Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe]

This list is fun. WISPA is doing a great job. In Nigeria where I operate our 
association is not doing enough to protect uss. Its not even making bad 
decisions. To renew your license is really hard - easier to get a new one. I 
could go on and on. Members should be grateful and either accept what they get 
or join the management and effect change.


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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Ralph]

I'll tell you all the stuff I can remember.

We pulled a lot of Nano 5 radios over the past couple of years and will
probably sell them as pairs to Hams who want to use them as low cost links
for different things, and probably in the Ham bands.

Hams also like the Pepwave Surf 200 and Surf 200 AP and we have lots of them
from our Muni-Mesh systems.

And for the REALLY cheap guys who don't mind making 1 good out of 2 bad,
etc, we'll sell the Deliberant/Ligo  singles, duos and quads.

I think we have some Tranzeo APs and CPEs we will take too.

Just various stuff we all have around.

For the person who said he never saw any WISPS, you missed us.  We had a lot
of WISP visitors as well.
We have been coming for years as a Ham group, an Amateur TV group and we
started bringing our WISP sign a couple of years ago.
We used to set up a pneumatic mast with free wi-fi back before the first
aircards were even being sold. There was a guy who had a pay hotspot
(satellite fed)
But everyone used out free signal.

Ralph
Brightlan.net
N4NEQ


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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
> The Dayton Hamfest!
>
> It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
>
> We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, 
> WISPS and generally geeking out.
>
> We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or 
> don’t need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff 
> a WISP accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
>
>
>
> So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and 
> flea market in the World, come see us.
>
>
>
> We have these 4 flea market spots
>
>
>
> 3829,3830,3831,3832
>
>
>
>
>
> BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn 
> college money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and 
> anything else that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- 
> bring your artwork in electronic format.
>
>
>
> Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
>
>
>
> Ralph
>
> Brightlan.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

[Freylekhman, Alex]

I'll be there, flying in Monday
Let's meet somewhere at the show



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From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 08:06 AM
To: a...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) 

Subject: [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

New Orleans, anyone going?

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Fred Goldstein]

At 5/3/2012 08:41 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>Personally I don't think there is hardly anyone on the WISPA list that
>is in disagreement over having the same views as Mark from the political
>standpoint..
>
>The radical difference is over how to deal with it ...

Well, I may disagree with Mark and some other members of the list on 
many political points, but I don't let that get in the way of our 
mutual interests. You can disagree without being disagreeable, and 
concentrate on collaborating on your mutual interests.  I even 
disagree on some of the positions WISPA apparently took.  I think 
ARRA was a good program, just too small, though BIP itself was 
basically a boondoggle.  But a WISP I'm hoping to get going soon is 
dependent on BTOP middle mile fiber, as are some other projects I'm 
aware of, as is one local government project I'm now working on.  In 
some states it's a real game changer.  (And yeah, in some it's 
turning out to be a disaster, but that's a different story.)

But the key point is that no matter how you feel about the way the 
game is being played in Washington, either you participate, or you 
should stop complaining about it.  For the average person, 
participation is as easy as voting; for a business in a regulated 
industry, it may involve a lot more.

Things used to work better there in the past when both sides could 
sit down and negotiate their differences, trading off with each other 
until the best compromise could be met.  People who believe that 
compromise is inherenty bad are preventing progress, and they aren't 
making things better for their side either. Likewise, all of that 
"government is always the problem" talk is not realistic.  There are 
all sorts of things that you need government to do, from enforcing 
contracts (lest you need a mafia take over that role, as happened in 
Russia in the 1990s), to building public infrastructure, to keeping 
the food and water safe.  You don't miss the water until the well 
runs dry; if you don't want government, try Somalia.  If you don't 
agree with our government, then at least try to make yourself 
heard.  Even if it is so corrupted by big money that it sometimes 
feels like a waste of time.  Reclaim democracy, don't surrender it.

WISPA has done great things in representing the industry.  Things 
could certainly be worse.  The FCC has waged a War on ISPs for the 
past 11 years.  It has killed off most of the wireline ISPs, most of 
whom were also small businesspeople playing by the rules.  Some have 
survived by going wireless, others by being really really good at 
what they do and keeping their niche markets alive, but it hasn't 
been easy.  Had the rest of the small-ISP industry organized itself a 
quarter as well as WISPA has, then things might have come out a lot 
differently for them.  Not that CLECs have done so well either, 
though frankly I think they were largely collateral damage, because 
ISPs depended on them.

