[WISPA] Lightning Protection

2007-05-29 Thread Jim Stout
Spring arrived in Kansas City and so did the thunder storms.  I took a 
lightning stike on my tower and lost both APs, the POEs, two switches and a 
Mikrotik router.  The Antennas survived but it looks like I lost a little gain. 
 My question is how do I protect against this happening again?  Are lightning 
rods effective?  Any thoughts will be appreciated.  I don't want to have to 
replace everything again.

TIA, Jim

Jim Stout
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Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring and Graphing

2007-04-26 Thread Jim Stout
I run PRTG Traffic Grapher from Paessler (www.paessler.com) and Servers 
Alive (www.woodstone.nu/salive/) for notification.  They both do 
notification but I started with Servers Alive because it's freeware and it 
works.


Jim Stout
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- Original Message - 
From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Network Monitoring and Graphing


I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and 
graphing.  I have used  MRTG for graphing before.  I have looked at 
WhatsUp, JFFNMS and Niagos before.  I want to be able to graph traffic on 
network ports of my routers (Cisco and Mikrotik) and wireless equipment.  I 
also would like it to notify me if a device is down either by email or 
preferably SMS. Monitoring mail and web servers would be an added plus.   I 
am curious what others use for this type of application, what they 
like.dislike about it and if they would recommend it to someone else.


Thank you,

Jory Privett
WCCS

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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-14 Thread Jim Stout

Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth?
Jim Stout
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- Original Message - 
From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I 
like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it 
can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just 
keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now 
 looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't 
 associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum

 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 
 9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ
 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off 
 and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I 
 know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just 
 stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until 
 the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe 
 is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. 
 No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different 
 antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape 
 data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR.
 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-13 Thread Jim Stout

Thanks to all for the feedback!

I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking 
over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so 
I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the maximum 
transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it 
associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping 
the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I also reduced 
the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer hasn't used it 
much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night.


Marlon,

The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ 
family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this install, 
they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the multipath 
phenomenon?


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

Your signal level is actually much too high.

Try two things to test my theory.

Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and 
get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more reasonable.


Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe 
hpol.


Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know 
of)


How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB 
ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just stop 
talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the 
*ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe is 
being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe.  No 
cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different 
networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, 
different cpe etc.


The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape data 
cpe radios.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my 
tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal 
strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the 
radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio 
intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply 
fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. 
I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of 
firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their 
recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this 
client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the 
LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost like 
an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.


Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager
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[WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-11 Thread Jim Stout
I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my tower.  
The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal strength.  I've 
run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the radio's off..  All sounds 
great!  A real simple install, but the radio intermittently locks up, fails to 
associate and most recently, simply fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds 
at a time following a POR.  I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the 
latest version of firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed 
their recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this 
client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the LOS 
path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost like an 
invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

Thanks, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback

2007-03-22 Thread Jim Stout

Marty,

  Pardon the naivity, but what prevents the SR9s from being legal?  I am 
looking at deploying these in RB 133C's.


Jim


Jim Stout
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Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
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- Original Message - 
From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback



Probably not legal- so not really very cost effective :)

Marty

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:22 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback

Is anyone using the MTIKs w/ the 900MHz cards?

We use Mikrotiks for routing frequently; however, we have never used them 
as
an actual access point.  How do these work as 900MHz APs/SUs and is it 
more

cost effective than a canned solution such as Trango or Tranzeo 900 gear?

Thanks.







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[WISPA] Spring has sprung!

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Stout
..and the leaves have started to absorb my 2.4 GHz signal!

Good morning everyone!

With the sap rising in the trees, I've started losing a lot of signal with some 
of my customers on the other side of the tree line.  I thought this might 
happen but was hopeful it wouldn't.  Wi this said, I am committed to adding 900 
MHz gear to my portfolio,. but have some questions for the group.

I'll be using the same tower for both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz.  I'm assuming 
antennae separation is important but how much and should they be spaced 
vertically or is horizontal spacing OK?

I'm planning to use an RB112 with an SR9 for the NLOS clients and adding a 
second RB112 with an Xtreme Range 2 for my 2.4 customers.  I would like to run 
these in bridge mode instead of having them do any routing.  Any thoughts or 
gotchas here?

I'm assuming that my EIRP for both implementations is 36 dbw.  Is this the case?

I'm running my 2.4 gear in HPOL but am considering running the 900 gear in 
VPOL.  Any thoughts here?

And lastly, I have read that a cavity filter is strongly recommended for the 
900 MHz gear.  Any thoughts and/or suggestions here.

As always, thanks in advance for the help.

Regards, Jim in Kansas City


Jim Stout
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[WISPA] Tranzeo WDS?

