Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Have you looked at Netsweeper? Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
FYI there's also a semi-official hack (information is on their forum: forums.untangle.com) about how to install ntop reporting as well. Hopefully that as well as more detailed reporting will be included in future releases. I participated in the recent Astaro beta and that really spoiled me. It has much better reporting (by user, by domain, etc) and the content filtering is better and more stable in my opinion but it's very expensive to buy. So I run Untangle here. Greg On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Eric Rogers wrote: I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
I use untangle at many of the companies that I manage. Makes my job easier, and makes their employees more productive. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program FYI there's also a semi-official hack (information is on their forum: forums.untangle.com) about how to install ntop reporting as well. Hopefully that as well as more detailed reporting will be included in future releases. I participated in the recent Astaro beta and that really spoiled me. It has much better reporting (by user, by domain, etc) and the content filtering is better and more stable in my opinion but it's very expensive to buy. So I run Untangle here. Greg On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Eric Rogers wrote: I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Hello, We have also used http://www.endian.com/en/. At the time, about 8 months ago, untangle was kind of picky as to what hardware it would work with. I do not know if that is still the case. We chose to use endian and love it. We are rolling out a network wide one for our hotspots. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested. I included the original email below, but I will summarize. I was asked to find a way to log where employees are going on the internet. I took the many suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server, etc. They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer wanted. What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle. It is a unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com. Very secure. It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content firewall. I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired. We turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent to the users. It logs where each workstation went on the internet for about 2 months. Now that they have collected the information, they have confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being watched. Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting time. It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their network. Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source. There are other Pay For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely maintained. They are also great products. Once this server outlives its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better reporting and constant updates. Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or answer questions should they arise later. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. If it's just reporting you want, Cymphonix makes boxes that do exactly what you're asking for. Can be a transparent bridge or a NAT gateway, has all kinds of fancy reporting, tracking, and filtering capabilities. I've had one for a while I keep meaning to put in place for our offices (our customer network has long since outgrown its capabilities). That, along with similar systems from Allot and Packeteer probably cost more than Ntop, Mikrotik, etc. but they provide tech support etc. that you may not want to have to do. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Employers own the content of all correspondence That has been time tested. Not true, from my experience. Expecially if the correspondance is non-business related. Actually, I was involved in a case where the employer was successfully sued by the employee for violating their employee's privacy. The employer was threatening to fire certain employees, based on the content (most likely porn) of personal Emails sent and read from work, and Web access to some sites. We installed the original tracking system, and we de-installed it after they lost the suit, and re-installed the new solution that did not put the employer at risk to lose another costly law suit of that nature. Granted, this took place probably 8 years ago, when I was still in the LAN network integration business. There could have been newer law changing legislation. Regardless of what the current laws are or are not, an Employer really needs to think about whether they really want to go there in the first place, to risk defending litigation. Privacy issues can be very complicated, and expensive to defend. By default the legal system favors the employee in almost all aspects, and the employer is held responsible for the burden to setup the policies, proceedures, and agreements in advance in a way that are law biding. At minimum, a clear plan has to be defined on what the privacy policy is. In many cases if a policy is set AFTER an employee starts employment, it can be argued that the employee was Coerced/forced to sign an agreement that they did not want to agree to, or they'd lose the job that they rely on, which they committed to based on other terms. So there is even the possibilty that signed privacy agreements can be thrown out as non-inforcible. Again, these are very generalized statements, and there are many variables that go into what is and isn't legally inforcible. Installing a solution that allows one to manage there network, completely avoids the privacy issues and any law suits, and often accomplishes the same goals, to keep employees focused on work and not personal activities. To be clear, there are four issue here. 1) Tracking someone's use without letting them know that you are tracking it. (remember why someone must disclose if a telephone call or conversation is being recorded?) 2) Tracking someone's use with or without an official privacy/usage policy. (remember discussions regarding ISPs privacy issues) 3) Whether you are allowed to track someone's personal/private Internet use in the first place, and if so, how its distinguished which use/content is personal/private versus business. 4) Whether being on-the-clock and within a Business office is enough to for someone's Internet use/content to be considered Business property. Prior to tracking Employee's use the Employer should have a clear legal understanding of how they can defend each and every one of these things, are they are putting themselves at a legal risk. I can tell you, the case I was involved in was not a small claims court case. Big dollars were put on the table. If this same situation occured to a small company, I'd bet that 99% of the employers would be forced to settle out of court early, and payoff the employee, because the cost to defend the case would far outway the benefit, and getting compensation from the employee for the legal fees is not a likely thing to occur. Its something to think about. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
