Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Greg Ihnen]

A massive reflector might work with normal power levels.

A friend of mine who was a ham and lived out on Long Island NY bought a surplus 
weather ballon (some kind of metalized plastic) and used to let it up at night 
and point his UHF yagi at it and work guys all over the tristate area... till 
the police showed up and asked him to take it down. To people traveling on the 
LI Expressway it appeared to be moving and the police were getting inundated 
with UFO reports.

Greg

On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> lol
> 
> That's certainly a part of it.
> 
> It just takes a lot of power to pull this off.
> 
> Building a ptp link (remember you can easily and LEGALLY have a 60 watt 
> transmit level on the two ends) with a really short range and I'd think 
> it'll work.
> 
> However, these days the risks of multipath, down range interference, 
> reflection etc. are just too high to make this worth doing.  Just spend the 
> few bucks it takes to do it right and know you'll never have to fight to 
> keep the link working.
> 
> laters,
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Philip Dorr" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
> 
> 
>> So it could work on a licensed or ham radio link that is pumping out 50+ 
>> watts?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
>> wrote:
>>> I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're 
>>> basically
>>> going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3). Running the calcs 
>>> it
>>> looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.
>>> 
>>> Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance. So
>>> at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd
>>> still only see a receive signal of about -114.
>>> 
>>> Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
>>> marlon
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? 
>>> This
>>> sounds WAY to simple.
>>> 
>>> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal 
>>> plugged
>>> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal
>>> would you have on the back side at the house?
>>> 
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>> 
>>> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between 
>>> the
>>> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply 
>>> on
>>> a remote location.
>>> 
>>> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rubens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>>>> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
>>>> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>>>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 
>>>> Ethernet
>>>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that 
>>>> not
>>>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>> 
>>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>> 
>>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Marlon K. Schafer]

lol

That's certainly a part of it.

It just takes a lot of power to pull this off.

Building a ptp link (remember you can easily and LEGALLY have a 60 watt 
transmit level on the two ends) with a really short range and I'd think 
it'll work.

However, these days the risks of multipath, down range interference, 
reflection etc. are just too high to make this worth doing.  Just spend the 
few bucks it takes to do it right and know you'll never have to fight to 
keep the link working.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Dorr" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


> So it could work on a licensed or ham radio link that is pumping out 50+ 
> watts?
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
> wrote:
>> I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it 
>> work.
>>
>> If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're 
>> basically
>> going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3). Running the calcs 
>> it
>> looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.
>>
>> Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance. So
>> at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd
>> still only see a receive signal of about -114.
>>
>> Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>>
>> Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? 
>> This
>> sounds WAY to simple.
>>
>> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal 
>> plugged
>> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal
>> would you have on the back side at the house?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between 
>> the
>> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply 
>> on
>> a remote location.
>>
>> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
>>> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 
>>> Ethernet
>>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that 
>>> not
>>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

So it could work on a licensed or ham radio link that is pumping out 50+ watts?

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it work.
>
> If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're basically
> going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3).  Running the calcs it
> looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.
>
> Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance.  So
> at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd
> still only see a receive signal of about -114.
>
> Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
>
> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This
> sounds WAY to simple.
>
> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged
> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal
> would you have on the back side at the house?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the
> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on
> a remote location.
>
> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
>> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet
>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Nope.  But my 1 sub customer's have!  grin
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


The question then becomes, would you spend $800 for a one sub repeater?

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:
> Cutting too many corners on backhaul is like cutting too many corners on
> brakes or tires.
>
> I used the ah boards for everything. More processor and memory etc.
>
> I just put in a backhaul link that pulled over 30 megs both ways on a 6 or
> so mile shot. My cost on it was under $800.
>
> When I bought my first backhaul link it was around $5k for a BreezeCOM 
> DS.11
> wifi link capable of a whopping 4ish megs.
>
> I've gone the cheapo route for backhaul and I've gone the nice way. It's a
> LOT cheaper to install good (not always great) hardware. You'll have far
> fewer phone calls etc.
>
> Hope that helps Steve,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:00 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
>
>>I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>>have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
>>was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>>TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet
>>up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that
>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through
>> POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it work.

If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're basically 
going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3).  Running the calcs it 
looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.

Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance.  So 
at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd 
still only see a receive signal of about -114.

Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
sounds WAY to simple.

A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
would you have on the back side at the house?

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
a remote location.

(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)


Rubens


On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I 
> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet 
> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not 
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[RickG]

The question then becomes, would you spend $800 for a one sub repeater?

