[WISPA] signal tests
Im wondering how everybody else is handling signal tests for resi subscribers. We do most of our resi in heavily wooded very hilly terrain, so coverage can be somewhat tricky to predict based solely upon customer address - their mailbox/address may be at the top of the ridge and they live down in the valley or vice versa. When a new prospect comes in, we can make certain assumptions about their coverage based upon topo, RM plots and historical install data. But this still leaves us with a large number of potential customers that require a truck roll and on site signal test. At some point the scale of doing this becomes pretty large and time intensive. I don't feel that we can schedule people for an install and determine when we arrive whether or not we can do the install - most people have to take off work to meet us for the install. Has anybody come up with a better solution than having a full time signal test tech? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Moto Spectra lite
Hi- Im looking at the Moto spectra lite units for a link that's just a hair over 1 mile, clear LOS. Vendor spec says they do 150 mb. What actual throughput have others seen using this product? I'm looking for a product that will deliver greater than 70 mb and am considering the spectra lite and spectra series. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] bluemont?
Im considering attending one of Bluemont's MT training seminars. Do they run a quality program? Thanks Chris ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Moto Wireline distributors
Hi- Anybody have a contact number for Motorola Service Providers/wireline products or a VAR of their wireline products? Thanks Chris ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900mhz antennas
We've had very good luck with the Antels. For HPOL we like the MTI Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900mhz antennas Hi, I'm looking for suggestions for a 900mhz omni antenna to cover a 1 mile radius thru thick trees, etc. Any suggestions? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?
Id be interested to see how they worked with high gain directional antennas. With the proper antennas you could pick up some penetration, help pick through noise and change polarities. Anybody used the Meraki boxes this way? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes? Well, I disagree, in a hippocritical way.. What Meraki has done is package and make it painlessly easy and low cost for any joker in town to spend $100 a house and destroy the RF environement accross town, with noise generating Omnis, without a clue on the engineering that needs to go behind it. The good news about the other common Mesh Boxes that were $4000 a shot (Moto, Tropo, etc) is it kept the MESH boxes in the hand of professionals (if you call Muni network guys- Professionals?) Ventures like Meraki, scare the pants off me, regarding the health of this industry. Locust MEsh on the other hand, is Open Source Software designed to empower developers to go to work to make MESH gear. Sure its OPEN, but the klearning curve is still there, detering individuals that did not have atleast a certain level of minimal technical competence. With that said, I'll have to Buy and Try some of those Meraki's, I see all sorts of applications for them, that have now become affordable to try :-) Could possibly save me tons of money. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes? Carl: Thanks :-) I rest my case. Steve On 9/14/07, Carl Shivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using Meraki at a local ballpark, the zoo and a river walk area. The ballpark has 1 gw node and 4 mesh nodes. The zoo has 1 gw and 1 mesh node. The river walk area presently has 2 gw nodes and 8 mesh nodes. This will be expanded to 3 gw nodes and 17 mesh nodes. It is very easy to deploy using the Meraki system dashboard. P.S. I am not a Meraki sales person. -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs
Grain dust -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs I guess I don't really understand the explosion risk. The only thing I've ever heard of is the corn dryer catching fire, mostly due to dryer failure of some kind. Is that you're speaking of directly related to tower sections on the grain leg or grain leg use in general? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower sections on grain legs. mks: Yes. How many of you have done this? mks: Almost everyone? grin mks: I started out on one, had to move due to a long cell phone ptp link. About ready to go back on one though. Could you describe the particulars of those installations? mks: Explosion risk!! Gotta use GOOD boxes and be VERY careful about sparks when plugging things in etc. I require that either a licensed electrician or the elevator owner's people do all work. Pictures? Did you have an engineer approve your designs? mks: Nope. Other than the explosion risk, there's nothing really special about them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
http://www.wi-ex.com/ A kid that works for me used one of these and a 13db yagi. Works great. c ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canopy AP
Im looking for a couple of new, in the box, Canopy Advantage 5.2 Aps. I you have some to sell, hit me off list. Thanks Chris ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WR 900 question
We have a WR 900 MHz cell that saw a sudden 10 db jump in noise. Running spec ans from other towers doesn't show this rise in noise in the same band. Doing sweeps from the tower using another device, albeit 600' lower than the affected ap, we still don't see the noise floor rise, even when we run a scan pointed straight at the ap. I know we cant exactly mirror conditions at the ap from a lower altitude, but shouldn't we see some of the noise that it is reporting? Im wondering if we have a bad piece of gear up there... CPE units seem to be receiving signal as normal, but ap side is having trouble hearing them. Could wet connectors cause behavior - we had torrential rain followed by high heat. Thanks Chris ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
When they run -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A jeptha Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Tranzeo's can run at 24volts You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mac Dearman wrote: Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish
So what's the difference between direct and dish? Can you share what the fee structures are? c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish Hey John, We are selling direct, dish, wild blue and hughes net... That is our in the door options. Now we can sell Internet and TV to anyone that wants it. WE also will be offering our own VOIP to anyone on our network that wants it through AERO communications. FYI. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish We now have 3 full time installer / techs. I am thinking we should probably be selling Direc TV and Dish along with our wireless Internet. Anyone else doing this? What is good or bad about this? How do I go about becoming a dealer for these products? I have sales experience in Cable TV industry. I used to sell to Motels and such for 3 states. I know we could do this. I also want to do television for the motels around here. Are others doing this with any success? I think Rick Harnish told me he was doing this. Any information is much appreciated. All the best, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] don't forget, the 477 is due again!
