RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I got from eBay and the switch didn't care. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks HP also has a history of forced lock-in. Their switches specifically prevent you from using third-party SFPs. Imagine if they did this with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ http://www.networkworld.com/article/2889293/wireless/report-hp-to-buy-aruba-for-wireless-tech.html Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :) -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On 02/26/2015 11:23 AM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ http://www.networkworld.com/article/2889293/wireless/report-hp-to-buy-aruba-for-wireless-tech.html Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :) No, but I think he might be on mine now =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Cisco MSE Alternatives
We are using the MSEs almost exclusively for E911 for our handful of wireless VoIP phones. A secondary use for us is to aid in tracking stolen devices, though we've only recovered a handful of them. We aren't really doing anything with them other than that. Which makes me question why we are keeping them around, especially if there is some third party product out there that can do something similar. How about you? What are you getting from them? Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives Just out of curiosity and also someone who has an MSE. I'm wondering how you utilize the mse and the info you get from it? Is your network setup for location services? Anything with the new analytics stuff? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We need to upgrade our MSEs and I'm just curious if anyone knows if there are any third party alternative to the MSE. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Cisco MSE Alternatives
I'm very interested in how you use mse for e911. Did you develop something in house from the API From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:10 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We are using the MSEs almost exclusively for E911 for our handful of wireless VoIP phones. A secondary use for us is to aid in tracking stolen devices, though we've only recovered a handful of them. We aren't really doing anything with them other than that. Which makes me question why we are keeping them around, especially if there is some third party product out there that can do something similar. How about you? What are you getting from them? Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives Just out of curiosity and also someone who has an MSE. I'm wondering how you utilize the mse and the info you get from it? Is your network setup for location services? Anything with the new analytics stuff? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We need to upgrade our MSEs and I'm just curious if anyone knows if there are any third party alternative to the MSE. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: AirWave with Cisco 8510s
I certainly hope that it is supported by Airwave. We have been using Airwave for years and would like to continue if they will support current Cisco APs 7 controllers. We are planning to move from our WiSM2s to 8510 within a couple of months. I would certainly hate to have to abandon the airwave platform due to lack of support. And, I will also be moving up the from 7.6.120.0 to the latest 8 code about the same time. == -jcw From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Williams, Matthew [mwill...@kent.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:28 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] AirWave with Cisco 8510s Is anyone using AirWave to monitor Cisco 8510 controllers? We’re running a demo of AirWave, but it doesn’t appear to like our 8510s running 7.6.130. I’ve been told anecdotally that it works just fine on 7.6, but we can’t get it to behave. Thanks in advance for any insights. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 *jcoeho...@york.edu jcoeho...@york.edu* The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Carter tcar...@austincollege.edu wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [image: AusColl_Logo_Email] *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey Sessler *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:59 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. http://www.educause.edu/groups/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [AusColl_Logo_Email] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:59 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edumailto:b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.http://www.educause.edu/groups/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
But at the time, HP had the bigger market share compared to 3Com already. This time Aruba is the much bigger market share. And that was like 2-3 HP CEOs ago. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [AusColl_Logo_Email] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel jcoeho...@york.edu wrote: I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? HP doesn't have a good track record for integrating well with the products it acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few years of the HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying Aruba in favor of Ruckus. :) Ray ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
HP already acquired Colubris back in 2008…they have Wi-Fi. I would say that it is the entire ecosystem that they care about! (Airwave, ClearPass, ….) Could be exciting for the switch business too (HP switches are affordable…if you add the Aruba software it becomes a nice integrated system) Compete with Cisco all the way! Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu wrote: On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
RE: AirWave with Cisco 8510s
I'm working with Aruba TAC to figure it out, but we have a lab 8510 on 8.0.100 and that one won't come up in AirWave either. I'll update the thread once some headway is made. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Watters, John Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AirWave with Cisco 8510s I certainly hope that it is supported by Airwave. We have been using Airwave for years and would like to continue if they will support current Cisco APs 7 controllers. We are planning to move from our WiSM2s to 8510 within a couple of months. I would certainly hate to have to abandon the airwave platform due to lack of support. And, I will also be moving up the from 7.6.120.0 to the latest 8 code about the same time. == -jcw From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Williams, Matthew [mwill...@kent.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:28 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] AirWave with Cisco 8510s Is anyone using AirWave to monitor Cisco 8510 controllers? We're running a demo of AirWave, but it doesn't appear to like our 8510s running 7.6.130. I've been told anecdotally that it works just fine on 7.6, but we can't get it to behave. Thanks in advance for any insights. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Cisco MSE Alternatives
