Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
Ooma does not count as offering VoIP service. Since you are not billing the customer (i.e. collecting revenue) or collecting fees (specifically FUSF) you do not file a 499 nor a 477 for services provided through Ooma. Atheral White-Label VoIP on the other hand does count, as you are providing a white-label (vs. a resale) service and billing your customers. Some information about our offering can be found here: https://atheral.co/wlvoip Happy to discuss offlist with anyone... you can book a meeting with me here: https://calendly.com/atheralsales/prtdemo Thank you, photograph Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct:+1 (702) 470-2770 James Wilson via Wireless wrote on 7/22/19 06:15: We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't hear anything about a phone service seminar. For anyone else that is trying to keep up: NANP is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan N11 is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in Memphis. We'll check on it. Please let us know if there are others that may be better. We're not exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a smartphone with WiFi calling. But it looks like we're going to have to offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on! Thank you, -James Wilson RidgeComms On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken <mailto:cai...@wispa.org>> wrote: Yes, N11. *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com <mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com> mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM *To:* Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting Claude X11 or should the reference be N11 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> *On Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM *To:* James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label. Yes, has to be reflected on 477. We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon. Original message From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting Is there some information about what is considered phone service? Can we just offer something like Ooma? Does this phone service need to be reflected in FCC 477? Is there a place to go for further information? Thanks! On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote: There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that will effect all WISP’s. Please review the documents below. Short summary: 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information. Personally this is a good thing. RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service & phone. WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th. A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s. There is no way to stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do. Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on rural broadband. */YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART/* to either position yourself to receive this funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA Policy Committee Chair 419-261-5996 Begin forwarded message: *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>> *Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting* *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT *To: *"'policycommit...@w
Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole
Also use a cable grip at the top. In all seriousness though, use BBDGE or something similar. Biggest issue I have had with monopoles over the years is interference on the cable. Had this bite me many times. BBDGE resolved those issues. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole Most of the good quality outdoor Ethernet cables have a 'strength tape' in the middle... UBNT Carrier has a nice piece of plastic in the middle... Shireen cable has a nice fiber tape .. etc etc. If you can tie these cables at the top securely, then there should be no issue is letting it dangle in the center of the monopole. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _ From: "Chris Fabien" mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:39:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole Tips on what connectors to use? That looks like a very thick cable. Also how to hang it at the top? On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote: bbdge or bbdg6 On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Chris Fabien mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote: We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the leg. Any suggestions? Thanks Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
Okay my 2 cents - and I'm largely taking my vendor hat off here. So something to add to the offlist discussion I had with Mike (some Latvian companies have heard of MEF, and already have roadmaped Y.1731 in their Integra radios)... there is A LOT of certifications for MEF... http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications OAM is just one part of the puzzle. I'm sure Mikrotik, just like many manufacturers, could say we are MEF compliant (and we (SAF) already are on things like 9 & 14). Certification costs A LOT of money. Just joining the organization is $15,000 USD annually. So for a WISP focused manufacturer (and Mikrotik isn't the only router manufacturer focused on WISP's right?) spending the huge sums without seeing there will be a return (how many people are building OAM into their networks... probably a handful here) isn't worth the investment. So make it worth the investment. :-) Carrier Ethernet is many things, it's not just one thing. And what it is has different definitions to different people. Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) or ITU-T (International Telecommunications Union) or IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) is not a specific thing... but a lot of things. Y.1731 is actually an ITU-T recommendation, similar to IEEE 802.1AG. MEF has an interpretation of Y.1731 included in MEF 17, 30.1, 31, 31.0.1, 35, 35.0.1, 35.0.2, 36, 38, and 39 with test suites 21 and 25. SAF tends to stick to ITU and IEEE certifications. But since MEF develops their recommendations from them, we are usually compliant. An argument could be made that MEF is an organization made up to line the pockets of a small few by charging exorbitant rates to get equipment or networks certified based on standards created by ITU and IEEE. Kinda like a good ol' boys club (together we set the standard, and I promise I'll buy a lot after we charge you this large amount of money for "Certification" to block your competition)... Usually on the Tier 1 networks require certification, which happen to be the ones that created MEF to begin with (and also the vendors that tend to be heavily involved). Of course anyone can join MEF and get certification... but the cost barrier to entry is high. My point being - make sure to be specific to any manufacturer what you are asking for. Don't say "you need carrier Ethernet" or "you need MEF compliance/certification" but instead be specific "I'd like Y.1731 compliance in your equipment." Point to a specific standard... it helps a lot. Maybe tell them which routerboards specifically need it - some of their hardware probably can't support it (or at least well). Anyways I promise the inner-core of Mikrotik has heard of MEF. But all manufacturers engineer towards demand (or perceived demand in the case of more visionary ideas) because that is how we make money. I can't promise everyone in sales, engineering, or tech support at SAF know what MEF is... but I promise the people that work on our Ethernet stack, that work in Ethernet product development (why does an RF engineer need to know what MEF is?), and work in our testing department know. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF Not the same when you are a router manufacturer... Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com<mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com> - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Vil
Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless
Thanks for the heads up Gino! Now I know what AP is going into my new office. I love Ruckus... but the price was always the killer thing. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless New player vs UBNT Outdoor 11AC AP for $299 http://www.xclaimwireless.com/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Andrew does not make 24GHz unlicensed antennas. Market is too small I guess. SAF uses Tongyu and Arkivator for this band. Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:42 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio > > Canada licensed 400 MHz from 24.250-24.450 GHz plus 25.050-25.250 GHz, so > it is pretty much harmonized along the lines of the U.S., but the unlicensed > 24 GHz band came along later. > > The result is that if Bryce wants to go with unlicensed, he does not need dual > polarity here, but he does need at least 33 dBi antenna gain. > > He has told me since that he wants to use unlicensed, so now we are looking > at a different situation, because you cannot even get the valueline antenna > in the lower 24 GHz. > > Daniel > > Fred Goldstein wrote .. > > On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: > > > Sure - > > > > > > > http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details > > > .aspx?id=27271 > > > > > > I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) > > > > > > > That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster > > referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the > > smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > Bryce Duchcherer wrote .. > > > > Do you have a link? > > > > > > > > Bryce D > > > > NETAGO > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On Behalf > > > > Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio > > > > > > > > Bryce, > > > > > > > > I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a > > > -26 model, and > > > > you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. > > > >> Hi Bryce, > > > >> > > > >> Of course - there is an 8" antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - > > > >> that will do the job. > > > >> > > > >> I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone > > > >> should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small > > > >> enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that > size. > > > >> > > > >> Daniel Mullen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Bryce Duchcherer wrote .. > > > >>> Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? > > > >>> It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. > > > >>> > > > >>> Bryce D > > > >>> NETAGO > > > > ___ > > > > Wireless mailing list > > > > Wireless@wispa.org > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Wireless mailing list > > > > Wireless@wispa.org > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > -- > > Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting > > Group > > +1 617 795 2701 > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
There is an 8in antenna option... also note the question comes from Canada and not the USA. SAF certainly offers it... and it meets the gain and beamwidth requirements below (3.3 degree beamwidth, and 33dBi gain antenna). [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:04 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio On 10/23/2014 3:00 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. It may be a problem because the FCC rules for that band are pretty strict. From 15.249: (3) Antenna gain must be at least 33 dBi. Alternatively, the main lobe beamwidth must not exceed 3.5 degrees. The beamwidth limit shall apply to both the azimuth and elevation planes. At antenna gains over 33 dBi or beamwidths narrower than 3.5 degrees, power must be reduced to ensure that the field strength does not exceed 2500 millivolts/meter. So you can't get much smaller than a foot an still stay within the 3.5 degree beamwidth, at least using oonventional dishes. (To be sure, I haven't done or seen a computation of exactly how big a dish that would be, or what alternative shapes would do, but I assume that the uniformity of 24 GHz antennas is based on that rule.) -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pink Day Bibs Auction
Jim the ebay link does not work. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:36 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pink Day Bibs Auction Here ya go folks, your chance to stand out in the crowd and help find a cure! This auction will start on Saturday and end at noon on Pink Day. The winner can pick them up at booth 308 or we will ship ground free of charge to the lower 48 if you can't make the show. 100% of this Ebay auction goes to the National Breast Cancer Foundation. These are new, custom one of a kind, tie died, Carhartt Bibs, with the NBCF logo and ribbon embroidered on them. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Breast-Cancer-Awareness-Bib-Overalls-WISPAPALOOZA-/221572562548 If you don't want to bid but just want to donate to the NBCF, here is a link to do so. https://fundraise.nbcf.org/fundraise?fcid=352570 Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com/> ispradio.com<http://www.ispradio.com/> ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Check out our TV add
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56
Sure. 28GHz/38GHz are both available for PtMP use. Both those are area licenses. Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Jack Lehmann > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:57 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56 > > PtMP is becoming available in 28GHz now. Testing is currently being done > with a 2 or 3 manufacturers. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of wireless-requ...@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:54 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56 > > Send Wireless mailing list submissions to > wireless@wispa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wireless-requ...@wispa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wireless-ow...@wispa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: > Contents of Wireless digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: question for the group (Josh Luthman) >2. Re: question for the group (Chris Stradtman) >3. Re: 38GHz Spectrum Usage (Daniel White) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:12:40 -0400 > From: Josh Luthman > Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group > To: WISPA General List > Message-ID: >acs42oinfxg+omayd4+8o+i0w0oflh6khsln3xrz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not > allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman < > cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 > > ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140630/e6953cde/a > tta > chment-0001.html > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:27:50 -0400 > From: Chris Stradtman > Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group > To: WISPA General List > Message-ID: >il.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I hadn't heard that, but that might explain why I can't find any then :-) > > Thx > > Chris > > sent from my moto-X > On Jun 30, 2014 12:13 PM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote: > > > I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are > > not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman < > > cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the > >> 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