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> Cutting too many corners on backhaul is like cutting too many corners on
> brakes or tires.
>
> I used the ah boards for everything.  More processor and memory etc.
>
> I just put in a backhaul link that pulled over 30 megs both ways on a 6 or
> so mile shot.  My cost on it was under $800.
>
> When I bought my first backhaul link it was around $5k for a BreezeCOM DS.11
> wifi link capable of a whopping 4ish megs.
>
> I've gone the cheapo route for backhaul and I've gone the nice way.  It's a
> LOT cheaper to install good (not always great) hardware.  You'll have far
> fewer phone calls etc.
>
> Hope that helps Steve,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:00 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
>
>>I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>>have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I
>>was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>>TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet
>>up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through
>> POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Cutting too many corners on backhaul is like cutting too many corners on 
brakes or tires.

I used the ah boards for everything.  More processor and memory etc.

I just put in a backhaul link that pulled over 30 megs both ways on a 6 or 
so mile shot.  My cost on it was under $800.

When I bought my first backhaul link it was around $5k for a BreezeCOM DS.11 
wifi link capable of a whopping 4ish megs.

I've gone the cheapo route for backhaul and I've gone the nice way.  It's a 
LOT cheaper to install good (not always great) hardware.  You'll have far 
fewer phone calls etc.

Hope that helps Steve,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:00 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater


>I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet 
>up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through 
> POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Greg Ihnen]

Gentlemen,

I think there's some misunderstanding concerning feed line length and 
proper matching. If the source and load are both the same impedance as the feed 
line then you have a perfect 1:1 match and the impedance seen at the source is 
the same no matter what the feed line length is. If there is a mismatch (load 
and/or feel line impedance does not match the source impedance then there will 
be a given SWR on the feed line. If for example there is a 2:1 purely resistive 
mismatch (SWR) between the load and feed line then you will see a 2:1 SWR on 
the entire feed line, and a 2:1 mismatch presented to the source no matter what 
the feed line length. However, the impedance seen as one moves down the feed 
line will go from 2:1 purely resistive, to 2:1 purely inductive (the resistive 
component will match the feed line resistive impedance) to a 2:1 mismatch being 
purely resistive but this time the inverse of the first case (if the load 
resistive impedance was twice the feed line then now it will present an 
impedance of half the feed line impedance) continuing on to a 2:1 mismatch 
being purely capacitive (the resistive component is again the same as the feed 
line's resistive impedance.

The only time a feed line impedance/length condition transforms a 
mismatched load and source combo into a perfect match is when you have 
situation where the line length and impedance are such that the impedance seen 
looking into the feed line from the source's end happen to match the source's 
impedance. There are some antenna/feed line combo designs which match a higher 
antenna resistive impedance to a lower transceiver resistive impedance using a 
feed line which has an intermediate resistive impedance and an exact length. 
However this arrangement is very frequency specific/sensitive and the feed line 
is still running less than perfect SWR with it's associated loss.

If you're using 50 Ohm antennas and 50 Ohm feed line and 50 Ohm 
transmitters then feed line length is unimportant. If you are using 
antennas/feedline/transmitters of differing impedances you'll have to use the 
Smith chart and see what impedance is presented to the transmitter at varying 
feed line lengths. Using a feed line of a specific length may or may not be 
able to provide an adequate match depending on the impedance of the feed line. 
If you're using coax you'll probably only have 50 Ohm cable and 75 Ohm cable to 
work with unless you happen to live near a good electronic surplus dealer who 
has scientific and/or military gear. Then you might have a few more options. Or 
you can get copper tubing in various sizes and make your own custom feed line.

Some folks like using feed lines of certain lengths (in electrical 
wavelengths) to try to avoid currents on the outside of the cable. That 
technique was bigger before the advent of ferrous chokes.

Greg

On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:

> OK so I used the calculator and the length is 1.2113 Inches for 1/4 wave.  I 
> will already have 60 inches of cable.  So what multiplier would be needed to 
> keep the 1/4 wave between the antennas.  Then the issue is how much cable is 
> inside the feed horn?
> Sounds like screw them together and test to me?
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
> 
> I think something like this would help:
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/freqwavelengthcalc.html
> 
> 
> On 06/08/2010 06:32 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would 
>> you need in between them for the best match?
>> 
>> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
>> electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
>> distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
>> have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.
>> 
>> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and 
>> can measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
>> meter/feet/inch.
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Mike
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>> 
>> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
>> If my 1/4 wave multiples

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mike]

One part of the variable is the velocity factor of your feedline, BESIDES
the simple algebra.  

The speed at which a signal travels within a coax cable is not the same as
an electromagnetic wave traveling in free space. Instead it is affected by
the dielectric in the coax cable.  The wave is slowed down by the coax.