Slightly related to this thread- Has anyone else that files a 499-a gotten an NANP invoice? Not quite sure what to do with it. Do you know what the invoice is for? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish
Can you actually make any money when you take into account all the costs of doing the install vs. what they pay for the install? It seems like they pay a pretty slim fee. A couple service calls can eat up your profit pretty quickly. I could see it making sense if your labor is not fully employed, but if you are booked pretty well doing your own installs, I would think it would make sense to spend as much time as possible generating recurring revenue. Just my $.02 c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish John, We sell Dish but gave up on DirecTV about 6 months ago. We have also installed Wildblue for two years now. I can put you in contact with a large distributor of Dish/DirecTv in the Midwest if you want to pursue it. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Direc TV and Dish We now have 3 full time installer / techs. I am thinking we should probably be selling Direc TV and Dish along with our wireless Internet. Anyone else doing this? What is good or bad about this? How do I go about becoming a dealer for these products? I have sales experience in Cable TV industry. I used to sell to Motels and such for 3 states. I know we could do this. I also want to do television for the motels around here. Are others doing this with any success? I think Rick Harnish told me he was doing this. Any information is much appreciated. All the best, John Scrivner No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 5:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 5:38 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] canopy backhaul
Anyone have opinions good or bad regarding canopy backhauls? Reliability and uptime? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
Last mile connectivity?... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin S. Wilson Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:55 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205from=rss In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. The order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio Network - all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in parts of the state that presently don't have such service. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.metrospan.net WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] backhaul recommendation
I need a couple sets of backhauls for a public safety application. Link distance under 3 miles, clear los. Need @ 20 meg throughput. Security is a high priority and they have to be rock solid. Has to be a stickered system. Any recommendations? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RB 133c
Tranzeo isn't cheap when you consider the failure rate. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB 133c Why not use a couple or Tranzeos or Deliberants if you want inexpensive. Why keep supporting Mikrotik when they refuse to have their gear FCC certified? They are not doing you any favors, and why would YOU risk the fine? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB 133c 12-15 meg.. depending on rules, connection tracking off may get you more. On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls. How much traffic could I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a level 3 or 4 lic? Thanks, Brian Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 4.9 use
Can somebody refresh my memory It is illegal to use 4.9 Ghz for any commercial traffic, even in instance of public/private partnership and joint use of network - Yes? Thanks Chris Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Deliberant vs. Tranzeo
Hi- Does anyone care to share experiences good/bad with deliberant gear? Reliability, performance, failure rates, support, features etc? Im comparing them w/Tranzeo and would like to be able to compare apples w/ apples. Thanks, Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Call to Vendors.....
Im interested in vendor response on this as well chris cooper intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Call to Vendors. This is an invitation to Vendors to contact me if they have equipment that could meet my needs... I have been contacted by government unit that wishes to deploy a mobile, high speed data network in their vehicles. The area of operation is tree infested. The mobile units will never be more than 7 miles from a tower with a base station. LoS is NOT assured from the mobile unit to the base. The mobile units must switch base stations as needed with no user intervention. Use of 2.4GHz band is not acceptable. Min data rates are 256Kbit up by 1Mbit down. I'm open to any technology that will work and to any vendor. Licensed or unlicensed gear would be acceptable. Contact me by e-mail or my cell below. Calling late is fine. I'm up late anyway! -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP Cell 269-650-5749 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly
We ordered a batch of 5plus units last winter. They didn't perform to calculated levels, so we put em on the bench and tested them with a meter. All tested below manufacturer's spec. We haven't seen the same reliability with the regular 5a units that you describe below. For what it's worth... Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly Wow! We had over 10% with SB units. Our reliability with Tranzeo has been in the 99%+++ range though. We *might* have to send back one out of 100. I will say though, these new CPQ radios are doing some strange things. Not the least of which is reporting signal levels around 10 dB below what I know I should be getting based on the calculated values. They work but sure report low signal levels. It's very strange. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly Just my opinion, I've beat down tranzeo enough in the past to cover a year or so, but Tranzeos are not built for durability or longevity. Our company has experienced a 25% or more failure rate on their entire line of products. Stu might tell you different though ;-) Zack On 6/6/07, Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What firmware are you running, there was a bug where it would not pass traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware. We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made it work alot better. I was pretty sure this problem is with the distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a link distance of 5 miles. Ryan On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote: Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs? We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't pass all traffic. The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is having problems. Anybody having similar issues? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present. One of the carriers made the comment that they are migrating away from copper for new deployments. He said that FTTH is now cheaper than copper due to increased material costs. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Thats Funny. Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber network? Not likely. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said No one wants to be in office when the copper networks go dark. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
Its like my old hippie friend told me the only difference between hippie and yuppie is 50 grand a year That was in 91. Adjust accordingly for inflation. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA? In the 60's and '70's most of us would taken a much firmer stance. We got old and worried about offending somebody. And then we worried that somebody would punish us for taking our stand. One thing is for sure, the Telcos would not have stood for such a bum's rush. The FCC and FBI guys would be running for cover from the Telco legal and lobby efforts. Our reaction was to brow beat anybody who questioned the the double speak. What happened to us? Do we feel we have too much to lose and no way to protect ourselves? Are we really in a free country or have we fooled ourselves about that as well? Lonnie -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Mark, This was one of the best emails you have ever written IMHO. Mark- interesting insights and ideas. Maybe Mark would consider running for the board? c -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango 900
What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a Trango 900 Mhz AP? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Senao Ap
We have deployed a couple dozen Senao aps, both the 2611 and 3220. All are less than a yr. old. Approximately half have died and exhibited the same symptoms: Lan connectivity good, broadcast good, users can connect but not get out onto the network. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tranzeo 900
Can anyone share experience with the Tranzeo 900 mhz product good or bad? One vendor has indicated it's a less than stellar product. Im wondering what actual field experience has been. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Orlando
Sounds like running a restaurant is akin to running a wisp c Remember this about reviews: People are more likely to complain than compliment. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Uh-Oh more 900MHz interference on it's way.....
Self Charging 900 Mhz basestation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Uh-Oh more 900MHz interference on it's way. Now this is from a company that wants to use 900MHz to transmit power to charge small devices, cell phones, etc. The technology works and they have a patent. Startup Beams Wireless Power to Charge Devices Powercast, a new Pennsylvania-based startup says its solution for wireless power harvesting is not only reliable, FCC-approved, and safe, but is also ready to debut in millions of small devices by the end of 2008, The Powercast solution is able to maximize power transfer by using a much broader area of the RF spectrum, the 900-MHz band. http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070402/tc_zd/204445;_ylt=Au07BVlpf1245VJnRa 4CavuSxLEF -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wispa list private?