Not that I am aware of. There are a lot of challenges besides range. Sector antennas become very narrow for instance. A 2ft parabola at this frequency band has a 0.6 degree main lobe. And as Josh said, 80GHz is licensed under Part 101 regulations in the US for PtP applications only, so you wouldn’t be able to deploy even if you found the gear. But there are some countries where the bands are legal (just 70GHz, or say 70/80 in Mexico) for PtMP use. 60GHz is much more likely long term. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Stradtman Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] question for the group Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Fred, FiberTower was given the majority of the spectrum licenses back FYI [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage On 6/30/2014 10:24 AM, Jack Lehmann wrote: Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Can you get permission to use 38 GHz? It is one of those strange bits of spectrum that was a auctioned off in geographic chunks, so given blocks of spectrum had exclusive owners in a given area, like cellular. I guess the idea was that they could then build ptp networks without worrying about coordination. But it never caught on. FiberTower had accumulated a lot of 38 GHz licenses and was trying to lease them out, and had a deal with Dragonwave. But they went bankrupt and the licenses were revoked in 2012. Some other license holders might however be looking to find renters. But since there's no rent on 23 GHz, and it's usually easy enough to license it, why bother? 38G is right between 23 and 60, with less rain fade than 60 and none of that oxygen attenuation (why 80 is usually better), but enough rain fade to limit it to about 2 miles reliably useful range in temperate zones (where are you?). -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Your most difficult part might be finding vendors that actually (not just say) manufacturer equipment for the band and then of course stock it. SAF for the record does both - and we work with both of the major spectrum holders in the US (FiberTower and Straight Path). In fact, we have a strategic partnership with Straight Path where you can purchase our equipment and a 5 year license together: https://www.saftehnika.com/en/news/2014#news-344 Performance wise it will be a little bit less than 23GHz. So it will still be a short range frequency but frequency coordination can happen as quick as 24 hours so time to deploy is awesome. Back in my ISP days 38GHz was a key part of our network. Of course those were different times (spectrum congestion wasn't the issue, but we got a lot of 38GHz gear on the cheap (thanks WinStar!) and the license costs were still very low. 38/39GHz (depending on who you talk to) is a very popular frequency band for SAF in Germany specifically, but we also sell a considerable amount of it in the US and Canada. We maintain the band as an in stock product here. Integra (our latest product) will be shipping in 38GHz in the next few weeks. If you have more questions... I'm happy to discuss! [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Lehmann Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:25 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Thanks - Jack ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Serious rain out here
Check this out: https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84/status/469212469563383809 Just found out another tornado touched down closer to a ¼ mile away from us. No major damage reports I have heard of yet. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/tornado-touches-down-in-denver-at-tower-smith-roads-sirens-heard-around-metro-area05212014 Had some flooding in the warehouse – thank god everything is on shelves and pallets :-) [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video – http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video – http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] <https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] <https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika> [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc> [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] <http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika> SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Serious rain out here Within minutes my front and back yard are flooded. I had a 5 GHz 5 mile link lose 5 db (typing that made me realize how cool it was). Those of you to the east/south watch out. Just a bit of lightning, nothing heavy duty. Hoping for the best for everyone! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Expedited PCN is 15 day response time. So long as you are licensing your gear in a Conditional Authorization band… 3 weeks is more than possible from when you first submit paperwork to your frequency coordinator. Some coordinators charge more for Expedited PCN response though FYI. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Sales Manager West & Southeast USA SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakeland Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:22 PM To: sc...@flhsi.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Scott It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks. Where is this info coming from? Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Scott Carullo Date:01/13/2014 1:38 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List ,WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Yep, we use ligowave gear. I can usually count on it providing 50-100mb with 20mb channel if not a lot of interference. for 200fdx you have one real option. buy yourself a SAF licensed link 11Ghz 2ft dishes high powered. You can get a license as quick as you can buy and setup the gear. If you think otherwise you should call me I can help you with getting the gear and the license. Only way to fly and for less than 10K you have all of it bought, delivered, licensed and installed in about 2-3 weeks. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 [http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg] From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ? http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> From: "Ian Framson" mailto:i...@tradeshowinternet.com>> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder [Trade Show Internet logo]<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com> www.tradeshowinternet.com<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F> i...