Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
At 2/12/2011 09:35 AM, MikeH wrote: Then they're buying from a CLEC. There is no technical way of doing so without a CLEC, ILEC, or cellular carrier involved for inbound service. Outbound VoIP requires an IXC. Correct. In order to interconnect with the rest of the PSTN, you need to be a certificated carrier, and that means ILEC, CLEC, or CMRS (wireless licensee). Or IXC, which isn't certificated but which has legal obligations. All of the VoIP resellers out there have CLECs in the loop, very often Level 3 or Paetec, who have large footprints, but also local ones in some places. The term "T1" is confusing. It technically refers to a long-obsolete DS1-speed carrier system, but is used to refer to anything that runs at the DS1 rate. For "broadband" data, that's slow by today's standards, though for real business applications (no video), it tends to be pretty good. So a lot of businesses use T1s, which a CLEC can often get at a cost-based rate, vs. the outrageous Special Access tariff price. But a DS1 circuit (isochronous, channelized) is how the whole PSTN does its interconnection. So a VoIP provider might buy PRIs from a CLEC. A PRI is a DS1 circuit with (typically) 23 bearer channels (64000 bps, used for voice calls though possibly circuit-switched data too) and one D channel (signaling). The CLEC, in turn, interconnects with other carriers using DS1-rate bearer links and signaling over the separate SS7 network. A CLEC certificate can often be handy for an ISP... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
And this is the exact same network the NTIA, hopefully, will look at to help subsidize for more rural build out. This is, as least, my hope. Copper is out, wireless is in! J Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: Jeremie Chism [mailto:jchi...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit margins. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, "St. Louis Broadband" wrote: Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for innovation! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit margins. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, "St. Louis Broadband" wrote: > Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson > affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. > > > > Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very > little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so > big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for > innovation! > > > > Victoria Proffer - President/CEO > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com > > > > 314-974-5600 > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeremie Chism > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > > Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do > distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. > It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff > that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per > month. > > > Sent from my iPhone4 > > > On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being > done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or > charging your customer too much. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > > T1 is far from legacy. > > > Regards, > > Chuck > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband > wrote: > > How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they > will be selling much of that in the future. > > > > Victoria Proffer - President/CEO > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com > > > > 314-974-5600 > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > > You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" > T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via > T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: > > Stuart, > > This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have > already been collected. > > This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to > U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared > network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a > ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … > haven’t seen that part yet … > > I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the > monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. > > Victoria Proffer - President/CEO > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com > > 314-974-5600 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what > ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it > brings now and the future. > > Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own > capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades > yea ! > > This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. > They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly > back to the
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for innovation! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fa
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being > done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or > charging your customer too much. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >> >> T1 is far from legacy. >> >> Regards, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband >> wrote: >> How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they >> will be selling much of that in the future. >> >> >> >> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO >> >> www.ShowMeBroadband.com >> >> www.StLouisBroadband.com >> >> www.FarmingtonForum.com >> >> >> >> 314-974-5600 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM >> >> >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world >> >> >> You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" >> T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via >> T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: >> >> Stuart, >> >> This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have >> already been collected. >> >> This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to >> U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared >> network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a >> ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … >> haven’t seen that part yet … >> >> I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the >> monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. >> >> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO >> >> www.ShowMeBroadband.com >> >> www.StLouisBroadband.com >> >> www.FarmingtonForum.com >> >> 314-974-5600 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world >> >> Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or >> what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the >> problems it brings now and the future. >> >> Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own >> capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades >> yea ! >> >> This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. >> They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly >> back to the people. >> >> If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for >> verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth >> what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent >> bandied about $10 million dollar figure. >> >> Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely >> associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. >> >> Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want >> to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. >> >> With that, Go Buckeyes !! >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: Drew Lentz >> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >> >> >Jack, this line s
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
I am working with a company for VoIP and they are not a CLEC and do have access to PSTN. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world The ILECs do not sell VoIP AFAIK. A CLEC is the only place to go for VoIP access. If you're buying VoIP from anyone, either they're a CLEC or they're buying from a CLEC. T1 was legacy before there was a replacement. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is
being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're
receiving or charging your customer too much.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
T1 is far from legacy.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband
mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com>> wrote:
How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I
doubt they will be selling much of that in the future.
*Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
www.ShowMeBroadband.com <http://www.ShowMeBroadband.com>
www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://www.StLouisBroadband.com>
www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
314-974-5600
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually
"deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be
purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for
VoIP access.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
Stuart,
This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds
that have already been collected.
This is also the same network plan that my company developed and
handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was
for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed
wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local
communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet …
I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up
the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for.
*Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
314-974-5600
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or
will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into
Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future.
Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with
their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas
quicker ? Well hades yea !
This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it
or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and
give it directly back to the people.
If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon
is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315
million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure.
Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything
remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government
and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it
back to the people.
With that, Go Buckeyes !!
-- Original Message --
From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com>
Reply-To: WISPA General List
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
>Jack, this line stood out to me:
>"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act
together "
>
>You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things
with this.
>The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support
building a
>wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting
>groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the
congressional
>level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
>together networks, allowing existing provides to increase
build-out, and
>help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed
light on
>the subject of what can be done with the existing providers,
you're right,
>money will go to new guys th
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Around here T1's are considered slow. And bonding them is far to expensive. Every customer we have switched over from a CLEC wants to dump their T1 for something faster. Honestly on our VoIP customers if we can't service them they get Comcast with our VOIP service. I think the T1 is the biggest thing hurting the clec's. Its hard for them to compete with comcast fiber or me I worked for two and actually had one just recently offer me a large salary to come work for them. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > T1 is far from legacy. > > Regards, > > Chuck > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband > wrote: > How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they > will be selling much of that in the future. > > > > Victoria Proffer - President/CEO > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com > > > > 314-974-5600 > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" > T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via > T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: > > Stuart, > > This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have > already been collected. > > This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to > U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared > network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a > ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … > haven’t seen that part yet … > > I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the > monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. > > Victoria Proffer - President/CEO > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com > > 314-974-5600 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what > ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it > brings now and the future. > > Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own > capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades > yea ! > > This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. > They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly > back to the people. > > If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification > and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based > on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 > million dollar figure. > > Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely > associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. > > Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want > to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. > > With that, Go Buckeyes !! > > -- Original Message -- > > From: Drew Lentz > > Reply-To: WISPA General List > > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 > > >Jack, this line stood out to me: > > >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > > > > > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. > > >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a > > >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting > > >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional > > >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie > > >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase bu
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
It speed is, according to the FCC. It is certainly not broadband. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:16 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it &
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: > How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they > will be selling much of that in the future. > > > > *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> > > > > 314-974-5600 > > > > > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM > > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > > You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually > "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their > service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: > > Stuart, > > This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have > already been collected. > > This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to > U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared > network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a > ‘community > based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen > that part yet … > > I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the > monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. > > *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* > > www.ShowMeBroadband.com > > www.StLouisBroadband.com > > www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> > > 314-974-5600 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or > what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the > problems it brings now and the future. > > Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their > own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well > hades yea ! > > This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. > They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly > back to the people. > > If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for > verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth > what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent > bandied about $10 million dollar figure. > > Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely > associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. > > Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want > to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. > > With that, Go Buckeyes !! > > -- Original Message -- > > From: Drew Lentz > > Reply-To: WISPA General List > > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 > > >Jack, this line stood out to me: > > >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > > > > > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with > this. > > >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building > a > > >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By > supporting > > >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional > > >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie > > >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and > > >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on > > >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, > > >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more > rural > > >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we > > >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that > > >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated > &g
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it >matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving >too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that >change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward >towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few >steps. > >-drew > >On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho <mailto:coelh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I hav
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually "deliver" T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the profits...haven't seen that part yet... I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* ___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_ ___www.StLouisBroadband.com_ ___www.FarmingtonForum.com_<http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it >matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving >too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that >change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward >towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few >steps. > >-drew > >On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > >> I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, >> however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a >> true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very >> strongly don't believe in socialism. >> >> I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a >> clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech >> fodder. >> >> wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some ste
