Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Interesting, do you have a link to any information about the State Ed network? Sounds like one I should chase down. Are you a CLEC or any other such entity or like me, a WISP that has built their business by providing quality service to rural parts of the State? Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, the largest and most successful state network of its kind in the nation. They have a form to apply with and I am in the process now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Have you ever been able to compare your pricing to that of their commercial network? My pricing is easily 50% of Qwest's inflated pricing. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In California, the educational institutions formed an organization called The Corporation for Education Network Initiatives in California (CENIC) http://www.cenic.org/. CENIC designed, built and operates a fiber network that connects to public and private K-20 institutions. They claim that the cost to connect to their network is 50% of comparable commercial networks. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail breaking. I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be). However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me) the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV. Chuck On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote: Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin, Thanks for that link. It looks like you are being heard. I would say "keep it up" - keep meeting with those legislators. Meeting with local reporters and emphasizing the cost (and cost-savings) angle should be a powerful argument in your favor. jack Kevin Owen wrote: Hi Jack, Oh ya, the fix is in to be sure. I watered down the information to try and be brief and to the point. We have been fighting for a while and the standard seems to be constantly shifting. We, myself and other local ISP's, were just at the State Capitol yesterday in front of the Legislators and Administration to have a discussion. Today it was announced they were going to hold off on a decision to continue moving the budget forward until they can gather a bit more information. If you are interested, here is the newest of a growing number of articles about the situation. http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/03/11/1114092/idaho-agency-budget-delayed-amid.html Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom line" to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
We love the product, and use it whenever we have the choice. They've been very reliable. The only missing aspect is that they don't have a mechanical PTZ camera, so you're limited to maybe 5X zoom before you start to see degradation. But the wireless-friendly compression system, megapixel resolution and low power draw are great. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic) I have looked @ these guys - recently in fact ... just was not sure how reliable they are... Sure love the sound of the technology... the H.264 stuff requires a ton of processing power... this seems to get around a ton of that :-) On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: Specifically the Mobotix Q24: http://www.radiussecurityinc.com/Videos/Review-Mobotix-Q24-Hemispherica.html Tom S. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic) Mobotix FTW. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
Mobotix ? -- Original Message -- From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:12:10 -0500 On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Other than being able to put paid apps on a jailbroken iPhone, my favorite app is Backgrounder. It comes in handy soo much. If you don't know what it does, you hold the home button when you're in an app and it puts the app in the background so it will keep running. To actually quite the app you go into it again, hold the home button and it will close the proc. You can tell an app is running in the background because it will have a little black circle on the icon. Very useful app. Also iStat to free up memory occasionally. I dig the tethering when I'm out and about. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail breaking. I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be). However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me) the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV. Chuck On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote: Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
www.illinois.net I am just a regular rural WISP, nothing fancy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Interesting, do you have a link to any information about the State Ed network? Sounds like one I should chase down. Are you a CLEC or any other such entity or like me, a WISP that has built their business by providing quality service to rural parts of the State? Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, the largest and most successful state network of its kind in the nation. They have a form to apply with and I am in the process now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
The moto problem in San Juan was gear that was probably tampered with to operate outside it's intended band. That's what got them in trouble. If it were the right equipment for the job, the operator could have fixed it to play nicer. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:25:45AM -0500, Blair Davis wrote: A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC’s Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC’s first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address “it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis.” Broadband connection testing isn’t new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn’t forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband “Dead Zone” by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius-genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What’s Broadband? Asks the FCC * Broadband http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/broadband-is-this-generations-highway-system-fcc-director-says/ Is This Generation’s Highway System, FCC Chief Says * Cost, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/fcc-broadband-report/ Crotchetiness Keep Broadband Out of 1/3 of U.S. Homes * @USA: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/usa-were-writing-the-national-broadband-plan/ We’re Writing the National Broadband Plan! Things you can do from here: * Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
www.inscapedata.com marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic) I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Any ones you can recommend from experience would be appreciated. If you have not used it please don't recommend it. Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
What does your local congressman have to say about this? marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HD Video across Wireless?