@tradeshowinternet.com<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com> (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [LinkedIn] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson> [Facebook] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet> [Google Plus Page] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934> [Twitter] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet> ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Ian, I assume for BridgeWave you meant their AR60 (or AR60X). The 60GHz frequency band is not really designed to work past 1/3 of a mile. But for your close in shots they are great radios for delivering GigE Full Duplex (and it is an unlicensed band). Assuming your links are temporary... then 5GHz radios are your best bet. Guaranteeing 200Mbps Full Duplex will be hard to do though without knowing the noise floor in your area you will deploy (and of course... since the band is unlicensed, someone can fire up a transmitter the next day that may knock you off the air). 24GHz... even in the best of cases... is not a good solution at that distance. 24GHz should be a 3 mile and under band... 5 miles best case. If they are permanent... 11GHz licensed radios would be the best way to guarantee 200Mbps Full Duplex service. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Sales Manager West & Southeast USA SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ian Framson Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder [Trade Show Internet logo]<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com> www.tradeshowinternet.com<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F> i...@tradeshowinternet.com<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com> (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [LinkedIn] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson> [Facebook] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet> [Google Plus Page] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934> [Twitter] <http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet> <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Help with old SAF installation
Olufemi, I'm not sure many people on this list will be able to assist you with CFM... that product was never sold in North America. I can't help you either... I've personally never worked on them. Installation manuals: https://www.saftehnika.com/upload/File/Siebel/ODU_IM_EN.pdf https://www.saftehnika.com/upload/File/Siebel/Splitter_IM_EN.pdf https://www.saftehnika.com/upload/File/Siebel/CFM-FODU_TD_EN_V%201%207.pdf I'd strongly recommend creating an account on our website, that way you can access more information (all of the current CFM documentation is still on our website, but you must login first to see it). If you still have questions or need support I recommend reaching out to our tech support team techsupp...@saftehnika.com<mailto:techsupp...@saftehnika.com> We are still building and repairing CFM radios if it does come to that. Good luck! [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Sales Manager West & Southeast USA Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Olufemi Adalemo Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:41 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Help with old SAF installation I have a relatively old SAF CFM FR34 FODU installation at a client site that has somehow become my problem and can't seem to find a proper user manual online, can anyone help, also likely that the radio doesn't have the default IP or password, is there a way to reset these radios without losing the frequency setting? It seems that the management port on the POE/ODU doesn't work on these units and you have to manage them via the data interface, is this correct? Thanks for your help, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com<mailto:f...@adalemo.com> <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] visio stencils
SAF one can be downloaded here: https://saftehnika.com/upload/File/Siebel/SAF%20Stencil%20Set1.rar Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:18 PM To: a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] visio stencils Does anyone have some good visio stencils for cambium, dragonwave, SAF and UBNT? Thanks, sean ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Acros the border services
It can be done. If you want to do licensed I think it has to be 23GHz if I recall. Most companies in Mexico can't hold licenses. the licensed spectrum is reserved for the telco's. Probably best to contact a frequency coordinator that can guide you through the process. Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Acros the border services Hi everybody, I was asked by a bandwidth partner to see if anyone had any experience providing microwave shots that crossed from the US to Mexico, specifically, from Texas to Mexico. Since we live nowhere near, this isn't an issue that I have ever addressed or researched. I am sure there are a whole host of potential issues. Likely there are import / export regulations concerning the hardware, frequency use, licensing issues, etc etc. If this is even possible and legal, they may be looking for someone's help to build a microwave path that originates in the US with the other side being in Mexico. Is there anybody on the list providing services to both sides of the boarder or anybody with any experience that can say that it isn't possible? Thanks for your input. Kevin Owen First Step Internet, LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
SAF sells all of our platforms (including Freemile) in the 17GHz band for Europe. Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:24 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz Trango is direct. You'll need to call them if you want an answer. SAF more than likely can do it, but I'm only 95% sure. You'll need to contact them if it's not a commonly used band in Europe. SAF is in Latvia, which would presumably make it easier on you if you're in Europe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
Three separate ducts. Blue, red, and green :-) I was tempted to see how many strands. but when they were pulling the fiber I never saw it unattended. Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Sean Heskett [mailto:af...@zirkel.us] Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:34 PM To: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. Oh wow, that's really awesome to know they were pulling fiber along the most fiber laden portion of the state...sheeze what a govt boondoggle! Glad they hadn't extended their tenticales to our part of the state that could really use some new fiber paths. Good riddance! On Thursday, December 6, 2012, Daniel White wrote: And they just got done pulling the fiber they were trenching along I-25 here in the Frederick/Firestone area. Major blow to G4S I'm sure. Wonder what happens to that fiber now... Daniel White - Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] > On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. > > SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > > Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in rural > Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > > Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > > BEST NEWS EVER!!! > > > -- > Ryan Ghering > Network Operations - Plains.Net > Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
And they just got done pulling the fiber they were trenching along I-25 here in the Frederick/Firestone area. Major blow to G4S I'm sure. Wonder what happens to that fiber now... Daniel White Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. > > SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > > Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in rural > Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > > Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > > BEST NEWS EVER!!! > > > -- > Ryan Ghering > Network Operations - Plains.Net > Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?