2007-03-16 Thread Jim Stout
Does anyone have any experience using Tranzeo's WDS to extend the reach of an 
AP?  I'm using a TR6000 in bridge mode and would like extend my reach to 
another neighborhood!  

Still have space on the T1 and the customers keep coming!  Thanks to everyone 
for your help!

Jim

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Re: [WISPA] IMPORTANT

2007-02-13 Thread Jim Stout

John,

  I'm sorry but I just read this email thread.  If it's not too late, 
please include me in the 445 filing.


Thanks, Jim in KC

Jim Stout
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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: [WISPA] IMPORTANT


If you are a paid member of WISPA and your company is not listed below or 
needs edited please let me know immediately. This is the final edited list 
of those which will be included in the 445 filing unless I hear something 
right away from others. My cell number is 618-237-2387 if you email me and 
do not get a response right away today. I am sorry this is going out on 
the public list but I need to make sure newer people who may not be on the 
member's only list yet see this to make sure they are all included..


Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.
Odessa Office Equipment
Maximum Access, L.L.C.
Yellowstone Media Design
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
Wisper ISP, Inc.
CV-Access, Inc.
Pure Internet
Vogel Enterprises
Washington Broadband, Inc.
Primaverity LLC
Technology Services Inc.
Zing LLC
RTPS Networks, Inc.
Intelliwave, LLC
Computer Sales  Services, Inc.
NetsurfUSA, Inc.
Hofnet Communications, Inc.
COLI Inc.
APGWireless, LLC
Kaballero.Com
BelWave Communications, Inc.
Coffey Computers, LLC
Rabbit Meadows Technology, LLC
InvisiMax Inc.
UnwiredOnline.Net, LLC
Inventive Wireless of Nebraska, LLC
WaveCrazy Communications
Willow Creek Computer Systems, LLC.
RTWB, LLC
Xpressweb Internet Services
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Kinex Networking Solutions, Inc
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[WISPA] Mixing 2.4GHz and 900MHz Gear

2007-02-11 Thread Jim Stout
Folks,

   I am getting interest from potential-customers that do not have direct LOS 
to my antennae.  I'm thinking about adding 900MHz capability to my tower but 
wanted to see what kind of gotchas I should look be aware of.  

   I'm currently running a 2.4GHz Omni with Horizontal polarity.  I'm thinking 
I can just stick a 900MHz Omni up there with it since they shouldn't conflict 
with one another.  As far as the networking piece goes, I would think it would 
be wise to run the two on separate subnets but not mandatory since they won't 
see each other's traffic.

   One last question.  How effective is 900MHz at punching through trees?  The 
distance won't be more than a mile or so, but there is some foliage involved.

   As always, thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Jim in KC.


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Re: [WISPA] Mixing 2.4GHz and 900MHz Gear

2007-02-11 Thread Jim Stout
What's he using for radios?  Ubiquiti SR9s and SR2s?  Where does the 
bandpass filter go?  I'm currently using Mikrotik's Router OS for bandwidth 
provisioning and have been very happy with the product.  I'll be feeding 
Tranzeo CPEs with this AP.


Thanks for the help!


Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mixing 2.4GHz and 900MHz Gear


The WISP next door to me is running 900MHz and 2.4GHz from the same RB532 
at a couple of sites.  He is doing well with both.  The only thing he has 
found is a bandpass filter is critical.


He makes 2 miles through 50% woods, I think.

Jim Stout wrote:

Folks,

   I am getting interest from potential-customers that do not have direct 
LOS to my antennae.  I'm thinking about adding 900MHz capability to my 
tower but wanted to see what kind of gotchas I should look be aware of.
   I'm currently running a 2.4GHz Omni with Horizontal polarity.  I'm 
thinking I can just stick a 900MHz Omni up there with it since they 
shouldn't conflict with one another.  As far as the networking piece 
goes, I would think it would be wise to run the two on separate subnets 
but not mandatory since they won't see each other's traffic.


   One last question.  How effective is 900MHz at punching through trees? 
The distance won't be more than a mile or so, but there is some foliage 
involved.


   As always, thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Jim in KC.


Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
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Re: [WISPA] billing program

2007-01-31 Thread Jim Stout
I tend to agree with Dylan.  I struggled for over two weeks trying to get a 
similar-sounding billing system up and running.  It was very fragile and if 
you sneezed close to the server, it required a call to their Technical 
Support to get it back up.  I sent it back and have yet to receive my 
refund.  BTW, I'm now running  MikroTik Router OS on a Wintel platform and 
it does exactly what I need.  It provisions bandwidth and it runs.