So if the velocity factor is .66, as is common for most coax, your feed
would be 66% of calculated length.  For what you are doing, close would
probably be good enough, as long as each radiator was resonant at the
frequency you are using.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable
would you need in between them for the best match?
>
> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of
electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short
distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually
have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.
>
> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and
can measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to
meter/feet/inch.
>
300 / frequency in MHz = size in meters

> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance
inverter.
> If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be
found.
> (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I
DO find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test
it.
> :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero
impedance transformation. See the Smith chart -
http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
>
> The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed
line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in
the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain
distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0
on the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and
draw a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
> To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you
move down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you
move around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that
will be the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around
the outer diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a
wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25
wavelength around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
> 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on
the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
> 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in
other words you return to where you started.
>
> Greg
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
> years
>> I have done just that with limited success.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in
>> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as
>> well as
> the
>> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi
>> at
> a
>> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the
>> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that
>> particular time
> in
>> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole
>> was
> cut
>> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was
>> cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In
>> that way
> any
>> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in
>> the building a couple bars and made usag

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

OK so I used the calculator and the length is 1.2113 Inches for 1/4 wave.  I 
will already have 60 inches of cable.  So what multiplier would be needed to 
keep the 1/4 wave between the antennas.  Then the issue is how much cable is 
inside the feed horn?
Sounds like screw them together and test to me?

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:06 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

I think something like this would help:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/freqwavelengthcalc.html


On 06/08/2010 06:32 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would 
> you need in between them for the best match?
>
> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
> electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
> distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
> have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.
>
> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
> measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
> meter/feet/inch.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
> If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
> (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
> find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
> :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents
> zero impedance transformation. See the Smith chart -
> http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
>
> The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed 
> line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in 
> the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain 
> distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on 
> the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw 
> a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
> To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as
> you move down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a
> wavelength) you move around the Smith chart (actually around the
> circle you drew) and that will be the impedance seen at that point on
> the feed line. The scale around the outer diameter of the Smith chart
> reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down
> the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength around the Smith
> chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
> 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input
> impedance on the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed
> line then you go
> 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
> other words you return to where you started.
>
> Greg
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
>>
> years
>
>> I have done just that with limited success.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in
>> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as
>> well as
>>
> the
>
>> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a
>> Yagi at
>>
> a
>
>> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the
>> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that
>> particular time
>>
> in
>
>> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole
>> was
>>
> cut
>
>> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly,
>> was cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.
>> In that way
>>
> any
>
>> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would 
> you need in between them for the best match?
>
> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
> electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
> distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
> have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.
>
> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
> measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
> meter/feet/inch.
>
300 / frequency in MHz = size in meters

> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
> If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
> (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
> find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
> :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
> impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
> http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
>
> The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed 
> line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in 
> the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain 
> distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on 
> the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw 
> a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
> To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move 
> down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move 
> around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be 
> the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer 
> diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If 
> you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength 
> around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
> 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on 
> the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
> 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
> other words you return to where you started.
>
> Greg
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
> years
>> I have done just that with limited success.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in
>> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as
>> well as
> the
>> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi
>> at
> a
>> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the
>> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that
>> particular time
> in
>> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole
>> was
> cut
>> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was
>> cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In
>> that way
> any
>> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in
>> the building a couple bars and made usage possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a
>> bowl and couldn't see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.
>> Cell phones don't work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture
>> which has a hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my 
>> tower.
>> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a
>> panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which
>> termed the entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.
>>
>>
>>
>> We took 2 l

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mark Dueck]

I think something like this would help:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/freqwavelengthcalc.html


On 06/08/2010 06:32 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would 
> you need in between them for the best match?
>
> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
> electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
> distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
> have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.  
>
> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
> measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
> meter/feet/inch.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
> If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
> (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
> find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
> :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>  
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
> impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
> http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
>
> The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed 
> line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in 
> the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain 
> distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on 
> the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw 
> a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
> To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move 
> down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move 
> around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be 
> the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer 
> diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If 
> you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength 
> around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
> 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on 
> the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
> 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
> other words you return to where you started.
>
> Greg
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>   
>> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
>> 
> years
>   
>> I have done just that with limited success.  
>>
>>
>>
>> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in 
>> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as 
>> well as
>> 
> the
>   
>> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi 
>> at
>> 
> a
>   
>> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the 
>> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that 
>> particular time
>> 
> in
>   
>> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole 
>> was
>> 
> cut
>   
>> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was 
>> cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In 
>> that way
>> 
> any
>   
>> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in 
>> the building a couple bars and made usage possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a 
>> bowl and couldn't see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.  
>> Cell phones don't work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture 
>> which has a hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my 
>> tower.
>> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would you 
need in between them for the best match?

Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually have 
some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.  

Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
meter/feet/inch.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
(2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
:-)

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif

The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's 
impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in the center 
of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain distance and 
direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on the chart out 
to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw a circle 
centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move 
down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move 
around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be 
the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer 
diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If you 
go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength around the 
Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on the 
circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
other words you return to where you started.

