Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Mike Hammett 
Does having your own space matter or is it just how its allocated at ARIN? My 
address space is re-allocated (as should any space greater than /29 and for 
ISPs) and my company's information is in ARIN, but I still get notices form my 
upstream. Doesn't make sense. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Blair Davis"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 5:23:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents 

The key is getting your own IP space. 

Then the upstream will leave you alone. 

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On 6/3/2013 6:24 PM, James Howard wrote: 




Do you get notices from your upstream for addresses that aren’t in one of their 
IP blocks? We used to get them from AT&T before we got our own IP block but 
only get them from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now. Haven’t ever gotten one 
from Cogent but haven’t had that circuit for even a year yet either. 

I understand the logic behind telling them that you’ll research it for a fee 
but typically the ones that we get never ask for any response. They just ask 
that you notify the offending party and make it stop. We never reply to them 
but do check the IP address. If it’s a NATed address we note it on the ticket 
and close it. If it’s a public IP we send the customer a notice that there was 
illegal activity detected on their connection. That usually stops the activity 
right away. The last one that I sent out, the customer replied thanking us for 
letting her know. Said she told her neighbors that they couldn’t do that 
anymore because she “didn’t want to lose her Netflix over somebody doing 
something illegal.” I think we were about halfway through the month and they 
had transferred about 250Gb at that point. Usage dropped to normal Netflix user 
amounts after that. 


James Howard 
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Justin Wilson 
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents 


The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The upstream 
providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the backbone 
provider) a resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of Service. 
Cogent is the worst about this. We have actually had them turn us off because 
we did not answer complaints. 



Justin 



From: Jim Patient < jpati...@linktechs.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents 






I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the 
alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. 
Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp 
I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of 
them do, I’ll cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is 
vaporware. 

Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of 
these? 

Jim 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. 
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents 

Jim, 

Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA 
notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or 
not at all)? 

Doug 


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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe 
How do you do this?

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)

2013-06-03 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Yes, I was venting frustration more than anything. I have heard people on
the ubnt.com forums discussing their fees for such a lookup.

I have never heard of anybody who has charged a "lookup fee" for DMCA
request who has actually be paid / had the requestee go further than the
initial email/letter (now including this list).

Note: Those same people do charge for CALEA requests as well, but those
*do* get paid.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Hass, Douglas A.  wrote:

> Well, let's not get carried away. :-) $1 million would certainly exceed
> the "reasonable costs" that you incur (and can charge) for compliance with
> the civil subpoena. Your ability to recover your reasonable cost for a
> civil subpoena does not come from the DMCA, btw. That is part of the
> federal rules that apply generally for all non party civil subpoenas.
>
>
>
> Going overboard with fee requests for a DMCA notice could give the
> copyright holder an argument that you are not making a good-faith effort to
> comply with the safe harbor provisions, too. Tread carefully, and get some
> legal advice before considering massive cost requests.
>
>
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Date: 6/3/2013 5:28 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org;
> Subject:Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)
>
> So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints
> webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never
> provided the information required to "retrieve the information"?
>
> There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per
> complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing
> grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet.
>
> The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad
> or worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests
> every day just to see "who bites", with the objective being for them to
> collect money either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her
> fixed income tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court
> even if she wins.
>
> The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end
> up sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it).
>
> I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop.
>
> (Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the
> ISP prospective.)
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)

2013-06-03 Thread Hass, Douglas A. 
Well, let's not get carried away. :-) $1 million would certainly exceed the 
"reasonable costs" that you incur (and can charge) for compliance with the 
civil subpoena. Your ability to recover your reasonable cost for a civil 
subpoena does not come from the DMCA, btw. That is part of the federal rules 
that apply generally for all non party civil subpoenas.



Going overboard with fee requests for a DMCA notice could give the copyright 
holder an argument that you are not making a good-faith effort to comply with 
the safe harbor provisions, too. Tread carefully, and get some legal advice 
before considering massive cost requests.



-- Original message --
From: Josh Reynolds
Date: 6/3/2013 5:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org;
Subject:Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)

So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints 
webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never provided 
the information required to "retrieve the information"?

There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per 
complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing 
grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet.

The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad or 
worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests every day 
just to see "who bites", with the objective being for them to collect money 
either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her fixed income 
tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court even if she wins.

The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end up 
sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it).

I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop.

(Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the ISP 
prospective.)
--
Josh Reynolds
WISP Engineering Liaison
Performant Networks
phone (305) 968-6351
email  j...@performantnetworks.com



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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)

2013-06-03 Thread Josh Reynolds 
So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints
webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never
provided the information required to "retrieve the information"?

There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per
complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing
grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet.

The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad
or worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests
every day just to see "who bites", with the objective being for them to
collect money either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her
fixed income tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court
even if she wins.

The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end
up sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it).

I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop.

(Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the
ISP prospective.)
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Blair Davis 

  
  
The key is getting your own IP space.

Then the upstream will leave you alone.