Motorola also has AirDefense as part of their portfolio. Only difference is that it can be installed without their WLAN solution (instead using "sensors"). http://www.airdefense.net/products/servicesplatform/securitycompliance/secur ity.php#eliminate Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 7:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this? Cisco has this functionality. I would think if it were illegal, they would be slapped pretty hard. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/ncs/1.0/configuration/guide/sol.htm l#wp1040128 Tagging and Containing Rogue Access Points When the Cisco Unified Wireless Network Solution is monitored using NCS, NCS generates the flags as rogue access point traps and displays the known rogue access points by MAC address. The operator can then display a map showing the location of the access points closest to each rogue access point. The next step is to mark them as Known or Acknowledged rogue access points (no further action), Alert rogue access points (watch for and notify when active), or Contained rogue access points (have between one and four access points discourage rogue access point clients by sending the clients deauthenticate and disassociate messages whenever they associate with the rogue access point). Regards, Chuck On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Jon Auer wrote: As part of the WiFi standard a AP can tell a client to stop talking to it. Rogue AP containment systems impersonate the targeted AP and send these messages to observed clients. This kind of functionality is important in cases where you need to prevent employees from accidentally creating security breaches. Ie by plugging their cradlepoint into the network or not disabling the wifi in a time machine NAS. On Sep 23, 2012 10:29 PM, "Doug Clark" wrote: If not with RF, how do you suppose that an AP would interfere with another AP? That is what the poster is asking about. I am curious on how you would crack a WEP key without using RF signal. What you are talking about is criminal and your right breaking into secure APs are not under the rules of Part-15. ---Original Message--- From: Jeromie Reeves <mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net> Date: 9/23/2012 5:53:20 PM To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this? IANAL but, I am fairly sure P15 only applies to RF, not to the OSI layers. If the FCC does have control of the OSI layers from a P15 device then people doing WEP cracking and such are in violation of P15 and that really is a stretch. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Doug Clark wrote: If there is an AP that does that and it is operating in Part15, it would be directly in violation of the very rules that gave the device its right to exist! The major substance of Part-15 reads: This device complies with Part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation. If the poster has actually seen an AP that does what he says it does then it would be in violation of Part 15 itself and thus an entity could lodge a formal complaint against the person or entity that was operating said AP and possibly end up with a $25,000.00 ticket. YMMV ---Original Message--- From: Greg Ihnen <mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com> Date: 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subject: [WISPA] Can they really do this? There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like conventions. This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations? The quote: > One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all > Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for their > wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you, > because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks have > stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they see > and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them side > by side. Greg _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___
Re: [WISPA] 24 volt switch
Most Cisco switches come with a DC option. Almost any industrial switch brand (Moxa and EtherWAN for instance) will have 24VDC switches. Daniel White - Sales Manager Western USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24 volt switch I need a 24 volt DC 8 port switch. I want to power it directly off the batteries. No transformer. Any suggestions? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] CTIA Wireless 2012?
Anyone attending CTIA in New Orleans in a few weeks? SAF is hosting a customer appreciation event on May 9th - please feel free to contact me offlist for details: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com I hope to see many of you there. Thank you! Daniel White (303) 746-3590 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Licensed 1ft dish?