Greg
On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:

> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
years
> I have done just that with limited success.  
> 
> 
> 
> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in 
> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as 
> well as
the
> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi 
> at
a
> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the 
> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that 
> particular time
in
> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole 
> was
cut
> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was 
> cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In 
> that way
any
> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in 
> the building a couple bars and made usage possible.
> 
> 
> 
> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a 
> bowl and couldn't see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.  
> Cell phones don't work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture 
> which has a hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my 
> tower.
> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a 
> panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which 
> termed the entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.
> 
> 
> 
> We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together 
> with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a 
> multiple of ¼
wave
> again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the
campground.
> It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn't work most of the 
> time before.
> 
> 
> 
> If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them 
> with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I 
> would be curious to see the results a

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mike]

You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
(2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO
find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
:-)

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero
impedance transformation. See the Smith chart -
http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif

The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed
line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in
the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain
distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0
on the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and
draw a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move
down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move
around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will
be the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the
outer diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a
wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25
wavelength around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on
the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in
other words you return to where you started.

Greg
On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:

> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
years
> I have done just that with limited success.  
> 
> 
> 
> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW
> Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as
the
> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi at
a
> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the building
> and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that particular time
in
> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole was
cut
> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut
> to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In that way
any
> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in the
> building a couple bars and made usage possible.
> 
> 
> 
> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a bowl
> and couldn’t see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.  Cell
> phones don’t work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture which has a
> hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my tower.
> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel
> pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the
> entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.
> 
> 
> 
> We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a
> short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼
wave
> again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the
campground.
> It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn’t work most of the time
> before.
> 
> 
> 
> If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with
> minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I would be
> curious to see the results as I haven’t done it with frequencies over 800
> MHz.  I wouldn’t look for any magic results but reasonable results if your
> engineering is sound.
> 
> 
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Gilchrist
> 
> Disruptive Technologist
> 
> Advanced Wireless Express
> 
> P.O. Box 255
> 
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 
> Mike's
>
<http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h
> tml>  Weekly Column
> 
> 239.770.6203
> 
> m...@aweiowa.com
> 
> 
> 
>  _  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
> 
> 
> 
> For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical
mountain-top
> repeat situation, the combin

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Greg Ihnen]

My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif

The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's 
impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in the center 
of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain distance and 
direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on the chart out 
to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw a circle 
centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance. To calculate the 
impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move down the feed 
line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move around the Smith 
chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be the impedance seen 
at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer diameter of the 
Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down 
the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength around the Smith chart's 
outer scale which corresponds to going 180 degrees around the chart (the point 
opposite of the input impedance on the circle you drew). If you go a half wave 
down the feed line then you go 360 degrees around the circle that intersects 
the feed point impedance, in other words you return to where you started.

Greg
On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:

> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many years
> I have done just that with limited success.  
> 
> 
> 
> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW
> Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the
> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi at a
> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the building
> and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that particular time in
> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole was cut
> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut
> to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In that way any
> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in the
> building a couple bars and made usage possible.
> 
> 
> 
> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a bowl
> and couldn’t see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.  Cell
> phones don’t work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture which has a
> hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my tower.
> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel
> pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the
> entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.
> 
> 
> 
> We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a
> short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼ wave
> again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the campground.
> It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn’t work most of the time
> before.
> 
> 
> 
> If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with
> minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I would be
> curious to see the results as I haven’t done it with frequencies over 800
> MHz.  I wouldn’t look for any magic results but reasonable results if your
> engineering is sound.
> 
> 
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Gilchrist
> 
> Disruptive Technologist
> 
> Advanced Wireless Express
> 
> P.O. Box 255
> 
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 
> Mike's
> <http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h
> tml>  Weekly Column
> 
> 239.770.6203
> 
> m...@aweiowa.com
> 
> 
> 
>  _  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
> 
> 
> 
> For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top
> repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more
> than enough to prevent the link from working.
> 
> Greg Ihnen wrote: 
> 
> Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to
> communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where
> winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances
> (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs.
> But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to f

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mike]

The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many years
I have done just that with limited success.  

 

The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW
Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the
techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi at a
known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the building
and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that particular time in
my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole was cut
very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut
to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In that way any
matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in the
building a couple bars and made usage possible.

 

The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a bowl
and couldn’t see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.  Cell
phones don’t work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture which has a
hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my tower.
They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel
pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the
entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.

 

We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a
short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼ wave
again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the campground.
It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn’t work most of the time
before.

 

If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with
minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I would be
curious to see the results as I haven’t done it with frequencies over 800
MHz.  I wouldn’t look for any magic results but reasonable results if your
engineering is sound.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

Mike

 

Mike Gilchrist

Disruptive Technologist

Advanced Wireless Express

P.O. Box 255

Toledo, IA   52342

Mike's
<http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h
tml>  Weekly Column

239.770.6203

m...@aweiowa.com

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 

For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top
repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more
than enough to prevent the link from working.