Please don't take the general wispa list private. I think that taking such an action would be detrimental to all subscribers, both members and non-members and would be out of synch with the statement below. For the record- Im a member. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This list is dedicated to the regulatory, legislative and best practices of the WISP industry. The list is currently a public list server but will likely become a members only service in the near future. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] certification labs
Does anyone have a short list of companies that will certify systems? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] muni wi fi pricing
I read the article describing pricing and take rates for two separate muni networks: St. Cloud - free access, 80% take Tempe - $19.95/mos first 3 mos, $29.95/mos after that, 15% take Im wondering - is this a perception of value? Does free=low value/low network quality in the mind of the subscriber? Why would the take rate only be 15% for a $30/mos account in an urban market? Competitive pressure? Has anyone tried a wi fi pricing model somewhere in the middle? Maybe $10/mos w/ X take rate... Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango 5850 FOX to 5830 AP at close range
We had a similar thing happen to us- our SNR was great, but every so often it would just crash. It was on a flat roof, sled mount that held the radio @ 24 off the roof. After trying everything, we raised the mount up to @ 4ft and it solved the problem. chris On 2/14/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The building the SU is on is not much lower. It appears to have good line of site and the signal is a -60 on both sides. Additionally, when the link is up, it's perfect. One thing that I will note is the AP is only a few feet off the roof and about 12 ft from the edge due to the landlords requirements. Even though, it is clear LOS even an inch off the roof -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 445
Ok I paid up Please include us in CALEA filing Intelliwave, LLC Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave, LLC 740.592.0322 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WR mobile units
Has anyone installed the Waverider mobile units in vehicles? How long did it take, any pitfalls to watch out for? Thanks Chris Cooper -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)
Add a step before this- just contact the offender first, air your concern, try to work it out locally. Less trouble/intervention/attention for all parties involved. I still believe most people are decent. No need to call the dogs unless you are forced to. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) Steve, What you are suggesting here is very similar to what the ham radio community does now. I would add a step in your process, that first the offending WISP be contacted via official WISPA correspondence explaining what it is we are doing and the planned course of action through the FCC and give them a chance to correct the problems voluntarily. That's what the hams do and many times that works. If this process were to work, we might actually get recognition from the FCC as a monitor for this purpose. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Steve Stroh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) Mac: Aren't you one of those who wants to see dedicated WISP Spectrum become available, like 3650 or television broadcast whitespace? Do you think there's an incentive by the regulators to grant such spectrum exclusively to WISPs, when, as professionals you know about such behavior, and do nothing? For the regulators to create WISP-only spectrum would be seen as overtly supporting more of the same bad behavior? WISPA... of, by, and for WISPs, could take on some of these bad players as peers. Here's how I see it potentially working: 1) You suspect a bad player is operating in your immediate area 2) You gather as much information as you can - put together a BRIEF report documenting what you REALLY know - hard facts like data from spectrum analyzer, photos of towers and/or radios that aren't legal, lat/long of known base stations, etc. 3) You present this to the WISPA bad players committee 4) WISPA bad players committee convenes to discuss whether or not you may well have a case of interference. The bad players committee only has the time and budget available to proceed with a handful of such cases per year. 5) IF the bad players committee agrees with your conclusions, they select a volunteer to come to your area to provide independent verification as to whether the bad player is really operating illegally. Said volunteer is compensated at least minimally - travel expenses, hotel, a SMALL stipend, all paid for out of a WISPA budget 6) If the volunteer agrees with you, then the bad players committee creates a formal complaint to the FCC field office nearest the suspected violation with documentation, certification of the independent volunteer that in their direct observations and professional opinion, there's reasonable suspicion that the bad player is operating illegally. The complaint is submitted with the full force of WISPA,. 7) WISPA follows up; if the FCC investigates, then all is well. If the FCC deigns not to investigate, WISPA can escalate - possibly press releases, etc. WISPA needs to hold the FCC accountable for following through on the very few cases of suspected illegal WISP operations that WISPA refers to the FCC. As I see it, this process has sufficient checks and balances, and involves WISPA to the point where WISPA can provide cover. It's still small-scale enough for the we're just a bunch of small guys with limited resources nature of WISPA and its limited budget. Having WISPA deal with the FCC only after internal vetting and developing reasonable grounds for suspicion removes the potential for an individual WISP to tick off the FCC thinking that they're just whining about a competitor and the FCC's initial attitude of it's unlicensed spectrum, what do you EXPECT?!?!?! I'm sure that WISPA can get some expert advice about the wording for the formal referral to the FCC to the effect that WISPA isn't complaining about interference issues (which, everyone operating under Part 15 must accept) but rather WISPA is reporting suspected illegal, high-profile operations in violation of FCC Part 15 rules. The FCC doesn't have the resources for wild-goose chases, but if you really do your homework and the FCC can be reasonably sure that they won't be wasting their time, then they are much more likely to act. Thanks, Steve On Feb 8, 2007, at Feb 8 07:49 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: Marty, That was not a dig :-) No offense intended. I agree 100% with what you said and most of what Patrick generally has to say. (That aint no dig either Patrick) hehehe I was just picking on my brother Leary!! As far as UL operators - it is no different for us than it is in any other arena in the world. If there are limits placed there will always be those who try to exceed
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo 2.4
I am interested. Please hit me off list. If anyone is running Tranzeo 2.4, I have about 4 of their 17db 90degree Horizontal sectors collecting dust. As well as a few of the 900MHz radios. It turns out the big city of Greensboro is not very RF friendly outside of the 5.3/5.8 range :-) Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness
Tessco has them. Although- I went to my local outdoor store/pawn shop last week. They had a whole rack full of climbing harnesses that had been pawned. Not quite sure how to read that one. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Climbing Harness Hello Fellow WISP's I need to purchase a tower climbing harness. If you have one to sell, great, if you know of a company that sells them that would be great too. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness
Didn't say I bought one, just thought it made an interesting statement. They did have a real sweet Martin guitar though. -Original Message- From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness Chris, Read those harnesses at the pawn shop like this: D A N G E R!! D A N G E R!! A brand spanking new TOWER harness w/6 D rings costs about $200.00 - - why fool with a used one that may have lain in the back of a pick up for weeks, rain, sleet, snow, stepped on, bunched up, dry rot, molded,,etc? Life is short! They have the printing presses printing more money everyday, but we only have one life to live. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness Tessco has them. Although- I went to my local outdoor store/pawn shop last week. They had a whole rack full of climbing harnesses that had been pawned. Not quite sure how to read that one. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Climbing Harness Hello Fellow WISP's I need to purchase a tower climbing harness. If you have one to sell, great, if you know of a company that sells them that would be great too. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] i-phone
Didn't apple sign a deal w/ cingular? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] i-phone I tend to disagree. I WILL own one and I suspect it will become my primary communications device in my life. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We'll have to wait and see. I think that this will mostly be a niche product. The ipod folks might like it most, but there are a LOT of non ipod devices that do a nicer job and cost far less money if the stuff in my house is any indication. When the cell phone companies set the phones up to use their cell infrastructure OR a local wifi connection and are able to drop their costs because of it, I think it'll take off right nicely. Till then, lots of press cause all of the press folks love Apple eh? grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] i-phone How do you feel the rise of the i-phone (either cisco or apple) will affect your business? Will this be positive because it drives more customers onto your wi-fi networks with their dual mode phone? Or, will it be negative as more devices become standardized on cellular carrier's networks? Will they get into the wi-fi space? Should we be preparing for a cingular nodes on every available street level piece of vertical realestate? Chris Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] crown castle
Can anyone tell me what Crown Castle typically charges for a wisp type setup- 2 BH radios and a sector antenna? They are quoting me $1750 for the structural analysis. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] i-phone
How do you feel the rise of the i-phone (either cisco or apple) will affect your business? Will this be positive because it drives more customers onto your wi-fi networks with their dual mode phone? Or, will it be negative as more devices become standardized on cellular carrier's networks? Will they get into the wi-fi space? Should we be preparing for a cingular nodes on every available street level piece of vertical realestate? Chris Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MTU pricing
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this? For those of you in the MTU market- how do you handle pricing? By the unit? By the head? Does it make more sense to try to get the whole apt. at one time just like the gas company and have all the roommates pitch in on the bill, or does it make more sense to let everyone choose their own provider? From a retention standpoint, do you stand a better chance of keeping the other roommates if one guy is a deadbeat and wont pay and causes the whole apartment to get shut off? Or, his wireless card goes down, he cant use the service and lobbies for cable service. If his roommates are happy will they keep paying their own individual accounts and tell him to fix his own problem? Can you make more and keep more by charging say $10/head and giving everyone a choice or selling the whole unit for $35-$45? Chris intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] capstan
Jeff- Is the MY-TE as cumbersome when it is on a reese hitch as compared to the AB Chance? Price points look about the same. Can you hit me off list with pricing and details on your used one? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=cat_level=prod uct_id=10919 http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=cat_level=prod uct_id=10921 Chris/Ron: We started out with a MY-TE years ago, it was very heavy and cumbersome to operate. We now have customized a Reese hitch adapter with an AB Chance winch with foot pedal control. This capstan works great for WISP installations. If you are looking for a capstan, watch the tower-pro list on Yahoo. You never know you might stumble onto a great buy. If you like more info on my used MY-TE drop me a line off list. Check out the links above for more information on the AB Chance winch and accessories. Be Safe out there! Remember it is your Life that is on the Line. Jeff Mabry SlingShot Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] capstan Thanks Rick. -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 1, 2007 09:47 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan That particular winch was approximately $1800 new. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] capstan Than ks Rick, What is the approx. cost? I have seen a couple that tower guys put together, but had trouble finding the parts. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 05:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan Chris, I bought a 120v model this summer. We love it. http://www.myte.com/products_utility.html http://www.myte.com/distributors.asp?State=oh Happy New Years! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] capstan Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any pointers to a good one? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Can you share the method you use to link them up so quickly over such a distance? Thanks Chris I have aligned 5.8ghz links up to 73 miles (and even a test link at 137 miles) within 5 minutes start to finish. Is it possible you have another problem? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...
