you'd want to do something like

sudo netstat -a > ~/myconnections.txt

Then have them email ~/myconnections.txt (note this is the *nix method, I
don't know if Mac has a ~ for their home directory.

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:21 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

> Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is
> found in Applications/Utilities):
>
> sudo netstat -a
>
> Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll
> up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are
> making these connections.
>
> ryan
>
> Scott Piehn wrote:
> > We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are
> establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections.  Connection
> source is port 80.  Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network in Amsterdam,
> etc.
> >
> > Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean
> > .
> >
> > anyone else seeing this or know what is going on
> >
> > 
> > Scott Piehn
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

The Exalt is also a TDM radio.

I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel 
or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels?

I agree that Radwin "advertises" full duplex but again that is either a 
mistake or sales fluff.  All the equipment is TDD. 

And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, 
that is the goal.

-B-

3-dB Networks wrote:
> Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market
> they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to "full
> duplex"... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint you
> would be right since it only transmits on one channel.
>
> The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and
> one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput
> numbers.
>
> But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a "full duplex"
> radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is most
> customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does
> what they think they want.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> There is alot of confusion here.
>>
>> From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>>
>> From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
>> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>>
>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>>
>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>>
>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>>
>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>>
>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
>> front of me.
>>
>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>> point.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> 
>>> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
>>> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
>>>   
>> 400
>> 
>>> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>>>
>>> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
>>>   
>> are
>> 
>>> Full Duplex
>>>
>>> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
>>>   
>> a long
>> 
>>> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
>> On
>> 
 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 - Original Message -
 From: "Matt Jenkins" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



 
> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>
>   
 and

 
> Redline are the top choices.
>
> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> Government data?
>
> - Matt
>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus

[Scott Piehn]

Exelent tip, thanks

Scott

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mt and Macintosh virus


> Have your customer run this in a terminal window (the terminal window is
> found in Applications/Utilities):
>
> sudo netstat -a
>
> Have the customer copy and paste EVERYTHING (they will have to scroll
> up)! into an email and send it to you. Take a look and see what apps are
> making these connections.
>
> ryan
>
> Scott Piehn wrote:
>> We are seeing something from our Macintosh users only, they are 
>> establishing 200 - 1000 connections in IP/Firewall/Connections. 
>> Connection source is port 80.  Some go to Google, yahoo, and RIPE Network 
>> in Amsterdam, etc.
>>
>> Had one user run a virus scan, said came up clean
>> .
>>
>> anyone else seeing this or know what is going on
>>
>> 
>> Scott Piehn
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Bob Moldashel]

You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
something similar you will never get true FD.

-B-



Matt Jenkins wrote:
> I am looking into this as well.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
>> them pseudo-fdx?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> There is alot of confusion here.
>>>
>>>  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>>>
>>>  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
>>> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>>>
>>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
>>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
>>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>>>
>>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>>>
>>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!
>>>
>>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>>> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>>>
>>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
>>> front of me.
>>>
>>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>>   
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
 
>>> are
>>>   
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
 
>>> long
>>>   
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
> Did you look at Exalt?
>
> Dan English
> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
>
>
>   
>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>>
>> 
> and
>
>   
>> Redline are the top choices.
>>
>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>> Government data?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Matt Jenkins]

I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD 
part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if 
their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic 
over the one remaining radio.

Bob Moldashel wrote:
> You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
> radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
> there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
> something similar you will never get true FD.
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> I am looking into this as well.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>   
>>> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
>>> them pseudo-fdx?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>
> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
> 
 are
   
> Full Duplex
>
> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
> 
 long
   
> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> Did you look at Exalt?
>>
>> Dan English
>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
>> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
>> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>>>
>>> 
>> and
>>
>>   
>>> Redline are the top choices.
>>>
>>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>>> Government data?
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[lakeland]

Ok. That makes sense. I thought you were still attempting full duplex

My bad
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Jenkins 

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:34:28 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD 
part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if 
their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic 
over the one remaining radio.

Bob Moldashel wrote:
> You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
> radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
> there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
> something similar you will never get true FD.
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> I am looking into this as well.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>   
>>> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
>>> them pseudo-fdx?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>
> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
> 
 are
   
> Full Duplex
>
> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
> 
 long
   
> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> Did you look at Exalt?
>>
>> Dan English
>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
>> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
>> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
>>>
>>> 
>> and
>>
>>   
>>> Redline are the top choices.
>>>
>>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>>> Government data?
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Josh Luthman]