Now the FCC has opened up the question of whether and how WISPs and 
other ISPs should pay into the Universal Service Fund.  So again the 
fact that this group is organized should come in handy.

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Josh Luthman]

Why can't be friends, why can't we be friends...

Oh well it proves we are people!

Josh Luthman
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On May 3, 2012 8:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

>  +1
>
> LOL  !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 5/3/2012 8:29 PM, Doug Clark wrote:
>
>After I read his rant there was only one word that came to my
> mind..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *---Original Message---*
>
>  *From:* Butch Evans 
> *Date:* 5/3/2012 6:27:33 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.
>
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:12 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
> wrote:
> > Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
>
> Indeed.  I was just gonna call him an idiot and explain why I felt that
> way.  What is REALLY strange, is that from a political standpoint, I
> almost 100% agree.  The difference, though, is that I don't think
> burying our head in the sand will FIX the problems in Washington (as he
> seems to believe).
>
> Rick is MUCH more dignified in his response.  FWIW, I thought his "last
> and final post to the WISPA lists" happened over a year or two ago when
> he left in a huff THAT time.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

  
  
+1 

LOL  ! 
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On 5/3/2012 8:29 PM, Doug Clark wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  

  After I read his rant there was only one word
that came to my mind..
   
   
   
   

  
  
 
 
---Original
Message---
 

  From:
Butch Evans
  Date:
5/3/2012 6:27:33 PM
  To:
WISPA General
  List
  Subject:
Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

 
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:12 -0700, Marlon K.
  Schafer (509-982-2181)
wrote:
> Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
 
Indeed.  I was just gonna call him an idiot and
  explain why I felt that
way.  What is REALLY strange, is that from a
  political standpoint, I
almost 100% agree.  The difference, though, is that
  I don't think
burying our head in the sand will FIX the problems
  in Washington (as he
seems to believe).
 
Rick is MUCH more dignified in his response.  FWIW,
  I thought his "last
and final post to the WISPA lists" happened over a
  year or two ago when
he left in a huff THAT time.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Personally I don't think there is hardly anyone on the WISPA list that 
is in disagreement over having the same views as Mark from the political 
standpoint..

The radical difference is over how to deal with it ...

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
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Miami, Fl 33155
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Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 5/3/2012 8:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:12 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
> wrote:
>> Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
> Indeed.  I was just gonna call him an idiot and explain why I felt that
> way.  What is REALLY strange, is that from a political standpoint, I
> almost 100% agree.  The difference, though, is that I don't think
> burying our head in the sand will FIX the problems in Washington (as he
> seems to believe).
>
> Rick is MUCH more dignified in his response.  FWIW, I thought his "last
> and final post to the WISPA lists" happened over a year or two ago when
> he left in a huff THAT time.
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 19:27 -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
> Indeed.  

CRAP!  I intended this to be OFFLIST.  Please forgive this error.

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Doug Clark]

After I read his rant there was only one word that came to my mind..

 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Butch Evans
Date: 5/3/2012 6:27:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.
 
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:12 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
wrote:
> Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
 
Indeed.  I was just gonna call him an idiot and explain why I felt that
way.  What is REALLY strange, is that from a political standpoint, I
almost 100% agree.  The difference, though, is that I don't think
burying our head in the sand will FIX the problems in Washington (as he
seems to believe).
 
Rick is MUCH more dignified in his response.  FWIW, I thought his "last
and final post to the WISPA lists" happened over a year or two ago when
he left in a huff THAT time.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:12 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
wrote:
> Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.

Indeed.  I was just gonna call him an idiot and explain why I felt that
way.  What is REALLY strange, is that from a political standpoint, I
almost 100% agree.  The difference, though, is that I don't think
burying our head in the sand will FIX the problems in Washington (as he
seems to believe).

Rick is MUCH more dignified in his response.  FWIW, I thought his "last
and final post to the WISPA lists" happened over a year or two ago when
he left in a huff THAT time.  


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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Justin Wilson]

Most tower stuff goes pretty quick at Dayton. The hams trade towers back and
forth so it's nothing for them to put up and take down towers, unlike us.

