[WISPA] From Today's WSJ...hope this doesn't offend anyone...seems to be pretty straightforward reporting with minimal opinion
New U.S. Push to Regulate Internet Access By AMY SCHATZ WASHINGTON-In a move that will stoke a battle over the future of the Internet, the federal government plans to propose regulating broadband lines under decades-old rules designed for traditional phone networks. The decision, by Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski, is likely to trigger a vigorous lobbying battle, arraying big phone and cable companies and their allies on Capitol Hill against Silicon Valley giants and consumer advocates. Breaking a deadlock within his agency, Mr. Genachowski is expected Thursday to outline his plan for regulating broadband lines. He wants to adopt net neutrality rules that require Internet providers like Comcast Corp. and ATT Inc. to treat all traffic equally, and not to slow or block access to websites. The decision has been eagerly awaited since a federal appeals court ruling last month cast doubt on the FCC's authority over broadband lines, throwing into question Mr. Genachowski's proposal to set new rules for how Internet traffic is managed. The court ruled the FCC had overstepped when it cited Comcast in 2008 for slowing some customers' Internet traffic. In a nod to such concerns, the FCC said in a statement that Mr. Genachowski wouldn't apply the full brunt of existing phone regulations to Internet lines and that he would set meaningful boundaries to guard against regulatory overreach. Some senior Democratic lawmakers provided Mr. Genachowski with political cover for his decision Wednesday, suggesting they wouldn't be opposed to the FCC taking the re-regulation route towards net neutrality protections. The Commission should consider all viable options, wrote Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, W.V.), chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Rep. Henry Waxman (D, Calif.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, in a letter. At stake is how far the FCC can go to dictate the way Internet providers manage traffic on their multibillion-dollar networks. For the past decade or so, the FCC has maintained a mostly hands-off approach to Internet regulation. Internet giants like Google Inc., Amazon.com Inc. and eBay Inc., which want to offer more Web video and other high-bandwidth services, have called for stronger action by the FCC to assure free access to websites. Cable and telecommunications executives have warned that using land-line phone rules to govern their management of Internet traffic would lead them to cut billions of capital expenditure for their networks, slash jobs and go to court to fight the rules. Consumer groups hailed the decision Wednesday, an abrupt change from recent days, when they'd bombarded the FCC chairman with emails and phone calls imploring him to fight phone and cable companies lobbyists. On the surface it looks like a win for Internet companies, said Rebecca Arbogast, an analyst with Stifel Nicolaus. A lot will depend on the details of how this gets implemented. Mr. Genachowski's proposal will have to go through a modified inquiry and rule-making process that will likely take months of public comment. But Ms. Arbogast said the rule is likely to be passed since it has the support of the two other Democratic commissioners. President Barack Obama vowed during his campaign to support regulation to promote so-called net neutrality, and received significant campaign contributions from Silicon Valley. Mr. Genachowski, a Harvard Law School buddy of the president, proposed new net neutrality rules as his first major action as FCC chairman. Telecom executives say privately that limits on their ability to change pricing would make it harder to convince shareholders that the returns from spending billions of dollars on improving a network are worth the cost. Carriers fear further regulation could handcuff their ability to cope with the growing demand put on their networks by the explosion in Internet and wireless data traffic. In particular, they worry that the FCC will require them to share their networks with rivals at government-regulated rates. Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Bill Clinton and co-chair of the Arts + Labs Coalition, an industry group representing technology companies, telecom companies and content providers, said the FCC needs to assert some authority to back up the general net neutrality principles it outlined in 2005. The question is how heavy a hand will the regulatory touch be, he said. We don't know yet, so the devil is in the details. The network operators have to be able to treat some traffic on the Internet different than other traffic-most people agree that web video is different than an email to grandma. You have to discriminate in some fashion. UBS analyst John Hodulik said the cable companies and carriers were likely to fight this in court for years and could accelerate their plans to wind down investment in their broadband networks. You could have regulators involved in every facet of providing
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ...hope this doesn't offend anyone...seems to be pretty straightforward reporting with minimal opinion
