Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Bruce Curtis]

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Mike King  wrote:
> 
> Been a long time since these type of questions came up. 
> Summary of Idea's I've heard over the years:
>   • Mounting the AP in-car, 
>   • Standard Ethernet but I think you'd probably be limited to 3 
> stories or so (and need special cable)
>   • DSL or LongReach ethernet to In-car, to AP in car
>   • Fiber to in-car
  
  Since there is usually AC power to the car for lights perhaps an ethernet 
over power 

http://www.cnet.com/topics/networking/best-networking-devices/power-line-adapters/

http://www.techhive.com/article/2868314/home-networking/the-essential-guide-to-buying-a-homeplug-ethernet-adapter-including-6-hands-on-reviews.html

Should only need a small AP since there will be a limited number of people and 
devices in the car and the AP RF power could be set low.

>   • Leaky coax the run of the shaft (Think tunnels, but vertical)
>   • Directional antenna from the bottom or the top
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:
> Hello to the excellent group.
>  
> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone is 
> rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
> car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from 
> hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, 
> etc.
>  
> Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
> low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
> doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing 
> differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and 
> why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.
>  
> Thanks-
>  
> Lee Badman
>  
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RE: Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

We are using Aruba RAP-3 APs in some of our highway coaches. The AP connects to 
the router built-in to the bus and uses LTE cellular for the backhaul.

It is so popular, there are constant data overage charges, though.

​

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IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions

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From: Daniel Wurst [mailto:wur...@denison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
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Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jake Snyder]

For mobile applications I've done both Cradlepoint and Cisco.  Cisco is nice 
because everyone knows how to manage Cisco Routers.  The Cradlepoint solution 
has some added benefits.  Cloud management is nice, as is being able to look at 
GPS data.  Also the "Wifi As WAN" feature on the Cradlepoint makes it an 
excellent candidate to offload video data via wifi when they are in the bus 
barn.

The other piece is Cradlepoint can support 2 sims in the IBR1100 and you can 
change carrier by downloading code.  They also have a second radio module so 
you can have two active carriers to keep people connected when one doesn't have 
service.

I've not played with the Aerohive solution, but I think they are Verizon only 
(can someone confirm?).

The other company to look at might be peplink.

Thanks
Jake Snyder
jsny...@compunet.biz
208-286-3015

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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Jeremy Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
> Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it 
> would work very well for you.  
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jeremy L. Gibbs
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Utica College IITS
> 
> T: (315) 223-2383
> F: (315) 792-3814
> E: jlgi...@utica.edu
> http://www.utica.edu
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:
>>  
>> 
>>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
>> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul 
>> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access 
>> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be 
>> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is 
>> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
>> between campuses.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
>> this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless 
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to 
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot 
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or 
>> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Daniel Wurst
>> 
>> Network Engineer II
>> 
>> Denison University
>> 
>> Fellows 003B
>> 
>> wur...@denison.edu
>> 
>> 740-587-6229
>> 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Smith, Todd]

I am not snicking, I think Aerohive equipment is pretty nice and I looked it 
when it was still in early beta.  I see them gaining more traction over the 
years since they seem to be do a good job at what they have focused on.

Todd

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Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 14:31
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it would 
work very well for you.


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jeremy Gibbs]

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it
would work very well for you.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
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Utica College IITS

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F: (315) 792-3814
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:

>
>
>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few
> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul
> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access
> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be
> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is
> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>
>
>
>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute
> commute between campuses.
>
>
>
>   Adam
>
>
>
> [image: Adam T Ferrero]
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
>
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
>
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Daniel Wurst
>
> Network Engineer II
>
> Denison University
>
> Fellows 003B
>
> wur...@denison.edu
>
> 740-587-6229
>
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Fwd: Wireless survey

[Alan H. Sutter '87]

Franklin & Marshall College is currently looking at upgrading its wireless
infrastructure and is soliciting information on other institution's
wireless environments. We will summarize the results out to those who
respond.  I also posted this request out to the Educause Netman list and
the CLAC list, so apologies for those getting this multiple times.


I've invited you to fill out the form *College and University
Wireless Survey*. To fill it out, visit:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1P2xqTcFBj-uLlWx2Gou-tnbHsSdp9mPoVHWxVKXi9oM/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link




-- 
*Alan Sutter*
CTO and Director of Technology Infrastructure
Franklin & Marshall College
P.O. Box 3003, Lancaster, PA  17603
717-291-3987

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Pete Hoffswell]

This is a great thread.

We had a conversation about this at EDUCAUSE National this year.  One of
the participants was having much success after a long bout of failures with
Boingo.  Apparently things were actually starting to happen with their
DAS.  This thread suggests otherwise.