From:  Chris Fabien 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:55 PM
To:  WISPA General List 
Subject:  Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

> You guys that have been to the Hamfest before - is there usually a large
> selection of used tower material at reasonable prices?
> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>> Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
>>> > The Dayton Hamfest!
>>> >
>>> > It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
>>> >
>>> > We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS
>>> and
>>> > generally geeking out.
>>> >
>>> > We¹re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or don¹t
>>> > need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
>>> > accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and
>>> flea
>>> > market in the World, come see us.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We have these 4 flea market spots
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 3829,3830,3831,3832
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn college
>>> > money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything else
>>> > that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork
>>> in
>>> > electronic format.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ralph
>>> >
>>> > Brightlan.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[timothy steele]

i hope to be going again this year. did not notice any WISP's there last
year

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> I know P&R has their mobile tower, but I don't think I saw any
> sections there.  Maybe a contact for them, though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> > You guys that have been to the Hamfest before - is there usually a large
> > selection of used tower material at reasonable prices?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
> >> > The Dayton Hamfest!
> >> >
> >> > It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
> >> >
> >> > We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams,
> WISPS
> >> > and
> >> > generally geeking out.
> >> >
> >> > We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or
> >> > don’t
> >> > need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
> >> > accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and
> >> > flea
> >> > market in the World, come see us.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have these 4 flea market spots
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 3829,3830,3831,3832
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn
> >> > college
> >> > money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything
> >> > else
> >> > that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your
> artwork
> >> > in
> >> > electronic format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ralph
> >> >
> >> > Brightlan.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Josh Luthman]

I know P&R has their mobile tower, but I don't think I saw any
sections there.  Maybe a contact for them, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> You guys that have been to the Hamfest before - is there usually a large
> selection of used tower material at reasonable prices?
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>>
>> Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
>> > The Dayton Hamfest!
>> >
>> > It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
>> >
>> > We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS
>> > and
>> > generally geeking out.
>> >
>> > We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or
>> > don’t
>> > need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
>> > accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and
>> > flea
>> > market in the World, come see us.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We have these 4 flea market spots
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3829,3830,3831,3832
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn
>> > college
>> > money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything
>> > else
>> > that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork
>> > in
>> > electronic format.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>> > Brightlan.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Chris Fabien]

You guys that have been to the Hamfest before - is there usually a large
selection of used tower material at reasonable prices?

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
> > The Dayton Hamfest!
> >
> > It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
> >
> > We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS
> and
> > generally geeking out.
> >
> > We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or
> don’t
> > need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
> > accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
> >
> >
> >
> > So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and
> flea
> > market in the World, come see us.
> >
> >
> >
> > We have these 4 flea market spots
> >
> >
> >
> > 3829,3830,3831,3832
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn
> college
> > money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything else
> > that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork
> in
> > electronic format.
> >
> >
> >
> > Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > Brightlan.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Josh Luthman]

Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph  wrote:
> The Dayton Hamfest!
>
> It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.
>
> We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS and
> generally geeking out.
>
> We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or don’t
> need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
> accumulates.  We usually do well at it.
>
>
>
> So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and flea
> market in the World, come see us.
>
>
>
> We have these 4 flea market spots
>
>
>
> 3829,3830,3831,3832
>
>
>
>
>
> BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn college
> money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything else
> that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork in
> electronic format.
>
>
>
> Website is  http://www.hamvention.org
>
>
>
> Ralph
>
> Brightlan.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Chris Fabien]

It's a used tower for sale locally, but they only have 65 feet, if it's
still available new so I can buy few more sections I'll pass on it.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> From the top it looks like a Pirod. If the tower came From around you In
> Michigan I would lean toward Pirod unless someone else says otherwise.
>  Just because they were manufactured in Northern Indiana.
>
> From: Chris Fabien 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached
>
> Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19" wide, legs look like
> 1" solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Justin Wilson]

>From the top it looks like a Pirod. If the tower came From around you In
Michigan I would lean toward Pirod unless someone else says otherwise.  Just
because they were manufactured in Northern Indiana.

From:  Chris Fabien 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:46 PM
To:  WISPA General List 
Subject:  [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

> Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19" wide, legs look like 1"
> solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Bryan Fields]

On 5/3/2012 12:46, Chris Fabien wrote:
> Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19" wide, legs look like 1"
> solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections. 

Looks like an old Pirod guyed tower.  They are now owned by Valmont, so good
luck getting any support or hardware specs :)

Where did it come from, and how tall was it?
-- 
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.


  Mark,

   

  Enough is enough.  There is no reason that I know of for your behavior 
especially attacking the opinion of someone else online.  Faisal is one of the 
most intelligent ISP veterans in the industry and he does not deserve to be 
called ignorant by someone that has thumbed their nose at WISPA for many years. 
 I have sat back and allowed you to spout off occasionally with extreme 
patience.  There have been times that I have had to "boot" you from the WISPA 
mailing lists and you have come back under a different email address, lurked 
and then repeated your rabid behavior.  