How many HD Channels? 720p, 1080i? Is there coax running through the community? Just as a thought exercise, I may get a few HD ATSC Hardware Cards, some hefty boxes, and use VLC to convert the video into a multicast stream, bridge it across the lake/valley, and reconstitute it into something useful on the other end. Depending on how much bandwidth you can get (More the better + future growth), probably looking at at 100MPS link. (If you decide to compress the channels to lets say 15mbps). I heard for awhile that my local cable company was using Winboxes + VLC and Video Capture cards to encode and distribute the analog video for their digital STB for awhile. (Unknown source) -Israel AJ wrote: Any suggestions for carrying HD Video (ATSC over-the-air) across IP wireless? We're trying to bridge coverage in to a community that literally sits at the base of a ridge line, blocking direct OTA reception. We already pull down the standard definition content by satellite; the local broadcasters however are not carried in HD. I do have a site that has line of sight to both OTA broadcasters (about 50 miles away) and the valley where the headend is (about 2 miles across a lake). Anyone encounter a need to stream video like this? We've looked at ASI transport across fiber but our lowest bid was almost 28k... Not quite in the scope of the budget for the project. Suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Marlon, I assume you are asking that question of me. While I can't speak for my State representatives, they have been very engaged in the discussion and are asking some difficult questions of the State Admin / IT. It isn't yet clear what if anything can be done about this now, but it appears the ongoing funding for the project may be in jeopardy. Lots of heated discussions seem to be occurring at the State Capitol over this issue. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? What does your local congressman have to say about this? marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
I had the chance to befriend a high-school IT guy (Quite stellar IT guy too), and I learned a lot from the processes there. The education system in CA will historically go for Wired/Fiber based plants. Usually due to FUD, about security, reliability, blah blah blah. I hope you can get them to change their mind, especially considering the price difference. Their big hang up may be a political opponent who may respond to any 'public' network problems as: You see, you get what you pay for, you were cheap and tried (gasp) wireless! Out here in California, most is T1s/fiber direct into local network hubs those are usually school districts-HQs (smaller loops that way), then those link up to a bigger regional hub, and finally to the main hub; access to the internet originates from a single point for the whole network (afaik, I only know so-cal education nets). They do this so they can implement district wide/state wide filtering, management, etc,. -Israel Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
Hmmm, Didn't the site specifically say that it wouldn't? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC’s Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC’s first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address “it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis.” Broadband connection testing isn’t new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn’t forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband “Dead Zone” by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius-genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What’s Broadband? Asks the FCC * Broadband http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/broadband-is-this-generations-highway-system-fcc-director-says/ Is This Generation’s Highway System, FCC Chief Says * Cost,
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
As it should be. Someone needs to check out the kind of house the IT guy lives in and what kind of car he has :-). Something here stinks to high heaven. Perhaps the telco hired a hooker for him and has pictures? grin Things that go down like this always make my blood boil. The SOB's sure wouldn't do what they are doing if it were THEIR money that was being spent! jerks Keep up the pressure Kevin. And do like I do. Forget about the government jobs as much as possible. Things rarely rely on a level playing field. There is clearly a LOT of corruption or ineptitude at work. I love my small businesses and home users. They can be more work than I like, but they are normally very loyal. good luck marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Marlon, I assume you are asking that question of me. While I can't speak for my State representatives, they have been very engaged in the discussion and are asking some difficult questions of the State Admin / IT. It isn't yet clear what if anything can be done about this now, but it appears the ongoing funding for the project may be in jeopardy. Lots of heated discussions seem to be occurring at the State Capitol over this issue. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? What does your local congressman have to say about this? marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
We don't, but were involved in the most recent in Maine. Back quite a while ago, when the network was first built, the BELL LEC (I don't rember what name they went by that year), was fined $20 million for overcharging rate payers. Instead of paying the fine, they suggested the state should have an educational network to link the schools together with Internet and so forth. Wonder of wonders, they received the whole project when it went to bid and built that instead of paying the fine. This allowed the LEC to build a Frame Relay and ATM network all over the state; sort of dead tech from the beginning. After the ongoing costs had exhausted the value of the fine some years later, we got a new charge on our phone bills to cover ongoing operations of the network. The schools have been using 56k leased lines, T1s, bonded T1s, and if they pay a bunch extra, ATM links. ISPs could provide the services, but would only get about $50/mo per location to serve a school/library, far less than the wholesale cost of what was installed by the LEC. Lots of people grumbled about this for a long time. Fast forward to present. They put out a new RFP for a new network based on ethernet speeds and IP: http://www.maine.edu/strategic/upcoming_bids-list.php?id=10 Incumbents, CLECs, Cable, and various ISPs participated in the process. The variety of parties at the required RFP meeting and email discussion was a who's who meeting of the minds which I'm sure sharpened the proposals a bit. The cable company won the bid for the uplink. The links to the schools and libraries were awarded to combination of a major Maine CLEC, the Bell LEC, and the cable company. We made a proposal for a portion, but didn't get picked for our parts of the project. Our participation and submission of a proposal keeps us on the list as a potential vendor if the chosen vendor is unable to do everything on their list of sites, or if a school or library needs a legitimate upgrade that the chosen vendor can not provide in a timely and affordable means. As a business I was a little dissapointed not to be among the chosen because of the hard work involved in preparing a proposal. As a business and individual tax payer, I was very pleased this costly and important project is now going to be operated in a more competitive manner. It will cost less than the old network and be a whole lost faster and more useful because of actual competition between broadband technologies and facilities owners. It should be more reliable too. There were times in the past when most of the network went down because of a central LEC problem. The new network I suspect will be more resilient like the Internet operates. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:17:05PM -0800, Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