FWIW, Jim

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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] billing program


Well, he didn't say it was a secret but he didn't tell me to tell the 
world.  He asked me to send a list of suggestions of anything I wanted in 
the program and said he had another guy who just sent a half dozen 
suggestions in and they were all added into the latest rev.  I don't think 
it's my place to release the product.  I just want suggestions on what 
the perfect wisp program would include so we can get it.


Brian

Dylan Oliver wrote:

On 1/30/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Remember nothing is set in stone, but it sounded like the software would
be almost free to use if your gear was from this manufacturer, and every
time you bought a cpe
you'd get a license.

I don't know much about radius but it is suppose to work nice with it.

Now is the time, throw out your crazy ideas everyone...



I'm guessing we'd be more interested if we knew who this vendor was?

Best,

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?

2007-01-28 Thread Jim Stout
Thanks to all who replied to my initial question.  It might help to 
understand what I'm doing now and want to do in the future.


My wife and I live in rural Cass County Missouri.  We're too far out for 
Cable or DSL and Satellite is out of the question due to the havoc that huge 
amounts of latency wreaks upon VPN clients  So in order to get a high-speed 
connection out in the country, we dragged a T1 line to the house, stood up a 
30' tower and began selling bandwidth to our neighbors.  I learned all I 
know about this stuff at last Fall's ISPCON in Santa Clara so I'm feeling 
a little bit wind-burned right now.  This is also where I met John Scrivner 
who convinced me that joining WISPA was a great way to gain access to this 
community and continue to have the support group that I need.  Well, a few 
months have flown by and once word leaks out that there is an affordable 
high-speed Internet connection available, they truly beat down your door 
wanting to know when they can be installed.  I'm having a great time, enjoy 
the people and am considering making this more than just a Hobby WISP.


We are about 30 or so miles from downtown Kansas City as the radio waves 
fly, and are relatively high up.  I spoke to my provider (ATT) about 
additional bandwidth and out here they can continue to bring me T1 lines 
across copper, but I have to believe there's a more cost-effective solution 
available.  This is why I posed the original question.


I feel that I could serve about 500 clients in this rural area and would 
like the option of scaling up to 45Mbps to support them.  Obviously 
bandwidth distrubution comes into play along with detailed planning and 
design, but at this point, I'm just looking for ideas to help me formulate 
my plans.


As always, thanks to all who have responded and continue to assist met!

Waremest regards, Jim

Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - 
From: John Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' 
wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?



We look at three primary things when addressing backhaul needs...
They are in order:
1. Path Analysis and Distance, Without LOS between the two desired sites
usually you can kiss the link goodbye. If there is LOS then how far we are
shooting helps determine antenna sizes.

2. Frequency Usage on site - Again helps determine the radio type.

3. Capacity - Helps determine radio type.

So.
Figure out where you are shooting from and to.
If that is OK then find out what frequencies are in use at those sites.
Then know how much Bandwidth you will need or want.

To address your specific questions.
I would check with your current provider and ask them upgrade questions.
They may be able to provide you with a fractional DS3 at really attractive
rates. If they can't provide that then ask them if they recommend a 
carrier
in your area. I would then need to look further at your network to 
determine

best backhaul to the different legs of the network.

Transport of choose is 5.8Ghz radios and then probably licensed.

Distances are form 0-40+ miles. The farther you shoot the better the
planning and budgeting needs to be. Typical links seem to be between 5-20
miles...

Bandwidth - Licensed can be out of this world fast but you are probably
looking at unlicensed, 18-54Mbs over the air which translates to about 
10-35
actual throughputs max. We would base that need on planned growth over a 
one

to two year period.

Cost = Cheap - very expensive. All based on need. How much do you want to
spend???

John Rock
ACC, Inc., Wireless Connections Division
ACCessing the Future Today!!
ph. 419.668.4080 x2234
fax 419-668-4077
Mon-Fri 8am-5pm
http://www.accnorwalk.com
http://www.windcastbroadband.com
http://www.wirelessconnections.net


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:09 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul - Where Do I Begin?

Folks,



  I'm looking out about 6 months and expect to run out of bandwidth with 
my

current T1 line.  That's the good news because it means that I have more
demand than supply.  My niche is that I serve the rural community and
getting bandwidth out here is a challenge.  I would like to begin planning
for an expanded service area but the first problem I need to solve is the
acquisition of more bandwidth.



  I think the most likely solution would be for a wireless backhaul but I
have no idea where to begin.  Since you all have helped so much in the 
past,
I figured this forum would at least set me on the correct path.  Questions 
I

have include:  Who are the cost-effective providers?  What's the transport
medium of choice?  What kinds of distances are available?  What is the 
unit