[WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Adam Greene]

This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, 
just tell me to check the archives ...

Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference 
issues on our Alvarion & Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point 
links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz 
solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little 
less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even 
licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind 
of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process of having 
to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each time.

Thanks,
Adam



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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Adam Greene]

Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? 
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart 
shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty 
good, in my book

On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed,
> just tell me to check the archives ...
>
> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
> issues on our Alvarion&  Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz
> solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little
> less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even
> licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind
> of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process of having
> to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each time.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.

Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 
100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the 
same or cheaper.

I believe its 2 year warranty also.

-B-






On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty
> good, in my book
>
> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed,
>> just tell me to check the archives ...
>>
>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>> issues on our Alvarion&   Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz
>> solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little
>> less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even
>> licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind
>> of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process of having
>> to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each time.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.

Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the same 
or cheaper.

I believe its 2 year warranty also.

-B-






On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's 
> pretty good, in my book
>
> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if 
>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>
>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>> issues on our Alvarion&   Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a 
>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above 
>> (or even a little less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz 
>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and 
>> easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the 
>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>> time.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

Nice! Price?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

No.  Its unlicensed 24 Ghz.   Spec sheet attached


-B-




On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>
> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the same 
> or cheaper.
>
> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's 
>> pretty good, in my book
>>
>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if 
>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>
>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>> issues on our Alvarion&Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a 
>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above 
>>> (or even a little less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz 
>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough 
>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the 
>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

Street price is about $7500 with 1' antennas and 200 Mbps aggregate with 
power supplies.

About a 4 week lead time.

But 3 non-overlapping channels is the best



On 7/27/2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No.  Its unlicensed 24 Ghz.   Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the 
>> same or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Josh Luthman]

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with them?
On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the
same or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations
each time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

Anything from 1' on up.  It has same characteristics of 23 Ghz. Radio 
snaps on the back of the antenna.


Need to do the path analysis.  +10 dB tx  and - 66 dB threshold.

I would not do more than 2 miles with 2' but that's just me.



-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with 
them?


On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel

> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]

>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is 
the same or cheaper.

>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to 
point

>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth 
stations each time.

>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane 
for data...Not two.


-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with 
them?


On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel

> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]

>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is 
the same or cheaper.

>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to 
point

>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth 
stations each time.

>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

You can get similar unit from SAF, 350 Mbps FDX

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Street price is about $7500 with 1' antennas and 200 Mbps aggregate with power 
supplies.

About a 4 week lead time.

But 3 non-overlapping channels is the best



On 7/27/2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No.  Its unlicensed 24 Ghz.   Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the 
>> same or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Char
>>> t shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's 
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if 
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a 
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above 
>>>> (or even a little less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz 
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough 
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the 
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> -
>>>> -
>>>> ---
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Josh Luthman]

So no way for a 6 mile link even with 6 foot dishes?  No idea what to put in
a path calc without knowing gains of dishes.
On Jul 27, 2011 10:09 PM, "Bob Moldashel"  wrote:
> Anything from 1' on up. It has same characteristics of 23 Ghz. Radio
> snaps on the back of the antenna.
>
> Need to do the path analysis. +10 dB tx and - 66 dB threshold.
>
> I would not do more than 2 miles with 2' but that's just me.
>
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with
>> them?
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" > <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>> > Nice! Price?
>> >
>> > Gino A. Villarini
>> > g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> > 787.273.4143
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >
>> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>> >
>> >
>> > -B-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> 787.273.4143
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> >> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >>
>> >> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>> >>
>> >> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> >> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is
>> the same or cheaper.
>> >>
>> >> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>> >>
>> >> -B-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>> >>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>> >>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>> >>> pretty good, in my book
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>> >>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>> >>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to
>> point
>> >>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>> >>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>> >>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>> >>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>> >>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>> >>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth
>> stations each time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Adam
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> -
>> >>>> ---
>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> -
>> >>>> ---
>> >>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio is for 
Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for 
data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with them?
On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same 
>> or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> ---
>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>> 
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>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

6 miles go 18 or 24

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?