Hire Jack Unger. He was patient enough to beat all the rules into my head eventually. C If you hire a consultant that doesn't at least explain all of this to you, go hire a new consultant. The one you have either doesn't know the rules or he's only in it to take your money. And if he'll take your money without worrying about your long term legality, what else will he do to you? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Training Contractors
Find some satellite TV contractors that want to know more. Ive found them to be pretty skilled and slick at doing quality installs. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Training Contractors I am going to attempt to hire some new CPE installers, as contractors, paid by the job (peice work). (I see market rate around $100-$150 per job -residential). Finding guys that ALREADY know how to do it correctly, is not likely. This brings me to Training. How are you training the installers? Are you making them do a mandatory time period shadowing/apprenticing with one of your existing installers? If so, does their pay change for that period? Are you bringing them in-house for a significant duration Trainging Class? For example, a 1 week class room training? What minimum requirements do you expect them to have to be worthy to be trained? I hear that many are successfull hiring X-Satelite TV installers, but they are not likely to have extensive TCPIP experience. Its not easy finding a guy thats willing to climb a ladder daily and also had his free time being spent as a computer geek. They are two different breed people (The worken man and the intellectual). Do you train the geek to climb a ladder, or train the ladder climber to be a geek? I find that applicants that have physical labor backgrounds work faster, and enjoy their job as being a wireless installer, as adds many new challenges and is easier work. But the training can be tough starting at ground zero, how to configure the LAPTOP with an IP address. When I employed, and paid by the hour or salary, it was pretty easy to figure out who to hire. But contracting, a whole new set of issues arise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/607 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] capstan
Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any pointers to a good one? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC meeting with wisps
Im interested. When are you planning to go? Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: Principal WISPA Member List Subject: [WISPA] FCC meeting with wisps Importance: High Hi All, We're set to meet with the FCC (lots of new staff and a couple of new commissioners) in Feb. 14,15 or 16. Topics etc. are still being worked out. I'm also going to try to get a spot at: http://www.ftc.gov/opp/workshops/broadband/index.html I need 5 or 6 people that would like to go. Naturally, you'll have to cover your own expenses. I'll see if I can talk the board into helping a bit with those, but I'm not sure where we're sitting money wise right now. I think that only WISPA members should be invited to participate. Thoughts on this? If you are interested/available for a trip to DC please let me know ASAP so we can firm up all of the details. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] latency
Hi- Is there a methodology for predicting latency in a link that is X miles long with y noise floor etc? Thanks chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
This happened to us numerous times. We now tape over the connections- tape the connectors directly to the boards. Not a pretty solution but it works. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] remote power
Can anyone share what they use for remote power management/reboot devices? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] long BH links
We have a client that has needs for some BH links that stretch @ 23 miles. Links need to be reliable, but cost, as always, is an issue. The Orthogons are nice, but the price point can be pretty steep. The link budget works with tranzeos but I am a little concerned about reliability. How about the Atlas? Any other suggestions? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] long BH links
At least 10 mb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] long BH links Whats the bw requirements? We have up to 40 milers using Motorola BH10 units Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cooper Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] long BH links We have a client that has needs for some BH links that stretch @ 23 miles. Links need to be reliable, but cost, as always, is an issue. The Orthogons are nice, but the price point can be pretty steep. The link budget works with tranzeos but I am a little concerned about reliability. How about the Atlas? Any other suggestions? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Waverider
So does anyone have the latest scoop on WaveRider? Stability, product pipeline etc. It seems like most of the old names/faces are gone. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] mobile radios
Does anyone have any knowledge of ruggedized mobile units for first responders? Ive looked at WR. Any others? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Not sure I follow you Dennis- are you purchasing these new for this price or is this what you are valuing them at takeover? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients We are picking up 2.4 gig CPE/Routers, QOS, NAT, and DHCP is all built into the CPE, for what, 99 bucks! 150 something including a 19db antenna, where the 99 is a 12 db antenna. BTW, both are B/G and 400mw output. Good for here in MO with our dang HILLS! Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients You missed the thread though Blair. Our CPEs are as low as $245 complete and only $285 for very low volume (25 a quarter). We have AUs now also for about $2500 MSRP (list price). And we can filter and control packets without a router, including broadcast packet rate limiting. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Why provide routers? To improve the isolation of the user from the network. To filter and control packets at the customer end before they clog up my wireless bandwidth. We run private IP space on our wireless network for the same reasons. We provide anti-virus and anti-spyware software for the same reasons. I'd love to be able to put up $500 cpe's and $5000 AP's But in my area, that would price me out of the market. We Patrick Leary wrote: Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my home. At work we have our own router. VL also can do VLAN, all the way to QinQ 802.3ad VLANs. It does 802.1q. It does layer 2 802.1p. Layer 3 prioritization with IP TOS (RFC791) and DSCP (RFC2474). And layer 4 with UDP/TCP port range. And we can deliver real VoIP QoS with a MOS of 4.0 and better using our proprietary WLP (wireless link prioritization) protocol. (And that's not marketing goop, it's been tested by a tier 1 operator and it blew them away.) Plus, in the end the thing that I admit really gets me is that some of these products simply are not legal at all and are illegally shipped in from overseas. If we just blatantly flauted the laws we could save tons in RD and legal too. It has always been disappointing that some WISPs simply don't care about that. Especially when at the same time the same WISP might complain that another WISP is over driving a system. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: reduced truck roll, Where are you getting this? I have been in the ISP business longer than MOST people on this list. I have nothing bad to say about Alvarion equipment, but the fact is, that to use Alvarion gear in any network I would build, you would HAVE to add an addition cost for a router. SO, we would add another $25ish to the cost of your CPE. At this point, the price is exactly the same (or very close). NOW, let's talk about upsell capability. With the Alvarion solution (including a router), I could upgrade the speed, but that costs how much? I could offer a firewall, vpn, qos or other options, but I'd have to change the cost of the router from a $25 router to (at least) a $100 router. If I am able to hit one customer in an area, but the others have obscured LOS, I would have to build another AP somewhere, where with MT, I could just add an $80 (including antenna) upgrade to their router and offer service off that new AP. I can offer real options for firewall, vpn, qos from their ethernet port all the way to my network edge. Did I miss anything? Perhaps there are other options that Alvarion has that I missed. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote
[WISPA] ethernet
Im looking for a source of high quality exterior cat5 for tower installations. has to be uv rated, sheilded w/ ground. Any pointers are appreciated. thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] on call staff
