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I realize that the request went out to stop this thread. However, health care represents more cost to my business than my Internet backbone, so it has quite a bit of bearing on my ability to do business and I consider this to be a good discussion to have. --- Our current health care system is a terrible mess. There is best in the world health care available in the US - if you are very well off or have outstanding company provided insurance.People that are very poor can get some basic help. Everyone in the middle is screwed - stuck paying almost intolerable monthly premiums for shoddy insurance and oftentimes even shoddier care. The system has been optimized to benefit drug companies, insurance companies and the administrative wings of our hospital systems.It is extreme capitalism - designed by lobbyists - and it needs to change before it strangles the life out of the middle class. This is also not a partisan rant. I don't have a lot of confidence that the current administration is going to be able to come up with something that will make enough of a difference. I wish the Democrats spent more time trying to figure out how to root out the corruption in the current system instead of how to plug taxpayer money into the leaking dike. The corruption has always been there, but the last Republican administration was happy to provide fertile ground for that corruption to grow and really take off. I'm equally torqued off at both parties! I have several personal, painful examples of the failures in our health care system. At our staff meeting earlier this week, I found out that our health insurance premium was increasing by $1100/month. There is no increase in benefit for my employees or anything else that would justify this increase. My monthly bill was $5600/month before, now it is going to be $6700/month. This is for a business that has 7 full time employees and one part timer (who is the wife of another employee). Health insurance is now costing me ~$1000 per employee, per month. That is $84,000 per year! We are scrambling to find a new provider, and should be able to transfer to another health insurance company in January sometime - but it is going to cost us a ton in lost time and productivity, along with another round of policy transfer costs. I know, because we have had to do it four times now in the six years we have been in business. The insurance we have is pretty minimal - high deductibles and no frills at all, no one is really old or particularly unhealthy and no one is really happy with it. I'm giving some thought to bringing back the you are on your own system that my dad used to implement on the ranch. Each employee gets $x/month to pay for insurance or put into savings for health care expenses - and it is their responsibility. I have a feeling that plan is not going to get a lot of acceptance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Here is another example. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and had to get a CPAP machine. I used to play in a band with the guy who sells the CPAP machines and found out a lot about how the business side works. I had to pay $350 for the machine. He billed my insurance company $1500. The insurance company only paid $900 because he has to provide them some kind of discount. The insurance company had a new reason to raise my rates. Everyone had their finger in the pie. Amazingly enough, could have bought the same machine online for $500, but instead our health care system is set up to increase costs at all points along the transaction path. Good for capitalism, bad for consumers. Unfortunately, this example is inconsequential when compared to the far larger examples of gross abuse of accounting and paperpushing that is driving our health care costs through the roof. The most painful example has to do with sanitation. Apparently, our hospitals have some problems with basic sanitation and view sterilization procedures as unnecessary and belittling bureaucratic intrusion. I read an article about this in the Atlantic monthly - http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care - and instantly felt a surge of anger and sadness about this story of failures in our health care system. The author of the article lost his father due in part to complications from infections that he got while in the hospital. I lost my father in 2004, and although the technical cause of death was a heart attack, the heart attack was actually caused by a blood clot that lodged in his heart. The clot was precipitated by the blood thinners that he was on at the time that were part of the response to a staph infection that he got while he was in the hospital being treated for something else. The Wall Street Journal - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854497651476109.html - suggests that nearly 200,000 people a year die because of clotting after surgery or
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
I can't reread what you said. I can however reread what you wrote. I suggest you do the same. You state that you weren't commenting on the whole healthcare debate. Yet you were responding to a thread that was specifically a healthcare debate. Thus, it is reasonable to take your comments in the context of the overall debate. Further, I understand your comment was limited to your personal experience with Cuba. As I stated though, such anecdotes may be true, but are meaningless in the larger debate. While you may have meant only to share your personal experience with Cuba you ended up presenting a standard straw-man argument that has been used throughout the debate. If you don't want people to interpret your comments in the larger context of the debate you are participating in then I suggest stating that or simply don't comment. Now with specific regard to Cuba... Here you have a nation that is estimated to be the 70th largest economy in the world and ranked directly behind the largest economy in world in terms of healthcare. Maybe the rankings are flawed. Maybe Cuba lies about their statistics. Maybe they provide good healthcare to some and deny it to others. I don't really care since I have no desire to emulate our healthcare after Cuba. But, it is telling that such a poor country can do so well and a rich country like ours can do so poor. -Matt On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:08 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, Please reread what I said. I wasn't commenting on the whole healthcare debate. I was talking about Cuba. CUBA CUBA CUBA. Do you get it now? Just CUBA. Reread the original post and get off your high horse. Have you noticed everyone else stopped replying to you. Everyone else, sorry, that's my last post on this topic no matter what Matt says next. Greg On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:56 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, Chill, you're taking a really harsh tone. I'm talking about Cuba because I know about that. I have many Latino friends. I speak Spanish. I know Cubans and I know a lot of people who have been to Cuba. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not refuting all those other countries statistics. I thought you wanted debate of the facts. Or do you just want us to sit at your feet and listen? I do want to debate the facts, but you are responding with anecdotes. This is a standard straw-man used throughout the healthcare debate. I know person X from country Y that says this or had such and such happen to them. Such a statement can be true, but it is meaningless in the context of the debate. Such a situation needs to be statistically significant to matter. All systems have their flaws as no one believes a perfect system exists. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:32 PM, MDK wrote: As I stated before... Medicare reimburses such low amounts, that ever doctor, hospital, clinic, lab, etc, that accepts it does so at a loss. Not just no profit but at a loss.Not only that, but Medicare has the highest level of financial fraud, period. It's very efficient... at giving away money for nothing, and yet, at the same time, has created the single largest pick the pocket of someone else program to exist. Cite your sources. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:29 PM, MDK wrote: I'm sure you're a nice guy... But you're trying to convince a lot of people who know better by long years of experience, that life would be beautiful and all will be fine, if we just give Congress a few more trillion dollars a year of our hard earned money. I am pretty sure that wasn't his position. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:20 AM, MDK wrote: Every country with a government run medical system Denies routine medical care, extraordinary medical care, or expensive medical care on a routine basis. This is why babies delivered by the NHS hospitals in Britain are less than 90% born in a hospital room or delivery room. The rest are born in hallways, waiting rooms, streets, cabs, or ambulances because there are no available rooms.And, this number hasn't changed significantly in years and will not change, because the government simply hasn't enough money to expand facilities. What is your point? Every private insurance company in the US denies routine medical care, extraordinary medical care, or expensive medical care on a routine basis. This is why in some cities in Canada, the wait for the assignment of a personal physician can take up to 5 years.The government can't hire enough doctors, and those that are hired have no incentive to take on greater case loads. That would likely happen here as well if the entire population had access to healthcare. What isn't clear from your statement is that while true it is believed to only affect 5% of the Canadian population. Whereas around at least 15% of americans are in the same boat since they don't have insurance. This is why Veterinarians in Canada have near instant access to MRI machines, while people do not.Veterinary services are free market, people's service are socialized. I think your point is that if you pay for the MRI you can get it immediately. This is true for people in Canada as well. In every case, the government balances it's books by simply denying services or delaying services to people. Sounds like our private insurance companies only their books have to also balance the profit they need to deliver to their shareholders. I mean, it's so easy, once the government has to decide, not you having to decide whether you have to sacrifice for charity, your conscience and self righteousness can remain fully intact - it won't be YOUR fault they died like my mother did, because Medicare refused treatment, right? After all, Medicare denies treatment to covered patients MORE than any other insurer, public or private, in some cases by more than 5 times as many denials as private insurance.Yet, Medicare has the largest percentage of fraudulent payments of any insurer, BY FAR.But, hey, if it's the government's responsibility, we're morally relieved of any personal responsibility for those who suffer for a lack, right? Cite your sources. Or, are you going to tell us that government can buy unlimited health care for everyone? No one thinks they can. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Excellent post. The burden of healthcare on small businesses and their employees is just too much. I think the following is very telling in how we got started down this awful road. This is a transcript of the 1971 conversation between President Richard Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman that led to the HMO act of 1973: John D. Ehrlichman: “On the … on the health business …” President Nixon: “Yeah.” Ehrlichman: “… we have now narrowed down the vice president’s problems on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser’s Permanente thing. The vice president just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, ‘Well, I don’t think they’ll work, but if the President thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll support him a hundred percent.’” President Nixon: “Well, what’s … what’s the judgment?” Ehrlichman: “Well, everybody else’s judgment very strongly is that we go with it.” President Nixon: “All right.” Ehrlichman: “And, uh, uh, he’s the one holdout that we have in the whole office.” President Nixon: “Say that I … I … I’d tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it’s, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your judgment. You know I’m not too keen on any of these damn medical programs.” Ehrlichman: “This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am …” President Nixon: [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: “This … this is a …” President Nixon: “I don’t [unclear] …” Ehrlichman: “… private enterprise one.” President Nixon: “Well, that appeals to me.” Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because …” President Nixon: [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make.” President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: [Unclear] “… and the incentives run the right way.” President Nixon: “Not bad.” -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I realize that the request went out to stop this thread. However, health care represents more cost to my business than my Internet backbone, so it has quite a bit of bearing on my ability to do business and I consider this to be a good discussion to have. --- Our current health care system is a terrible mess. There is best in the world health care available in the US - if you are very well off or have outstanding company provided insurance.People that are very poor can get some basic help. Everyone in the middle is screwed - stuck paying almost intolerable monthly premiums for shoddy insurance and oftentimes even shoddier care. The system has been optimized to benefit drug companies, insurance companies and the administrative wings of our hospital systems.It is extreme capitalism - designed by lobbyists - and it needs to change before it strangles the life out of the middle class. This is also not a partisan rant. I don't have a lot of confidence that the current administration is going to be able to come up with something that will make enough of a difference. I wish the Democrats spent more time trying to figure out how to root out the corruption in the current system instead of how to plug taxpayer money into the leaking dike. The corruption has always been there, but the last Republican administration was happy to provide fertile ground for that corruption to grow and really take off. I'm equally torqued off at both parties! I have several personal, painful examples of the failures in our health care system. At our staff meeting earlier this week, I found out that our health insurance premium was increasing by $1100/month. There is no increase in benefit for my employees or anything else that would justify this increase. My monthly bill was $5600/month before, now it is going to be $6700/month. This is for a business that has 7 full time employees and one part timer (who is the wife of another employee). Health insurance is now costing me ~$1000 per employee, per month. That is $84,000 per year! We are scrambling to find a new provider, and should be able to transfer to another health insurance company in January sometime - but it is going to cost us a ton in lost time and productivity, along with another round of policy transfer costs. I know, because we have had to do it four times now in the six years we have been in business. The insurance we have is pretty minimal - high deductibles and no frills at all, no one is really old or particularly unhealthy and no one is really happy with it. I'm giving some thought to bringing back the you are on your own system that my dad used to implement on the ranch. Each employee gets $x/month
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This little historical item says a lot about this subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
In case anyone was curious: http://www.ieee802.org/11/Reports/tgad_update.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 If 60 GHz, then even better! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Who ever said it had to be wireless? Seems to me you can solve the problem today with a $100 cat5 line run. rather then $50 wireless adapter and $50 AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Ah... I was talking about the ones commenting on getting a new computer from wal-mart or elsewhere. We do sell new computers but it's the ones who make by the way comments that I try to set straight. As in, someone with I got this 3 years ago and now it's just so slow when I get on the internet. Hm. Norton 360, okay, Limewire in auto startup. Webshots Yahoo messenger/msn/myspace chat clients all together, weatherbug. Yep! That new computer would certainly take care of your speed, I would say, Until you put all this crap on the new one, then you'll be right where you are now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 New computer can improve browsing speed. The page rendering times are very noticeable in the last few years. The PC to my right is noticeably slower then this one I am on. The one on the right has an AMD64 3500+ while this has a Phenom II X4 955. But for all intent and purpose, you are correct - most people won't notice it. You do realize if you started selling newer computers you could make money, right? If someone is ready to buy a new car does the salesman suggest a detail and transmission flush? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I view waste as in clueless people grabbing fast as you say. I love having to explain to customers who want a newer computer because their internet is so slow. HA! Unless they are riddled with spyware and viruses, no new computer is gonna make the internet faster unless you're replacing one from 1997. H. 100mb nic vs. 1mb internet. Gotta love marketing! I always wondered why some slick idiot didn't come out with a 512k dial-up modem. Sure, it's useless after 53k but hey, people would've bought it by the thousands! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Depends how you view waste. If you're clueless and you see 100 meg router or 54 meg router which are you going to choose? You want fast! That other one is almost twice the speed. If they can make it at the same cost and just charge more, manufacturers will love it. Look at N. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
The problem with streaming Hi-Def video over Wi-Fi really has nothing to do with bandwidth, it has to do with how the data is delivered. There is a lot of jitter in the typical Wi-Fi signal. Ruckus is the only company I know of that claims to be able to stream Hi-Def video now (because of their antenna array technology, Beamflex). Ruckus is huge overseas in IPTV markets (that is how they got their start), and I've been told that Ruckus is the largest purchaser of Atheros based chipsets because of how many units they sell overseas for this. More reading: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/solutions/triple-play-carrier-services If you click download on the right hand side there is a whitepaper regarding IPTV over Wi-Fi Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance
I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule. Hmm.. 180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the office yet doing installs and such, on Sunday, well. Hanging sectors, running cable, walking around Home Depot looking for ideas on how to build the impossible, welding, drilling... And answering the cell phone! Vacation? I'm with ya. No vacation for ME for over 3 years yet the wife went to on one for almost a month last summer. And I continued having my flexible schedule. I hate the cell phone. HATE IT! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone number. We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ). Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a real vacation in almost 3 years. Some days, I just love what I do.Some days, I'm really tired of the grind. Is that variableness the same for everyone? -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance I kinda thought we might need a new thread that wasn't about Health Insurance. Look at me, I run a wireless internet company! That's all. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Agreed, it's long since ceased to be a debate anyway and turned into a propaganda session. Regards Michael Baird Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:50 AM, rwf wrote: Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. It is not my debate. I believe the list was discussing this for at least 3 days before I made my first post. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. I'll take that as a compliment. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I suspect the majority of us are here for discussion regarding WISP related issues. Matt Larsen recently posted on the relevance of the discussion to WISPs. I can't speak to your incorrect understanding regarding my activity in this industry. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yeah, you can now go buy a Linksys at wal-mart that is both 2.4 and 5 so it's now spilling over to the 5ghz. I have a customer who has one but unfortunately you can't operate both the 2.4 and 5 at the same time, it's either or. I found that odd and the customer has 2 new laptops that have 2.4 and 5 as well as some older stuff on 2.4. Even HE thought he could do both together because his new laptops can do that just fine. Maybe a third party firmware will solve that but it was just wtf when I tried to set him up in both bands. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 09:23, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah, you can now go buy a Linksys at wal-mart that is both 2.4 and 5 so it's now spilling over to the 5ghz. I have a customer who has one but unfortunately you can't operate both the 2.4 and 5 at the same time, it's either or. I found that odd and the customer has 2 new laptops that have 2.4 and 5 as well as some older stuff on 2.4. Even HE thought he could do both together because his new laptops can do that just fine. Maybe a third party firmware will solve that but it was just wtf when I tried to set him up in both bands. A lot of the cheaper routers are like that. Probably using the same inexpensive chipset that a lot of us use in home-built APs - I know I have a number of Mikrotik radio cards out there that can run in both bands. My Apple Time Capsule at home actually has two separate radios, and can even do multiple SSIDs. Horribly expensive, by router standards, but well worth it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What the heck is Matt doing now?!? WAS: Re: Insurance
WOW! What ARE you doing now Matt? I really enjoyed your talk at the *last* ISP-Con. ryan On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Well Matt, Just what are you doing after One Ring? Where are you hanging out, what does your virtual shingle say? Are you writing I Phone apps? New bikini code? A new mac maybe? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I did the same thing at home. Wife was complaining (Yeah, what's new) her movie transfers too slow between bedroom and living room. Was using her laptop and connecting to wireless router. So, as a wireless geek, I put in 2 5.8 bullets and 2 Omnis, a quick throw together from stuff she's been telling me to get out of the living room anyhow. Ran with that for a bit at around 100mb (but I was creeped out by sleeping with all that darned radiation) but still too slow for her so I cut a hole in the wall, put 2 jacks in and ran it to the switch (yeah a PoE gig switch in the closet, I'm sure many others here have weird junk like that in the closet too) Now she's at near gig speed on her laptop that she plugs in now if she needs to and the desktop she has on her 52 plasma that I can't touch. Why do you have to do that now? Why can't you do that some other time when I'm not trying to -insert any female activity here- ??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Who ever said it had to be wireless? Seems to me you can solve the problem today with a $100 cat5 line run. rather then $50 wireless adapter and $50 AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I have never seen or investigated Ruckus. Heard it a few times here though. Making myself a note just for fun here. Always good to know other equipment as solutions to weird problems. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The problem with streaming Hi-Def video over Wi-Fi really has nothing to do with bandwidth, it has to do with how the data is delivered. There is a lot of jitter in the typical Wi-Fi signal. Ruckus is the only company I know of that claims to be able to stream Hi-Def video now (because of their antenna array technology, Beamflex). Ruckus is huge overseas in IPTV markets (that is how they got their start), and I've been told that Ruckus is the largest purchaser of Atheros based chipsets because of how many units they sell overseas for this. More reading: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/solutions/triple-play-carrier-services If you click download on the right hand side there is a whitepaper regarding IPTV over Wi-Fi Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
The client side devices are available at Tessco for MediaFlex and MetroFlex. ZoneFlex is only available through channel, so if you're interested in those products please hit me up Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I have never seen or investigated Ruckus. Heard it a few times here though. Making myself a note just for fun here. Always good to know other equipment as solutions to weird problems. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The problem with streaming Hi-Def video over Wi-Fi really has nothing to do with bandwidth, it has to do with how the data is delivered. There is a lot of jitter in the typical Wi-Fi signal. Ruckus is the only company I know of that claims to be able to stream Hi-Def video now (because of their antenna array technology, Beamflex). Ruckus is huge overseas in IPTV markets (that is how they got their start), and I've been told that Ruckus is the largest purchaser of Atheros based chipsets because of how many units they sell overseas for this. More reading: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/solutions/triple-play-carrier-services If you click download on the right hand side there is a whitepaper regarding IPTV over Wi-Fi Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on Auto along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today. Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Propaganda? -insurance bad- What do you -insurance bad- mean by -insurance bad- propaganda? -insurance bad- It's not like -insurance bad- we're using -insurance bad- subliminal messages -insurance bad- or anything. -insurance bad- Bob- -insurance bad- -insurance bad- -insurance bad- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Agreed, it's long since ceased to be a debate anyway and turned into a propaganda session. Regards Michael Baird Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
As soon as it hits Wal-Mart they will all buy them and toss out the older, useless G routers. A nice opportunity to pick some used ones up for cheap. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 21:18, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. I think the business customers would be more interesting than the home users. Most home users, you can speak plainly to them and point out that unless they're streaming a half-dozen HD videos at once, 100Mbps is all they need. (And of course their upstream connection is just a tiny fraction of that 100Mbps anyway. If they still want to spend more money than they need to, hey, it's their money.) I'd love something like this in my office, to be honest. My office only has 100Mbps wiring, and it'd be annoying (and probably cost-prohibitive) to re-do twenty-some-odd cable runs with Cat6. If I could buy one new AP and a dozen wireless adapters, and get all the benefits of a faster LAN, I'd be sorely tempted. I know I've run into the limits of 100Mbps more and more as time goes on, especially with using things like VMware internally, where moving files that are tens of gigabytes is not uncommon. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom in a place that you didn't expect it to get? I sure have! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our bucket truck and brought it home, I took a 3/8 drill bit to about 3 places in the bottom of the bucket to let water out. That's not a good idea. You now give a place for electricity to run through your body if you happen to move between a ground source and an electrical line. I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really not hard to just dump the buckets. I've worked for several electric companies and understand the reasoning behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines then its not an issue. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning
Use LOW power and really good antennas. Use both polarities etc. How many radios per tower? Basically, when possible, think of a honey comb. Each flat side gets it's on freqency, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Anyone have any suggestions for a program that we can use to document frequencies that is easy to use? Trying to plan 5ghz frequencies across several towers that are close proximity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2.4 GHz Dual Pol Flat Panel
Need one of these with something 13 dB or higher. Anyone have any leads on such an animal. I needed it yesterday Tnx Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning
In some cases 6. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Use LOW power and really good antennas. Use both polarities etc. How many radios per tower? Basically, when possible, think of a honey comb. Each flat side gets it's on freqency, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Anyone have any suggestions for a program that we can use to document frequencies that is easy to use? Trying to plan 5ghz frequencies across several towers that are close proximity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wind!
Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning
Marlon, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. Are you saying you have, say, 2.4 on one corner and then 5 on the corner the 2.4 is closest to? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Use LOW power and really good antennas. Use both polarities etc. How many radios per tower? Basically, when possible, think of a honey comb. Each flat side gets it's on freqency, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Anyone have any suggestions for a program that we can use to document frequencies that is easy to use? Trying to plan 5ghz frequencies across several towers that are close proximity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) Once had to climb 100ft up a Rohn 25 tower in wind like that... that was the most terrifying experience on a tower in my life :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
We only run cat5 in conduit. I've never had to fix one since we started that. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September. I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I went back to re-fix it in the sleet. What fun. I think it is better because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it with RTV. Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground? I would rather not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another way. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I bought this laptop in the beginning of the year - it's bg. No 5Ghz to do an. I'm told the antenna is there and I can easily upgrade it, but I want an atheros card. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yeah, I'm using a Toshiba that has all in it and it will scan all bands automatically. Handy, handy item. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Maybe the wind is blowing the 1's away before they get to the other end. I think 0's are good up to about 100MPH. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
Those are the old SmartBridges ones. I'm told they leak. Never happened to me, but I didn't position then vertically either. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ah! Took me an hour to find this (everyone wanting to chat and text and call and ask and...) http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=p08Uhw9w2FyOGS2yhLmq6g%3d%3d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and protected from the weather will be fine. Just keep as many twists in the wire as you can. I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past and they all worked perfectly. I just have a thing about looking professional and not like duct tape and twine. But that stuff works too! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of it, re-splice it and bury the splice. Robert West wrote: I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a box of them still in the van. It's really ugly though and you have to make sure you keep as many twists in the wire as you can. But then you still have to seal it all and RTV would be my choice. If I had to, and if I had any slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it full of silicone. Still an ugly way to go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September. I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I went back to re-fix it in the sleet. What fun. I think it is better because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it with RTV. Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground? I would rather not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another way. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
23 I think... but I'm just about to turn 26 :-) A stupid squirrel chewed through the cable on an AP that had close to 80 customers on it... and it had been down for at least 24 hours before I said screw it. I honestly don't feel that I wasn't safe... but it's amazing how much a tower can really sway (or at least feel like its swaying) when you're up there. If you account for your body as adding X amount of wind load to the tower... you can pretty much figure out if it is safe or not. In this case there was only a few Canopy AP's and reflector dishes on the tower... and it was built for a heck of a lot more load than that. If your 100ft self supporter is close to capacity I'd probably think twice about climbing it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! And you were, that, 19 years old at the time? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) Once had to climb 100ft up a Rohn 25 tower in wind like that... that was the most terrifying experience on a tower in my life :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yep most are the Intel 5100/5300 chipsets... which have issues with roaming. Unfortunately I have one :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I bought this laptop in the beginning of the year - it's bg. No 5Ghz to do an. I'm told the antenna is there and I can easily upgrade it, but I want an atheros card. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:21, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) I don't climb, because I'm not insane. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
You may be on to something. I once tried a vertical bridge that I had issues with and could never figure it out. I bet if the 1's are indeed weak, they probably were too heavy or weak to reach the top? So I ended up with zero. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! Maybe the wind is blowing the 1's away before they get to the other end. I think 0's are good up to about 100MPH. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
The 25g sections, when you bolt them together, partially crimps the sections together. If you just remove the bolts, normally you can't get them apart due to the existing crimp. You can use a small bottle jack and wood cribbing to jack the sections apart but that's a hassle as you can imagine, being strapped to the top of a tower. The jack is just a big lever to grab and pry them apart. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023; product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Then you're still invincible! I'm old. I know I'll go splat and I try to avoid wearing dirt at every opportunity. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! 23 I think... but I'm just about to turn 26 :-) A stupid squirrel chewed through the cable on an AP that had close to 80 customers on it... and it had been down for at least 24 hours before I said screw it. I honestly don't feel that I wasn't safe... but it's amazing how much a tower can really sway (or at least feel like its swaying) when you're up there. If you account for your body as adding X amount of wind load to the tower... you can pretty much figure out if it is safe or not. In this case there was only a few Canopy AP's and reflector dishes on the tower... and it was built for a heck of a lot more load than that. If your 100ft self supporter is close to capacity I'd probably think twice about climbing it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! And you were, that, 19 years old at the time? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) Once had to climb 100ft up a Rohn 25 tower in wind like that... that was the most terrifying experience on a tower in my life :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yeah, same as I have but I don't much care about roaming, I just like that I can use the same laptop with no more PCMCIA card and antenna on it to do both bands with no issue when I'm out in field. I have my MAC ID added to all the backhauls, I just turn the thing on. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Yep most are the Intel 5100/5300 chipsets... which have issues with roaming. Unfortunately I have one :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I bought this laptop in the beginning of the year - it's bg. No 5Ghz to do an. I'm told the antenna is there and I can easily upgrade it, but I want an atheros card. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Hey, I was on a 300 foot self supported 2 weeks ago, it's monster strong, and when the sun was going down the wind got crazy and it was like on a boat. I gave up and had to get the hell off the thing, couldn't work anyway, everything was trying to blow off. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:21, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) I don't climb, because I'm not insane. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Cheap antennas will actually bend in the wind. Better than breaking I guess :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
If they leak they were damaged or you didn't tighten them all the way. They have rubber gromits that go around the cables of which have a good quarter inch of thread after finger tightening. The part that conjoins the two has an O ring and more then enough thread to prevent leakage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Those are the old SmartBridges ones. I'm told they leak. Never happened to me, but I didn't position then vertically either. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ah! Took me an hour to find this (everyone wanting to chat and text and call and ask and...) http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=p08Uhw9w2FyOGS2yhLmq6g%3d%3d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and protected from the weather will be fine. Just keep as many twists in the wire as you can. I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past and they all worked perfectly. I just have a thing about looking professional and not like duct tape and twine. But that stuff works too! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of it, re-splice it and bury the splice. Robert West wrote: I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a box of them still in the van. It's really ugly though and you have to make sure you keep as many twists in the wire as you can. But then you still have to seal it all and RTV would be my choice. If I had to, and if I had any slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it full of silicone. Still an ugly way to go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September. I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I went back to re-fix it in the sleet. What fun. I think it is better because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it with RTV. Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground? I would rather not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another way. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning
No. Use 5725 on one side, 5850 on the other. Don't use 5735 or 5840 on either adjacent side if you can help it. If you are doing this with 2.4 you are pretty well screwed :-). There just isn't enough spectrum to do it nicely. Keep the TX power REALLY low and make up for it with bigger client side antennas. If it's PTP links, this gets a lot easier. This isn't exactly the right thing but it'll get you some idea of how this can work out: http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/fh_vs_ds.pdf At some point in the past BreezeCOM (Alvarion today) had a nice pdf on this topic. Patrick, do you know where to find the AP planning document these days? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Marlon, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. Are you saying you have, say, 2.4 on one corner and then 5 on the corner the 2.4 is closest to? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Use LOW power and really good antennas. Use both polarities etc. How many radios per tower? Basically, when possible, think of a honey comb. Each flat side gets it's on freqency, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Anyone have any suggestions for a program that we can use to document frequencies that is easy to use? Trying to plan 5ghz frequencies across several towers that are close proximity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning
Oh, okay. I was confused with the band I thinking 2.4 and 5. Makes sense though, I try to actually do that although sometimes I screw myself with having other AP''s down the road on channels that will conflict with the new one. Takes more planning that I ever have time for or are allowed to have. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning No. Use 5725 on one side, 5850 on the other. Don't use 5735 or 5840 on either adjacent side if you can help it. If you are doing this with 2.4 you are pretty well screwed :-). There just isn't enough spectrum to do it nicely. Keep the TX power REALLY low and make up for it with bigger client side antennas. If it's PTP links, this gets a lot easier. This isn't exactly the right thing but it'll get you some idea of how this can work out: http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/fh_vs_ds.pdf At some point in the past BreezeCOM (Alvarion today) had a nice pdf on this topic. Patrick, do you know where to find the AP planning document these days? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Marlon, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. Are you saying you have, say, 2.4 on one corner and then 5 on the corner the 2.4 is closest to? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Use LOW power and really good antennas. Use both polarities etc. How many radios per tower? Basically, when possible, think of a honey comb. Each flat side gets it's on freqency, no two sides that touch each other (including the corners) get the same band. marlon - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Frequency Planning Anyone have any suggestions for a program that we can use to document frequencies that is easy to use? Trying to plan 5ghz frequencies across several towers that are close proximity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I stand corrected... I guess I thought everything was shipping with 802.11n now... at least all of the ones I have bought in the last year or so have Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Well, sounds like an upgrade opportunity for Dell and HP. HP sucks though because the firmware will not let you go buy a card and just pop it in. Unauthorized wireless card fount in slot blah, blah, blah HP will only let you use a card you buy from them even if it's the same model and make card you got from elsewhere. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
My guess would be wind induced harmonic resonance on the tower which is causing enough harmonics to be passed into the transmitter/receiver of the radio's or at least the antenna to briefly cause signal degradation. Bret Robert West wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! Cheap antennas will actually bend in the wind. Better than breaking I guess :-). marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased in metal would not work. Phil Curnutt wrote: The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
There's enough long haired words in that to be right. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! My guess would be wind induced harmonic resonance on the tower which is causing enough harmonics to be passed into the transmitter/receiver of the radio's or at least the antenna to briefly cause signal degradation. Bret Robert West wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! Cheap antennas will actually bend in the wind. Better than breaking I guess :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Robert - do some good Googling. You can remove that from the BIOS. A and N seems to be an upgrade together. BG or ABGN. If only they offered an atheros ABGN in Thinkpads I would be so irritated. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Well, sounds like an upgrade opportunity for Dell and HP. HP sucks though because the firmware will not let you go buy a card and just pop it in. Unauthorized wireless card fount in slot blah, blah, blah HP will only let you use a card you buy from them even if it's the same model and make card you got from elsewhere. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Duh! I looked at that picture and just went on the products page. Should have realized it was showing how to use it. Data Technology wrote: Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
It also works on Rohn 45 Scott Reed wrote: Duh! I looked at that picture and just went on the products page. Should have realized it was showing how to use it. Data Technology wrote: Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
I get a lot of stuff from: https://gmesupply.com/index.php Easy to work with and decent site. Has a lot of tower assembly and safety equipment. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks Duh! I looked at that picture and just went on the products page. Should have realized it was showing how to use it. Data Technology wrote: Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1 023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] What the heck is Matt doing now?!? WAS: Re: Insurance
I can't talk about anything of the things I am involved in currently. Maybe in the next few months things will change. I do expect they will benefit the industry though. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: WOW! What ARE you doing now Matt? I really enjoyed your talk at the *last* ISP-Con. ryan On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.comwrote: Well Matt, Just what are you doing after One Ring? Where are you hanging out, what does your virtual shingle say? Are you writing I Phone apps? New bikini code? A new mac maybe? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance
Every customer had my cell number but it became way too much burden. Nothing like being interupted while enjoying a movie because theire laptop wont connect to their wireless router. Oh ya, I even got the proverbial my mouse wont work last week! My greeting even said, please call the office but everyone thinks they are special. So, after 5 years, I finally changed my cell number and force them to call into the office. Ah, life is sooo much better! Now, all I have to do is move so they stop coming to my house! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule. Hmm.. 180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the office yet doing installs and such, on Sunday, well. Hanging sectors, running cable, walking around Home Depot looking for ideas on how to build the impossible, welding, drilling... And answering the cell phone! Vacation? I'm with ya. No vacation for ME for over 3 years yet the wife went to on one for almost a month last summer. And I continued having my flexible schedule. I hate the cell phone. HATE IT! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone number. We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ). Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a real vacation in almost 3 years. Some days, I just love what I do.Some days, I'm really tired of the grind. Is that variableness the same for everyone? -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance I kinda thought we might need a new thread that wasn't about Health Insurance. Look at me, I run a wireless internet company! That's all. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
You, my friend, are an intelligent and thoughtful person. Now, please go and read the disclaimer at the bottom of the original post :) -- From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare Hello, Someone pitch me please. You have got to be kidding me right... So our lowest package is $39.99 a month. The max I would get is $16/month if I am lucky. Our lowest package use to be $59/month. When that was the lowest package, we had very little tech support calls that where a waste of our time. Most people that could afford the $59/month plan where somewhat computer savvy or at least educated enough to know when we said it was not a problem with our service they believed us. We then came out with a $39/month plan. Yes we added more customers, but man did our support calls go up and the dumb ones shot through the roof. The clients became more unreasonable and if I had to guess take up about 80% of my companies time dealing with them while they only make up 35% of our customer revenue. This seems like a very bad deal for the ISP for sure. I know I will not sign up for it until I have to unless they are talking about us getting a huge and I mean huge setup fee. If you can afford to have a computer or 2 or 3, I would think you can afford to pay for Internet. Shot most people on this plan would most likely have a better car then I drive. It all comes down to what you want to spend your money. Next they will make the ISP provide the Computer and all warranty work on it for free. I am all for helping the disadvantaged and we do on a case by case bases, but being forced to provide service to clients that I know I will be losing money each month on does not seem right. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare After long debate, it has been determined that the reason the US lags behind other countries is that it costs too much, and people need help... so, here's the new solution. Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to everyone. Here's how it works: There's a simple, 4 page application process, where you list your internet usage, your computer ownership, your current broadband (or lack of), and the need in your household for broadband. When you sign up, the application is free, and when you get your letter of acceptance from the NetCare administration, you can then obtain broadband for a small, set fee. While the fee may vary according to how many computers and your apparent need for broadband, it will not be more than $6 per month, nor less than $2.Once you enroll, you may then take your NetCare enrollment ID to any participating internet service provider, who will provide you service. ISP's, this is a wonderful opportunity for you. Here's a chance to gain a dramatic increase in the number of customers, by advertising that you accept NetCare. Enrollment is quite simple.Provide 4 years of tax filings, and a complete audit of the costs of your operation using GAAP. Or, enroll for NetCare Express.If you choose NetCare Express, your cost of providing service will be estimated according to regional averages and you will be compensated 60% of the estimated costs of providing broadband up to 40% of your published rates. In no case will this be greater than 40% of your retail price.If you choose standard NetCare enrollment, you will be compensated according to your actual costs by multiplying your costs by a sliding scale of .3 to .7, depending on the profitability of your company, whether you hire veterans, and whether you use SEIU wage and benefit scale for your employees.If your company has an overall profitability greater than 5% of gross receipts, if you do not pay union scale to your employees and have no veterans on staff, and have a low percentage of employees with a Bachelor's degree or higher, your maximum reimbursement will be 30% of your costs. Each item of compliance raises your reimbursement percentage by 10 percent. Enrollment in NetCare is currently optional, but if the rate of broadband acceptance by consumers doesn't reach the target goal of 90% set by Congress in 2 years, NetCare enrollment will be forced on all internet service providers. Refusing to provide services to NetCare enrollees will result in fines and civil actions against your company, amounting to $10,000 / day. The FCC released a statement today saying This will revolutionize our economy. No longer is broadband out of reach for anyone. By creating a public - private partnership,