So no way for a 6 mile link even with 6 foot dishes?  No idea what to put in a 
path calc without knowing gains of dishes.
On Jul 27, 2011 10:09 PM, "Bob Moldashel" 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:
> Anything from 1' on up. It has same characteristics of 23 Ghz. Radio
> snaps on the back of the antenna.
>
> Need to do the path analysis. +10 dB tx and - 66 dB threshold.
>
> I would not do more than 2 miles with 2' but that's just me.
>
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with
>> them?
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>> wrote:
>> > Nice! Price?
>> >
>> > Gino A. Villarini
>> > g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> 
>> > <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> > 787.273.4143
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On 
>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >
>> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>> >
>> >
>> > -B-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> 
>> >> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> 787.273.4143
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> >> To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>> >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >>
>> >> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>> >>
>> >> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> >> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is
>> the same or cheaper.
>> >>
>> >> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>> >>
>> >> -B-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>> >>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>> >>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>> >>> pretty good, in my book
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>> >>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>> >>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to
>> point
>> >>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>> >>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do 

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

I can't say no way but I would not be comfortable with that distance.

I've never seen a 23 Ghz six foot dish

-B-




On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


So no way for a 6 mile link even with 6 foot dishes?  No idea what to 
put in a path calc without knowing gains of dishes.


On Jul 27, 2011 10:09 PM, "Bob Moldashel" <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:

> Anything from 1' on up. It has same characteristics of 23 Ghz. Radio
> snaps on the back of the antenna.
>
> Need to do the path analysis. +10 dB tx and - 66 dB threshold.
>
> I would not do more than 2 miles with 2' but that's just me.
>
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with
>> them?
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>> wrote:
>> > Nice! Price?
>> >
>> > Gino A. Villarini
>> > g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>

>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> > 787.273.4143
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>

>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel

>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >
>> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>> >
>> >
>> > -B-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>

>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> 787.273.4143
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]

>> >> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> >> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>> >>
>> >> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>> >>
>> >> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that 
will do

>> >> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is
>> the same or cheaper.
>> >>
>> >> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>> >>
>> >> -B-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>> >>> 
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart

>> >>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>> >>> pretty good, in my book
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>> >>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>> >>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent 
interference

>> >>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to
>> point
>> >>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>> >>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or 
above

>> >>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>> >>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>> &g

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

Exalt will have one in 6 months but the SAF won't work on 3 
non-overlapping channels.

How many non-overlapping channels on the 350 Mbps SAF?



On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> You can get similar unit from SAF, 350 Mbps FDX
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> Street price is about $7500 with 1' antennas and 200 Mbps aggregate with 
> power supplies.
>
> About a 4 week lead time.
>
> But 3 non-overlapping channels is the best
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Nice! Price?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> No.  Its unlicensed 24 Ghz.   Spec sheet attached
>>
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>>
>>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>>
>>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels.  The price is the 
>>> same or cheaper.
>>>
>>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Char
>>>> t shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>>
>>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>>> issues on our Alvarion&  Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to 
>>>>> point
>>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>>> (or even a little less).  For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> -
>>>>> -
>>>>> ---
>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>>> ---
>>>>> -
>>>>> -
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>>>
>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> -
>>>> --
>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>> 

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Bob Moldashel]

Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's why I 
said "I am told.."   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...


:-)



On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio 
is for Licensed  24 ?


Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity 
plane for data...Not two.


-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with 
them?


On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel

> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]

>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is 
the same or cheaper.

>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to 
point

>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth 
stations each time.

>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> ---
>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>
>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>>
>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -
>>> -
>>> --
>>> WIS

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Josh Luthman]

I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in
24 Ghz.  Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too.  Unless the
two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> **
> Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's why I said
> "I am told.."   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>  That’s weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol… I think this radio is
> for Licensed  24 ?
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> ** **
>
> Two more things...
>
> Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)
>
> And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane
> for data...Not two.
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
>
> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with
> them?
>
> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> > Nice! Price?
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > g...@aeronetpr.com
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > 787.273.4143
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >
> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
> >
> >
> > -B-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> g...@aeronetpr.com
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> 787.273.4143
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
> >> To: wireless@wispa.org
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>
> >> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
> >>
> >> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
> >> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the
> same or cheaper.
> >>
> >> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
> >>
> >> -B-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
> >>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
> >>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
> >>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
> >>> pretty good, in my book
> >>>
> >>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
> >>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
> >>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
> >>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to
> point
> >>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
> >>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
> >>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
> >>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
> >>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
> >>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations
> each time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Adam
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> -
> >>>> ---
> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
&g