   

  I think it is rude that a person comes into someone's house and complain 
about their lazyboy, food, and hospitality.  That is effectively what you have 
done to WISPA.  We invite you into our home to learn and improve your business 
by networking with other operators in our industry and how do you repay that?  
Turning over the Lazy-boy, spitting in the food and demanding service, with no 
intention of paying for the service or tipping the hostess is not my idea of 
worthiness.

   

  I have noticed over the years, that somewhere in your dissertations, you 
always refer to your depleted financial condition and tend to accuse WISPA for 
your struggling business.  I'm not sure if the area you serve is economically 
challenged, the geography is tough to operate in or you are just not a good 
businessman.  I do however think that if it were not for some of the proactive 
and reactive lobbying efforts that WISPA has accomplished in the last few 
years, that many operators would be out of business by now.  The telcos/cable 
duopoly would have had their way in Congress and at the FCC to run wild with 
their agenda to put the Wisp industry out of business through legislation.  

   

  Therefore, I am going to put you on moderation.  I will allow you to continue 
to receive emails from the wireless@wispa.org mailing list but your responses 
will need to be governed.  Something I'm sure you hate me for, but as the 
moderator, it is my job to maintain proper decorum and provide a healthy 
environment for other wisp operators to learn in.  I have been asked by 
numerous people to ban you from WISPA lists, but I am not going to do that yet. 
 I only hope that you can learn something from other operators that will 
improve your business, regardless of whether you would ever support or efforts 
here at WISPA.  

   

  I wish you good fortune in the future and only hope that in some way, you can 
accept that WISPA may have helped you even without your financial support.  We 
are operators just like yourself.  Many of us struggle to make ends meet in 
this very tough economy.  I agree with you that the government policies over 
the last 20-30 years have been disastrous for our economy.  This is not a 
political statement in any way.  Policies which have created dominant 
corporations in any industry have caused "small town America" to wither on the 
vine.  Greed in politics and corporate America has been the dominant reason for 
our economy decline.  There is little dispute of that.  We need a new direction 
and new leadership inside the beltway.  Unfortunately, I don't personally feel 
that any change can be accomplished effectively without some major 
housecleaning of the monstrous Washington DC governing infrastructure to which 
all new politicians are introduced quickly.  Their intentions may be great 
before they arrive in Washington, only to be cut off at the knees by the 
"system and its lifetime staffers".  

   

  Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

   

  Respectfully,

   

  Rick Harnish

  Executive Director

  WISPA

  260-307-4000 cell

  866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

  Skype: rick.harnish.

  rharn...@wispa.org

  adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

   

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of MDK
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
  To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

   

  I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should 
Be, Because It Once Was.   

   

  The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

   

   

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  I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and how 
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fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to their own 
corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an understanding on the 
'Democratic Principles of Go

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

"It's pure hypocrisy to say "you gotta live with the system".   No, you 
don't.  You have the freedom to still say "no".   You have the freedom to 
NOT take CRP or RUS loans, or look for ways to get USF funding, for 
instance. "

You see, we DO agree Mark.  I've not taken any government money.  None.

My familie's farm does, but that's not me, I'm not a share holder in any 
way.

The difference between us is that I'm willing to put my time and effort 
where my mouth is.  Not just whine about it and through darts at everyone 
else.

I helped start WISPA.  I put my own money and thousands (not an exaturation 
in any way) of hours of my own time into the effort.  I'm currently involved 
with our CALEA, FCC, Disaster and legislative committees.  I've been on the 
board of directors twice.  Well three times if you'd like to count the 
initial self appointed board instead of just the duely elected ones.

You sit here and won't even join the association.  So you don't know both 
sides of the issues.  You only know the final result.  You don't know when 
we tell the FBI that what they are asking for in CALEA is either none of 
their business or technically/financially impractical.

You've not been to the FCC where we've been able to discuss, freely, our 
concerns with rules that exist or are proposed.  It's been those trips that 
have resulted in hundreds of new mhz of spectrum that's open for us to use. 
We've got more flexibility in certification rules.  We've gotten most of 
what we wanted out of the TV whitespaces spectrum.  We've had changes in 
laws or proposed laws that went from vastly against us to neutral or for us.