Greg Ihnen wrote: 

Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to
communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where
winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances
(less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs.
But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate
communications.
 
Greg
 
On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
 
  

Garbage..
 
Let's say optimum consideration here...
 
Present RSL  -68 db Subtract cable loss  -2 dB  = -70  Add +24 db 
for the Grid  =  -46 
 
Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db
 
Soo... 
 
If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will 
give you a -130 dB.
 
I don't think that will work..
 
Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive 
antenna.  Like -20dB
 
-B-
 
 
 
 
Steve Barnes wrote:


Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This
sounds WAY to simple.  
 
A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged
into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal
would you have on the back side at the house?
 
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
 
One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the
two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on
a remote location.
 
(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
 
 
Rubens
 
 
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  <mailto:st...@pcswin.com>
 wrote:
 
  

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
 
I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Matt Jenkins]

I too am a really big fan of the Deliberant AP duo and Quads. They have 
new CPE's that are low priced and compact like the Ubnt ones.

On 06/07/2010 07:35 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking
> and wireless at all.  It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too
> if you like that route.  I highly recommend it.  So much easier than putting
> two radios up.  We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace
> ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could
> not be happier at the moment.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jack Unger]

For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical
mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from
BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working.

Greg Ihnen wrote:

  Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs. But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate communications.

Greg

On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:

  
  
Garbage..

Let's say optimum consideration here...

Present RSL  -68 db Subtract cable loss  -2 dB  = -70  Add +24 db 
for the Grid  =  -46 

Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db

Soo... 

If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will 
give you a -130 dB.

I don't think that will work..

Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive 
antenna.  Like -20dB

-B-




Steve Barnes wrote:


  Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This sounds WAY to simple.  

A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house?

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location.

(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)


Rubens


On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

  
  
I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Greg Ihnen]

Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to 
communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where 
winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances 
(less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs. But 
it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate 
communications.

Greg

On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:

> Garbage..
> 
> Let's say optimum consideration here...
> 
> Present RSL  -68 db Subtract cable loss  -2 dB  = -70  Add +24 db 
> for the Grid  =  -46 
> 
> Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db
> 
> Soo... 
> 
> If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will 
> give you a -130 dB.
> 
> I don't think that will work..
> 
> Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive 
> antenna.  Like -20dB
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
>> sounds WAY to simple.  
>> 
>> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
>> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
>> would you have on the back side at the house?
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>> 
>> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
>> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
>> a remote location.
>> 
>> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>> 
>> 
>> Rubens
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet 
>>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>> 
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
>>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>> 
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>> 
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>> 
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Bob Moldashel]

5/100 ths of a mile puts it at -100dB

That's about 250' from the antenna.

-B-



Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>   
>> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
>> sounds WAY to simple.
>> 
>
>
> Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual
> chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief description
> of them in Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater
>
>   
>> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
>> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
>> would you have on the back side at the house?
>> 
>
> Without knowing the frequency it's hard to say, but you can apply the
> usual link budget calculations to get an idea. Depending on the
> antenna radiation patterns the final result can be different of the
> simple link budget (either better due to coupling or worse due to
> phase distortion).  I would include some vertical separation on the
> tower if possible.
>
> Gut feeling: 1/4 mile is short enough for this to work.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
>
>   
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
>> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
>> a remote location.
>>
>> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet 
>>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
>>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Rubens Kuhl]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
> sounds WAY to simple.


Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual
chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief description
of them in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater

> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
> would you have on the back side at the house?

Without knowing the frequency it's hard to say, but you can apply the
usual link budget calculations to get an idea. Depending on the
antenna radiation patterns the final result can be different of the
simple link budget (either better due to coupling or worse due to
phase distortion).  I would include some vertical separation on the
tower if possible.

Gut feeling: 1/4 mile is short enough for this to work.


Rubens




>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
> a remote location.
>
> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

Or a 60db+ dish!

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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
> Garbage..
>
> Let's say optimum consideration here...
>
> Present RSL  -68 db Subtract cable loss  -2 dB  = -70  Add +24 db
> for the Grid  =  -46
>
> Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db
>
> Soo...
>
> If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will
> give you a -130 dB.
>
> I don't think that will work..
>
> Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive
> antenna.  Like -20dB
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
>> sounds WAY to simple.
>>
>> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
>> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
>> would you have on the back side at the house?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
>> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
>> a remote location.
>>
>> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet 
>>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
>>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Bob Moldashel]

Garbage..

Let's say optimum consideration here...

Present RSL  -68 db Subtract cable loss  -2 dB  = -70  Add +24 db 
for the Grid  =  -46 

Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db

Soo... 