how do you access the shell? do I need to jailbreak ? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In Indiana it's even more interesting. The state bid out control of the state networks years ago and a Tennessee Company ENA.com won and now controls all the public school network funding. We have 5 School corp.'s in the county and I have networks towers within a mile from each. But since I am not a telco or supply a fiber line they get each of the school's 2-5 T1's from Verizon @ $485/ T1. I offered a 10meg connection to each interconnecting all the schools and I cant even get a call back from ENA. Talking to the local schools just gets a phone number to call ENA. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Funny thing, ENA is the company out here that is partnered with Qwest to provide the management and ERATE funding applications. They are getting a fixed $1,047/school/month for their services. That is going to total ~$1.5million/year for management. Unbelievable. I think Qwest and ENA are partnering up all over the country to provide this sort of service. It should be criminal the amount of money that is being charged to ERATE and the tax payers when other more competitive options are available. They get away with the overcharging to ERATE by writing an RFP that only Qwest and ENA can win and then the schools are protected from the typical competitive bidding for the ERATE jobs. Perhaps we should write and file formal complaints with the FCC concerning the overcharging for services. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In Indiana it's even more interesting. The state bid out control of the state networks years ago and a Tennessee Company ENA.com won and now controls all the public school network funding. We have 5 School corp.'s in the county and I have networks towers within a mile from each. But since I am not a telco or supply a fiber line they get each of the school's 2-5 T1's from Verizon @ $485/ T1. I offered a 10meg connection to each interconnecting all the schools and I cant even get a call back from ENA. Talking to the local schools just gets a phone number to call ENA. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Heck, I tethered my Nextel 6 years ago! I'm really disappointed my current phone won't tether as my last did. I sure hope my next one can... 3G\4G HTC Android based. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail breaking. I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be). However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me) the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV. Chuck On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote: Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
I didn't read it, I immediately saw the test here button and clicked it. No time to read all of their crap. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm, Didn't the site specifically say that it wouldn't? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC’s Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC’s first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address “it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis.” Broadband connection testing isn’t new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn’t forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband “Dead Zone” by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
...Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010... WTF Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation's broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations' telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC's Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC's first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis. Broadband connection testing isn't new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn't forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband Dead Zone by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius -genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What's Broadband? Asks the FCC * Broadband http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/broadband-is-this-generations-highwa y-system-fcc-director-says/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
Typo... it's 2020. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds ...Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010... WTF Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation's broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations' telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC's Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC's first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis. Broadband connection testing isn't new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn't forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband Dead Zone by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Jerry, Yes you need to jailbreak. Jailbreaking basically gives you access to the underlying OS rather then being tied to the pretty skined app on top of it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: how do you access the shell? do I need to jailbreak ? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I have found that using the app Mocha VNC, is much easier than using the others I have tried. just VNC back to your computer and or server and you have ALL your tools. But if the back haul is dead, net book / lap top time. But I do find I very seldom pull them out. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail breaking. I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be). However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me) the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV. Chuck On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote: Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
We hadn't really planned on it, because the cost is a bit high for what it does. We just have the boards printed and attach components ourselves. Total cost of each board is roughly $150 when it is all said and done, mostly because everything is small quantity. We use them on every tower though. With one of these paired with a 493AH, I can power a tower with six sectors and two backhaul links from a single point on the tower top. I use a single 350W 24 or 48 v power supply at the bottom with a single run of cat-5 up the tower. Hit me off list and I'll send some pics if you want. Presently we are redesigning the board layout to have top facing ethernet ports (they were side facing before and it makes it difficult to get the connectors in and out if your box is small and the things are close) and that is why I was asking about the leds. I thought since I'm redesigning the board, I might try to make it capable of power cycling too, but looks like this may get a little to time consuming and beyond my current knowledge level. Cameron n 3/11/2010 11:45 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Are you going to sell these? I have been looking for something like this to do repeater sites with. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:53:17 -0600 That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex and expensive part. Cameron On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] HD Video across Wireless?
