Tom, I will get you off list regarding the Manhattan work.
As far as the 300 Mb link you got it should be a Horizon radio not an Airpair. I don't have the slightest idea how you ever got that price from someone but it was an exceptional deal. MSRP for a 200 Mb standard (not high power) with 2' antennas and install kits is $19,500. Consider another $1k for for the additional 100 mb of bandwidth and $1k for high power and you are looking at a $21,500 MSRP. Given your purchase price that equals a 50% or so discount on the product. This is not the Dragonwave normal discount. Bob Tom DeReggi wrote: > Bob, > > I have a customer in NY, (near United Nations area.), I'm trying to close > deal on. > Originally I was jsut planning on buying a 100mbCogent link from a near > buildings, and Tlink45ing to it, Since prospect needs 30mbps. > > I saw you mentioned "Manhatten". Do you accept T&M wireless field service > work? If so, what are your rates? > I might as well ask... Do you wholesale Transit? > > PS. The last 300mbps Airpair 23Ghz w/2ft dishes, that I bought (this month), > I paid $10,800 (with Hi-power) NEW. > My Trango Apex w/ dish (same spec), I paid $8600 new (this month). $10,000 > really isn't a steal anymore for used gear, if its a savy buyer. > You were asking a "fair" price, but it was not a "steal". > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Moldashel" <lakel...@gbcx.net> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? > > > >> Hey Adam, >> >> I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't >> pan out??? >> >> I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. >> 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even >> offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no >> charge. >> >> According to Mario the "deal breaker" was I was not going to let him >> take the link, install it, and "try it" for a week or two and then let >> him make his decision. He says he was worried about "interference". >> Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without >> issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean >> channel in rural Kingston NY. >> >> $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a >> choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. >> >> The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame >> Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. >> >> If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until >> February 10th. Get me offlist >> >> lakel...@gbcx.net >> >> Bob >> >> >> Adam Greene wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> Following up on this thread ... >>> >>> First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very >>> helpful. >>> >>> Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used >>> Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. >>> >>> A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz >>> licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO >>> product). >>> >>> Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two >>> products >>> (or companies)? >>> >>> Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region >>> K >>> zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k >>> (price is an object). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Adam Greene >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>> >>>> Just to resuscitate this thread ... >>>> >>>> We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of >>>> reliability. >>>> >>>> We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting >>>> interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. >>>> >>>> We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. >>>> >>>> 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link >>>> budget calculations. >>>> >>>> Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what >>>> suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency & radio to deploy, >>>> to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay >>>> more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? >>>> >>>> We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The >>>> >>>> >>>>> link >>>>> has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So >>>>> thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a >>>>> >>>>> >>>> roadmap of >>>> >>>> >>>>> more to follow. >>>>> >>>>> They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that >>>>> price. >>>>> No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> market >>>> >>>> >>>>> clearly supports the current price point. >>>>> >>>>> Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps >>>>> >>>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>>> AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued >>>>> >>>>> >>>> at >>>> >>>> >>>>> $10k >>>>> - $20k depending on who you ask. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>> >>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM >>>>> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >>>>> I fully agree. >>>>> >>>>> I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a >>>>> license >>>>> >>>>> for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for >>>>> manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The >>>> >>>> >>>>> truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some >>>>> reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the >>>>> 80Ghz. >>>>> I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> industry >>>> >>>> >>>>> back >>>>> >>>>> for no good reason. >>>>> >>>>> We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are >>>>> >>>>> >>>> getting >>>> >>>> >>>>> really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Trango >>>> >>>> >>>>> adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn >>>>> >>>>> >>>> close >>>> >>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it >>>>> >>>>> >>>> togeather >>>> >>>> >>>>> and >>>>> rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty >>>>> short >>>>> >>>>> range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 1/3 >>>> >>>> >>>>> the price. Most people would rather save money. >>>>> >>>>> They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making >>>>> sales, >>>>> before to long. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure >>>>> >>>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> >>>>> that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its >>>>> >>>>> >>>> buyer. >>>> >>>> >>>>> But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I >>>>> >>>>> >>>> can >>>> >>>> >>>>> count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a >>>>> >>>>> >>>> $10k >>>> >>>> >>>>> radio. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "can...@believewireless.net" <p...@believewireless.net> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> had >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>>>> over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> do >>>> >>>> >>>>>> 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. >>>>>> Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, "We really >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> don't >>>> >>>> >>>>>> need >>>>>> a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine." >>>>>> >>>>>> We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex >>>>>> links. >>>>>> Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> are >>>> >>>> >>>>>> cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave >>>>>> offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> all >>>> >>>> >>>>>> over >>>>>> it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> SLE100 >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can >>>>>> do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> tend to >>>> >>>> >>>>>> be >>>>>> outside of the 1/2 mile range. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi >>>>>> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> combining 4 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting >>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>> close. >>>>>>> But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> capacity >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. >>>>>>> Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and >>>>>>> affording >>>>>>> to buy and install as many links as possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave >>>>>>> needs >>>>>>> more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Apexes >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left >>>>>>> behind >>>>>>> this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and >>>>>>> embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> trouble to deploy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> then, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> bought >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> ROI in one year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> costs >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being >>>>>>> used. >>>>>>> If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> link. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Sure >>>>>>> if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> But at >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> procurement over 3-5 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they >>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> they >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> loose >>>>>>> huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Dragonwave, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> fit a much wider set of diverse needs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw >>>>>>>> throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will >>>>>>>> produce >>>>>>>> line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> DragonWave >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to >>>>>>>> deploying >>>>>>>> another BridgeWave link. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than >>>>>>>> Dragonwave >>>>>>>> for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> it. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>>>> 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM >>>>>>>>> To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bob, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> due). >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> 366mbps >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>> radio ODU with Ethernet. >>>>>>>>> Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio >>>>>>>>> combining >>>>>>>>> (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> proposition >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> hops, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: <lakel...@gbcx.net> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But agree with everything else >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good advice Bob, but I'll add.... There is a purpose for each >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> model, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> always >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>>>> choice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some >>>>>>>>>> circumstances. >>>>>>>>>> Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 1000ft. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> 150-200 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> feet or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Fiber >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> (Dragonwave >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> taking >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> cable >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Coords >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> completion >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> 23 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ghz >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Private >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> For >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> example, >>>>>>>>>> Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Port2 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> This is >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> enabled >>>>>>>>>> with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> equipment >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique >>>>>>>>>> benefit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Airpair >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supports >>>>>>>>>> a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> with >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement >>>>>>>>>> warrantees, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> outdoor >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> radio. >>>>>>>>>> I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> $12,000 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>> Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> links in >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> place, >>>>>>>>>> and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> said, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Zero >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> they >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Dragonwaves >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango >>>>>>>>>> giga, >>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>> split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> channel >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>> that will benefit from it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <lakel...@gbcx.net> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well....a couple of notes... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes >>>>>>>>>>> servicing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> guessing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> run >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CAT5 >>>>>>>>>>> and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> lines >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> ground >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> theft >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a >>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>> screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> lock >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably >>>>>>>>>>> consider >>>>>>>>>>> another location. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With weather being a concern you could always install a second >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> parallel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fails >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> other could be engaged to carry the traffic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) >>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Ghz. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> antenna >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> installation. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service >>>>>>>>>>> facility >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment >>>>>>>>>>> overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is >>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>> $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is >>>>>>>>>>> serviced >>>>>>>>>>> overseas unless it is an interface or something simple. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> leave >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> name with a service and they call you back. I have installed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 >>>>>>>>>>> failures. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are other options but history, price or delivery will >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> kill >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> an option. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And stay away from equipment that does switching for you. Do >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> all >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> control external to the radio. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back >>>>>>>>>>>> hauling >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> looking >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "which >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> fits better for our needs"? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just to summarize: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a) links are around 20-25 miles >>>>>>>>>>>> b) antennas: the smaller the better >>>>>>>>>>>> c) robustness is very important >>>>>>>>>>>> d) average life: 3 years >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> considerations: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> protected >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> from "sabotage and stealing". The "all outdoor" approach is >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> nice >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> half of the "banknote", so after the first or second time, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> they >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> spend time having something useless. >>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> from >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> huge >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> amount >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 1300A) we >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> tower, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> welcome). >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> somewhere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> swapping >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> ODU. >>>>>>>>>>>> 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is >>>>>>>>>>>> frozen >>>>>>>>>>>> (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> does >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> change much, you have to wait the better season to work on >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> that. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5) Performances look more or less the same. >>>>>>>>>>>> 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> website, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> still exploring this aspect >>>>>>>>>>>> 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this >>>>>>>>>>>> devices >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Do >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to reset them often? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Comments are welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing some other good brand? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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