If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will 
give you a -130 dB.

I don't think that will work..

Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive 
antenna.  Like -20dB

-B-




Steve Barnes wrote:
> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
> sounds WAY to simple.  
>
> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
> would you have on the back side at the house?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
> a remote location.
>
> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>   
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

If you're at -68, subtract ~2db for the cables/connectors, subtract
FSL (frequency, distance) and finally add the antenna gain at the
house.

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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
> sounds WAY to simple.
>
> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
> would you have on the back side at the house?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the 
> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on 
> a remote location.
>
> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This 
sounds WAY to simple.  

A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged 
into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal 
would you have on the back side at the house?

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two 
dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a 
remote location.

(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)


Rubens


On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
> POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Rubens Kuhl]

One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable
between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no
power to supply on a remote location.

(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)


Rubens


On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
> POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Okay.. you folks made me get up, open a brand new box of Rocket M2

Sorry to share with you NO 2nd Ethernet Port on Rocket M2... (Data 
Sheets are in Error).

Only the NanoStations M both 2.4 & 5  have 2nd Ethernet Ports.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
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Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 6/7/2010 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Datasheets...
>
> 2.4 does
>
> 5 and 3.65 do NOT
>
> http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm
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> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
>
>> Nope Nanos have second Eth.
>> Rockets only have USB port as port2.
>> Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the
>> application.
>> If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jerry Richardson"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>>
>>  
>>> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I
>>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>>
>>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>>> TR-6000 that has
>>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower
>>> with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
>>> not
>>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Tom DeReggi]

My bad, for reading bottom up.

So I now see the Rocketm 2.4 does have 2 ethernet ports.

So for the golden question What is the logic behind that Ubiquiti 
decission?

Why are they doing USB on one and Eth on the other?



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


2.4 does

5 and 3.65 do NOT

http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Philip Dorr
 wrote:
> since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
> they added second ethernet port.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I 
>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I 
>> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>> TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower 
>> with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that 
>> not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

Datasheets...

2.4 does

5 and 3.65 do NOT

http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm

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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Nope Nanos have second Eth.
> Rockets only have USB port as port2.
> Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the
> application.
> If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
>
>> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I
>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I
>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>> TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower
>> with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
>> not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Tom DeReggi]

Nope Nanos have second Eth.
Rockets only have USB port as port2.
Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the 
application.
If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
> TR-6000 that has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower 
> with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
> not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jason Hensley]

We went LLC taxed as an S Corp not so much for tax reasons as we did legal
reasons.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen
people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not
allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they
do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08 AM, RickG  wrote:
> Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Steve:
>>
>> I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below,
but here's a try.
>>
>> Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the
Backhaul.  The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
>> Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.
>>
>> MSRP
>> 2 x Nano's = $160
>>
>> 2x R52 radios = $80
>> 1 x RB/433 = $99
>> $180
>>
>> With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive
even more.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was
100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1
Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through
POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jeromie Reeves]

That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen
people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not
allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they
do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08 AM, RickG  wrote:
> Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Steve:
>>
>> I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but 
>> here's a try.
>>
>> Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul.  
>> The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
>> Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.
>>
>> MSRP
>> 2 x Nano's = $160
>>
>> 2x R52 radios = $80
>> 1 x RB/433 = $99
>> $180
>>
>> With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive 
>> even more.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet 
>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
>> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[RickG]

Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Steve:
>
> I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but 
> here's a try.
>
> Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul.  
> The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
> Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.
>
> MSRP
> 2 x Nano's = $160
>
> 2x R52 radios = $80
> 1 x RB/433 = $99
> $180
>
> With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even 
> more.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
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> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up 
> the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
> not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jeromie Reeves]

That is nice to know, I never looked at the 2.4 rocket as I had no
plans to use it. Now, mmm, for some very rural links that might do.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> 2.4 does
>
> 5 and 3.65 do NOT
>
> http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Philip Dorr
>  wrote:
>> since when?  I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
>> they added second ethernet port.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
>>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>>
>>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>>> TR-6000 that has
>>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

2.4 does

5 and 3.65 do NOT

http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Philip Dorr
 wrote:
> since when?  I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
> they added second ethernet port.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

since when?  I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
they added second ethernet port.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
> POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jerry Richardson]

UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
want to do is learn another radio system. 

Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle. 


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Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 
2 LMR cables.

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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jason Hensley]

It's a custom skin version of the Wilibox software.  Not flex-based like the
CPE's.  Don't know much more than that. 




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units

now?

