Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Clay Stewart 
Excellent!


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

> Ok,  Ya’ll win.  The programmers are working on this as we speak.  Finding
> the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic.  The
> site is going to look at the desired signal.  If it is below what it should
> be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is
> reached and return the estimated height needed for the link.  You won’t
> need to click to move it up.  This will be dynamic.
>
>
>
> Still needs more testing before it goes live.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> From 1:33 PM Eastern today.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
> Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'll give you 1.47 days.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!
> J
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer*
>
> * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition
> ”
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> Services
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> LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace  *
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster 
Not really, Fresnel zone size is a function of frequency and distance between 
the two end points. The zone is football shaped with the widest part of the 
zone half way between the two end points. Antenna patterns have nothing to do 
with Fresnel zone size. 

 

Here is a Fresnel Zone size calculator with a good basic illustration:   
http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/FresnelZone.asp

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Clay Stewart [mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:02 PM
To: Brian Webster; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks.

 

So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz "you should never 
shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'?

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
(1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
(this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.

A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
signal due to same.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
grasp why it works.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312  

On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Signals do change as you change height as you expose
> or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
> just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
> level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
> change as I increment height.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>  > wrote:
>
> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
> walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 
>  &Acct=2910
>
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
> wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
> site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
> as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
> map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
> able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
> too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
> support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Joe Miller 
Sweet!!!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Ok,  Ya'll win.  The programmers are working on this as we speak.  Finding
the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic.  The site
is going to look at the desired signal.  If it is below what it should be
the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is
reached and return the estimated height needed for the link.  You won't need
to click to move it up.  This will be dynamic.

 

Still needs more testing before it goes live.

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

>From 1:33 PM Eastern today.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard  wrote:

Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'll give you 1.47 days.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!  J


 

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Edition  "

 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
  - Skype: linktechs

 -- Create Wireless Coverage's with  
www.towercoverage.com - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's
no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a
whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Jim Patient 
Ok,  Ya'll win.  The programmers are working on this as we speak.
Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be
automatic.  The site is going to look at the desired signal.  If it is
below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna
until the desired signal is reached and return the estimated height
needed for the link.  You won't need to click to move it up.  This will
be dynamic.

 

Still needs more testing before it goes live.

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

>From 1:33 PM Eastern today.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard 
wrote:

Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'll give you 1.47 days.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess
 wrote:

BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will
help!  J  

 

Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS-
Second Edition  "

 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
  - Skype: linktechs

 -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com
  - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV
Whitespace  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what
a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the
same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
> Still needs more testing before it goes live.

Is it sad that I was ecstatic to see that?!  Love it when the shop tests
before deployment.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 10, 2014 2:12 PM, "Jim Patient"  wrote:

> Ok,  Ya'll win.  The programmers are working on this as we speak.  Finding
> the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic.  The
> site is going to look at the desired signal.  If it is below what it should
> be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is
> reached and return the estimated height needed for the link.  You won't
> need to click to move it up.  This will be dynamic.
>
>
>
> Still needs more testing before it goes live.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> From 1:33 PM Eastern today.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
> Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'll give you 1.47 days.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!
> J
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer*
>
> * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition
> "
>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
> Services
>  Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*:
> linktechs
> * -- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz -
> LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace  *
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Clay Stewart 
Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks.

So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz "you should
never shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'?


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster <
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:

> Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
> (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
> Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
> ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
> (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes
> the
> cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.
>
> A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
> with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
> pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
> rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
> numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate
> the
> rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
> more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose
> more
> even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
> signal due to same.
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
> To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
> you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
> explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
> grasp why it works.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> > Matt,
> >
> > Signals do change as you change height as you expose
> > or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
> > time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
> >  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
> > just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
> > level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
> > change as I increment height.
> >
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
> > walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> > http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
> >  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
> > wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
> > site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
> > as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
> > map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
> > able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
> > too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
> > support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
>From 1:33 PM Eastern today.


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1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard  wrote:

> Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'll give you 1.47 days.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!
> J
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer*
>
> * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition
> "
>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
> Services
>  Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*:
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
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> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread James Howard 
Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
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I'll give you 1.47 days.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!  :)

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Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
I'll give you 1.47 days.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!
> J
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer*
>
> * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition
> "
>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
> Services
>  Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*:
> linktechs
>  *-- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz -
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>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
> the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
> customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
> list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
> simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
> while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
>  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
> doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Dennis Burgess 
BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will
help!  J  

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what
a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the
same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be
from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread William Juneau 
Josh, 

We use Towercoverage to per-qualify every customer that contacts us about 
service. We have been very satisfied with it's overall performance and 
accuracy. 


Thanks 
William B. Juneau 
Sales And Marketing Team 
Toal Highspeed Internet Solutions 
will...@totalhighspeed.net 
sa...@totalhighspeed.net 
1-417-851-1107 EXT. 509 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:18:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? 