--
On 6/3/2013 6:24 PM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Do
you get notices from your upstream for addresses that aren’t
in one of their IP blocks?  We used to get them from
AT&T before we got our own IP block but only get them
from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now.   Haven’t ever gotten
one from Cogent but haven’t had that circuit for even a year
yet either.
 
I
understand the logic behind telling them that you’ll
research it for a fee but typically the ones that we get
never ask for any response.  They just ask that you notify
the offending party and make it stop.  We never reply to
them but do check the IP address.  If it’s a NATed address
we note it on the ticket and close it.   If it’s a public IP
we send the customer a notice that there was illegal
activity detected on their connection.  That usually stops
the activity right away.  The last one that I sent out, the
customer replied thanking us for letting her know.  Said she
told her neighbors that they couldn’t do that anymore
because she “didn’t want to lose her Netflix over somebody
doing something illegal.”  I think we were about halfway
through the month and they had transferred about 250Gb at
that point.  Usage dropped to normal Netflix user amounts
after that.  
 
 
James
Howard
LiteWire
Internet Services, Inc.
 
 
 
 
 

  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
  

 

     
  The
  problem with us isn't the party who initiated the
  complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and
  pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a
  resolution.  If not they say it violates the Terms of
  Service.  Cogent is the worst about this.  We have
  actually had them turn us off because we did not answer
  complaints.


   


     
  Justin


   


  From:
  Jim
  Patient 
  Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents


   


  

  I
  just respond to them and tell them we would be happy
  to investigate the alleged infringement however, there
  will be a cost incurred for investigation.  Pricing
  for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
  I
  have never had any of them respond to it in over 3
  years.  I guess if any of them do, I’ll cross that
  bridge when it happens.  I think most of it is
  vaporware.
   
  Has
  anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops
  show up over one of these? 
   
  Jim
   
  

  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A.
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

  
   
  Jim,
   
  Your
  policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what
  about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena
  attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not
  at all)?  
   
  Doug
   
   
  Douglas
A. Hass
  Associate
  312.786.6502
  d...@franczek.com

  Franczek
Radelet P.C.
300

Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread James Howard 
Do you get notices from your upstream for addresses that aren't in one of their 
IP blocks?  We used to get them from AT&T before we got our own IP block but 
only get them from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now.   Haven't ever gotten one 
from Cogent but haven't had that circuit for even a year yet either.

I understand the logic behind telling them that you'll research it for a fee 
but typically the ones that we get never ask for any response.  They just ask 
that you notify the offending party and make it stop.  We never reply to them 
but do check the IP address.  If it's a NATed address we note it on the ticket 
and close it.   If it's a public IP we send the customer a notice that there 
was illegal activity detected on their connection.  That usually stops the 
activity right away.  The last one that I sent out, the customer replied 
thanking us for letting her know.  Said she told her neighbors that they 
couldn't do that anymore because she "didn't want to lose her Netflix over 
somebody doing something illegal."  I think we were about halfway through the 
month and they had transferred about 250Gb at that point.  Usage dropped to 
normal Netflix user amounts after that.


James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. 
The upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them 
(the backbone provider) a resolution.  If not they say it violates the Terms of 
Service.  Cogent is the worst about this.  We have actually had them turn us 
off because we did not answer complaints.

Justin

From: Jim Patient mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the 
alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation.  
Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years.  I guess if any of 
them do, I'll cross that bridge when it happens.  I think most of it is 
vaporware.

Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of 
these?

Jim

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Jim,

Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA 
notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or 
not at all)?

Doug



Douglas A. Hass
Associate
312.786.6502
d...@franczek.com

Franczek Radelet P.C.
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Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Nope

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Curious, has anyone paid yet?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient 
mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
You can c

Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Justin Wilson 
The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The
upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the
backbone provider) a resolution.  If not they say it violates the Terms of
Service.  Cogent is the worst about this.  We have actually had them turn us
off because we did not answer complaints.

Justin

From:  Jim Patient 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM
To:  WISPA General List 
Subject:  Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

> I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the
> alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation.
> Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
> I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years.  I guess if any of
> them do, I¹ll cross that bridge when it happens.  I think most of it is
> vaporware.
>  
> Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of
> these? 
>  
> Jim
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Hass, Douglas A.
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
>  
> Jim,
>  
> Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA
> notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or
> not at all)?  
>  
> Doug
>  
>  
> Douglas A. Hass
> Associate
> 312.786.6502
> d...@franczek.com
> 
> Franczek Radelet P.C.
> 300 South Wacker Drive
> Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606
> 312.986.0300 - Main
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> http://franczek.com 
> 
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Jim Patient
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
>  
> Nope
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
>  
> 
> Curious, has anyone paid yet?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
>  
> 
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:
> 
> You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the letters
> pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.  So far none
> of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not like it¹s hard for
> us because all of our users have public IPs.
>  
> http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
>  
>  
> Jim
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> 
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> I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.
> 
> Anyone have a good answer?
> 
> NGL
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Jim Patient 
I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the 
alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation.  
Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp

I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years.  I guess if any of 
them do, I’ll cross that bridge when it happens.  I think most of it is 
vaporware.