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

SAF center freqs goes from 24170 to 24230, so you have 60 Mhz of Space for the 
TX channel . Using cross Pol and separation you "could" fit 3 50 mhz channels. 
But on the SAF you can adjust channel size from 20 mhz to 56 mhz... so that 
gives you some wiggle room... a 20 mhz channel would give you 126 Mbps Fdx @ 
256 qam

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:31 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's why I said "I 
am told.."   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...

:-)



On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio is for 
Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for 
data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with them?
On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same 
>> or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if
>>>> needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
>>>>
>>>> Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference
>>>> issues on our Alvarion& Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point
>>>> links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
>>>> non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above
>>>> (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz
>>>> frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
>>>> and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the
>>>> cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each 
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> ---
>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for 
almost two years on a three mile link.   It has been an outstanding 
piece of equipment in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, 
after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the 
cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our 
throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db 
of fade margin.We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages 
lasted more than five minutes.  I do wish that there was an option for a 
bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.


The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection 
that cost $500/month.   We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for 
itself in 16 months.  I think that is pretty useful!


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps 
radio in 24 Ghz.  Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, 
too.  Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate 
more bandwidth?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:


Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's
why I said "I am told.."   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...

:-)




On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
radio is for Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143 

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
polarity plane for data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do
with them?

On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
    > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
    <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that
will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The
price is the same or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>>
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>>> shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works,
that's
>>> pretty good, in my book
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>>> This question has probably been asked on this list before
... if
>>>> needed, just 

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Josh Luthman]

But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500.  A ptp230 or 250 could get
close.  Mikrotik could do that for probably 500.

Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget.
On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, "Matt Larsen - Lists"  wrote:
> I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for
> almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding
> piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago,
> after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the
> cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our
> throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db
> of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages
> lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a
> bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.
>
> The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection
> that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for
> itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful!
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps
>> radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz,
>> too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate
>> more bandwidth?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel > <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's
>> why I said "I am told.." Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
>>> radio is for Licensed 24 ?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> 787.273.4143 
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
>>> *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>>
>>> Two more things...
>>>
>>> Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-)
>>>
>>> And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
>>> polarity plane for data...Not two.
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do
>>> with them?
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" >> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>> > Nice! Price?
>>> >
>>> > Gino A. Villarini
>>> > g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> > 787.273.4143 
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
>>> > To: WISPA General List
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>> >
>>> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -B-
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>> >>
>>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> >> 787.273.4143 
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.or

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Cameron Crum]

I think Matt's advantage is the licensed freq. There is something to be said
for putting it up and forgetting it. With unlicensed BH you are always going
to be fighting the interference monster. I guess it depends on your budget
and time.

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500.  A ptp230 or 250 could get
> close.  Mikrotik could do that for probably 500.
>
> Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget.
> On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
> wrote:
> > I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for
> > almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding
> > piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago,
> > after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the
> > cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our
> > throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db
> > of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages
> > lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a
> > bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.
> >
> > The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection
> > that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for
> > itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful!
> >
> > Matt Larsen
> > vistabeam.com
> >
> > On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps
> >> radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz,
> >> too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate
> >> more bandwidth?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel  >> <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's
> >> why I said "I am told.." Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
> >>> radio is for Licensed 24 ?
> >>>
> >>> Gino A. Villarini
> >>>
> >>> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> >>>
> >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>>
> >>> 787.273.4143 
>
> >>>
> >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
> >>> *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>>
> >>> Two more things...
> >>>
> >>> Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-)
> >>>
> >>> And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
> >>> polarity plane for data...Not two.
> >>>
> >>> -B-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do
> >>> with them?
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini"  >>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> >>> > Nice! Price?
> >>> >
> >>> > Gino A. Villarini
> >>> > g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> >>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>> > 787.273.4143 
>
> >>> >
> >>> > -Original Message-
> >>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> >>> > To: WISPA General List
> >>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>> >
> &g

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Gino Villarini]

What antena size you have?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:27 AM, "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
mailto:li...@manageisp.com>> wrote:

I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for almost 
two years on a three mile link.   It has been an outstanding piece of equipment 
in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, after a discussion on 
list, we figured out that we did not have the cross-polarization set up 
correctly, so we fixed it and saw our throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full 
duplex along with another 15db of fade margin.We have had some occasional 
rain fade, but no outages lasted more than five minutes.  I do wish that there 
was an option for a bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very 
handy.