The new SAF radio was the Freemile 24GHz - 100Mb FDX at a great price. SAF also has a 24GHz UL version of the Lumina, which with a 56MHz Channel and 256QAM can push 366Mbps FDX. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 1ft dish? I keep mixing those two. Trango and SAF announced new stuff in Vegas for the unlicensed 24ghz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 21, 2012 9:59 PM, "Fred Goldstein" wrote: At 3/21/2012 09:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 11ghz can do 2 foot from what I hear. Yes, in some locations at least, but he asked about 1 foot dishes. But isn't an unlicensed 23 a good choice? 23 Ghz is licensed; 24 GHz is unlicensed. Often the same basic radio is sold for both purposes, just different frequencies and approvals. On Mar 21, 2012 9:40 PM, "Fred Goldstein" wrote: At 3/21/2012 03:56 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Are both 18Ghz and 11Ghz limited to minimum 2ft dish size? Just wondering if 1ft was allowed? I know, some might ask "why"? Because its for a really short link (200 ft) that has to be 350mb+ FDX, but dont want to use 60G millimeterwave, because the viable mounting options are not stable enough to prevent sway and safely reliably support that tight of a narrow beamwidth. I'm pretty sure, I'll end up doing this in 23G, which allows 1ft dish, (similar beamwidth to 11G with 2ft). But just wanted to double check rules for 18 and 11. I don't think you can do it. 47CFR 101.115 says that both the 11 and 18 GHz bands need 38 dB antenna gain, same as 6 GHz. Since that's a 6 foot dish at 6 GHz, it would be 2 feet at 18 GHz. The 11 GHz band allows 33.5 dB gain in some uncongested areas, but that still won't get you down to a foot. 23 GHz only requires 33.5 dB. Alex has a good idea to look at 24 GHz unlicensed, if you can find a fast enough radio. Ohterwise, if you can't deal with higher frequencies or free space optics, stick with your instinct and go with 23 GHz. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.
Snaplink makes an upconverted Atheros based radio in the 24GHz band that is TDD. before buying one I'd find another WISP user that has deployed one and ask them how well it performs :-) >From a price perspective I think they are pretty close to a SAF Freemile link anyways. http://www.snaplinkradio.com <http://www.snaplinkradio.com/> Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions. I assume its probably because wifi chips wont meet the spectrum masks required. Also 24ghz requires a transmit channel and a receive channel be many hundred mhz apart. On 03/16/2012 10:35 AM, Kyle Duren wrote: Along those same lines, what is keeping them from making 24ghz unlicensed p2p radios? -Kyle Duren On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality of equipment reasons? Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day, Forbes ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.
Five 9's with 23GHz at 256QAM is easy for most of these links. the 6 mile link is either 18GHz or 23GHz depending on preferences Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions. Licensed and a ptp600? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 12:36 PM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: Ohh and 5 9's is required.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180 at the top of the tower. Coords? well thats not necessary and I can't give out, due to a NDA Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with room to spare. Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep pockets.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Vertical heights. Coordinates. Wind load restriction. Rough budget. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: Like what? :) Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Need to share a lot more information for that quote. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops. Hop 1: 2 miles Hop 2: 2.8 miles Hop 3: 5.6 miles Hop 4: 2.6 miles Hop 5: 2.6 miles Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8 Please call my Cell listed below. -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.
I appreciate the shout out either way! Should anyone else be interested, below is my SAF contact info. Daniel White Sales Manager Western US SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions. Daniel White is with SAF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > Email Daniel White w Baltic. > > On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: >> >> They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list.. >> That's why I Asked folks to contact me.. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> >>> No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without >>> coordinates. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: >>>> >>>> As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up >>>> to 180 at the top of the tower. >>>> >>>> Coords? well thats not necessary and I can't give out, due to a >>>> NDA >>>> >>>> Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish >>>> with room to spare. >>>> >>>> Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has >>>> pretty deep pockets.. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Vertical heights. Coordinates. Wind load restriction. Rough budget. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Like what? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Need to share a lot more information for that quote. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Ryan Ghering" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of >>>>>>>> their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles >>>>>>>> solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hop 1: 2 miles >>>>>>>> Hop 2: 2.8 miles >>>>>>>> Hop 3: 5.6 miles >>>>>>>> Hop 4: 2.6 miles >>>>>>>> Hop 5: 2.6 miles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please call my Cell listed below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ryan Ghering >>>>>>>> Network Operations - Plains.Net >>>>>>>> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> Wireless mailing list >>>>>>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Wireless mailing list >>>>>>> Wireless@wispa.org >
Re: [WISPA] Excede (viasat-1) Satalitte Internet
It still has exceedingly bad latency just like any other satellite service, but the capacity figures are true (at least until those spot beams become more saturated) Also watch out for the bandwidth caps, and contract terms. I'm not sure I would use Skype or Vonage on a service like that. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Excede (viasat-1) Satalitte Internet Anyone run into Excede (viasat-1) Satalitte Internet? They claim download speeds of 12 Megs and can use Skype and Vonage for $60.00 per month and a $149.95 setup fee. Any Comments? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jay DeBoer Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:38 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Upcoming Marathon Race