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Hensley" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


> There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know 
> networking
> and wireless at all.  It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access 
> too
> if you like that route.  I highly recommend it.  So much easier than 
> putting
> two radios up.  We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace
> ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could
> not be happier at the moment.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
> really
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
> have
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 
> 100%
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that 
> has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower 
> with
> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
> not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Tom DeReggi]

So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units 
now?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Hensley" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


> There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know 
> networking
> and wireless at all.  It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access 
> too
> if you like that route.  I highly recommend it.  So much easier than 
> putting
> two radios up.  We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace
> ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could
> not be happier at the moment.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
> really
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
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> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
> have
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 
> 100%
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that 
> has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower 
> with
> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that 
> not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
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> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

John Dude you got some issues.  Look below to see what we get.

Steve Barnes
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

.e ww.sa xs,cssx. Z. 

Josh Luthman  wrote:

>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>>pass through POE?
>
>Not to my knowledge.
>
>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do 
>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
>continue that counts.”
>--- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where 
>> I have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my 
>> wisp I was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE 
>> connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is 
>> that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through 
>> POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[John Thomas]

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Josh Luthman  wrote:

>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>>pass through POE?
>
>Not to my knowledge.
>
>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>continue that counts.”
>--- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

Oh...thanks for the reminder...

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> I meant to just say bullet's not Loco's. It's Monday...lol.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes.
>
> What's wrong with the Loco antennas?  They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and 5Ghz (I 
> think).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue 
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Thomas  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>
>>>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet 
>>>>that pass through POE?
>>>
>>>Not to my knowledge.
>>>
>>>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
>>>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>>>
>>>Josh Luthman
>>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>1100 Wayne St
>>>Suite 1337
>>>Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>>continue that counts."
>>>--- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
>>>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>>>
>>>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>>
>>>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>>
>>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation
>>>> where I have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I
>>>> started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a
>>>> CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>>>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower 
>>>> with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>>
>>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is
>>>> that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass 
>>>> through POE?
>>>>
>>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>>
>>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Chuck Hogg]

I meant to just say bullet's not Loco's. It's Monday...lol.


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502-722-9292
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes.

What's wrong with the Loco antennas?  They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and 5Ghz (I 
think).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that 
counts."
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Thomas  wrote:
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet 
>>>that pass through POE?
>>
>>Not to my knowledge.
>>
>>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do 
>>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
>>continue that counts."
>>--- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
>>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>>
>>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation 
>>> where I have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I 
>>> started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a 
>>> CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is 
>>> that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through 
>>> POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes.

What's wrong with the Loco antennas?  They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and
5Ghz (I think).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Thomas  wrote:
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet 
>>>that pass through POE?
>>
>>Not to my knowledge.
>>
>>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
>>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>continue that counts.”
>>--- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I 
>>> really want to do is learn another radio system.
>>>
>>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>>
>>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I 
>>> have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I 
>>> was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a 
>>> TR-6000 that has
>>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>>
>>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>>
>>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>>
>>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[John Thomas]

Josh Luthman  wrote:

>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>>pass through POE?
>
>Not to my knowledge.
>
>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>continue that counts.”
>--- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[John Thomas]

Josh Luthman  wrote:

>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>>pass through POE?
>
>Not to my knowledge.
>
>I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
>tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
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>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Chuck Hogg]

Well, if you are doing the Loco station/Bullet, you'll need antennas
too...that's why I didn't put them on there.

Regards,
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Steve:

I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below,
but here's a try.

Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the
Backhaul.  The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.

MSRP
2 x Nano's = $160

2x R52 radios = $80
1 x RB/433 = $99
$180

With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive
even more.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I
was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1
Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in
between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through
POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mike]

Whatever works for you Steve.  Deliberant has a gui and I use them in
conjunction with MT too.  Learning curve is 1/2 hour -- the gui is
intuitive.  What I really like about them is any of the radios can do
anything with a firmware flash.  APs can be CPE, CPE APs et al.  The DUO
would fit your specs perfectly.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really
want to do is learn another radio system. 

Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle. 


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Steve:

I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but 
here's a try.

Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul.  The 
Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.

MSRP
2 x Nano's = $160

2x R52 radios = $80
1 x RB/433 = $99
$180

With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even 
more.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up 
the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 
2 LMR cables.

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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jason Hensley]

There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking
and wireless at all.  It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too
if you like that route.  I highly recommend it.  So much easier than putting
two radios up.  We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace
ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could
not be happier at the moment. 




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really
want to do is learn another radio system. 

Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle. 


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Chuck Hogg]

Steve:

I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below,
but here's a try.

Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the
Backhaul.  The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet.  Choose your antennas.

MSRP
2 x Nano's = $160

2x R52 radios = $80
1 x RB/433 = $99
$180

With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive
even more.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
have one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I
was 100% Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1
Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in
between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that
not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through
POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jeromie Reeves]

The Ubnt Nano M's can pass power to the 2nd port. I have a number of
them out there. For the most part, I love it. I have one that is
acting up, but that is due to a lost password (or more likely a fat
fingered one)

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
>>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>>pass through POE?
>
> Not to my knowledge.
>
> I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
> tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Troy, OH 45373
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> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
>> want to do is learn another radio system.
>>
>> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>>
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
>> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
>> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
>> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
>> a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Josh Luthman]

>Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
>pass through POE?