So how do you handle the guys on call over a weekend? They may not get dispatched, but they are the tech responsible for responding in case of an outage, thus avoiding management having to hunt someone down on a sat. nite to work an outage. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] on call staff I prefer to speak for myself regarding MVN policy on overtime since I run the company. We do not work our salaried staff like sled dogs regardless of the way Dave may have been misunderstood in his message. Dave did include a smiley face which was supposed to indicate he was joking. I have never told staff that they have to work more than 40 hours per week without compensation. I have told them that as a salary worker they are to make sure the job is done at all times regarding their position. Only professional level staff are on salary. They are not required to maintain a daily log of their time. They can and are encouraged to come and go as they please to handle their personal and work lives. If they work a long day I would expect them to take the next day off or leave early, etc. This is called comp time and is a legitimate way of handling settlement of extra work hours. I know that my staff understands this. My labor intensive techs work by the hour. They get paid time and a half for anything over 40 hours per week. They get paid sick time. They get paid personal days. They get paid vacations. They get paid holidays. They get bonuses. Just setting the record straight here. Scriv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) That would be incorrect big-time. Check you local labor laws. Most states, just because someone is on 'Salary' does not automatically make them in-eligible for over-time pay. Keep your life simple, and your moral principles intact for the long run. A work week is 40Hr, when someone works more than that, the need to paid Overtime pay. There are other ways to deal with 'spike' in work time durations, Comp-time, variable schedule etc. The bigger issue in reality is How not to overburden and Burnout your after hours person ! These folks are a lot harder to find, if and when you loose such a person, you would be paying a very heavy personal price for it Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] on call staff chris cooper wrote: How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call duties? We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of outage. Put 'em on salary, that way you can work them as much as you want without guilt. ;) I'm not a tower climber, but I'm the one on-call pretty much all the time. In the event of a big problem, I'll usually triage it (drive to the tower, see if it's just a power outage or something else I can't easily fix), and if it's something for which we need the tower guy, I call him (and he gets normal overtime pay). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect
I would be real happy if they would just overhaul the Erate program- just enforce the policy they already have in place. I cant think of a single program that has greater ability to foster rural broadband investment than this. c There's nothing here about entreprenurial types being the stars of the internet spread, it's the failure of government to make it happen. The solution to our broadband crisis must ultimately involve public-private initiatives like those that built the railroad, highway and telephone systems. Combined with an overhaul of our universal service system to make sure it is focusing on the needs of broadband, this represents our best chance at recapturing our leadership position. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC definitions
Does a WISP fall under the designation of a telecommunications carrier even though it isnt required to file form 499-a? Under definition found at USC title 47,153.40 , it appears that an ISP and in particular a WISP offers telecommunications services and is deemed a telecommunications carrier . From The USAC website: To be a telecommunications carrier, the carrier must (1) allow the customer to transmit information of its own design and choosing, without change in the form or content of the information, and (2) provide that capability for a fee directly to the public, or to such classes of users as to be effectively available to the public (i.e., hold itself out to serve indifferently all potential users). USAC defines a carrier as above. They also require that Eligible Telecommunications Carriers file 499-A. As an industry, if we supply telecommunications services, as defined above, directly to a school or library and dont file the 499 is that considered breaking the rules? Im caught between a rock and the horns of a dilemma. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC erate contact
Hi- Does anyone have a good contact at the FCC erate division? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB 112
Does anyone have pointers to an exterior enclosure for a RB 112? We use the mini-box enclosures for wrap boards. Im looking for something similar for a Rb Thanks CHris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ohio clec
Has anyone here gone through the process of gaining clec status in ohio? If so, could you hit me offlist? I have a couple questions for you. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hotspot revenue
How many of you have done an advertising based revenue model for hotspots or mesh? Im interested in discussing how folks have monetized the captive eyeballs of both their customer base and/or the transient users that traverse the hotspot network. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC)
No- what Im saying is that rolling, or hilly terrain is inherently difficult to cover. We are in pretty hilly terrain, use 900 and its rough at times. We almost always do signal testing for each prospect. We have paging down as low as 158.7 that still wont propagate everywhere. A big high ridge is a real signal killer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) Will 700Mhz not work like the local tv station broadcast? I mean, if someone can pick up a local tv station's broadcast via an antenna, they should be able to receive broadband via the same spectrum, right? Are you saying that 700Mhz is not much better than 900Mhz? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Chris Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) You are still going to need to do site surveys w/ 700. If you are in rolling terrain, the 700 is going to have the same problem with dirt as 900 c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) I can see both sides. Since we haven't implemented the new policy yet, we may just charge the $29.99 site survey fee if they decline service after a successful site survey. We only charge $99 for installation and our CPE is provided on a free-to-use basis as we are competing against one other WISP, cable and DSL. Out of 10 site surveys, only 3 or 4 are successful due to the rolling terrain in our coverage area and we have (17) broadcast sites! Now if we were using 900Mhz, we could probably double our site survey success rate but fewer people would be interested because of the cost of the 900Mhz CPE which we would have to pass along to them in order for it to be feasible. In a perfect world, prospects should expect to pay for an onsite site survey because there are costs involved (labor and gas). Too bad we don't live in a perfect world. Hopefully unlicensed 700Mhz will become available in our lifetime and we can avoid site surveys altogether. I wonder though if it will be less costly than 900Mhz gear when/if that time does come? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) I would not be happy about the $29.95 fee. If you can get away with it go right ahead. I look at it the customer is betting $29.95 that they can get service. I would rather have it here if they can get service, and they don't then they are charged $29.95. If they can't get service why should they have to pay $29.95? That would be like going to buy a new car. You want a Blue one with a stick shift. The dealer can't get you one, but they charge you $29.95 for looking. I think the word will spread pretty quickly. Customers are a weird beast. I can see the coffee shop conversations now: Joe:Yeah that company came out and did a site survey to see if they could get me wireless Bob How did that go? Joe The installer guy waived an antenna around and said he could not get me a signal Bob Too bad, so what now? Joe I don't know, but I got charged $29.95 for him coming out Bob What? They are supposed to come out next week. I don't want them charging me $29.95 if they can't hook me up. Just my .02 Justin -- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Access - WISP Consulting - Tower Climbing Web: http://www.mtin.net Web: http://www.jwilson.ws -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