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
In line Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: Scott Reed [mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:54 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Comments inline On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS. Come on, it is a government charge to redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars. And I believe the current discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream. [>] If you want to say that the payment on your phone bill is the same as the IRS, ok, but I don't think that is technically correct. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be able to run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit. Sure, we do the public good, we participate it community events, have been members of local government committees, but that does not mean we want to share the $$$. [>] When a community based network is setup, it is the same as having share holders, because they have an investment in the project. I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was competition? The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name changed. Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of which have merged. But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) and there is no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big dollars. We may be able to get a small share of anything new, but the bulk will always go to where it can come back from the fastest. [>] Agreed! Maybe they are really trying to fix it! As least that is the impression that I got from Chopra and Genachowski. And I did have at least half hour conversations with each. BTW - The big dollars aren't going to be so big when the networks move from copper to wireless and they lose their government tit, the USF. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz <mailto:d...@drewlentz.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this cou
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Comments inline On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS. Come on, it is a government charge to redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars. And I believe the current discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream. This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the profits...haven't seen that part yet... I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be able to run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit. Sure, we do the public good, we participate it community events, have been members of local government committees, but that does not mean we want to share the $$$. I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was competition? The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name changed. Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of which have merged. But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) and there is no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big dollars. We may be able to get a small share of anything new, but the bulk will always go to where it can come back from the fastest. ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* ___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_ ___www.StLouisBroadband.com_ ___www.FarmingtonForum.com_<http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it >matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving >too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that >change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward >towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, tha
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Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com <http://farmingtonforum.com/> 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it >matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving >too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that >change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward >towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few >steps. > >-drew > >On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > >> I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, >> however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a >> true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very >> strongly don't believe in socialism. >> >> I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a >> clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech >> fodder. >> >> wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that >> would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to >> put some of those down and post them up early next week. >> >> Marco >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> >>> Marco, >>> >>> Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may >>> cause it to just be tossed
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Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 >Jack, this line stood out to me: >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " > >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated >contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA >commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more >than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it >matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving >too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that >change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward >towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few >steps. > >-drew > >On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > >> I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, >> however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a >> true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very >> strongly don't believe in socialism. >> >> I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a >> clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech >> fodder. >> >> wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that >> would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to >> put some of those down and post them up early next week. >> >> Marco >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> >>> Marco, >>> >>> Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may >>> cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would >>> like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in >>> a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. >>> >>> I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to >>> make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem >>> unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband >>> is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". >>> >>> Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and >>> get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to >>> Congress? >>> >>> jack >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: >>> >>> >>> Here's some more: >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama >>> >>> >>> my response: >>> >>> Dear Mr. President, >>> >>> I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. >>> I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 >>> years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. >>> So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers >>> but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess >>> things up. >>>
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Jack, Go ahead and pen a template and post it for others to enhance as needed for their areas. Enhancing it for their areas and sent to their representatives for their areas will make more sense to those representatives when mentioning landmarks and such. -- Original Message -- From: Jack Unger Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:52:57 -0800 > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Jack, this line stood out to me: "Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together " You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, > however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a > true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very > strongly don't believe in socialism. > > I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a > clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech > fodder. > > wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that > would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to > put some of those down and post them up early next week. > > Marco > > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > >> Marco, >> >> Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may >> cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would >> like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in >> a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. >> >> I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to >> make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem >> unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband >> is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". >> >> Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and >> get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to >> Congress? >> >> jack >> >> >> >> On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: >> >> >> Here's some more: >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama >> >> >> my response: >> >> Dear Mr. President, >> >> I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. >> I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 >> years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. >> So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers >> but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess >> things up. >> >> Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's >> still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do >> pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples >> monies and squandered. >> >> Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came >> with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an >> asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed >> bands that us WISPs use. >> >> Marco Coelho >> President, >> Argon Technologies Inc. >> >> >> -- >> Marco C. Coelho >> Argon Technologies Inc. >> POB 875 >> Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >> 903-455-5036 >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" >> Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since >> 1993www.ask-wi.com