Not to my knowledge.

I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.

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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
> POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
want to do is learn another radio system. 

Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 
2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Mike]

Steve, I have been having very good luck with the new generation of
Deliberant radios.  http://deliberant.com/landing/deliberant_products.aspx

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Jason Hensley]

Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with
a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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[WISPA] Repeater

[Steve Barnes]

I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 
Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE 
at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not 
many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

How does everyone you get around this?  

Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 
2 LMR cables.

Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater pictures....

[jp]

My definition of remote is that you can't drive there, or construction vehicles 
can't drive 
there most of the time.

As far as concrete versus drilling versus non-pen, it's a matter of what you 
can get to that 
remote location. Concrete will require drilling if you want to do it right and 
attach rebar 
to the foundation ledge. Lots of concrete will require a concrete truck and/or 
pumper which 
might not be feasible. If you readi-mix it yourself keep in mind a yard of 
concrete is 
appromximately a pallete of 80 lbs bags and weight about 3000 lbs, and you'll 
need water and 
lots of time and muscle. Non-pen will probably not stay in place over the long 
term. 

If it's strong rock, you can drill in and epoxy footlong galvanized eyebolts or 
other pins to 
secure the masts. You'd need a generator for the hammer drill and some 
epoxy&hardener. I've 
seen engineered plans for windmill masts to be pinned in with 6" pins, but I'd 
use a foot of 
depth personally.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 09:23:22AM -0700, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> I am looking for pictures of remote rocky outcrop repeaters. I have the 
> opportunity to 
> stick a repeater on a very remote and small rocky outcrop.
> 
> I am looking at placing 3 16-20 foot tilt-over masts at this location to 
> service a large 
> swath of customers. My biggest question is anchoring (big glob of concrete on 
> the ground vs 
> drilling vs 'non-penetrating roof mount' with lots of cinder blocks etc)
>  
> What have you seen, what have you used etc...
> 
> I comprehend best with pictures but any sort of explainations would be good 
> too. 
> 
> If off-list works best then I'll post a summary to the list when all is said 
> and done.
> 
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> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater pictures....

[David Peterson]

Anything within arms length puts you at risk for late nite or even day time
troubles.  The safest would be a small tower with anti-climb measures in
place.

David
On 9/11/08 12:58 PM, "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ryan,
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> Non-pen roof mount with a lot of cinder blocks will make it real easy
> for your site to be "re-configured" at 3 AM by unknown persons.
> 
> jack
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> D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>> I am looking for pictures of remote rocky outcrop repeaters. I have the
>> opportunity to stick a repeater on a very remote and small rocky outcrop.
>> 
>> I am looking at placing 3 16-20 foot tilt-over masts at this location to
>> service a large swath of customers. My biggest question is anchoring (big
>> glob of concrete on the ground vs drilling vs 'non-penetrating roof mount'
>> with lots of cinder blocks etc)
>>  
>> What have you seen, what have you used etc...
>> 
>> I comprehend best with pictures but any sort of explainations would be good
>> too. 
>> 
>> If off-list works best then I'll post a summary to the list when all is said
>> and done.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater pictures....

[Jack Unger]

Ryan,

Non-pen roof mount with a lot of cinder blocks will make it real easy 
for your site to be "re-configured" at 3 AM by unknown persons.

jack


D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> I am looking for pictures of remote rocky outcrop repeaters. I have the 
> opportunity to stick a repeater on a very remote and small rocky outcrop.
>
> I am looking at placing 3 16-20 foot tilt-over masts at this location to 
> service a large swath of customers. My biggest question is anchoring (big 
> glob of concrete on the ground vs drilling vs 'non-penetrating roof mount' 
> with lots of cinder blocks etc)
>  
> What have you seen, what have you used etc...
>
> I comprehend best with pictures but any sort of explainations would be good 
> too. 
>
> If off-list works best then I'll post a summary to the list when all is said 
> and done.
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[WISPA] Repeater pictures....

[D. Ryan Spott]

I am looking for pictures of remote rocky outcrop repeaters. I have the 
opportunity to stick a repeater on a very remote and small rocky outcrop.

I am looking at placing 3 16-20 foot tilt-over masts at this location to 
service a large swath of customers. My biggest question is anchoring (big glob 
of concrete on the ground vs drilling vs 'non-penetrating roof mount' with lots 
of cinder blocks etc)
 
What have you seen, what have you used etc...

I comprehend best with pictures but any sort of explainations would be good 
too. 

If off-list works best then I'll post a summary to the list when all is said 
and done.


Thanks!

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