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart < 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com > wrote: 




Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910 
On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly. 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Scott Reed 
The other thing that changing height can do is change the angle of 
reflected/refracted signals thus changing the amount of multi-path 
signal the receiver sees.
On 4/10/2014 10:44 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Interesting explanation. Thanks.
>
>> On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, "Brian Webster"  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
>> (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
>> Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
>> ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
>> (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
>> cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.
>>
>> A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
>> with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
>> pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
>> rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
>> numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
>> rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
>> more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
>> even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
>> signal due to same.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
>> To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>>
>> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
>> you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
>> explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
>> grasp why it works.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>>> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> Signals do change as you change height as you expose
>>> or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
>>> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>>>  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
>>> just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
>>> level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
>>> change as I increment height.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
>>> walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>>> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>>>  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
>>> wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
>>> site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
>>> as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
>>> map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
>>> able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
>>> too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
>>> support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Interesting explanation. Thanks. 

> On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, "Brian Webster"  
> wrote:
> 
> Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
> (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
> Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
> ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
> (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
> cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.
> 
> A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
> with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
> pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
> rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
> numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
> rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
> more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
> even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
> signal due to same.
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
> To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> 
> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
> you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
> explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
> grasp why it works.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
>> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> Matt,
>> 
>>Signals do change as you change height as you expose 
>> or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Brian Webster
>> 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real 
>> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> 
>>I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>> What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
>>just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
>>level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
>>change as I increment height.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
>>walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>>http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> 
>>On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" >> wrote:
>> 
>>I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>> There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
>>wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
>>site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
>>as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
>>map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
>>able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
>>too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
>>support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>> 
>> 
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340 
>>Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster 
Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
(1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
(this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.

A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
signal due to same.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
grasp why it works.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> Signals do change as you change height as you expose 
> or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> 
>  
> 
> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real 
> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
> 
> 
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
> just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
> level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
> change as I increment height.
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>  > wrote:
> 
> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
> walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
> 
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
> 
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
> wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
> site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
> as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
> map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
> able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
> too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
> support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Darin Steffl 
I've seen it before too. On the ground with a nanobridge 5 feet above the
ground with me holding it, I can get a -58 but go up 10 feet on the roof
and it's a -63 with same aiming and clear LOS. Bugs the heck out of me. But
I'm not able to go even higher in some cases to try to get a -58 back and
I'm not putting it on the ground.


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Right. That makes sense. There are some that say that even with a clean
> fresnel going up or down 10 feet can change things. Never understood that.
>
> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, LTI - Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go
> to get an acceptable signal.  If you are going though trees or near a hill,
> the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones.
>  sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm.  These are
> only in the event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but
>> since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be
>> worth explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but
>> still can't grasp why it works.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> > Matt,
>> >
>> > Signals do change as you change height as you expose or
>> > conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> >
>> > Brian Webster
>> >
>> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> >
>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
>> > *To:* WISPA General List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
>> > time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>> >  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
>> > just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
>> > level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
>> > change as I increment height.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
>> > walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>> > http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> >
>> > On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>> >  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
>> > wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
>> > site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
>> > as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
>> > map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
>> > able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
>> > too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
>> > support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340 
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Wireless@wispa.org 
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Right. That makes sense. There are some that say that even with a clean fresnel 
going up or down 10 feet can change things. Never understood that. 

> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, LTI - Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> 
> What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go to 
> get an acceptable signal.  If you are going though trees or near a hill, the 
> Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones.  sometimes 
> going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm.  These are only in the 
> event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment.  
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but
>> since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be
>> worth explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but
>> still can't grasp why it works.
>> 
>> 
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>> 
>> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> > Matt,
>> >
>> > Signals do change as you change height as you expose or
>> > conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> >
>> > Brian Webster
>> >
>> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> >
>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
>> > *To:* WISPA General List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
>> > time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>> >  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
>> > just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
>> > level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
>> > change as I increment height.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
>> > walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
>> > http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
>> >
>> > On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>> >  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
>> > wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
>> > site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
>> > as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
>> > map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
>> > able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
>> > too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
>> > support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340 
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > Wireless@wispa.org 
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess 
What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go
to get an acceptable signal.  If you are going though trees or near a hill,
the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones.
 sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm.  These are
only in the event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment.


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but
> since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be
> worth explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but
> still can't grasp why it works.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> > Matt,
> >
> > Signals do change as you change height as you expose or
> > conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
> > time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
> >  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
> > just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
> > level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
> > change as I increment height.
> >
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
> > walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> > http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
> >  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
> > wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
> > site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
> > as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
> > map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
> > able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
> > too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
> > support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but
since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be
worth explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but
still can't grasp why it works.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> Signals do change as you change height as you expose or
> conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
> 
>  
> 
> Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
> time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 
> 
> 
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
>  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
> just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
> level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
> change as I increment height.
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
>  > wrote:
> 
> Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
> walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
> http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910
> 
> On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
> 
> I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
>  There's all the same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example
> wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
> site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
> as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
> map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
> able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
> too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
> support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-10 Thread Brian Webster 
Matt,

Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal 
the even number Fresnel zones.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 


On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
 wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 
 &Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the 
same "stupid" interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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