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703961104575226583645448758.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net wrote: New U.S. Push to Regulate Internet Access By AMY SCHATZ WASHINGTON-In a move that will stoke a battle over the future of the Internet, the federal government plans to propose regulating broadband lines under decades-old rules designed for traditional phone networks. The decision, by Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski, is likely to trigger a vigorous lobbying battle, arraying big phone and cable companies and their allies on Capitol Hill against Silicon Valley giants and consumer advocates. Breaking a deadlock within his agency, Mr. Genachowski is expected Thursday to outline his plan for regulating broadband lines. He wants to adopt net neutrality rules that require Internet providers like Comcast Corp. and ATT Inc. to treat all traffic equally, and not to slow or block access to websites. The decision has been eagerly awaited since a federal appeals court ruling last month cast doubt on the FCC's authority over broadband lines, throwing into question Mr. Genachowski's proposal to set new rules for how Internet traffic is managed. The court ruled the FCC had overstepped when it cited Comcast in 2008 for slowing some customers' Internet traffic. In a nod to such concerns, the FCC said in a statement that Mr. Genachowski wouldn't apply the full brunt of existing phone regulations to Internet lines and that he would set meaningful boundaries to guard against regulatory overreach. Some senior Democratic lawmakers provided Mr. Genachowski with political cover for his decision Wednesday, suggesting they wouldn't be opposed to the FCC taking the re-regulation route towards net neutrality protections. The Commission should consider all viable options, wrote Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, W.V.), chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Rep. Henry Waxman (D, Calif.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, in a letter. At stake is how far the FCC can go to dictate the way Internet providers manage traffic on their multibillion-dollar networks. For the past decade or so, the FCC has maintained a mostly hands-off approach to Internet regulation. Internet giants like Google Inc., Amazon.com Inc. and eBay Inc., which want to offer more Web video and other high-bandwidth services, have called for stronger action by the FCC to assure free access to websites. Cable and telecommunications executives have warned that using land-line phone rules to govern their management of Internet traffic would lead them to cut billions of capital expenditure for their networks, slash jobs and go to court to fight the rules. Consumer groups hailed the decision Wednesday, an abrupt change from recent days, when they'd bombarded the FCC chairman with emails and phone calls imploring him to fight phone and cable companies lobbyists. On the surface it looks like a win for Internet companies, said Rebecca Arbogast, an analyst with Stifel Nicolaus. A lot will depend on the details of how this gets implemented. Mr. Genachowski's proposal will have to go through a modified inquiry and rule-making process that will likely take months of public comment. But Ms. Arbogast said the rule is likely to be passed since it has the support of the two other Democratic commissioners. President Barack Obama vowed during his campaign to support regulation to promote so-called net neutrality, and received significant campaign contributions from Silicon Valley. Mr. Genachowski, a Harvard Law School buddy of the president, proposed new net neutrality rules as his first major action as FCC chairman. Telecom executives say privately that limits on their ability to change pricing would make it harder to convince shareholders that the returns from spending billions of dollars on improving a network are worth the cost. Carriers fear further regulation could handcuff their ability to cope with the growing demand put on their networks by the explosion in Internet and wireless data traffic. In particular, they worry that the FCC will require them to share their networks with rivals at government-regulated rates. Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Bill Clinton and co-chair of the Arts + Labs Coalition, an industry group representing technology companies, telecom companies and content providers, said the FCC needs to assert some authority to back up the general net neutrality principles it outlined in 2005. The question is how heavy a hand will the regulatory touch be, he said. We don't know yet, so the devil is in the details. The network operators have to be able to
[WISPA] Alright, whodunit?
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/92972524.html A fire tower in Craven County is on fire. Smoke and some flames are coming out of the top of the fire tower on old U.S. 70 in Tuscarora. That road is currently shut down. Fire crews used a ladder truck to get water to the top of the tower, which is about 125 off the ground. We're told a fire hydrant right next to the fire tower is not working so firefighters are having to truck in water. The fire department says a worker was installing Wi-Fi in the tower when a breaker tripped and started the fire. No on was hurt. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alright, whodunit?