At this point, there are a total of (6) ATSC carriers we're trying to pull down in 1080i. Once they're over on the other side of the lake, we can use narrowcast transmitters back from our old headend site back to the new headend where it can be distributed across fiber to the nodes then coax back in to the community. Know of any off the shelf options for ATSC or even just native HDMI/DVI HD video in to IP out? Windows Box *might* work but the concern would be failure in the winter where it would be located - either helo or snow cat to access October-May... On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: How many HD Channels? 720p, 1080i? Is there coax running through the community? Just as a thought exercise, I may get a few HD ATSC Hardware Cards, some hefty boxes, and use VLC to convert the video into a multicast stream, bridge it across the lake/valley, and reconstitute it into something useful on the other end. Depending on how much bandwidth you can get (More the better + future growth), probably looking at at 100MPS link. (If you decide to compress the channels to lets say 15mbps). I heard for awhile that my local cable company was using Winboxes + VLC and Video Capture cards to encode and distribute the analog video for their digital STB for awhile. (Unknown source) -Israel AJ wrote: Any suggestions for carrying HD Video (ATSC over-the-air) across IP wireless? We're trying to bridge coverage in to a community that literally sits at the base of a ridge line, blocking direct OTA reception. We already pull down the standard definition content by satellite; the local broadcasters however are not carried in HD. I do have a site that has line of sight to both OTA broadcasters (about 50 miles away) and the valley where the headend is (about 2 miles across a lake). Anyone encounter a need to stream video like this? We've looked at ASI transport across fiber but our lowest bid was almost 28k... Not quite in the scope of the budget for the project. Suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Sorry to hijack thread but hey its Friday :) First picture is cool - http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/03/10/eyepoppers-best-science-photos-week?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r4:c0.00:b0:z5 -RickG On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
WTF=What the Fankhauser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: ...Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010... WTF Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds It works just fine in Chrome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:10 PM To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation's broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations' telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC's Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC's first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis. Broadband connection testing isn't new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn't forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband Dead Zone by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius -genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What's Broadband? Asks the
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] here it come$
The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
One of the reports said 5.61GHz but I'd rather not assume that's what they all operate at. Is there a way to find out or somebody to contact? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
The TDWR (Terminal Doppler Weather Radars) operate between 5600 and 5650. Dylan Bouterse wrote: One of the reports said 5.61GHz but I'd rather not assume that's what they all operate at. Is there a way to find out or somebody to contact? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
All clear! Thanks. :) Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The TDWR (Terminal Doppler Weather Radars) operate between 5600 and 5650. Dylan Bouterse wrote: One of the reports said 5.61GHz but I'd rather not assume that's what they all operate at. Is there a way to find out or somebody to contact? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Eric, That is a very responsible position to take. The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others). WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible) on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready. Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) Eric Rogers wrote: Jack, Who do I contact to get on the list? I am like 5 miles from one of the TDWR radar sites. We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly has more updated signatures. I would rather get on the list voluntarily than they find me. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 02:38:44PM -0500, Larry Yunker wrote: RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. My understanding is that ESPN is the 800 pound gorilla here. You can't sell non-basic cable if you don't have ESPN. ESPN is reported to get $4/customer/month from the cable companies for providing the television programming it does. Things like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/business/media/29cable.html happen all the time where the broadcasters and operators can't agree over money and threaten to shut off your favorite channels. A cable company might be persuaded to get espn360 to hedge their position incase they were afraid of hardball negotiations over their cable channel costs. It wounldn't be all or nothing with ESPN if they offered espn360. If they can't provide something, the customers will go straight to dish or directv. I'm not sticking up for the cable companies here. Those participating might also see the Internet as simply a conduit for proprietary and costly entertainment, which is a travesty in it's own right. That is something to rant about. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HD Video across Wireless?
Well, This looks promising, I did a google search for ATSC to IP. http://www.computermodules.com/broadcast-systems/8VSB-ATSC-to-IP.html -Israel AJ wrote: At this point, there are a total of (6) ATSC carriers we're trying to pull down in 1080i. Once they're over on the other side of the lake, we can use narrowcast transmitters back from our old headend site back to the new headend where it can be distributed across fiber to the nodes then coax back in to the community. Know of any off the shelf options for ATSC or even just native HDMI/DVI HD video in to IP out? Windows Box *might* work but the concern would be failure in the winter where it would be located - either helo or snow cat to access October-May... On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: How many HD Channels? 720p, 1080i? Is there coax running through the community? Just as a thought exercise, I may get a few HD ATSC Hardware Cards, some hefty boxes, and use VLC to convert the video into a multicast stream, bridge it across the lake/valley, and reconstitute it into something useful on the other end. Depending on how much bandwidth you can get (More the better + future growth), probably looking at at 100MPS link. (If you decide to compress the channels to lets say 15mbps). I heard for awhile that my local cable company was using Winboxes + VLC and Video Capture cards to encode and distribute the analog video for their digital STB for awhile. (Unknown source) -Israel AJ wrote: Any suggestions for carrying HD Video (ATSC over-the-air) across IP wireless? We're trying to bridge coverage in to a community that literally sits at the base of a ridge line, blocking direct OTA reception. We already pull down the standard definition content by satellite; the local broadcasters however are not carried in HD. I do have a site that has line of sight to both OTA broadcasters (about 50 miles away) and the valley where the headend is (about 2 miles across a lake). Anyone encounter a need to stream video like this? We've looked at ASI transport across fiber but our lowest bid was almost 28k... Not quite in the scope of the budget for the project. Suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HD Video across Wireless?