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I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very strongly don't believe in socialism. I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech fodder. wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to put some of those down and post them up early next week. Marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Marco, > > Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may > cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would > like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in > a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. > > I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to > make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem > unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband > is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". > > Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and > get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to > Congress? > > jack > > > > On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > > > Here's some more: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama > > > my response: > > Dear Mr. President, > > I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. > I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 > years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. > So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers > but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess > things up. > > Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's > still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do > pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples > monies and squandered. > > Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came > with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an > asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed > bands that us WISPs use. > > Marco Coelho > President, > Argon Technologies Inc. > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" > Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com > 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Marco, Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to Congress? jack On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
and I only know 3 chords! On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most of > the world > > are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky? > > I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello to put > in our leather pants! > > marco > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: >> >> $10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety??? >> Hahahaha Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC, >> Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC. >> >> Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be >> funny. Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >> >> “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the >> airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on >> the radiospectrum to commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this >> would raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent >> on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband >> network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help >> rural areas access high-speed wireless.” >> >> >> >> Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff >> ImageStream Sales Manager >> 800-813-5123 x106 >> >> ____ >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Marco Coelho >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world >> >> >> >> Here's some more: >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama >> >> >> my response: >> >> Dear Mr. President, >> >> I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. >> I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 >> years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. >> So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers >> but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess >> things up. >> >> Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's >> still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do >> pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples >> monies and squandered. >> >> Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came >> with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an >> asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed >> bands that us WISPs use. >> >> Marco Coelho >> President, >> Argon Technologies Inc. >> >> >> -- >> Marco C. Coelho >> Argon Technologies Inc. >> POB 875 >> Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >> 903-455-5036 >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
"Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama> radiospectrum to commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access high-speed wireless." Doesn't this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most of the world are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky? I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello to put in our leather pants! marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: > $10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety??? > Hahahaha Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC, > Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC. > > Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be > funny. Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs > > -B- > > > > > On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the > airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the radio > spectrum <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama> to > commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly > $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that > include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public > safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access > high-speed wireless.” > > > > Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > ImageStream Sales Manager > 800-813-5123 x106 > -- > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM > *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List > *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > > > Here's some more: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama > > > my response: > > Dear Mr. President, > > I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. > I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 > years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. > So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers > but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess > things up. > > Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's > still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do > pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples > monies and squandered. > > Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came > with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an > asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed > bands that us WISPs use. > > Marco Coelho > President, > Argon Technologies Inc. > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > -- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Its amazin' what RF will do to a man... :-) -B- On 2/10/2011 6:12 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most of the world are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky? I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello to put in our leather pants! marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote: $10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety??? Hahahaha Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC. Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be funny. Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs -B- On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on theradiospectrum <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama>to commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access high-speed wireless.” Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM *To:* us...@wug.cc <mailto:us...@wug.cc>; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ---
[WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
$10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety??? Hahahaha Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC. Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be funny. Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs -B- On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: "Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on theradiospectrum <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama>to commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access high-speed wireless." Doesn't this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
that would be one of the problems. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the > airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the radio > spectrum <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama> to > commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly > $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that > include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public > safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access > high-speed wireless.” > > > > Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use? > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > ImageStream Sales Manager > 800-813-5123 x106 > -- > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *Marco Coelho > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM > *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List > *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world > > > > > Here's some more: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama > > > my response: > > Dear Mr. President, > > I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. > I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 > years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. > So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers > but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess > things up. > > Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's > still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do > pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples > monies and squandered. > > Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came > with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an > asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed > bands that us WISPs use. > > Marco Coelho > President, > Argon Technologies Inc. > > > -- > Marco C. Coelho > Argon Technologies Inc. > POB 875 > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > 903-455-5036 > -- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3434 - Release Date: 02/10/11 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