WISPA tried to stop the ARRA.  We told the government that doing nothing 
would be better for the country than what they wanted to do.

WISPA told the FCC that the best thing they could do is eliminate USF, not 
excpand or change it.

But we also knew that they were not going to listen to us.  So the only 
option left was to try to make changes to the programs that either didn't 
hurt us or actually helped us.  What effort did you make?

Here's the funny part Mark.  I really shouldn't even bother trying to 
explain this to you.  You see, you are a non participant.  You don't join, 
you don't vote, you don't help etc.  Because of your non participation you 
also don't matter.  You'll forever be stuck, living with whatever the rest 
of us can manage to do to make life less painful.  Can we eliminate the 
pain?  Nope.  Not today.  But at least we're WORKING to make any changes we 
can.

Step up to the plate Mark.  Join WISPA.  Participate.  Be a part of the 20% 
of the 80/20 rule.  Not just one of those "victims" of the system.  You 
can't change the system from the outside in.  You have to get inside to cut 
out the cancer.  Heck, even a faith healer focuses his energy to the inside! 
It won't work for him to tell the cancer to go away anymore than it'll work 
to just complain about the cancer.  But at least his focus is in the right 
place!  He's trying something that won't work, but at least he's working for 
a solution.

Work with us for solutions that you want.  Work with us for the least 
damage.  Be a part of the solution not just a whiny spectator.

Mark, believe it or not I like you.  We've met eyeball to eyeball.  I know 
your heart is in the right place.  We agree with what the end result should 
be.

laters,
marlon


- Original Message - 
From: MDK
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.



There was a time, Marlon, when I would have agreed with you.   Except that 
I've been paying attention for a quite a few years...  "compromise" is what 
got us to this.  Not galloping, leaps and bounds, unhindered statism, but 
the exact compromise you are talking about - it ALWAYS goes in one 
direction.  The only "compromise" has been how far and how much.  It's the 
ratchet effect.  Sometimes not moving, but NEVER going in the right 
direction.  It has found its way into every detail of every thing.   So, no, 
no more compromising.  I'm done.  It's now REVERSE.  Not compromise on "not 
as much more" but, NO MORE, and NOW LESS.   And if you're (WISPA) not 
actively acting to accomplish that, then it's actively hindering that 
action.  It's on the wrong side.  It's like travelling a road.  You're going 
to go one way... Or the other.  There isn't a compromise, if you're not 
going north, you're going south, if you're not going east, you're going 
west, and there is no such thing as standing still without being pointed in 
some direction.

You say that you alone can't do anything.That I can't.  I agree.   But 
it has to start...somewhere.  If Uncle Sam came running, handing me "free 
money" I would not take it - and I, personally, have never been personally 
in as precarious financially as I am now, with no assurance I'll even have a 
home from one week to the next.   It's called "principle", Marlon.  I 

Re: [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

[Jim Patient]

I will be there on Monday afternoon and flying out Saturday.  Booth 4481

 

Bourbon Street Friday night J

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270 x102

http://mywificoverage.com  

http://www.linktechs.net   

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:06 AM
To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
Subject: [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

 

New Orleans, anyone going?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143



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[WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Ralph]

The Dayton Hamfest!

It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.

We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS and
generally geeking out.

We're going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or don't
need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
accumulates.  We usually do well at it.

 

So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and flea
market in the World, come see us.

 

We have these 4 flea market spots

 

3829,3830,3831,3832

 

 

BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn college
money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything else
that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork in
electronic format.

 

Website is  http://www.hamvention.org

 

Ralph

Brightlan.net

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Rick Harnish]

Mark,

 

Enough is enough.  There is no reason that I know of for your behavior
especially attacking the opinion of someone else online.  Faisal is one of
the most intelligent ISP veterans in the industry and he does not deserve to
be called ignorant by someone that has thumbed their nose at WISPA for many
years.  I have sat back and allowed you to spout off occasionally with
extreme patience.  There have been times that I have had to "boot" you from
the WISPA mailing lists and you have come back under a different email
address, lurked and then repeated your rabid behavior.  

 

I think it is rude that a person comes into someone's house and complain
about their lazyboy, food, and hospitality.  That is effectively what you
have done to WISPA.  We invite you into our home to learn and improve your
business by networking with other operators in our industry and how do you
repay that?  Turning over the Lazy-boy, spitting in the food and demanding
service, with no intention of paying for the service or tipping the hostess
is not my idea of worthiness.