 

Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of 
these? 

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

Jim,

 

Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA 
notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or 
not at all)?  

 

Doug

 

 

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Nope

 

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Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

Curious, has anyone paid yet?




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the letters 
pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.  So far none 
of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not like it’s hard for 
us because all of our users have public IPs.  

 

http://wifimw.com/civil.asp

 

 

Jim

 

 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.

Anyone have a good answer?

NGL

From: Josh Reynolds   

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM

To: wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

 

I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent 
traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the 
traffic encrypted.

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WISP Engineering Liaison

Performant Networks

phone (305) 968-6351  

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Bryce Duchcherer 
You can do it in MikroTik fairly easily. There Is a way to limit connections 
per subnet, if you limit /32 it will set a limit of x connections for every IP 
address going through the router.
It's hard to say an exact number of connections, it depends what people are 
doing. For most residential, ~200 connections should be lots. Businesses, 
depending on the number of users, could be more.

Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE
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Where do I set the limit?
In the router or radio?
How many?
NGL
From: Bryce Duchcherer
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate 
uses, such as Linux distros.
One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of 
connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent 
connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically.

Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE
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Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ?
Thanx
NGL

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread timothy steele 
Pop a pfsense box in bridge mode to your network get the traffic graph app fire 
abusive customers or charge them more
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread ~NGL~ 
Where do I set the limit?
In the router or radio?
How many?
NGL
  From: Bryce Duchcherer 
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:51 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents


  You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate 
uses, such as Linux distros.

  One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of 
connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent 
connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically.

   

  Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE

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  Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ?
  Thanx

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Hass, Douglas A. 
Jim,

Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA 
notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or 
not at all)?

Doug



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Nope

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Curious, has anyone paid yet?

Regards,
Chuck

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mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the letters 
pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.  So far none 
of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not like it’s hard for 
us because all of our users have public IPs.

http://wifimw.com/civil.asp


Jim


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.
Anyone have a good answer?
NGL
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and 
VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted.
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Jim Patient 
Nope

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

Curious, has anyone paid yet?




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient 
wrote:

You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the
letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.
So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not
like it's hard for us because all of our users have public IPs.  

 

http://wifimw.com/civil.asp

 

 

Jim

 

 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.

Anyone have a good answer?

NGL

From: Josh Reynolds   

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM

To: wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

 

I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent
traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes
the traffic encrypted.

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WISP Engineering Liaison

Performant Networks

phone (305) 968-6351  

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Bryce Duchcherer 
You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate 
uses, such as Linux distros.
One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of 
connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent 
connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically.

Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE
Network Admin
NETAGO
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bduc...@netago.ca
[NETAGO-INTERNET_DNP]

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Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ?
Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Chuck Hogg 
Curious, has anyone paid yet?

Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

> You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the
> letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.
> So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not like
> it’s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs.  
>
> ** **
>
> http://wifimw.com/civil.asp
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Jim
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *~NGL~
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>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
>
> ** **
>
> I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.
>
> Anyone have a good answer?
>
> NGL
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds  
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM
>
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve
>
> ** **
>
> I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic,
> and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic
> encrypted.
>
> -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

2013-06-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick 
>From my routing days, I really believe your best bet is to just manage your 
>traffic and deal with out-of-line customers as they come up.  There are many 
>legitimate uses for torrents now…plus the whole “reasonable” network 
>management standard that the FCC sorta came up with under net neutrality.

 

 

Regards,

 

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Bitlomat Sales Director

847-238-2481 Office

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www.bitlomat.com

https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat

http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat

 

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Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:47 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

 

I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and 
VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted.

-- 

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WISP Engineering Liaison

Performant Networks

phone (305) 968-6351

email j...@performantnetworks.com

 

 

 

   

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Jim Patient 
You can charge them to investigate these complaints.  We reply to the letters 
pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate.  So far none 
of them have elected to pay us to find the offender.   Not like it’s hard for 
us because all of our users have public IPs.  

 

http://wifimw.com/civil.asp

 

 

Jim

 

 

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Of ~NGL~
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

 

I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.

Anyone have a good answer?

NGL

From: Josh Reynolds   

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM

To: wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve

 

I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent 
traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the 
traffic encrypted.

-- 

Josh Reynolds

WISP Engineering Liaison

Performant Networks

phone (305) 968-6351

email j...@performantnetworks.com

 

 

 

  



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2013-06-03 Thread ~NGL~ 
I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem.
Anyone have a good answer?
NGL
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents -> Steve


  I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and 
VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted.
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2013-06-03 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic,
and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic
encrypted.
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents

2013-06-03 Thread Steve Barnes 
I am to the point that I believe the only way to block all torrents is to turn 
the internet off.  So many are even using port 80 now.  You can do packet 
inspection and help out if on a MT but not sure on a UBNT.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN
Howard LLC

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Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ?
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