We've created an event definition in Prime and tied those definitions to our MSEs so that when a location change is recorded, a TRAP is sent to our E911 service. Everything we've done is out-of-the-box capability in Prime and the MSEs that our E911 platform can integrate with. However, I have no idea what the E911 folks are doing on their end to enable this sorcery. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:09 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives I'm very interested in how you use mse for e911. Did you develop something in house from the API From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:10 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We are using the MSEs almost exclusively for E911 for our handful of wireless VoIP phones. A secondary use for us is to aid in tracking stolen devices, though we've only recovered a handful of them. We aren't really doing anything with them other than that. Which makes me question why we are keeping them around, especially if there is some third party product out there that can do something similar. How about you? What are you getting from them? Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives Just out of curiosity and also someone who has an MSE. I'm wondering how you utilize the mse and the info you get from it? Is your network setup for location services? Anything with the new analytics stuff? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We need to upgrade our MSEs and I'm just curious if anyone knows if there are any third party alternative to the MSE. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Cisco MSE Alternatives
I'm very interested in discussing this possibly with you and e911 folks. I also help manage voip network here at uofl and with that the e911 system too. Would you email off list to discuss some of the details? trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu Thanks Trent From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:38 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We've created an event definition in Prime and tied those definitions to our MSEs so that when a location change is recorded, a TRAP is sent to our E911 service. Everything we've done is out-of-the-box capability in Prime and the MSEs that our E911 platform can integrate with. However, I have no idea what the E911 folks are doing on their end to enable this sorcery. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:09 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives I'm very interested in how you use mse for e911. Did you develop something in house from the API From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:10 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We are using the MSEs almost exclusively for E911 for our handful of wireless VoIP phones. A secondary use for us is to aid in tracking stolen devices, though we've only recovered a handful of them. We aren't really doing anything with them other than that. Which makes me question why we are keeping them around, especially if there is some third party product out there that can do something similar. How about you? What are you getting from them? Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives Just out of curiosity and also someone who has an MSE. I'm wondering how you utilize the mse and the info you get from it? Is your network setup for location services? Anything with the new analytics stuff? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco MSE Alternatives We need to upgrade our MSEs and I'm just curious if anyone knows if there are any third party alternative to the MSE. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Yeah, same here! (the best of breed opinion anyway, not a CIO...) There are few things quite as frustrating as seeing a vendor starve your favorite product line of development resources solely because some other 800lb gorilla customer is dumping truckloads of cash in a different one, or because adding feature X to product Z is against internal policy because feature X is for carriers and product Z belongs to the enterprise group. A true multi vendor best of breed approach at least gives you a better chance of having the company better focused on a solution to the problem you're looking for, rather than trying to make compromises to satisfy all of their markets at once. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 02/26/2015 04:47 PM, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I don't know that I agree with converged campus either, but I have known CIOs who want one neck to wring when there are problems or fall for the it will all work together seamlessly pitch. I just don't want to assume that this will ruin Aruba, and looking at their financials, it might help. I see lots of losses on Aruba's income statements (although a small income this last quarter). Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:48 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
HP also has a history of forced lock-in. Their switches specifically prevent you from using third-party SFPs. Imagine if they did this with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] LTE can mooch off of Wi-Fi spectrum with new Qualcomm chipset | PCWorld
I was wondering how long this would take to make the list. I just sent an email about this to a colleague, so I happen to have an opinion at the ready. -- -- --- There are two reasons I don't expect this to be a problem. First is business models. Nobody chooses their university because of the Wi-Fi performance, but people choose their wireless service provider (WSP) based on network performance. As such, network performance is likely more important to WSPs than it is to us. Interference is inherently mutual, so WSP's don't want to be in the same band with us any more than we want to be in the same band with them. Second, is path loss. 5GHz signal attenuates quickly in free space, and even more quickly through heavy obstacles, such as exterior walls of buildings. If you consider these two factors, then WSP's can't make wide use of LTE-U for pervasive coverage because it's not cost effective, and they can't use it in close proximity to Wi-Fi because it's unreliable. Why then are they expanding in this direction? For use in small cells to cover a high-density areas that the macro network has trouble serving. Right now, small cells can be a challenge to deploy where there is already a dense macro network, because they have to use the same licensed bands for both technologies. If all available carriers in an area are already used, it's difficult to add capacity because of increased interference. Using unlicensed spectrum avoids these problem. Also, the areas where they typically install these small cells don't often have strong Wi-Fi coverage, and if they do, only one or two of the many available channels are utilized. This, combined with the high path loss between the outdoor coverage area and nearby indoor coverage means there will usually be some fairly clean channels to use for these small cells. If we ever choose to provide pervasive outdoor Wi-Fi coverage, this could be an issue, but I suspect we'll never do that. Almost everybody has a data plan, and outdoor LTE coverage is pretty good and improving all the time. We should provide Wi-Fi for indoor use, and let people use the cell network outside. We would do much better to provide site-licensed VPN software for smart phones and tablets at $100K annually rather than $5M per year to provide outdoor Wi-Fi that stops at the edge of campus. If things play out this way, using 5GHz for LTE instead of Wi-Fi would be to everybody's advantage. One reason Wi-Fi doesn't work optimally is because much end user equipment (EUE) behaves badly and we attempt to accommodate all EUE. The WSP's can make far better use of the spectrum because they only allow EUE that's built to their specifications. -- -- - Let the debate begin! Chuck Enfield Manager, Wireless Systems Engineering Telecommunications Networking Services The Pennsylvania State University 110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802 ph: 814.863.8715 fx: 814.865.3988 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trent Hurt Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:15 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] LTE can mooch off of Wi-Fi spectrum with new Qualcomm chipset | PCWorld http://www.pcworld.com/article/2889792/lte-can-mooch-off-of-wifi-spectrum- with-new-qualcomm-chipset.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