 

I have noticed over the years, that somewhere in your dissertations, you
always refer to your depleted financial condition and tend to accuse WISPA
for your struggling business.  I'm not sure if the area you serve is
economically challenged, the geography is tough to operate in or you are
just not a good businessman.  I do however think that if it were not for
some of the proactive and reactive lobbying efforts that WISPA has
accomplished in the last few years, that many operators would be out of
business by now.  The telcos/cable duopoly would have had their way in
Congress and at the FCC to run wild with their agenda to put the Wisp
industry out of business through legislation.  

 

Therefore, I am going to put you on moderation.  I will allow you to
continue to receive emails from the wireless@wispa.org mailing list but your
responses will need to be governed.  Something I'm sure you hate me for, but
as the moderator, it is my job to maintain proper decorum and provide a
healthy environment for other wisp operators to learn in.  I have been asked
by numerous people to ban you from WISPA lists, but I am not going to do
that yet.  I only hope that you can learn something from other operators
that will improve your business, regardless of whether you would ever
support or efforts here at WISPA.  

 

I wish you good fortune in the future and only hope that in some way, you
can accept that WISPA may have helped you even without your financial
support.  We are operators just like yourself.  Many of us struggle to make
ends meet in this very tough economy.  I agree with you that the government
policies over the last 20-30 years have been disastrous for our economy.
This is not a political statement in any way.  Policies which have created
dominant corporations in any industry have caused "small town America" to
wither on the vine.  Greed in politics and corporate America has been the
dominant reason for our economy decline.  There is little dispute of that.
We need a new direction and new leadership inside the beltway.
Unfortunately, I don't personally feel that any change can be accomplished
effectively without some major housecleaning of the monstrous Washington DC
governing infrastructure to which all new politicians are introduced
quickly.  Their intentions may be great before they arrive in Washington,
only to be cut off at the knees by the "system and its lifetime staffers".  

 

  Where there is
a Wisp, there is a way!

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

 

I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should
Be, Because It Once Was.   

 

The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

 

 

++
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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

 

 



I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and
how they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the
camp fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to
their own corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an
understanding on the 'Democratic Principles of Government'  on how they
function and operate.

You seem to be totally missing the last 2 thirds of the  'for the people, of
the people and by the people' , and yes it is precisely because of thinking
like yours (suggested in your own words), that the Great French Philosophers
of their time, said that the US Co

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Mark,

 

There is the world we'd like and then there is the world that we have.  You
may have the luxury of ignoring the world we have, but WISPA is a trade
organization that represents people who have to live in it and run their
businesses.  Whether you or I like it or not, the WISP industry operates in
spectrum that belongs to the people.and their government.  The government
has chosen to allow the FCC to be the primary decision maker about how and
if spectrum is allocated.  Before WISPA, there really was no voice for WISPs
at the FCC (unless you count Mike Anderson and Part 15).  WISPA has become a
VERY effective advocate for WISPs at the FCC and to the various government
entities.  Jack and Forbes, along with Rini/Coran have made huge progress.
We've received invaluable support from our membership in this effort.  We
are meeting later this month in DC with a number of our members, to talk to
elected and appointed officials.  They know who we are, who we represent,
and they want to know what we think of various policy options.  Before
WISPA, they pretty much just heard from the big carriers.  

 

Have there been mis-steps?  Sure.  We work to minimize those and to maximize
the benefit to ALL WISPs, particularly our membership.  

 

I've known you for a long time, and I like you and admire your passion.  We
share a lot of similar philosophies.  In my opinion, you've crossed the line
here.  You are using WISPA assets (mailing list) to trash WISPA.  If you
have an issue with WISPA; go away completely; or jump in, join, and run for
the Board.  Taking semi-annual pot-shots at the organization.on our mailing
lists, is not the right way to do things.

 

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

 

I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should
Be, Because It Once Was.   

 

The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

 

 

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

 

 



I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and
how they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the
camp fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to
their own corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an
understanding on the 'Democratic Principles of Government'  on how they
function and operate.

You seem to be totally missing the last 2 thirds of the  'for the people, of
the people and by the people' , and yes it is precisely because of thinking
like yours (suggested in your own words), that the Great French Philosophers
of their time, said that the US Constitution / way of Governing is never
going to work, and it is doomed for failure  When asked why ? The
response was .. 'Simple. common people are not interested in participating
in the Governing process'.

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[WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

[Gino Villarini]

New Orleans, anyone going?

Gino A. Villarini
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