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yeah, on some of the older units you can do it easily with a bios that someone already took the white list out of but that bios covers a very few models. The other older ones is still a bit of a challenge for most people, editing a bios is dangerous for most. Then Compaq/HP use a rom instead of a .BIN file, again a bear to deal with for most. The new ones have changed over to a compiled bios that I haven't been able to get inside of to even look at. It's C++ I think. Wasn't able to reverse engineer the thing as of yet to play with it. They go to all lengths to keep you out and it's just so you can't use an aftermarket card. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Robert - do some good Googling. You can remove that from the BIOS. A and N seems to be an upgrade together. BG or ABGN. If only they offered an atheros ABGN in Thinkpads I would be so irritated. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Well, sounds like an upgrade opportunity for Dell and HP. HP sucks though because the firmware will not let you go buy a card and just pop it in. Unauthorized wireless card fount in slot blah, blah, blah HP will only let you use a card you buy from them even if it's the same model and make card you got from elsewhere. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, I connect at 54Mbps! Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
And the wonder pole is now ice Say it isn't so! I gotta go out to cedar rapids in a week or so. That sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
There goes the emotional side again. Nobody has died in the US because they didnt have access to health care. That will change if the new plan passes. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 23:01, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to everyone. Broadband Internet isn't the same as BASIC HUMAN WELFARE and you know it. One is (literally) a matter of life-and-death, the other isn't. Please quit making intellectually dishonest comparisons. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance
To your house? Now that's just creepy. What I've always done is given them this number - 9375522343. It's a DID on L3 and routes to our switch. The switch and such makes it ring to my user, Josh Luthman. My user is built on a Cisco 79xx phone. If my phone is OOS it goes straight to my cell. If I don't answer it and I am not on the phone, it auto forwards to my cell. If I have it on DND straight to VM. I tell customers that one number is the only number you need is the main number, but if you need me specifically then call 2343 and I'll help you as soon as I can. On those special nights just tap the DND button and I'm disconnected. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Every customer had my cell number but it became way too much burden. Nothing like being interupted while enjoying a movie because theire laptop wont connect to their wireless router. Oh ya, I even got the proverbial my mouse wont work last week! My greeting even said, please call the office but everyone thinks they are special. So, after 5 years, I finally changed my cell number and force them to call into the office. Ah, life is sooo much better! Now, all I have to do is move so they stop coming to my house! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule. Hmm.. 180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the office yet doing installs and such, on Sunday, well. Hanging sectors, running cable, walking around Home Depot looking for ideas on how to build the impossible, welding, drilling... And answering the cell phone! Vacation? I'm with ya. No vacation for ME for over 3 years yet the wife went to on one for almost a month last summer. And I continued having my flexible schedule. I hate the cell phone. HATE IT! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone number. We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ). Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a real vacation in almost 3 years. Some days, I just love what I do.Some days, I'm really tired of the grind. Is that variableness the same for everyone? -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance I kinda thought we might need a new thread that wasn't about Health Insurance. Look at me, I run a wireless internet company! That's all. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
Not near high power lines. With that said, your comments are very good advice and well taken. It wasnt long ago that a co-worker at the electric company I was at was killed up in a bucket. We should all take high power seriously. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom in a place that you didn't expect it to get? I sure have! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our bucket truck and brought it home, I took a 3/8 drill bit to about 3 places in the bottom of the bucket to let water out. That's not a good idea. You now give a place for electricity to run through your body if you happen to move between a ground source and an electrical line. I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really not hard to just dump the buckets. I've worked for several electric companies and understand the reasoning behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines then its not an issue. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
smartbridge says it all :) On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Those are the old SmartBridges ones. I'm told they leak. Never happened to me, but I didn't position then vertically either. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ah! Took me an hour to find this (everyone wanting to chat and text and call and ask and...) http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=p08Uhw9w2FyOGS2yhLmq6g%3d%3d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and protected from the weather will be fine. Just keep as many twists in the wire as you can. I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past and they all worked perfectly. I just have a thing about looking professional and not like duct tape and twine. But that stuff works too! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of it, re-splice it and bury the splice. Robert West wrote: I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a box of them still in the van. It's really ugly though and you have to make sure you keep as many twists in the wire as you can. But then you still have to seal it all and RTV would be my choice. If I had to, and if I had any slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it full of silicone. Still an ugly way to go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in September. I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and wrapped it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough, today I went back to re-fix it in the sleet. What fun. I think it is better because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it with RTV. Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground? I would rather not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is another way. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] What the heck is Matt doing now?!? WAS: Re: Insurance
Obama hired as the new wireless czar :) j/k - lol! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: I can't talk about anything of the things I am involved in currently. Maybe in the next few months things will change. I do expect they will benefit the industry though. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: WOW! What ARE you doing now Matt? I really enjoyed your talk at the *last* ISP-Con. ryan On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.comwrote: Well Matt, Just what are you doing after One Ring? Where are you hanging out, what does your virtual shingle say? Are you writing I Phone apps? New bikini code? A new mac maybe? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. -Matt On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Or even better, be on it! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
So much for global warming! Oops, another hot topic these days! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
I recently had a link like that. Noticed that after all the trees dropped the leaves there was a pole barn with a metal roof in the fresnel zone that was protected by the leaves before. Switched from flat panel to grid and fixed the issue. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance
Ya, I put a stop to that quick. The only number I've ever given is my office number. The bad thing about caller ID is they collect your cell number when you call them. To fix that, I got a second line and have no voicemail on it. LOL, you can always send them to rejectionhotline.com! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: To your house? Now that's just creepy. What I've always done is given them this number - 9375522343. It's a DID on L3 and routes to our switch. The switch and such makes it ring to my user, Josh Luthman. My user is built on a Cisco 79xx phone. If my phone is OOS it goes straight to my cell. If I don't answer it and I am not on the phone, it auto forwards to my cell. If I have it on DND straight to VM. I tell customers that one number is the only number you need is the main number, but if you need me specifically then call 2343 and I'll help you as soon as I can. On those special nights just tap the DND button and I'm disconnected. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Every customer had my cell number but it became way too much burden. Nothing like being interupted while enjoying a movie because theire laptop wont connect to their wireless router. Oh ya, I even got the proverbial my mouse wont work last week! My greeting even said, please call the office but everyone thinks they are special. So, after 5 years, I finally changed my cell number and force them to call into the office. Ah, life is sooo much better! Now, all I have to do is move so they stop coming to my house! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule. Hmm.. 180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the office yet doing installs and such, on Sunday, well. Hanging sectors, running cable, walking around Home Depot looking for ideas on how to build the impossible, welding, drilling... And answering the cell phone! Vacation? I'm with ya. No vacation for ME for over 3 years yet the wife went to on one for almost a month last summer. And I continued having my flexible schedule. I hate the cell phone. HATE IT! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone number. We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ). Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a real vacation in almost 3 years. Some days, I just love what I do.Some days, I'm really tired of the grind. Is that variableness the same for everyone? -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance I kinda thought we might need a new thread that wasn't about Health Insurance. Look at me, I run a wireless internet company! That's all. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
That's my fault. I'm basically lazy so when I heard that certain aerosols cause global warming I starting using anything with a gas that would cause greenhouse gasses. Me and the kids sometimes spend our days releasing Freon from old refrigerators and old A/C systems in the cars, use hair spray for no particular reason and feed the livestock things that cause more gas. It's a hobby. But we have no desire to move, only for it to be warm. We're winning! I seen Al Gore out at the gate but we never let him in. Had to call the dog out on him once, he never came back. Al, that is. The dog stayed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! So much for global warming! Oops, another hot topic these days! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance
Simply *67 if you call from your cell phone. Or if you're like me use the remote phone feature. You use your phone to call your work phone, then issue commands to have the work phone call someone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, I put a stop to that quick. The only number I've ever given is my office number. The bad thing about caller ID is they collect your cell number when you call them. To fix that, I got a second line and have no voicemail on it. LOL, you can always send them to rejectionhotline.com! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: To your house? Now that's just creepy. What I've always done is given them this number - 9375522343. It's a DID on L3 and routes to our switch. The switch and such makes it ring to my user, Josh Luthman. My user is built on a Cisco 79xx phone. If my phone is OOS it goes straight to my cell. If I don't answer it and I am not on the phone, it auto forwards to my cell. If I have it on DND straight to VM. I tell customers that one number is the only number you need is the main number, but if you need me specifically then call 2343 and I'll help you as soon as I can. On those special nights just tap the DND button and I'm disconnected. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Every customer had my cell number but it became way too much burden. Nothing like being interupted while enjoying a movie because theire laptop wont connect to their wireless router. Oh ya, I even got the proverbial my mouse wont work last week! My greeting even said, please call the office but everyone thinks they are special. So, after 5 years, I finally changed my cell number and force them to call into the office. Ah, life is sooo much better! Now, all I have to do is move so they stop coming to my house! -RickG On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule. Hmm.. 180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the office yet doing installs and such, on Sunday, well. Hanging sectors, running cable, walking around Home Depot looking for ideas on how to build the impossible, welding, drilling... And answering the cell phone! Vacation? I'm with ya. No vacation for ME for over 3 years yet the wife went to on one for almost a month last summer. And I continued having my flexible schedule. I hate the cell phone. HATE IT! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone number. We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ). Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a real vacation in almost 3 years. Some days, I just love what I do.Some days, I'm really tired of the grind. Is that variableness the same for everyone? -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Not About Health Insurance I kinda thought we might need a new thread that wasn't about Health Insurance. Look at me, I run a wireless internet company! That's all. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
Not intellectually dishonest in the slightest. David... Please read and apply your analytical - not your political - skills to the idea. Please note: Medicare, OR ANY OTHER SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM of anything cannot be anything but extremely disruptive of what's in place now.Further, politicians like to call profit greed.Whether it's the ISP business, or fixing broken legs, the exact same principle applies.Read it through... AS businessmen we fully can understand that there is simply NO WAY we could survive if the government forced us to provide services at a percentage of our costs.Not a percentage of our PRICES, but a percentage of our COSTS. I posted this, not because it was about medicare, which it was only vaguely, but about what happens when we decide that some service is a right, and Congress decides to make private enterprise pay for someone else's right. Whether it's medicare forcing doctors and hospitals to lose money to treat someone, or the FCC requiring us to service people at a loss, the problem is the same. Eventually, it results in severely degraded services, innovation stops, and we become calcified in a system where services are defined by what the government will subsidize, and there's no budget nor profit, to attempt to change anything. Does anyone not see the USF funding in this light, as well? Many players in the communications industry have business models built upon being paid FAR MORE than the retail price of their services. Not only do the consumers have no idea of the cost of providing services to them, they don't actually care.If these people had to earn their paychecks, by providing services AND making a profit from just their own revenues, their business models would change, efficiency would suddenly become important, and the consumer would be highly aware of the cost of the services they use - and use them less. Don't think it can't happen. When the cost of borrowing money suddenly skyrockets, you'd be amazed at what could end on the chopping block. In DC, flyover country doesn't matter nearly as much, and USF is all about flyover country. We keep seeing calls for the expansion of USF... Until some brighter than average beaurocrat or politician decides to make a name for himself - and either ends it, or changes it to a medicare style program with massive enforced discounts. Think of the billions and billions of taxpayer dollars saved. And think of those whose business models are built upon subsidy. The whole point here, is that any and all of us can perfectly understand what would happen to us if the government required us to provide services at a percentage of our costs. Who among us has infinitely deep pockets? NONE.If that model can't work in our industry, why would work for fixing broken legs, or giving flu shots? Arguments that you needing your leg set is more important than needing a fast internet connection would be true, but completely irrelevant. If you can't provide services at a fraction of your costs, how can a doctor? How can a hospital pay its bills? This is why we should be so incredibly careful about how frame our industry.What if we convince Congress that broadband is almost as essential as medicine, so they come up with the brilliant plan to Medicare us?Do you actually think that even a single politician in DC would lose one hour's sleep if all of us were put out of business? Nope. We could spend millions lobbying and hire PR firms and ingratiate ourselves with bigwigs in the beaurocracies endlessly, but that is all utterly pointless if the free market we all use is taken away. Politics is a foundation of shifting sand. What's in vogue one day is a swear word the next.The party's ideas in charge at the moment could change overnight, and long fought for foundations of rules, subsidies and systems could evaporate, leaving you... out of luck. WISPA should, above all else, advocate for the free market. Not entrenching our industry into the whims of the ever changing shifting sands of political wind.It should be defending, ABOVE ALL ELSE, freedom to operate. RUS funds, USF funds, subsidies, and whimsical notions like the possibility of committing a medicare upon our industry are all traps that can spell our doom.But if the free market survives, SO CAN WE. Every time I start reading about advocating on the part of RUS or USF funds, I get this image in my mind that I just can't shake... It's about sycophants hanging around movie stars, millionaires, etc, all seeking to ingratiate themselves...for money, or security, or whatever. We despise them in real life. I was hoping that people would apply the lessons of medical services to internet services... And vice versa, in order to more intelligently think about what we want... Is that asking too much? -- From:
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Hi Chuck! That is all of my cat5 running to the shack. I ran a steel cable and they are wire wrapped several spots on the wire. Look up the tower about 25 feet. Thats a 10 point rack and skull. :-) mg At 11:32 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: What's that fancy wrap on the leads to the tower? Are you hanging and freezing deer sausage on that cloths line? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
This wins post of the year for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That's my fault. I'm basically lazy so when I heard that certain aerosols cause global warming I starting using anything with a gas that would cause greenhouse gasses. Me and the kids sometimes spend our days releasing Freon from old refrigerators and old A/C systems in the cars, use hair spray for no particular reason and feed the livestock things that cause more gas. It's a hobby. But we have no desire to move, only for it to be warm. We're winning! I seen Al Gore out at the gate but we never let him in. Had to call the dog out on him once, he never came back. Al, that is. The dog stayed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! So much for global warming! Oops, another hot topic these days! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart. The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam inner had crushed until the whole cable began creeping out of the connector.It was cold, and even the shrink wrap had cracked, and the tape wrapped over that was just slowly stretching... -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Call me when you do. We can meet up if you like. Mike At 12:03 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: And the wonder pole is now ice Say it isn't so! I gotta go out to cedar rapids in a week or so. That sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
ur nuts! I was laughing so hard I had to read it to Elaine. ur nuts! At 12:35 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That's my fault. I'm basically lazy so when I heard that certain aerosols cause global warming I starting using anything with a gas that would cause greenhouse gasses. Me and the kids sometimes spend our days releasing Freon from old refrigerators and old A/C systems in the cars, use hair spray for no particular reason and feed the livestock things that cause more gas. It's a hobby. But we have no desire to move, only for it to be warm. We're winning! I seen Al Gore out at the gate but we never let him in. Had to call the dog out on him once, he never came back. Al, that is. The dog stayed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! So much for global warming! Oops, another hot topic these days! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
This is why I was kicked off and banned from Yahoo Answers. Somehow saying that there are no innocent casualties in Iraq because the US has been co-coordinating with Santa on who is naughty and nice and that has made sure that only the naughty were being killed was the last straw for them. Ah, happens I suppose. But it's true. Santa has been helping the US war effort, he's not the nice guy everyone thinks he is. And he's cancelled the health care plan for the elves, the dental plan was killing him. (The elves eat too much candy and won't cut back. He tried putting a 15% candy tax on all candy, they still managed to smuggle candy in.) So, no health coverage! Their own fault though. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! ur nuts! I was laughing so hard I had to read it to Elaine. ur nuts! At 12:35 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That's my fault. I'm basically lazy so when I heard that certain aerosols cause global warming I starting using anything with a gas that would cause greenhouse gasses. Me and the kids sometimes spend our days releasing Freon from old refrigerators and old A/C systems in the cars, use hair spray for no particular reason and feed the livestock things that cause more gas. It's a hobby. But we have no desire to move, only for it to be warm. We're winning! I seen Al Gore out at the gate but we never let him in. Had to call the dog out on him once, he never came back. Al, that is. The dog stayed. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! So much for global warming! Oops, another hot topic these days! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I just tried digging out a path for the animals to go back outside. It's fruitless. I have 4 and 5 foot drifts and the wind is gusting to 45 mph. With a 1/2 mile long lane and an old Ford with front loader, I'll be an entire day digging out. I won't even start until this wind subsides. That's my 180' freestanding tower on the property. It gets moving pretty good in strong winds. mg At 10:43 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: That may be what's going on but they looked steady when I was watching them, but I can't see both ends at the same time obviously. But that's a lot of deflection. I should have a better signal to begin with than the -72 or 73 is sits at, seeing as how it's a short straight shot. When I first put it in I was convinced I was connecting to a side lobe due to the signal but I never could get any better than that. I may be on one and that may explain it but I'll be darned if I could ever find out. Bob- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Here is something actually about Wireless- The Dude