If they sign the disclosure statement, they have no place on which to hang their hat. It is the disclosure or lack thereof that gets some companies into trouble. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Employers own the content of all correspondence That has been time tested. Not true, from my experience. Expecially if the correspondance is non-business related. Actually, I was involved in a case where the employer was successfully sued by the employee for violating their employee's privacy. The employer was threatening to fire certain employees, based on the content (most likely porn) of personal Emails sent and read from work, and Web access to some sites. We installed the original tracking system, and we de-installed it after they lost the suit, and re-installed the new solution that did not put the employer at risk to lose another costly law suit of that nature. Granted, this took place probably 8 years ago, when I was still in the LAN network integration business. There could have been newer law changing legislation. Regardless of what the current laws are or are not, an Employer really needs to think about whether they really want to go there in the first place, to risk defending litigation. Privacy issues can be very complicated, and expensive to defend. By default the legal system favors the employee in almost all aspects, and the employer is held responsible for the burden to setup the policies, proceedures, and agreements in advance in a way that are law biding. At minimum, a clear plan has to be defined on what the privacy policy is. In many cases if a policy is set AFTER an employee starts employment, it can be argued that the employee was Coerced/forced to sign an agreement that they did not want to agree to, or they'd lose the job that they rely on, which they committed to based on other terms. So there is even the possibilty that signed privacy agreements can be thrown out as non-inforcible. Again, these are very generalized statements, and there are many variables that go into what is and isn't legally inforcible. Installing a solution that allows one to manage there network, completely avoids the privacy issues and any law suits, and often accomplishes the same goals, to keep employees focused on work and not personal activities. To be clear, there are four issue here. 1) Tracking someone's use without letting them know that you are tracking it. (remember why someone must disclose if a telephone call or conversation is being recorded?) 2) Tracking someone's use with or without an official privacy/usage policy. (remember discussions regarding ISPs privacy issues) 3) Whether you are allowed to track someone's personal/private Internet use in the first place, and if so, how its distinguished which use/content is personal/private versus business. 4) Whether being on-the-clock and within a Business office is enough to for someone's Internet use/content to be considered Business property. Prior to tracking Employee's use the Employer should have a clear legal understanding of how they can defend each and every one of these things, are they are putting themselves at a legal risk. I can tell you, the case I was involved in was not a small claims court case. Big dollars were put on the table. If this same situation occured to a small company, I'd bet that 99% of the employers would be forced to settle out of court early, and payoff the employee, because the cost to defend the case would far outway the benefit, and getting compensation from the employee for the legal fees is not a likely thing to occur. Its something to think about. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Guys, Again, I don't want to get side-tracked. Please bring it back on topic. Thanks, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Employers own the content of all correspondence That has been time tested. Not true, from my experience. Expecially if the correspondance is non-business related. Actually, I was involved in a case where the employer was successfully sued by the employee for violating their employee's privacy. The employer was threatening to fire certain employees, based on the content (most likely porn) of personal Emails sent and read from work, and Web access to some sites. We installed the original tracking system, and we de-installed it after they lost the suit, and re-installed the new solution that did not put the employer at risk to lose another costly law suit of that nature. Granted, this took place probably 8 years ago, when I was still in the LAN network integration business. There could have been newer law changing legislation. Regardless of what the current laws are or are not, an Employer really needs to think about whether they really want to go there in the first place, to risk defending litigation. Privacy issues can be very complicated, and expensive to defend. By default the legal system favors the employee in almost all aspects, and the employer is held responsible for the burden to setup the policies, proceedures, and agreements in advance in a way that are law biding. At minimum, a clear plan has to be defined on what the privacy policy is. In many cases if a policy is set AFTER an employee starts employment, it can be argued that the employee was Coerced/forced to sign an agreement that they did not want to agree to, or they'd lose the job that they rely on, which they committed to based on other terms. So there is even the possibilty that signed privacy agreements can be thrown out as non-inforcible. Again, these are very generalized statements, and there are many variables that go into what is and isn't legally inforcible. Installing a solution that allows one to manage there network, completely avoids the privacy issues and any law suits, and often accomplishes the same goals, to keep employees focused on work and not personal activities. To be clear, there are four issue here. 1) Tracking someone's use without letting them know that you are tracking it. (remember why someone must disclose if a telephone call or conversation is being recorded?) 2) Tracking someone's use with or without an official privacy/usage policy. (remember discussions regarding ISPs privacy issues) 3) Whether you are allowed to track someone's personal/private Internet use in the first place, and if so, how its distinguished which use/content is personal/private versus business. 