RE: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC)
You are still going to need to do site surveys w/ 700. If you are in rolling terrain, the 700 is going to have the same problem with dirt as 900 c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) I can see both sides. Since we haven't implemented the new policy yet, we may just charge the $29.99 site survey fee if they decline service after a successful site survey. We only charge $99 for installation and our CPE is provided on a free-to-use basis as we are competing against one other WISP, cable and DSL. Out of 10 site surveys, only 3 or 4 are successful due to the rolling terrain in our coverage area and we have (17) broadcast sites! Now if we were using 900Mhz, we could probably double our site survey success rate but fewer people would be interested because of the cost of the 900Mhz CPE which we would have to pass along to them in order for it to be feasible. In a perfect world, prospects should expect to pay for an onsite site survey because there are costs involved (labor and gas). Too bad we don't live in a perfect world. Hopefully unlicensed 700Mhz will become available in our lifetime and we can avoid site surveys altogether. I wonder though if it will be less costly than 900Mhz gear when/if that time does come? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Outsourced installations (KyWiFi LLC) I would not be happy about the $29.95 fee. If you can get away with it go right ahead. I look at it the customer is betting $29.95 that they can get service. I would rather have it here if they can get service, and they don't then they are charged $29.95. If they can't get service why should they have to pay $29.95? That would be like going to buy a new car. You want a Blue one with a stick shift. The dealer can't get you one, but they charge you $29.95 for looking. I think the word will spread pretty quickly. Customers are a weird beast. I can see the coffee shop conversations now: Joe:Yeah that company came out and did a site survey to see if they could get me wireless Bob How did that go? Joe The installer guy waived an antenna around and said he could not get me a signal Bob Too bad, so what now? Joe I don't know, but I got charged $29.95 for him coming out Bob What? They are supposed to come out next week. I don't want them charging me $29.95 if they can't hook me up. Just my .02 Justin -- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Access - WISP Consulting - Tower Climbing Web: http://www.mtin.net Web: http://www.jwilson.ws -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] lightning
We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago. It was an awesome spectacle to witness. It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place. Which leads me to a couple of questions: How do you handle customer installations that get fried? We install and own the gear. We are taking the external ones on the chin. We took down one panel that has a big black hole right in the center. Another customer has a hole in his roof- our gear died along with the roof. What do you do if the customer AC takes a shot, and burns your equipment? Do they pay because it came in on their side or do you take the replacement and the truck roll on the chin because you own the equipment? We have multiple brands of products on the same towers. The tower that took a hit was populated with, among other things, some B-14s, proxim QB, and some Tranzeos. All units are grounded to the same structure/bussbar. The Tranzeos seem much more sensitive to lightning than some of the other products. Has anyone had any similar experiences with them? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wave wireless
I just happened to read the announcement on the wave wireless site regarding Charles Browns resignation and the companys considering the sale of certain product lines and business units This along with the recent merger leaves me feeling a little uneasy about WW. Does anyone have any insight regarding the stability of the company? c -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: NY Times broadband article
Don't know if anyone posted this or not. Interesting trend - ilecs selling off landline services in rural areas to smaller, less capitalized companies. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/technology/28vermont.html?ex=115967520 0en -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
You might want to check out til-tek and antel. They are not cheap, but they are highh quality. c -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Joshua M. AndrewsSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:37 PMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!? Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices?
We pay $64/mb for 50 mb over fiber after the initial 10 meg commitment.24 mos commit on package c -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:58 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices? I pay $250 per meg for 95% percentile of usage on a 100 meg pipe. Or $200 per meg on average on a 10 meg pipe. Both are fiber connections. We have some 3 meg dsl links in remote towns that I pay $70 for. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices? How much is everyone paying for good quality bandwidth? We're in the market for 10Mbps - 20Mbps and we're seeing pricing around $100 a meg for the bandwidth only (we'll be providing our own transit via wireless). This is for Sprint bandwidth via fiber (upstream has two OC12 circuits and has a ton of excess bandwidth available). I'm thinking about asking them for a quote for10Mbps/10Mbps burstable to 100Mbps/100Mbps. Anyone have a burstable plan like this with their upstream? How are high bandwidth burstable plans like this usually priced by a provider? One provider's quote difference between 10Mbps and 20Mbps was $400. Is this typical, do fiber prices really drop off like this once you purchase more than 10Mbps? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-FounderKyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"http://www.KyWiFi.comCall Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet$14.99 Home Phone Service$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV- No Phone Line Required for DSL- FREE Activation Equipment- Affordable Upfront Pricing- Locally Owned Operated- We Also Service Most Rural Areas=== -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Outsourced installations
Im sure this has been covered before.. Have any of you outsourced installations? If so, has it been a positive experience, how much do you pay a contractor? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower power
We have an enclosure @ 400 that is powered from the same circuit as tower lighting. Its been acting a little strange lately, so we went up with a voltmeter to check the power. The meter showed fluctuations from 140-170v AC at the outlet. We tested at the back of the ups and have a steady 130v. This powers a waverider CCU and a couple backhauls. Im not an electrician, known enough to be dangerous. Is the 130 enough to make my gear get squirrely? The ups seems to be keeping the voltage steady at the backend. Im thinking of putting an isolation xformer in. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
Can anyone else confirm/deny this? Thanks Chris I thought the issue was that the cards are mis marked. Marked back wards. The outside corner is actually antenna port A . Card says B George Anthony Will wrote: It looks like he is talking about the antenna ports on the mPCI card. There are generally two u.fl or some combo u.fl and sma, etc. He is stating that if you utilize the wrong port on the card then what is configured you will loss 20+db of signal. It also looks like the WLM54AG's have an issue where they loss some signal if you utilize the secondary port / b port on the card. FYI I have not used the WLM54AG card as of yet. Sticking with my old reliable cm9's and SR5's -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cable right of entry
I have a marketing exclusive with an MTU for broadband. The cable sales folks keep showing up soliciting new business for their phone/broadband/video offering. Property mgmt. has been telling the cable reps that they do not have rights to solicit, only install on his premises. Their isnt a valid contract between MTU and Cable Co. Cable mgmt. keeps spouting off about right of entry. I always thought this gave them the right enter to install or make service calls, period. Can someone give me the text book definition of right of entry? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WDS
Has anyone had any luck with off the shelf WDS cpe units working in combination with SR2 radios? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WLM54G
Does anybody have any experience good/bad with the WLM54G cards? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] roll your own radios..