Ralph, Create two Agent Profiles for the Remote Probes and then on each devie, tell it which agent to use. Mike On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM, rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I'm trying to implement The Dude as a method of monitoring inside a network's firewall/router (actually a hot spot portal) and have it working OK. It was a bear to get it figured out how get it to to use a remote probe or whatever they call another instance of Dude running on a box inside. Problem is when I try to monitor a second network, also with its own probe inside its portal. How do you tell the main Dude client to use 2 or more remote probes all the time and show them all on the same map? I plan to ask this on the MT list too, but I feel there are some very knowledgeable folks here. Ralph Brightlan.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Here is something actually about Wireless- The Dude
Question, will the Dude connect to a forwarded port or am I left with just SSH? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here is something actually about Wireless- The Dude Ralph, Create two Agent Profiles for the Remote Probes and then on each devie, tell it which agent to use. Mike On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM, rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I'm trying to implement The Dude as a method of monitoring inside a network's firewall/router (actually a hot spot portal) and have it working OK. It was a bear to get it figured out how get it to to use a remote probe or whatever they call another instance of Dude running on a box inside. Problem is when I try to monitor a second network, also with its own probe inside its portal. How do you tell the main Dude client to use 2 or more remote probes all the time and show them all on the same map? I plan to ask this on the MT list too, but I feel there are some very knowledgeable folks here. Ralph Brightlan.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
Hello, Yep, I see it now. Nice write up. It is so good I can see the government them implementing it. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:00 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare You, my friend, are an intelligent and thoughtful person. Now, please go and read the disclaimer at the bottom of the original post :) -- From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare Hello, Someone pitch me please. You have got to be kidding me right... So our lowest package is $39.99 a month. The max I would get is $16/month if I am lucky. Our lowest package use to be $59/month. When that was the lowest package, we had very little tech support calls that where a waste of our time. Most people that could afford the $59/month plan where somewhat computer savvy or at least educated enough to know when we said it was not a problem with our service they believed us. We then came out with a $39/month plan. Yes we added more customers, but man did our support calls go up and the dumb ones shot through the roof. The clients became more unreasonable and if I had to guess take up about 80% of my companies time dealing with them while they only make up 35% of our customer revenue. This seems like a very bad deal for the ISP for sure. I know I will not sign up for it until I have to unless they are talking about us getting a huge and I mean huge setup fee. If you can afford to have a computer or 2 or 3, I would think you can afford to pay for Internet. Shot most people on this plan would most likely have a better car then I drive. It all comes down to what you want to spend your money. Next they will make the ISP provide the Computer and all warranty work on it for free. I am all for helping the disadvantaged and we do on a case by case bases, but being forced to provide service to clients that I know I will be losing money each month on does not seem right. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare After long debate, it has been determined that the reason the US lags behind other countries is that it costs too much, and people need help... so, here's the new solution. Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to everyone. Here's how it works: There's a simple, 4 page application process, where you list your internet usage, your computer ownership, your current broadband (or lack of), and the need in your household for broadband. When you sign up, the application is free, and when you get your letter of acceptance from the NetCare administration, you can then obtain broadband for a small, set fee. While the fee may vary according to how many computers and your apparent need for broadband, it will not be more than $6 per month, nor less than $2.Once you enroll, you may then take your NetCare enrollment ID to any participating internet service provider, who will provide you service. ISP's, this is a wonderful opportunity for you. Here's a chance to gain a dramatic increase in the number of customers, by advertising that you accept NetCare. Enrollment is quite simple.Provide 4 years of tax filings, and a complete audit of the costs of your operation using GAAP. Or, enroll for NetCare Express.If you choose NetCare Express, your cost of providing service will be estimated according to regional averages and you will be compensated 60% of the estimated costs of providing broadband up to 40% of your published rates. In no case will this be greater than 40% of your retail price.If you choose standard NetCare enrollment, you will be compensated according to your actual costs by multiplying your costs by a sliding scale of .3 to .7, depending on the profitability of your company, whether you hire veterans, and whether you use SEIU wage and benefit scale for your employees.If your company has an overall profitability greater than 5% of gross receipts, if you do not pay union scale to your employees and have no veterans on staff, and have a low percentage of employees with a Bachelor's degree or higher, your maximum reimbursement will be 30% of your costs. Each item of compliance raises your reimbursement percentage by 10 percent. Enrollment in NetCare is currently optional, but if the rate of broadband acceptance by consumers doesn't reach the target goal of 90% set by Congress in 2 years, NetCare enrollment
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
You can run GigE over 5e. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:13 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 21:18, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses to stream to everyone in the house. I think the business customers would be more interesting than the home users. Most home users, you can speak plainly to them and point out that unless they're streaming a half-dozen HD videos at once, 100Mbps is all they need. (And of course their upstream connection is just a tiny fraction of that 100Mbps anyway. If they still want to spend more money than they need to, hey, it's their money.) I'd love something like this in my office, to be honest. My office only has 100Mbps wiring, and it'd be annoying (and probably cost-prohibitive) to re-do twenty-some-odd cable runs with Cat6. If I could buy one new AP and a dozen wireless adapters, and get all the benefits of a faster LAN, I'd be sorely tempted. I know I've run into the limits of 100Mbps more and more as time goes on, especially with using things like VMware internally, where moving files that are tens of gigabytes is not uncommon. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 14:11, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You can run GigE over 5e. Not reliably, in my experience. Longer runs are more likely only to negotiate up to 100Mbps. I know it often works, but I wouldn't want to depend on that. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] an epic storm
I'm not sure how this storm is affecting my fellow midwest WISP friends, but it is turning into an epic event here. Snow has drifted above the windows on a couple sides of the house. Winds are 35 mph sustained gusting to 50. It is still snowing, and we've had 14 - 16 inches of snow. It's 10 degrees outside. The thermometer above my shoulder reads 75 inside. You have to love wood heat. It will take me all day tomorrow to dig out I'm sure. I dug out a path for the three legged dog to go out and pee, and it's drifted in. Epic. I hope you're all safe, warm and secure. mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] an epic storm
Good Luck and be safe Mike. I could mow the grass here in Northeastern Indiana, but it is too wet and windy for that ;) Besides, it isn't growing anyways! We must have been south of the snow line this time, but we probably won't be the next time. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] an epic storm I'm not sure how this storm is affecting my fellow midwest WISP friends, but it is turning into an epic event here. Snow has drifted above the windows on a couple sides of the house. Winds are 35 mph sustained gusting to 50. It is still snowing, and we've had 14 - 16 inches of snow. It's 10 degrees outside. The thermometer above my shoulder reads 75 inside. You have to love wood heat. It will take me all day tomorrow to dig out I'm sure. I dug out a path for the three legged dog to go out and pee, and it's drifted in. Epic. I hope you're all safe, warm and secure. mg --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.100/2554 - Release Date: 12/09/09 07:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
Ah! Lost it! Customer just called and I forgot about it. Yep, link be gone! Nice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart. The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam inner had crushed until the whole cable began creeping out of the connector.It was cold, and even the shrink wrap had cracked, and the tape wrapped over that was just slowly stretching... -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] an epic storm
So far just a bunch of wind and one AP down. I'll take only wind over what you have out there! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] an epic storm I'm not sure how this storm is affecting my fellow midwest WISP friends, but it is turning into an epic event here. Snow has drifted above the windows on a couple sides of the house. Winds are 35 mph sustained gusting to 50. It is still snowing, and we've had 14 - 16 inches of snow. It's 10 degrees outside. The thermometer above my shoulder reads 75 inside. You have to love wood heat. It will take me all day tomorrow to dig out I'm sure. I dug out a path for the three legged dog to go out and pee, and it's drifted in. Epic. I hope you're all safe, warm and secure. mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] an epic storm
That's why we left Algona back in 1982. My parents hate that we won't make the trip there for Christmas anymore. July, no problem, opening day of pheasant season, no problem. But we went back in '87 and got snowed in for a week. Couldn't go anywhere, couldn't do anything for a week. Huh. I guess I do miss it after all. Dave Mike wrote: I'm not sure how this storm is affecting my fellow midwest WISP friends, but it is turning into an epic event here. Snow has drifted above the windows on a couple sides of the house. Winds are 35 mph sustained gusting to 50. It is still snowing, and we've had 14 - 16 inches of snow. It's 10 degrees outside. The thermometer above my shoulder reads 75 inside. You have to love wood heat. It will take me all day tomorrow to dig out I'm sure. I dug out a path for the three legged dog to go out and pee, and it's drifted in. Epic. I hope you're all safe, warm and secure. mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