The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection that 
cost $500/month.   We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for itself in 
16 months.  I think that is pretty useful!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com<http://vistabeam.com>

On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in 24 
Ghz.  Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too.  Unless the two 
other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel 
<<mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>lakel...@gbcx.net<mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:
Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's why I said "I 
am told.."   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...

:-)




On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
That’s weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol… I think this radio is for 
Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
To: <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for 
data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do with them?
On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
<<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> 
wrote:
> Nice! Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
> No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
>
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> [mailto:<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
>> To: <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>>
>> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
>>
>> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do
>> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same 
>> or cheaper.
>>
>> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
>>> <http://www

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Me]

2' dishes

Matt Larsen

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Me]

24ghz is unlicensed.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
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24ghz is unlicensed.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Me
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  ** **
>
> 24ghz is unlicensed.
>
> *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
>
> -Original message-
>
> *From: *Cameron Crum *
> To: *WISPA General List *
> Sent: *Thu, Jul 28, 2011 14:02:52 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Why not? It has it places, if you need a short high capacity 1 mile link, why 
not go 24 ghz? Save yourself from FCC fees and you can move the link to anywhere

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:39 PM
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I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
To: WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

24ghz is unlicensed.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the 
licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using 
the unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you 
can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess you are pretty limited.


Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 
GHz 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming 
should be, well, rather fun...


But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably 
run afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a 
power level, but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for 
directivity, and the maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 
meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for converting that to 
ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which would 
mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)



Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:


There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed 
the other is not


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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)



Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> 
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
> ** **
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
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>  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)


Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  What about below$6k?
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
> not that much if I have to finance the link. 
>
> ** **
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
>  
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
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>  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

I don't think any unlicensed stuff you can put together will outperform a 
Dragonwave or SAF 24 ghz UL gear, this gear is same as licensed only works on 
UL bands...wire speed, latecy under 1ms Full duplex Same performance as a 
11,18 or 23 ghz unit

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing 
$6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get 
me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Chuck Hogg]

Depends though, a building may have a ton of unlic 2.4/5ghz equipment, and
nothing in the 24GHz space.  If you are shooting a link a half mile to a
mile, it works well for that.
Regards,

Chuck


On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
> link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>>  What about below$6k?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
>> not that much if I have to finance the link. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>>
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>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
>> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
>> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
>> wrote:
>>
>> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
>> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
>> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
>> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
>> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
>> rather fun...
>>
>> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
>> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
>> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
>> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
>> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
>> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
>> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
>> other is not
>>
>>  --
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jerry Richardson]

What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?



- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing 
$6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get 
me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Josh Luthman]

ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
wrote:
> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> What about below$6k?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well,
rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but
it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the
formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
(Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
other is not
>
> --
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> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
> +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jerry Richardson]

OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?


ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>  wrote:
> What about below$6k?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: 
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>  
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
> can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
> bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not 
> that much if I have to finance the link.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>  wrote:
> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: 
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>  
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain 
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short 
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com><mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com<mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>>>
>  wrote:
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft 
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well, 
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run 
> afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but 
> it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the 
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the 
> formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) 
> output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish. (Values 
> are from memory, not precise.)
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Josh Luthman]

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com><mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
>> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the
licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the
unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo
bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>>
>> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well,
rather fun...
>>
>> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but
it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the
formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Adam Greene]

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only 
need 50M FD at the moment ...


Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.

On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" <mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't 
any

>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com 
<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>> wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as 
well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have 
redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like 
that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>> wrote:

>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a 
bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range 
then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between 
$8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>> wrote:

>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Steve Barnes]

Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi<http://www.rcwifi.com/>

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aero

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/2/2011 11:35 AM, Adam Greene wrote:

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... 
only need 50M FD at the moment ...