Well...now I know what the tech meant when he told me the signal should be smoking hot! On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 13:16 -0500, Jeremy Parr wrote: http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/92972524.html A fire tower in Craven County is on fire. Smoke and some flames are coming out of the top of the fire tower on old U.S. 70 in Tuscarora. That road is currently shut down. Fire crews used a ladder truck to get water to the top of the tower, which is about 125 off the ground. We're told a fire hydrant right next to the fire tower is not working so firefighters are having to truck in water. The fire department says a worker was installing Wi-Fi in the tower when a breaker tripped and started the fire. No on was hurt. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alright, whodunit?
Has anyone seen Marlon? :-P -B- Jeremy Parr wrote: http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/92972524.html A fire tower in Craven County is on fire. Smoke and some flames are coming out of the top of the fire tower on old U.S. 70 in Tuscarora. That road is currently shut down. Fire crews used a ladder truck to get water to the top of the tower, which is about 125 off the ground. We're told a fire hydrant right next to the fire tower is not working so firefighters are having to truck in water. The fire department says a worker was installing Wi-Fi in the tower when a breaker tripped and started the fire. No on was hurt. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency
I love that story. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/25/2010 12:24 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: 95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia and how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I see them. For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us: http://lowdenplan.com/ The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those of you who might be interested. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com The Mikrotik Chickens story During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night activities. At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis from Mikrotik. For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very softspoken and intelligent guy. The rest of the people in the limo were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and watched. At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him what the gentlemen's clubs in Latvia were like. At the same time, someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up with money to get it. Between the two conversations, I thought that something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia. Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment: Me: Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club? John: I don't know. Me: Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string! From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik guys the business about chickens as currency. A picture of a chicken in a hotel lobby became the Latvian Express Card. An order of wings is pocket change Etc etc. It has been an endless source of amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else. Arnis got me at the last MUM. He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and started laughing at me. I asked him what was so funny. He said that Vista means chicken in Latvian. So the Latvian version of my business name is Chicken Wireless.Of course, this turned out to be total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I went online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is calis. Well played Arnis. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency
LOL, I still am sore that they wouldn't let us borrow their chicken picture (that was in Dallas)! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency I love that story. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/25/2010 12:24 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: 95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia and how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I see them. For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us: http://lowdenplan.com/ The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those of you who might be interested. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com The Mikrotik Chickens story During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night activities. At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis from Mikrotik. For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very softspoken and intelligent guy. The rest of the people in the limo were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and watched. At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him what the gentlemen's clubs in Latvia were like. At the same time, someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up with money to get it. Between the two conversations, I thought that something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia. Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment: Me: Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club? John: I don't know. Me: Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string! From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik guys the business about chickens as currency. A picture of a chicken in a hotel lobby became the Latvian Express Card. An order of wings is pocket change Etc etc. It has been an endless source of amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else. Arnis got me at the last MUM. He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and started laughing at me. I asked him what was so funny. He said that Vista means chicken in Latvian. So the Latvian version of my business name is Chicken Wireless.Of course, this turned out to be total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I went online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is calis. Well played Arnis. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] POE powered Switch?
Anyone? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE powered Switch?
There is already a thread about this on the moto list. What is the application? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
This is the first I've heard of N-Streme working on Prism. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/28/2010 12:11 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Works on Prism, but ALL cards connected to AP must be Prism Josh Luthman wrote: Pretty sure it's just Atheros. Haven't tried nstreme and Prism... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Wait, N-Stream will work with non-mikrotik cards? I thought it was locked into only MT cards? Bob- -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP What about N-stream with 900Mhz? Is that just asking for trouble? Bob- -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:23 AM To:aajayi...@as-technologies.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I can't find the email now, but Jer sold his wireless operations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/28/2010 1:18 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunkerleyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net
Re: [WISPA] POE powered Switch?
