Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
I knew you would pipe in with your promo Charles... but the standard over the industry for at least the last two years has been to expect $3k a link... I'm not saying we charge that either... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of $3k to license depending on how you go about it. Best course of action is to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes. Wow...$3k? Assuming $1300 in FCC fees -- that's still $1,700 for licensing services (NOTE TO SELF: time to end that $595 Part 101 licensing promo) -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz license? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
38GHz is typically leased from a third party. 18GHz is leased directly from the FCC. Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz license? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of $3k to license depending on how you go about it. Best course of action is to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes. If your doing multiple links at the same time costs go down, as somethings (like the RF study) can be used over the multiple links. FCC Fees are $1290 per link... but that fee is waived for government, non-profit, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? 38GHz is typically leased from a third party. 18GHz is leased directly from the FCC. Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz license? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of $3k to license depending on how you go about it. Best course of action is to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes. Wow...$3k? Assuming $1300 in FCC fees -- that's still $1,700 for licensing services (NOTE TO SELF: time to end that $595 Part 101 licensing promo) -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
38GHz is typically leased from a third party. 18GHz is leased directly from the FCC. Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC. Adding onto Brad's point -- 38 GHz falls under owned spectrum (stuff that's been auctioned) Part 101, which is the FCC Rules pertaining to point-to-point microwave backhauls, covers primarily 6, 11, 18 23 GHz -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz license? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Hey Adam, I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't pan out??? I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no charge. According to Mario the deal breaker was I was not going to let him take the link, install it, and try it for a week or two and then let him make his decision. He says he was worried about interference. Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean channel in rural Kingston NY. $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until February 10th. Get me offlist lakel...@gbcx.net Bob Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued at $10k - $20k depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Bob, I have a customer in NY, (near United Nations area.), I'm trying to close deal on. Originally I was jsut planning on buying a 100mbCogent link from a near buildings, and Tlink45ing to it, Since prospect needs 30mbps. I saw you mentioned Manhatten. Do you accept TM wireless field service work? If so, what are your rates? I might as well ask... Do you wholesale Transit? PS. The last 300mbps Airpair 23Ghz w/2ft dishes, that I bought (this month), I paid $10,800 (with Hi-power) NEW. My Trango Apex w/ dish (same spec), I paid $8600 new (this month). $10,000 really isn't a steal anymore for used gear, if its a savy buyer. You were asking a fair price, but it was not a steal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hey Adam, I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't pan out??? I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no charge. According to Mario the deal breaker was I was not going to let him take the link, install it, and try it for a week or two and then let him make his decision. He says he was worried about interference. Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean channel in rural Kingston NY. $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until February 10th. Get me offlist lakel...@gbcx.net Bob Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Please please forgive that post. That was supposed to be a private offlist post between friends. (PS. extenuation circumstances and promos were involved, and likely would not reflect typical street price) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Tom, I will get you off list regarding the Manhattan work. As far as the 300 Mb link you got it should be a Horizon radio not an Airpair. I don't have the slightest idea how you ever got that price from someone but it was an exceptional deal. MSRP for a 200 Mb standard (not high power) with 2' antennas and install kits is $19,500. Consider another $1k for for the additional 100 mb of bandwidth and $1k for high power and you are looking at a $21,500 MSRP. Given your purchase price that equals a 50% or so discount on the product. This is not the Dragonwave normal discount. Bob Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob, I have a customer in NY, (near United Nations area.), I'm trying to close deal on. Originally I was jsut planning on buying a 100mbCogent link from a near buildings, and Tlink45ing to it, Since prospect needs 30mbps. I saw you mentioned Manhatten. Do you accept TM wireless field service work? If so, what are your rates? I might as well ask... Do you wholesale Transit? PS. The last 300mbps Airpair 23Ghz w/2ft dishes, that I bought (this month), I paid $10,800 (with Hi-power) NEW. My Trango Apex w/ dish (same spec), I paid $8600 new (this month). $10,000 really isn't a steal anymore for used gear, if its a savy buyer. You were asking a fair price, but it was not a steal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hey Adam, I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't pan out??? I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no charge. According to Mario the deal breaker was I was not going to let him take the link, install it, and try it for a week or two and then let him make his decision. He says he was worried about interference. Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean channel in rural Kingston NY. $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until February 10th. Get me offlist lakel...@gbcx.net Bob Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Bob, You are correct, the price I listed was not Airpair, and it didn't include all costs such as install kits. I mistakenly had AirPair in my mind, because I also had one in hand on loaner. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, I will get you off list regarding the Manhattan work. As far as the 300 Mb link you got it should be a Horizon radio not an Airpair. I don't have the slightest idea how you ever got that price from someone but it was an exceptional deal. MSRP for a 200 Mb standard (not high power) with 2' antennas and install kits is $19,500. Consider another $1k for for the additional 100 mb of bandwidth and $1k for high power and you are looking at a $21,500 MSRP. Given your purchase price that equals a 50% or so discount on the product. This is not the Dragonwave normal discount. Bob Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob, I have a customer in NY, (near United Nations area.), I'm trying to close deal on. Originally I was jsut planning on buying a 100mbCogent link from a near buildings, and Tlink45ing to it, Since prospect needs 30mbps. I saw you mentioned Manhatten. Do you accept TM wireless field service work? If so, what are your rates? I might as well ask... Do you wholesale Transit? PS. The last 300mbps Airpair 23Ghz w/2ft dishes, that I bought (this month), I paid $10,800 (with Hi-power) NEW. My Trango Apex w/ dish (same spec), I paid $8600 new (this month). $10,000 really isn't a steal anymore for used gear, if its a savy buyer. You were asking a fair price, but it was not a steal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hey Adam, I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't pan out??? I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no charge. According to Mario the deal breaker was I was not going to let him take the link, install it, and try it for a week or two and then let him make his decision. He says he was worried about interference. Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean channel in rural Kingston NY. $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until February 10th. Get me offlist lakel...@gbcx.net Bob Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without