The first thing that comes to mind is another question:  Where is the 
link, and what reliability do you need?  At that frequency you're 
subject to rain fade, so it depends on your rain zone.  It sounds 
like a stretch, but if it's not mission-critical, or has a diverse 
path, then it might be adequate.



Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>jrichard...@aircloud.com> wrote:

> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> 
wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform 
as well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could 
have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something 
like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
<<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>> 
wrote:

>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just 
a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s 
range then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference 
between $8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
<<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>> 
wrote:

>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly 
quickly 

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Adam, a SAF CFIP 106 could fit your needs too

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jerry Richardson]

24GHz @ 3 miles is not going to be stable unless is never rains

What about 5.4GHz?  Moto PTP500 Lite will do 52Mbps now, and 105Mbps later and 
is DFS2 compliant :-)

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Ohh yeah 3 miles for 24 ghz is on the edge I didn't catch that detail.  Go 
Radwin2000 certified for 5.4 ghz or a an80 in 3.65,

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

24GHz @ 3 miles is not going to be stable unless is never rains

What about 5.4GHz?  Moto PTP500 Lite will do 52Mbps now, and 105Mbps later and 
is DFS2 compliant :-)

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more 
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite 
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is 
>> not that

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Adam Greene]

Yeah, we demoed a Radwin unit few years ago and got good results. But we 
need something outside the 2GHz - 5GHz spectrum. We have a 5.4GHz - 
5.8GHz Mikrotik link there right now that is being beaten to death by 
interference.



On 8/2/2011 11:43 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Adam Greene

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 
3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...


Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and 
love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... 
only need 50M FD at the moment ...


Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.

On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" <mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't 
any

>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com 
<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>> wrote:

>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an 
unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as 
well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have 
redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like 
that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>> wrote:

>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>

>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum

>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a 
bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range 
then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between 
$8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link.

>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.co

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high interference, but if 
you want to go to a whole diff band, I would suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz 
link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65 Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, 
providing a solid 100 mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Yeah, we demoed a Radwin unit few years ago and got good results. But we need 
something outside the 2GHz - 5GHz spectrum. We have a 5.4GHz - 5.8GHz Mikrotik 
link there right now that is being beaten to death by interference.


On 8/2/2011 11:43 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
Radwin 2000c could easily do that for <$3K

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi<http://www.rcwifi.com/>

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile 
link. Not sure if it will reach that far ...

Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, 
but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at 
the moment ...

Thanks,
Adam


On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
> mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com><mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com<mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>>>
>  wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
>> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
>> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
>> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>>
>>  wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com><mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>>]
>>  On Behalf Of Cam

Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 
>boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>
>Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high 
>interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would 
>suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65 
>Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100 
>mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>

If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or 
three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of 
the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.

A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz 
unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band 
radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission 
critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave 
network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by 
weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up 
even as links fade.


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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very 
little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Content-Language: en-US
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>
>> boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>>
>> Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
>> interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
>> suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
>> Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
>> mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>>
> If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
> three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
> the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.
>
> A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
> unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
> radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
> critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
> network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
> weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
> even as links fade.
>
>
>--
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>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>+1 617 795 2701
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Randy Cosby]

I think you just jinxed that link!

On 8/2/2011 2:32 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
> little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Content-Language: en-US
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>
>>> boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>>>
>>> Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
>>> interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
>>> suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
>>> Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
>>> mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>>>
>> If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
>> three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
>> the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.
>>
>> A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
>> unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
>> radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
>> critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
>> network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
>> weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
>> even as links fade.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>> +1 617 795 2701
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jeremy Parr]

On 2 August 2011 16:32, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:

> I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
> little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.
>

Rain in the tropics and rain in the midwest are two *very* different things.



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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

The original question was asked by someone in upstate New York, far from 
the tropics last I checked.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/2/2011 5:25 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
On 2 August 2011 16:32, Matt Larsen - Lists > wrote:


I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.


Rain in the tropics and rain in the midwest are two *very* different 
things.





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