For 802.3af compliant . The 3Com Intellijack Series. Linksys / CISCO SLM2008 or SLM2005 *Catalyst 2960PD-8TT-L *Non-Standard POE powered capable. Mikrotik 750 / 750g other Mikrotik Boards Small Linksys Small Dlink (Using a poe injector kit) Does this help you ? Faisal On 5/6/2010 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.comwrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.comwrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I'm the exact opposite, I prefer the ECS (the one with the RJ-45) and hate the pass-through one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/30/2010 8:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I do have to tape the outside connections Mike. But instead of running a pigtail with a bulkhead connector I run an n-f/f bulkhead connector and n-m pigtials. Gotta tape up the antenna connection ONCE. After that, if you change out the radios etc. and need a different pigtail just unscrew the pigtail and your golden. I also run boxes quite a bit bigger than I need. 1'x1'x2 or so. That way I've got a lot of room to move things around, use different boards etc. My *plan* is to not have to change out the boxes anymore. One of the nicest things I've found in a long time is the Pac Wireless pass-through ethernet grip tight. Not the goofy one that requires a screwdriver or little kid to release the tab on the connector. The one that allows the whole cat5 cable to fit through with the connector already on it. Very nice design. Lastly I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. Instead of a gel it has a paperish wrapping around the wires that somehow expands and seals things when /if it gets wet. This cable is a LOT easier to deal with than the old fashioned grease filled ones! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mikem...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the
[WISPA] Netequilizer
Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:24:46PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. Can you show me a Rocket M5 that reaches customers across half the state? We use wireless where DSL either doesn't exist or sucks. The margins are thin, but the costs aren't too terribly extreme if you have a couple thousand DSL customers, at least with our ATT and Windstream telcos. It helps to keep your old dial-up customers on your service until you can get the wireless network built to them. 2000 customers, one piece of gear, fire and forget for the most part. It is becoming less and less attractive as the telcos get more aggressive post-deregulation, but there is still a significant segment of our customer base we can't reach without it. On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.? --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Butch Evans will be much, MUCH cheaper. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
I have not been that pleased with the NetEQ you can do much more with other products ... vyatta, or microtek I believe as well - Check out Butch Evans stuff - he might be able to help On May 6, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
I have heard that Butch's template is just as good if not better an alternative (currently MT, soon to be *nix/ImageStream). I've used MT/IS and not touch NetEq. I doubt I ever will. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have not been that pleased with the NetEQ you can do much more with other products ... vyatta, or microtek I believe as well - Check out Butch Evans stuff - he might be able to help On May 6, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE powered Switch?
What about this -- http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=551 ? On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Why can't MT do that? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Two 750g's is the extent of my MT knowledge so maybe it can. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why can't MT do that? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
And I'm sure it can probably prioritize voip traffic. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: For some networks, NetEq is a good solution. I've had one on my network for a few years. It was before Butch came up with his solution. It was a real lifesaver for us; it kept any users from monopolizing the pipe at the peril of others. One major caveat, unless they've changed it, it only plays traffic cop for one subnet. It will look for long duration, multiple thread, connections and put 50 ms delays in the packets if the network gets busy and leave headroom for the bursty users. Another good thing it can do is limit the number of concurrent connections any one IP can have open. This effectively throttles torrents in an agnostic way. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WAS: Netequilizer NOW Bandwidth Shaping
Bandwidth Shaping can be as hard or as easy as you want to make it - (ok maybe not that ... ) If you are friendly with Linux and IPTables - there are Free solutions Linux Advanced Routing Traffic Control HOWTO - http://lartc.org/lartc.html Traffic Control using tcng and HTB HOWTO - http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Traffic-Control-tcng-HTB-HOWTO.htm There are some other alternatives - but that may help you quite a bit. On May 6, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Two 750g's is the extent of my MT knowledge so maybe it can. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why can't MT do that? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
I've had a NetEq box running for over 3 years. It is a plug and play setup and does a great job if you like the hands off sorta thing. The bad side is the licensing and the upgrading policy. IT STINKS!. If you buy a unit that is only 3 months old off of Ebay, you can forget support. There was a thread awhile back on the DSL Reports wireless forum. I remember reading it and not liking the policies. You also have to purchase upgrades and some other little quirks that just didn't make me smile. - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer And I'm sure it can probably prioritize voip traffic. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: For some networks, NetEq is a good solution. I've had one on my network for a few years. It was before Butch came up with his solution. It was a real lifesaver for us; it kept any users from monopolizing the pipe at the peril of others. One major caveat, unless they've changed it, it only plays traffic cop for one subnet. It will look for long duration, multiple thread, connections and put 50 ms delays in the packets if the network gets busy and leave headroom for the bursty users. Another good thing it can do is limit the number of concurrent connections any one IP can have open. This effectively throttles torrents in an agnostic way. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
What omini are you using, Josh? Running 2.4 on the Tik boxes with the XR2? Just interested in the setup on your end. Sounds like a winner. Bo- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
I've been looking at them and reading and it's all good. Looks like the ca$h is well worth it. Hurts, but still seems to be money well spent. UBNT tells me august for 900MHz sectors and rockets.. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
MT washes my clothes and folds my pants. It can do EVERYTHING! Bob- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer Why can't MT do that? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I've not run any XR2, actually. Probably should. I think the next one we do one in a few weeks I will try it out. I've used the wlm54ag a bunch. Pac antennas. I've not had any more or less success with others. Comet with 3* downtilt seemed a bit less then Pac's big one (12dbi?) but the customers haven't ever had issues. Was an experiment. On 5/6/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What omini are you using, Josh? Running 2.4 on the Tik boxes with the XR2? Just interested in the setup on your end. Sounds like a winner. Bo- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........