4) Whether being on-the-clock and within a Business office is enough to for someone's Internet use/content to be considered Business property. Prior to tracking Employee's use the Employer should have a clear legal understanding of how they can defend each and every one of these things, are they are putting themselves at a legal risk. I can tell you, the case I was involved in was not a small claims court case. Big dollars were put on the table. If this same situation occured to a small company, I'd bet that 99% of the employers would be forced to settle out of court early, and payoff the employee, because the cost to defend the case would far outway the benefit, and getting compensation from the employee for the legal fees is not a likely thing to occur. Its something to think about. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Eric, The matter at hand is to monitor traffic as a summary OK. I did not understand that initially, since you referenced keylogger as the previous solution that logs content and spys on Employee's private usage. I am not a lawyer, so I will leave that for this employer to consult his attorney Agreed. Thats the approach we take. If they want a solution we give it to them, but we advise them that some issues could exist, and they should address them with their attorneys, if they are concerned about it. I want suggestions at this point. I'd agree with others' advice. NTOP is probably a good way to do it. Actually anyone that runs a Linux router with Iptables, generally can get basic data. For example, a Firewall rule can be set up to allow each service that they want to track. Then you can count how many hits each rule gets. Or just send to a log, all firewall matches. And write quick scripts that looks at each line in the log and matches the IP and port. Of course, not a good end user solution, nor the advised way to do it, for anything other than troubleshooting when you don't have a solution in place. I can't really advise on a package, because so much has changed in the last 8 years, since we installed them. Some have been discontinued as their proxy technology did not handle all the new ways web sites work and such. But again, I seem to remember than many web proxies provide much of that data. If primarily web usage tracking is wanted, Things like Windows 2000's proxy server, Firedoor, WinProxy, I think could do it. Haven't used those for ages though. The common namebrand firewall appliances like Sonicwalls, now have modules for content control and management, at some level. Which provide some layer of tracking. As they are trying to migrate to attrack MSPs. Outside of that... others actually doing it now, will probably have better advise for products to use. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not directed toward Chuck or Tom. We (WISPA lists) tend to get off track and I want suggestions at this point. I am not a lawyer, so I will leave that for this employer to consult his attorney. The matter at hand is to monitor traffic as a summary, not capture data. Thanks, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200
[WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Anyone able to get NTop running on vista? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Eric Rogers wrote: Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. keylogger? not sure where you're going with that. check out ntop that, i'm guessing, solves about 90% of your current needs. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Jerry Richardson wrote: Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Yes! Ntop is awesome! Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. NTOP can be a NetFlow endpoint. I have that setup in my lab. Works great. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
NTOP can be a NetFlow endpoint. I have that setup in my lab. Works great. Good to know. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Not directed toward Chuck or Tom. We (WISPA lists) tend to get off track and I want suggestions at this point. I am not a lawyer, so I will leave that for this employer to consult his attorney. The matter at hand is to monitor traffic as a summary, not capture data. Thanks, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Not true. Employers own the content of all correspondence, whether electronic or otherwise. That has been time tested. Plus, in this state we can record the phone calls. We can record you on the phone without even notifying you if we call you or if you call us. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
NTop - Excellent suggestion. I am also looking (since it is a mikrotik firewall) using NetFlow and some sort of logging tool. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
The advantage of PRTG is that is will generate reports and email them on a regular basis. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program NTop - Excellent suggestion. I am also looking (since it is a mikrotik firewall) using NetFlow and some sort of logging tool. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Ntop (http://www.ntop.org/) will give you source IP, destination IP, and port. Runs on Linux or Windows. Cisco NetFlow can be combined with a free seat of PRTG and their 250.00 NetFlow plugin. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
Charles Wyble wrote: Jerry Richardson wrote: The advantage of PRTG is that is will generate reports and email them on a regular basis. H. I imagine this could be done pretty easily with NTOP as well. Might require some shell scripting. www.mirrors.wiretapped.net/security/network-monitoring/ntop/NTOP_Usage_Tracking.pdf has what you need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
I love this country... It's illegal to watch your employee's usage, but then you are liable if they do something illegal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
In Missouri its only illegal if you don't disclose it. You can monitor it all you want and can use it for a reason to fire someone. As long as they know that all data/websites etc are property of the company and that they can be monitored etc. Most companies put it in their employee handbook etc, that they sign when they start.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: I love this country... It's illegal to watch your employee's usage, but then you are liable if they do something illegal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
We make 'em sign a statement saying they have read the employee handbook. - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program In Missouri its only illegal if you don't disclose it. You can monitor it all you want and can use it for a reason to fire someone. As long as they know that all data/websites etc are property of the company and that they can be monitored etc. Most companies put it in their employee handbook etc, that they sign when they start.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: I love this country... It's illegal to watch your employee's usage, but then you are liable if they do something illegal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
If you have a Netflow compatible router at the edge, you can use http://manageengine.adventnet.com/products/netflow/network-bandwith-monitoring.html John Thomas Eric Rogers wrote: I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