It sounds like several of you here build your own radios and use off the shelf antennas. So if I buy a board, cards and an antenna what are my obligations to FCC as far as having a certified system in production? Thanks for the education Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
Thats a thought, but rigging an HPOL omni @ 800' is a bit of a grind, not to mention the truck rolls and customer touches. We cant add more gear to that tower per the owner, only swap antenna for antenna. That rules out multiple sectors. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system Hi, We just had this exact problem last month. We switched from veritcal to horizontal on our AP and I think we fixed the problem. I haven't heard on their latest reading, so I'm not sure. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: Try flipping polarities of one of the systems if possible. If they use point to point yagis, as I have seen often, then setting the water company to a different polarity to you should be a simple fix. How wide (in megahertz) is the bandwidth of their system? How wide is yours? I know Waverider is 5.5 MHz wide. What are you using for 900 MHz? Scriv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Tighten their antenna, or shield it *Chuck Profito * *209.988.7388* *CV-ACCESS, INC* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * */Providing High Speed /* */Broadband to Rural California/* -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *chris cooper *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:34 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
America wants cheap food. Period. In the past, cattle took better than 30 months to reach slaughter weight on grass. Under current industrialized agricultural methods cattle can go from birth to the meat case in less than 12 months. Its very similar for chickens, hogs or any other common form of protein we consume on a daily basis. All this requires cheap grain, which in turn is produced with assistance of govt. subsidization. In the past, meat was often a luxury meal for most Americans. Now we all get to eat it nearly every day. Most of my neighbors farm. I dont know one of them that would be taking subsidies just to screw the American taxpayer. Farmers usually just end up being a small cog in the great wheel of food production. So, if you dont like the system, dont participate. Buy all your food from a local producer and pay the actual price of production+profit. Dont patronize Safeway, or Walmart or Kroger etc.- otherwise you are implicitly participating in the system. Its a much more complicated issue than just paying farmers not to produce. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Yes, I totally DISAGREE with the government paying people to NOT grow crops. What ever happened to supply and demand? I thought that was lesson #1 in Economics. Travis Microserv Cliff Leboeuf wrote: So David,I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the governmentpaying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO cansurvive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over productioncreating too much product for not enough demand...?:)On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, andgovernment subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speedInternet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on theshoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your networkor for Joe User to get your service.If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to livein rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services(water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anythingand everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No onemakes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and theyshould take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associatedwith that decision.Just my own 2 cents.Dave989-837-3790 x 151989-837-3780 fax[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.mercury.net129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640- Original Message -From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PMSubject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup andinstallation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your ownpocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not beable to hook up to a WISP.Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access.Thanks,Chadd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff BroadwickSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'mhere to helpyou:-)Jeff BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introducesbilltoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
Marlon- I agree with you - Subsidies aren't just hand outs so some hayseed farmer can sit on the porch all day spittin redman at the dog. Its much more clever and insidious than that. Americans spend tax $$ on Agricultural Subsidies and get to eat crap, sometimes literally, for their investment. The subsidies really are about cheap raw materials for industrial food processors, feedlots, additive manufacturers etc. They get cheap grain, Americans get feed cheap food. And often there is not a whole lot of food in the food. Earl Butz and Richard Nixon started America down this slippery slope long before Carter showed up. They were the ones responsible for the dismantling of the grain bank loans in favor of direct cash payments to producers. Thanks for the insight from a farmer's perspective. chris Oh boy, this is gonna be GREAT (said in my best Animal House voice) Unlike some others here I'm gonna take this on. Please feel free to expand on my thoughts as needed. WISPA is a political organization guys. We work with the FCC, congress, state and local governments. Eventually we'll help other countries make things better for their people too. It's important that people here, especially the business owners, understand how things REALLY work. To get to that point we have to talk to each other about what happens on OUR watch. Otherwise all we learn is one sided and we can't form reality based opinions. Having said that, I agree with you 100% David. As far as you've gone.. We own thousands of acres. Not me, my parents though. We get a LOT of money for not growing wheat every year. Believe me, it's not a good thing for the community. We buy less fuel, equipment, fertilizer, insurance etc. etc. etc. Many farm towns are all but dead because they can't support the churches, grocery stores, clothing stores, hardware stores etc. Wal-Mart hasn't helped, but mostly it's the lost of bodies that has hurt. When the school district is loosing kids you know people, especially the next generation just aren't staying here. But what's a body to do? Out here most of the ground we're being paid not to raise crops on is really bad ground. It should not have ever been pulled from grazeland in the first place. But there's not always been more food than people, so folks planted every acre they could. Farming used to be a good living. Back before Jimmy Carter that is. His choice to use food as a political weapon caused other countries to start growing a LOT of food. And our wonderful universities and government was all too happy to teach them how. So now we don't feed you AND the whole world. We feed you and part of the world. Farmers today compete against Australia, south america, China and a lot of other countries. Here we have more rules that everyone, not only the farmers but the suppliers of our chemicals and machinery too, have to follow so our costs are often driven much higher than our competitors. But we've got good ground and we know how to take care of it so we can probably keep up that way. Many of those other countries subsidize their farmers or tax our incoming crops though. Sometimes both. In those cases we certainly can not compete. If we can't compete we go out of business. If no one in the industry can compete the industry eventually shuts down. When's the last time you saw a wagon wheel plant? Or a blacksmith shop? It does happen. In those cases though, there's been something else, something better to take it's place. What are you going to do for food if you can't afford to grow it here? You can live without your computers if someone blocks the ships coming to our shores. You can survive without your TV, radio, mp3 player etc. Let me ask you, if there's another big war and you were on the other side, what's the first thing you'd do? Me, I'd shut down America's access to the rest of the world. Without America many economies would collapse, war materials couldn't get out, and nothing, including (especially???) food would get in. Governments know that as long as people are eating it's not likely that they will revolt. When they start to starve, when the children die, bullets start to fly. And NO government, even the mighty Romans, survives when the people are against them. The USA spends less per capita on food than almost any country in the world. If you allow too many farmers to go broke that won't be the case. You'll have to buy food instead of that new car. Here's where it gets really interesting. Did you know that the farmers can't sell their crops themselves in most cases? There are two or three exporters in the whole country. They sell the wheat AND set the prices that the farmers are paid. I can't go to, say, China, and say, Look, you're paying $5 for a bushel of wheat. I only get $3.75, how about if I sell to you at $4.50 and we both win? How would you like to have to sell your internet to
[WISPA] RB 532
Can anyone tell me if the following configuration will work? RB532-SR2/SR2+RB502-SR5/SR9 4 slots full. Would the node have enough muscle to power all the cards properly? chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] SR9s?