Now we're cooking with butter :) I sent off a contact request to them - a bit late for a Friday afternoon but hopefully I'll hear back from them sometime next week... I did take a look at the K-Flex products - ATSC in/ASI and/or GigE out... But at a cost of about 3k per device (which means I would need 10 of them)... On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Well, This looks promising, I did a google search for ATSC to IP. http://www.computermodules.com/broadcast-systems/8VSB-ATSC-to-IP.html -Israel AJ wrote: At this point, there are a total of (6) ATSC carriers we're trying to pull down in 1080i. Once they're over on the other side of the lake, we can use narrowcast transmitters back from our old headend site back to the new headend where it can be distributed across fiber to the nodes then coax back in to the community. Know of any off the shelf options for ATSC or even just native HDMI/DVI HD video in to IP out? Windows Box *might* work but the concern would be failure in the winter where it would be located - either helo or snow cat to access October-May... On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: How many HD Channels? 720p, 1080i? Is there coax running through the community? Just as a thought exercise, I may get a few HD ATSC Hardware Cards, some hefty boxes, and use VLC to convert the video into a multicast stream, bridge it across the lake/valley, and reconstitute it into something useful on the other end. Depending on how much bandwidth you can get (More the better + future growth), probably looking at at 100MPS link. (If you decide to compress the channels to lets say 15mbps). I heard for awhile that my local cable company was using Winboxes + VLC and Video Capture cards to encode and distribute the analog video for their digital STB for awhile. (Unknown source) -Israel AJ wrote: Any suggestions for carrying HD Video (ATSC over-the-air) across IP wireless? We're trying to bridge coverage in to a community that literally sits at the base of a ridge line, blocking direct OTA reception. We already pull down the standard definition content by satellite; the local broadcasters however are not carried in HD. I do have a site that has line of sight to both OTA broadcasters (about 50 miles away) and the valley where the headend is (about 2 miles across a lake). Anyone encounter a need to stream video like this? We've looked at ASI transport across fiber but our lowest bid was almost 28k... Not quite in the scope of the budget for the project. Suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
Oh, don't suggest that! Every time someone suggests WISPA do some collective bargaining, someone cries that isn't what WISPA does... but no valid reason why it can't. Yes, I cry every time that WISPA should. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1984/picture3vs8.png And that is all I have to say about that... ryan On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Oh, don't suggest that! Every time someone suggests WISPA do some collective bargaining, someone cries that isn't what WISPA does... but no valid reason why it can't. Yes, I cry every time that WISPA should. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
sad,but it reminds me of the post bb days,and from a wisp standpoint..i can appreciate it! --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 9:13 PM http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1984/picture3vs8.png And that is all I have to say about that... ryan On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Oh, don't suggest that! Every time someone suggests WISPA do some collective bargaining, someone cries that isn't what WISPA does... but no valid reason why it can't. Yes, I cry every time that WISPA should. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
aol,prodigy,blue light...anyone remember??? --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 9:13 PM http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1984/picture3vs8.png And that is all I have to say about that... ryan On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Oh, don't suggest that! Every time someone suggests WISPA do some collective bargaining, someone cries that isn't what WISPA does... but no valid reason why it can't. Yes, I cry every time that WISPA should. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
As a follow up, I found out why I havent had any ESPN360 requests before now. This request came from a business account that uses my public ip addresses. My residential subs are proxied out and show up on my Time Warner IP. Since Time Warner is on the ESPN list, it works. And I was all excited to switch everyone to my IP addys. Maybe not such a good idea now! -RickG On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:57 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
You can't just get espn360, you have to subscribe to the entire ESPN Broadband Bundle today, which consists of ESPN360, ABCNews Broadband, Disney Connection and SOAPNETIC. You have to offer to every customer that has at least 256k down, which for most would be all customers and for 2010 the cost is over .30 per sub. It's a long term contract and the prices go up each year. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