Better to cut the bandwidth in half then the whole thing being down, though!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD
> part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if
> their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic
> over the one remaining radio.
>
> Bob Moldashel wrote:
> > You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the
> > radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering
> > there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or
> > something similar you will never get true FD.
> >
> > -B-
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >> I am looking into this as well.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>
> >>> What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to
> make
> >>> them pseudo-fdx?
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> >>> --- Henry Spencer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  There is alot of confusion here.
> 
>   From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
> 
>   From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full
> duplex
>  specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
> 
>  The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical
> bandwidth
>  capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the
> data
>  through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>  asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
> 
>  The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
> 
>  If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
>  mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real
> fluff!
> 
>  Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>  channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
> 
>  I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet
> in
>  front of me.
> 
>  As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
>  his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>  point.
> 
>  Bob
> 
> 
> 
>  3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
> > Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
> > duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
> 400
> > Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
> >
> > The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of
> that
> >
>  are
> 
> > Full Duplex
> >
> > As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
> a
> >
>  long
> 
> > time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
> >>
> >> Did you look at Exalt?
> >>
> >> Dan English
> >> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
> >> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
> >> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave,
> Radwin,
> >>>
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>
> >>> Redline are the top choices.
> >>>
> >>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
> >>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
> >>> Government data?
> >>>
> >>> - Matt
> >>>
> >>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
> 
>  - Matt
> 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[3-dB Networks]

Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
about that :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
>The Exalt is also a TDM radio.
>
>I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel
>or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels?
>
>I agree that Radwin "advertises" full duplex but again that is either a
>mistake or sales fluff.  All the equipment is TDD.
>
>And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants,
>that is the goal.
>
>-B-
>
>3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the
>market
>> they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to "full
>> duplex"... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint
>you
>> would be right since it only transmits on one channel.
>>
>> The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal
>polarity and
>> one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their
>throughput
>> numbers.
>>
>> But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a "full
>duplex"
>> radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is
>most
>> customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it
>does
>> what they think they want.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>>
>>> There is alot of confusion here.
>>>
>>> From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
>>>
>>> From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full
>duplex
>>> specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
>>>
>>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical
>bandwidth
>>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the
>data
>>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
>>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
>>>
>>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
>>>
>>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a
>20
>>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real
>fluff!
>>>
>>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
>>> channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
>>>
>>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet
>in
>>> front of me.
>>>
>>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex
>to
>>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>>
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be
>half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a
>PtP

>>> 400
>>>
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of
>that

>>> are
>>>
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a
>thread

>>> a long
>>>
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com



> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
>
>>> On
>>>
> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
> Did you look at Exalt?
>
> Dan English
> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>
>
>
>
>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave,
>Radwin,
>>
>>
> and
>
>
>> Redline are the top choices.
>>
>> On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
>> commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
>> Government data?
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>

Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

[Matt Jenkins]

I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If 
they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.

3-dB Networks wrote:
> Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
> Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.
> 
> Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
> helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
> about that :-)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> The Exalt is also a TDM radio.
>>
>> I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel
>> or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels?
>>
>> I agree that Radwin "advertises" full duplex but again that is either a
>> mistake or sales fluff.  All the equipment is TDD.
>>
>> And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants,
>> that is the goal.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the
>> market
>>> they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to "full
>>> duplex"... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint
>> you
>>> would be right since it only transmits on one channel.
>>>
>>> The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal
>> polarity and
>>> one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their
>> throughput
>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a "full
>> duplex"
>>> radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is
>> most
>>> customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it
>> does
>>> what they think they want.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full
>> duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical
>> bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the
>> data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a
>> 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real
>> fluff!
 Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet
>> in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex
>> to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be
>> half
> duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a
>> PtP
 400

> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
>
> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of
>> that
 are

> Full Duplex
>
> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a
>> thread
 a long

> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> boun...@wispa.org]
 On

>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>> Did you look at Exalt?
>>
>> Dan English
>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
>> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
>> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave,
>> Radwin,
>>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>> Redline are the top choices.

[WISPA] 24ghz links

[Randy Cosby]

I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot.  The path calcs all work 
fine for our use, climate, etc. 

I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz 
radios (dragonwave most likely).  Have you had any interference issues?  
Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before 
putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 
24gig towers?   I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, 
interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences.

Thanks!

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[WISPA] Tower Contract

[Dennis Burgess]

Anyone wishing to share a sample Tower contract for a private owner?  
Our contract to place equipment on the tower.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Contract

[Josh Luthman]

Dennis,

Sent you one offlist.  Let us know if that works.

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Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links

[lakeland]

You are not going to have a problem. Considering equipment costs, amount of 
available channels, antenna beamwidth and polarity you should have no problems. 
I have been on over 200 rooftops in NYC, philly, Baltimore and DC and I have 
only seen one link.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Randy Cosby 

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:08:37 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links


I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot.  The path calcs all work 
fine for our use, climate, etc. 

I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz 
radios (dragonwave most likely).  Have you had any interference issues?  
Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before 
putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 
24gig towers?   I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, 
interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences.

Thanks!

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InfoWest, Inc

work: 435-773-6071
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Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links

[Tom DeReggi]

Randy,

24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 
1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish.
The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two 
channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx)
And then you have polarity diversity.
The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower 
is pretty doable.
Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot 
of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money 
for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses.
But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty 
well.

I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave 
links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with 
one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet.
With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is 
wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links


> I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot.  The path calcs all work
> fine for our use, climate, etc.
>
> I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz
> radios (dragonwave most likely).  Have you had any interference issues?
> Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before
> putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other
> 24gig towers?   I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow,
> interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life 
> experiences.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Randy Cosby
> Vice President
> InfoWest, Inc
>
> work: 435-773-6071
> email: rco...@infowest.com
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