I didnt see any replies to yesterdays post. Anybody know where to get some more SR9 cards? Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz antenna
superpass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz antenna Where do I find a 180* sector? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 8/2/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cat5 cable
Im installing some 120 runs of cat 5 in building shafts. I also need to take this through a roof penetration and 20 across the roof to hook up to my radios. I can find exterior cable and riser rated cable, but not one that will serve both needs. Anybody have any idea where I can find such a beast? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wrap 2 power
We are rolling out some wrap 2 based nodes. The node, including power will be mounted externally. Has anyone devised a way to weather harden the AC plug/POE block combo? Ive got an idea for a 2nd , small enclosure that piggy backs on the radio enclosure, but Im wondering if someone has come up with a slick way to do this. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] photo cell power
Has anyone powered radios directly off street light photo cell adapters? Any pros or cons would be appreciated. Thanks chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Sedona, AZ
Does anyone know of any recent wisp acquisitions in Sedona? If you do could you hit me off list, I have a couple questions. Thanks, Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program
Sounds like a mighty long ROI.. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program Earthlink primarily uses Tropos mesh, with about 40-50 nodes per square mile backhauled with Canopy 5GHz on about a 1:3 (mesh:Canopy) ratio. Patrick -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program Can you tell us how this network is structured? How many Tropos units per backhaul radio are used? What platform is used for backhaul? Is it 5, 2.4 or 900 for backhaul? How is the performance of this network? Anything else you can share is appreciated. Scriv Anthony Will wrote: Im in MN where the city of Chaska has had a large tropos network running for a couple years. About 80% of in home customers have to purchase a wireless modem (CB3) to get a stable signal in their home. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. On 7/3/06, *Charles Wu* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom, The WHOLE PURPOSE of a WiFi Mesh Network Strategy is to AVOID THE COST OF THE CPE TRUCK ROLL Now -- whether this theory works in practice is a whole nother issue -Charles P.S. FWIW - personally, I find the the concept (from an ROI perspective) of a service provider WiFi mesh to be a bit far-fetched, but then again, 10 years ago, I told the founder of half.com http://half.com that you was bonkers, and proceded to get into the wireless biz =/ --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program The primary difference being that in the Canopy Fixed Wireless you are including end user CPE. The largest cost to detur take rate when WISPS make subs pay for it. Its likely that one can assume that many of the subscribers will need to install outdoor equipment (adding $100-$300 BUCKS), to reliably connect to the mesh. So you could easilly add $1.5 million to the mesh cost for CPE, or remove $1.5million from the Fix Wireless plan if you were going to compare apples to apples. What Mesh still has on its side is mobility. The question is what value should a WISP put on that. Mobility can be easilly be the reason to justify why a muni should support a oublic interest project. (cable and DSL go to the home but NOT mobile for teh community to share.). Mobilty also allow Muni type applications, such as to support travelling users (commerce), or Mobile government work force. Mesh also gives Muni bargining power in the deployment, as it uses an asset of value that the governement has to trade and offer (easements, light poles, and power from them). In a Fixed Wireless deployment it could easilly be argued that teh givernemnt has little assets of value to the provider. Its usually the independant property owners tht have the preferred assets for signal distribution. For example, in my county, I am allowed free access to city infrastructure as a requirement that allowed tower building restrictions to be passed years ago. But yet I chose to pay for broadcast sites, because teh Governement do not own the best sites that are advantageous to me. Part of my point is that its not jsut the radios costs that are relevant. I'm starting to think that the Tropos, use all verticle, use only one channel all across the network, design may not be to bad an ideas after all. If it solves the challenge to get mobility well, and does not work well for subs inside their homes, it still allows lots of spectrum for the high quality Fixed Wireless providers. Part of the arguement is that its possible that MESH may be the only way to get mobilty well. And maybe the answer is to deliver it with the least impact on everyone else. Of course Alvarion mobile products have shown otherwise for vehichle mobile solutions. So what would happen if more Fixed Wireless manufacturers made Mobile CPEs? Would it get rid of some of teh need of mesh? Sure mesh gives person/laptop mobility, but will any one really use it? There is a good arguement that
[WISPA] Wv Coverage anyone?
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K Im looking for some connectivity in Huntington and Charleston West Virginia. If anyone can help, hit me off list. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cat 5 grounding
Hi- Can anyone tell me the best way to ground shielded Cat 5 cable? Thanks, Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
We had a tech that specd the wrong amp once. I opened the box as soon as we received it. I saw that the connectors were wrong, and called hyperlink immediately. All I wanted to do was exchange the amps for the same units with a different style connector. No dice. They told me the sale was final but they would like to sell me new units. Im not the smartest guy in the world, but I know when someone doesnt value my business. Plus, it takes hyperlink sales two days to return calls. No thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tut systems
Does anyone have any experiences to share with the Tut Systems DSL gear - both chasis and CPE? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.3 Ghz sectors
Im looking for some good 5.3 ghz sectors to use with some tranzeos. Any recommendations? Thanks, Chris Cooper -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RouterBoard 112s
Does anyone know how much of the band you take up as you raise the raw data rate on the SR9s? Ie, if I use 5 Mhz, what is the data rate, 10Mhz? Chris Cooper Intelliwave I will be trying them as soon as the SR9 cards arrive.. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] West Lafayette, IN
Can anyone point me to some wholesale bandwidth in West Lafayette IN? Hit me off list if you can help. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue - long term revenue This is just my view: The days of making money off just internet connectivity are closing fast. Even the RBOCs realize that they will need to charge more and add services and bundle. Some have added secure email**, desktop support, internet security, etc. to boost the ARPU. Plus bundles lock the customer up for 2 to 3 years. Managed services are where the rubber meets the road. Technology has gotten beyond th eaverage user's mental grasp. Remember that the average consumer couldn't set a VCR clock, but now has to figure out streaming video, iPods, mp3, mp4, digital pictures, online photo albums, etc. Beyond their understanding. In a sales class I took they explained that if someone bought an item, it is your job to vacuum up the plate with accessories to make that item more useful and valuable to the customer. Like selling a cable with a printer plus paper.^^ - Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. 813-963-5884 (**why Indie ISPs did not capture this market first I have no idea) (^^ joke at http://www.askmen.com/jokes/2001_feb/feb28.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