How far away from the AP are you? Did you turn down the TX power on the AP so that the RX from the laptop would be at a reasonable level for the AP to be able to establish a connection? Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: supp...@webjogger.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Upcoming Marathon Race You sure you are using the right encryption for your laptops? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 23, 2012 4:37 PM, "Eric Roth" wrote: Also check to make sure that frame Aggregation is off. --Eric Roth Network Engineer Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 www.webjogger.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Upcoming Marathon Race Airmax off? 20Mhz Channel? Can you if you turn off WPA? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Carl Shivers Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Upcoming Marathon Race We have an Marathon next week and the organizers have asked if we can supply connectivity. I had a spare UB Rocket M2 with a 90 degree sector antenna waiting for another job, so I decided to use this. Here is basics on our config. Access Point Bridge Mode SSID LittleRockMarathon WPA-PKIP Static Management IP This will sit behind a router, which has a static WAN and will dish out IPs via DHCP on the LAN side. That's about it, but we can't connect our laptops to the ssid. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC
Alliance also has a warehouse out there... Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC Anixter is right in NJ or Avon Datacom on Long Island On 2/20/2012 6:07 PM, Isaac Wilder wrote: > Does anybody know a vendor in the new york area where I can buy spools > of weatherized, EMF shielded cat5e? I'm looking for something akin to > Level 2 toughcable. I would normally order from lcom or pasadena > networks, but time is of the essence, and I didn't think ahead. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > thanks, > Isaac Wilder > The Free Network Foundation > www.thefnf.org > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers
Maybe your replacement hardware is bad too. Have you tried another set? Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers One end is just us and the 4 other links there are fine. The other is is us and at least 2 other WISPS, an FM repeater station, some public service repeaters, some commercial 2-way repeaters and ... Just looking at the tower, I don't think there is anything new, but I will ask the tower owner tomorrow. We changed everything at one end and all but the cable at the other. Other 5GHz links we have for either tower do not show symptoms of interference, but that does not mean that isn't our problem. On 1/28/2012 8:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of the 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in via the power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower? > > Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try both ends? > > Have you done any spectral analysis? > > Greg > On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > >> I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has me >> stumped. >> RB433AH with XR5 at each end. >> Signals running around -69/-71. CCQ is the goofy one. Most of the >> time one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit. The >> other direction ranges from 16% to 100%. Generally if I see it >> getting close to 100% I know the link is going to drop. It comes >> right back up, usually at about 50%. >> I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with about >> the same results from all. >> I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies. The higher >> frequencies work better, but still not well. >> All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced. >> Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me >> totally stumped. >> >> -- >> Scott Reed >> Owner >> NewWays Networking, LLC >> Wireless Networking >> Network Design, Installation and Administration >> >> >> >> Mikrotik Advanced Certified >> >> www.nwwnet.net >> (765) 855-1060 >> (765) 439-4253 >> (855) 231-6239 >> >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4772 - Release Date: > 01/28/12 > > -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 23GHz license fees
$1020 - or $510 a site. Government entities are free. There are also frequency coordination fees, but those are not paid to the FCC Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 23GHz license fees Hi all, I am under the impression that the FCC charges $1040 for a 10-yr 23GHz license. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Oppurtunities for an Experienced Wireless Engineer?
People actually read these things :-) Thanks for the catch and the words of support - must have been changed when I had a few of my non-industry friends read it Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 10:07 AM To: us...@wug.cc Cc: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Oppurtunities for an Experienced Wireless Engineer? I don't think it will take you long, good at sales, support and RF is an invaluable trait to have. Also, you spelled Ubiquiti with a y, which is wrong... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > I'm sorry to hear that Daniel. I have always enjoyed your posts and > hope you find work in our arena. You have a vast knowledge of the > industry. > > Regards, > Chuck > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Daniel White wrote: >> As many of you know, I was recently let go in a companywide layoff >> from BridgeWave Communications as the organization made some changes >> to its worldwide sales team. I have enjoyed working with the WISP >> industry since I started as an installer so many years ago. I hope >> my next position may allow me to work closer to many of you. >> >> >> >> In the meantime, if anyone is looking for an highly experienced RF >> engineer to assist with your network be it network planning, >> troubleshooting, or deployment, please give me a call or send me an >> e-mail. I have also attached me resume for any of those >> manufacturers lurking these lists that could utilize my sales and sales engineering expertise. >> >> >> >> Have a Happy Holidays everyone and a great 2012! >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> (303) 746-3590 >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc >> >> > --- > Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank
I'd install a small cabinet and use these http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=38 I would probably use the DIN rail mounts personally http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39 Transtector makes one for Canopy only (at least that is what I remember), but is a major PITA to install. Daniel White -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank We are adding a fairly large new tower to our network and it will be a central hub. I want to bring a number of STP cat-5 lines up the tower in advance. Will likely be mix of Canopy and Ubiquiti gear on top. At the base I would like terminate them all at a large surge arrestor bank before entering the cabinet or building. We will initially have a cabinet and perhaps later a building. Does anyone know of an outdoor surge arrestor I can put at the base of the tower that accommodates a number of cat-5 runs neatly? Something like the standard outdoor canopy surge arrestor except would protect 8+ cat-5 lines in a larger outdoor enclosure. This would also serve as a termination point if we move from the cabinet to a building in the future. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