900.OFDMI can't sleep I'm so excited! On 5/6/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've been looking at them and reading and it's all good. Looks like the ca$h is well worth it. Hurts, but still seems to be money well spent. UBNT tells me august for 900MHz sectors and rockets.. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ...hope this doesn't offendanyone...seems to be pretty straightforward reporting withminimal opinion
Opinion: It won't be good. Also, the financial reform currently contains a provision that requires ANY contract that can be construed as credit extended to your customer be approved by an as yet not created federal agency. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
Oh, hell yes, my brother! - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. 900.OFDMI can't sleep I'm so excited! On 5/6/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've been looking at them and reading and it's all good. Looks like the ca$h is well worth it. Hurts, but still seems to be money well spent. UBNT tells me august for 900MHz sectors and rockets.. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
The 433 is more than adequate for 2 cards for a low usage repeater... Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman"j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Depends on the state. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 6:52 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:24:46PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. Can you show me a Rocket M5 that reaches customers across half the state? We use wireless where DSL either doesn't exist or sucks. The margins are thin, but the costs aren't too terribly extreme if you have a couple thousand DSL customers, at least with our ATT and Windstream telcos. It helps to keep your old dial-up customers on your service until you can get the wireless network built to them. 2000 customers, one piece of gear, fire and forget for the most part. It is becoming less and less attractive as the telcos get more aggressive post-deregulation, but there is still a significant segment of our customer base we can't reach without it. On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.? --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
funny - i was just thinking the same thing... On May 7, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Depends on the state. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 6:52 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:24:46PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. Can you show me a Rocket M5 that reaches customers across half the state? We use wireless where DSL either doesn't exist or sucks. The margins are thin, but the costs aren't too terribly extreme if you have a couple thousand DSL customers, at least with our ATT and Windstream telcos. It helps to keep your old dial-up customers on your service until you can get the wireless network built to them. 2000 customers, one piece of gear, fire and forget for the most part. It is becoming less and less attractive as the telcos get more aggressive post-deregulation, but there is still a significant segment of our customer base we can't reach without it. On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/ whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.? --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I've been doing that for a couple of years... But I've only been leaving 1 or 2 empty channels between them 20-40 MHz open space. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman"j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........
Now, just make the CPE's work with my existing XR9 based AP's!!! Josh Luthman wrote: 900.OFDMI can't sleep I'm so excited! On 5/6/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've been looking at them and reading and it's all good. Looks like the ca$h is well worth it. Hurts, but still seems to be money well spent. UBNT tells me august for 900MHz sectors and rockets.. Bob- - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: "Jeremie Chism"jchi...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, "Robert West"robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Go to bed. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout funny - i was just thinking the same thing... On May 7, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Depends on the state. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 6:52 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:24:46PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. Can you show me a Rocket M5 that reaches customers across half the state? We use wireless where DSL either doesn't exist or sucks. The margins are thin, but the costs aren't too terribly extreme if you have a couple thousand DSL customers, at least with our ATT and Windstream telcos. It helps to keep your old dial-up customers on your service until you can get the wireless network built to them. 2000 customers, one piece of gear, fire and forget for the most part. It is becoming less and less attractive as the telcos get more aggressive post-deregulation, but there is still a significant segment of our customer base we can't reach without it. On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/ whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.? --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some