Charles, I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular networks (especially in metropolitan areas) WERE built for coverage. With 4G services, they are built for capacity. I doubt the coverage metric will change in rural areas though. There is also a major question on backhaul. Microwave backhaul may be equal for 2G/3G networks, but as 4G proliferates it will have a higher dependency on Fiber or 60GHz/80GHz short range high capacity backhaul. Most rural sites will only support 11GHz/6GHz for backhaul and therefore lower "found" capacity they could deliver via fixed wireless. On the other hand, WISP's can be nimble to all of these demands, at a much lower equipment cost. FTTH of course is a different metric altogether. Verizon wireline loves to plow fiber now. Anyways, my 2 cents. I could certainly be wrong :-) Daniel White -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie I have a dissenting opinion... >It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost >effectively provide broadband. A cellular network is built for coverage Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will tend to put the same equipment everywhere What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is "found money" -- self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie At the end of the day when a WISP puts up a 'cell' site it is probably costing them 1/100th of what it costs the cellco to do so. The equipment used is most likely 1/100th the cost at the 'AP' and 1/10th at the CPE and the spectrum that the cellco uses is not free. Even when you take into account that the cellco operates on a much longer ROI and they can get some economy of scale on certain things I don't see how they can overcome the price difference to be able to effectively compete against a WISP, especially given their lack of spectrum. Sure you get a much better noise floor, but they have fewer channels to deal with. And from a cost perspective it is a lot harder to justify putting up micropops as a cellco. I know plenty of WISPs that can afford to put a micro-pop up for 3 customers. I do see how a cellco could afford to do that for eveny 20 times that number. Deep pockets only last so long when you are losing money. On 10/26/11 11:07 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/26/2011 11:42 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >> The "LIVE" network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with<70ms latency. > The VZW network isn't such bad competition for a WISP for two reasons. > > One -- those numbers you see are on the brand-new, unloaded network. > The've just started selling LTE gear this year, so the cells are > nowhere near full capacity. As they get busier, average capacity per > subscriber will go down, especially during busy hours. At some point > they will add cells, but I'm suspecting it's at a much lower > performance point than you're seeing now. > > Two -- their per-cell costs are much higher, and thus they have to > charge more for bulk usage. They have caps on their plans, and > additional usage is very costly. So while LTE is okay for the > vacation traveler looking to check email and read a few favorite web > sites, or the light home user, it's not going to appeal to even > moderate users. Even Sprint is starting to cap its plans, after > running a huge "unlimited" (uh, for the rest of the month?) > advertising campaign. > > >-- >Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >+1 617 795 2701 > > > > -
Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
Where will the link be located? 80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the world. In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio, so that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision. Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can. Very susceptible to changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern. If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist. Daniel White Director of Field Engineering BridgeWave Communications daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless) 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website. -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless) > Call Bridgewave. Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz. > > Why can't you do licensed? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is >> one option. >> but the distance is 2.6 KM. >> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution. >> its from fsona. >> >> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m >> >> Have any body used the above or any similar products ? >> Any suggestions. >> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves. >> Appreciate your comments and suggestions. >> >> >> Regards >> Aali >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
The limit is based on O2 absorption. It is hard limit, not hardware or software based but atmospheric attenuation based. 2.5km is usually a slam dunk for 80GHz. Daniel White -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless) At 10/26/2011 12:02 PM, Aali wrote: >60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website. It's not clear if that limit is hard (timing-based) or soft (loss-based). If you're in a relatively dry area, and it's a soft limit, you might get a bit of extra range. But I suspect that only would apply in FE mode, not GE mode, which needs more power. I'd also check Dragonwave, whose brochures are behind a registration/mail wall. But reliable GE for that distance on microwave is a stretch. The fSONA product is free space optical, not microwave. It might do the job but FSO requires a genuine, true, real line-of-sight path. >-- >From: "Josh Luthman" >Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM >To: "WISPA General List" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless) > > > Call Bridgewave. Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz. > > > > Why can't you do licensed? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one > >> option. > >> but the distance is 2.6 KM. > >> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution. > >> its from fsona. > >> > >> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m > >> > >> Have any body used the above or any similar products ? > >> Any suggestions. > >> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves. > >> Appreciate your comments and suggestions. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Aali > >> -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