Anyone have more news on Boingo DAS?

http://www.boingo.com/business-services/neutral-host-das/



-
Pete Hoffswell - Network Manager
pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu
http://www.davenport.edu


On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Smith, Todd  wrote:

> I am not familiar with MobileAccess VE but searching Cisco’s website seems
> to suggest that it is the Corning One solution which I have looked at.  The
> Corning One solution is a Passive Optical Network (PON) which has a headend
> box and each fiber pair runs throughout the facility until it reaches a
> beam-splitter which can be up to a 32 way split from a single pair.
>
>
>
> The individual split fibers run to “pods” which can house cellular
> equipment, Wi-Fi or even copper Ethernet drops.  The problem that I ran
> into was that it had very low port density and if I wanted PoE than I still
> had to install equipment at my IDF and run a hybrid coax-fiber cable to
> support 2-8 ports per pod.
>
>
>
> The fact that it was as expensive as a DAS that AT&T wasn’t going to
> support pretty much killed it here.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Curtis K. Larsen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 13:26
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution
>
>
>
> My understanding is that the carrier still supports the Cisco small cell
> solution.  In fact, only a carrier can purchase the modules, and right now
> only they decide if, when, and where to install the modules, and they
> control them.  All of that is fine by me, but it's just taking a long time
> to bring carriers on, and even when it does it's one carrier per module.
>
> Has anyone had any success with the MobileAccess VE (Cisco Partner)
> solution?  It was similar to the small cell module in that you could use
> the existing CAT5e/6 cable to the AP, but I think it would allow for more
> carriers, and maybe more control of when and where to put the VE "Access
> Pods".
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
> --
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Smith, Todd [
> todd.sm...@camc.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution
>
> I have used Wilson gear before and it really doesn’t work well here since
> there is little outdoor signal to amplify.  Wi-Fi calling might be the
> future but it still requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi network to work well and
> it requires handset support for it.  Both of those are issues not easily
> corrected.
>
>
>
> A small cell solution from someone, like Alcatel-Lucent or Cisco would
> provide 3G/4G signal wherever you need it without carrier support.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dexter Caldwell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:29
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution
>
>
>
> We’re just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive
> (
> http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
> 
> ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint
> buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can
> hit the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It’s been
> working well for us for the last year or two.
>
>
>
> Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular
> phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam
> seamlessly back and forth.   They’re a niche player, but I’ve used them
> personally and its’ been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the
> dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and
> my staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.
> T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know w

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Adam T Ferrero]

  We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul with 
an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access point that 
is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be Meru but I know 
Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is tunneled back encrypted 
through the controller.

  This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
between campuses.

  Adam

[Adam T  Ferrero]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

I am not familiar with MobileAccess VE but searching Cisco's website seems to 
suggest that it is the Corning One solution which I have looked at.  The 
Corning One solution is a Passive Optical Network (PON) which has a headend box 
and each fiber pair runs throughout the facility until it reaches a 
beam-splitter which can be up to a 32 way split from a single pair.

The individual split fibers run to "pods" which can house cellular equipment, 
Wi-Fi or even copper Ethernet drops.  The problem that I ran into was that it 
had very low port density and if I wanted PoE than I still had to install 
equipment at my IDF and run a hybrid coax-fiber cable to support 2-8 ports per 
pod.

The fact that it was as expensive as a DAS that AT&T wasn't going to support 
pretty much killed it here.

Todd

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 13:26
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

My understanding is that the carrier still supports the Cisco small cell 
solution.  In fact, only a carrier can purchase the modules, and right now only 
they decide if, when, and where to install the modules, and they control them.  
All of that is fine by me, but it's just taking a long time to bring carriers 
on, and even when it does it's one carrier per module.

Has anyone had any success with the MobileAccess VE (Cisco Partner) solution?  
It was similar to the small cell module in that you could use the existing 
CAT5e/6 cable to the AP, but I think it would allow for more carriers, and 
maybe more control of when and where to put the VE "Access Pods".


Thanks,

Curtis

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Smith, Todd 
[todd.sm...@camc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution
I have used Wilson gear before and it really doesn't work well here since there 
is little outdoor signal to amplify.  Wi-Fi calling might be the future but it 
still requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi network to work well and it requires handset 
support for it.  Both of those are issues not easily corrected.

A small cell solution from someone, like Alcatel-Lucent or Cisco would provide 
3G/4G signal wherever you need it without carrier support.

Todd

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:29
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

We're just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive ( 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
 ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint 
buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can hit 
the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It's been working 
well for us for the last year or two.

Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular 
phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam 
seamlessly back and forth.   They're a niche player, but I've used them 
personally and its' been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the 
dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and my 
staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.  
T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know we don't select 
people's carriers, but the point is that the technology is changing in ways 
that make a large DAS rollout or expensive mass deployment really unnecessary.


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Turner, Ryan H]

We didn’t deploy this on the athletic buses, but we did do something similar 
for a traveling science bus.  Rather than build the service into the bus, we 
built a portable suitcase (a pelican like case).  On the exterior we mounted a 
dual (diversity) enclosed antenna array complete with a GPS atenna.  That 
attached to a sierra wireless bridge inside of the unit.  Attached to the 
sierra wireless bridge was an Aruba Remote access point.  This was all powered 
through a 120V to 12V power supply.

We have been approached by another school to do something similar for a bus 
that will be used to evaluate rural patients.

I do have to ask the potentials customers if this expensive setup is really 
worth it.  They can use a MiFi and it work just fine.

The pros with our custom setup is:

1)  Higher performance through specialized antennas

2)  Seamless integration with the campus through the remote access point 
(no VPN connections required)

The cons are cost.  The unit I build runs around $2000.

Ryan H Turner
Senior Network Engineer
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599
+1 919 445 0113 Office
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:49 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had great 
success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer any 
questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst 
mailto:wur...@denison.edu>> wrote:
Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Britton Anderson]

Check with your constituents and see if there is a government contract with
the cellular providers for data services. I realize this may not help
Denison as a private institution, but there are unlimited data options that
are available for very reasonable prices that would be great for these
types of applications.



Britton Anderson  | Senior Network Communications
Specialist | University of Alaska  | 907.450.8250

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Barros, Jacob  wrote:

> We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
> great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
> any questions you have.
>
> http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/
>
> Jake
>
>
> Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
>> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>>
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>>
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this
>> or have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>>
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Wurst
>> Network Engineer II
>> Denison University
>> Fellows 003B
>> wur...@denison.edu
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Frank Sweetser]

I sent out a data sheet for the ethernet traveler cable that we used here 
earlier in the thread.  Feel free to ping me directly if it didn't come 
through for you.


Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu|  For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

On 11/18/2015 12:23 PM, Jason Watts wrote:

Our security installer uses coax to Ethernet converters for elevator IP cams
because there aren't usually Cat cables in the traveler cable bundle. We had
some solid-core installed along the traveler in a new building in 2010 and it
failed within a year due to the constant flexing. Though I'm sure something
must have been engineered by now to fit the bill.

I'd be curious to know if anyone has a spec for a traveler cable with Cat5 or
better built in.

--
Jason Watts


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Chris Adams (IT) mailto:chris.ad...@ung.edu>> wrote:


I have seen POE IP Cameras in (newer) elevators – I’m sure additional
ethernet drops could be included at the time of installation. Retrofitting
into existing elevators may be a more difficult task.

Thanks,

**

Chris Adams

Director, Network & Telecom Services

Division of Information Technology

University of North Georgia

E-Mail: chris.ad...@ung.edu  | Office: (706)
867-2891



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of "Sullivan, Don"
mailto:dsulli...@samford.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
"
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells
and Elevators

It’s a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I’m
wondering if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators
to allow for wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones
already required. To that point I wonder if it will eventually become part
of the local building codes.

*Don Sullivan*

*Network Administrator*

*205-726-2111*

*From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells
and Elevators

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I’m thinking opportunistically, like where a major
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There’s a lot of
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Sullivan, Don
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells
and Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your
email. J

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised
questions as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering
how we would implement something like this in our current
buildings/facilities would be a challenge and a potentially costly one.

*Don Sullivan*

*Network Administrator*

*205-726-2111*

*From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone
is rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in
each car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from
hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem
low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing
differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and
why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

*Lee Badman*| Network Architect

Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

*t*315.443.3003 *f* 315.443.4325 *e* lhbad...@syr.edu
*w* its.syr.edu 

*SYRACUSE UN

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Barros, Jacob]

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
any questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Daniel Wurst
> Network Engineer II
> Denison University
> Fellows 003B
> wur...@denison.edu
> 740-587-6229
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Dexter Caldwell]

I should technically qualify this by saying that the device below doesn’t 
actually amplify so much as replicate the outside quality signal of the antenna 
 so location choice is important.


Dexter Caldwell
Dir. Systems & Networks
Information Technology Services
Furman University
3300 Poinsett Hwy
Greenville, SC 29613
email: dexter.caldw...@furman.edu
office: 864-294-3566
facsimile: 864-294.3001



From: Dexter Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:29 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

We’re just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive ( 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
 ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint 
buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can hit 
the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It’s been working 
well for us for the last year or two.

Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular 
phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam 
seamlessly back and forth.   They’re a niche player, but I’ve used them 
personally and its’ been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the 
dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and my 
staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.  
T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know we don’t select 
people’s carriers, but the point is that the technology is changing in ways 
that make a large DAS rollout or expensive mass deployment really unnecessary.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, Todd
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:21 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

Here the relays do not work very well since it requires both the available 
signal to amplify and leak into the building and carrier participation.  I 
really believe that small cell technology is the answer for the foreseeable 
future since to properly handle Wi-Fi calling requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi 
network and plenty of internet bandwidth.  Obviously small cells do require 
internet bandwidth or leased lines back to carrier but still I don’t have to 
optimize my Wi-Fi for every single issue that a phone might bring.  My Wi-Fi 
network was designed for data not voice and it will take a redesign and a large 
amount of additional access points to put off voice-grade specs.

Todd





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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lawson Cassels
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:16
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

In talking with some of the cell carriers and a big cabling/infrastructure 
company in our area, it appears that DAS is dead. They are doing cellular relay 
systems now that work with repeaters to extend coverage from the roof into the 
core of a building, but the carriers don't seem really excited about that 
either. They are willing to go along with it, since it requires little on their 
part other than certifying your design. Minimum cost is probably around $15-20K 
and goes up as you want to cover larger areas within your building. Works with 
all carriers and all frequency bands since it's just re-broadcasting the 
spectrum.

I think WiFi calling is probably where this is headed though, with some of the 
lower quality carriers already enabling this "feature" to offload traffic from 
their networks. I'd focus your time on having an excellent WiFi network with 
the type of coverage needed for flawless roaming between APs.

Lawson Cassels

Network Engineer

Infrastructure, Operations, and Networking

Illinois State University

p: 309-438-4318


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Curtis K. Larsen]

My understanding is that the carrier still supports the Cisco small cell 
solution.  In fact, only a carrier can purchase the modules, and right now only 
they decide if, when, and where to install the modules, and they control them.  
All of that is fine by me, but it's just taking a long time to bring carriers 
on, and even when it does it's one carrier per module.

Has anyone had any success with the MobileAccess VE (Cisco Partner) solution?  
It was similar to the small cell module in that you could use the existing 
CAT5e/6 cable to the AP, but I think it would allow for more carriers, and 
maybe more control of when and where to put the VE "Access Pods".


Thanks,

Curtis


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Smith, Todd 
[todd.sm...@camc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

I have used Wilson gear before and it really doesn’t work well here since there 
is little outdoor signal to amplify.  Wi-Fi calling might be the future but it 
still requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi network to work well and it requires handset 
support for it.  Both of those are issues not easily corrected.

A small cell solution from someone, like Alcatel-Lucent or Cisco would provide 
3G/4G signal wherever you need it without carrier support.

Todd

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:29
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

We’re just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive ( 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
 ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint 
buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can hit 
the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It’s been working 
well for us for the last year or two.

Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular 
phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam 
seamlessly back and forth.   They’re a niche player, but I’ve used them 
personally and its’ been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the 
dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and my 
staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.  
T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know we don’t select 
people’s carriers, but the point is that the technology is changing in ways 
that make a large DAS rollout or expensive mass deployment really unnecessary.


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Ciesinski, Nick]

Daniel,

Several years back Cisco had a similar setup in some transportation busses for 
their Cisco Live conference to showcase some technology.  The devices would 
give wifi access to passengers over cellular when away from the conference 
center and when the bus got close it would switch over to the conference wifi 
for the backhaul.  They also had a small camera in the bus transmitting footage 
back to the demo booth.

They did this with Cisco 819 hardened routers.  Since then we have implemented 
a similar setup in our police squads.  While it works great the only concern I 
would have for a bus load of students is the speed of the cellular connection 
and carrier download caps and overage billing.

If you want to know more about what we did let me know.

Nick Ciesinski
University of Wisconsin - Whitewater

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Daniel Wurst 
mailto:wur...@denison.edu>> wrote:

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

I have used Wilson gear before and it really doesn’t work well here since there 
is little outdoor signal to amplify.  Wi-Fi calling might be the future but it 
still requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi network to work well and it requires handset 
support for it.  Both of those are issues not easily corrected.

A small cell solution from someone, like Alcatel-Lucent or Cisco would provide 
3G/4G signal wherever you need it without carrier support.

Todd

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:29
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

We’re just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive ( 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
 ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint 
buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can hit 
the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It’s been working 
well for us for the last year or two.

Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular 
phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam 
seamlessly back and forth.   They’re a niche player, but I’ve used them 
personally and its’ been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the 
dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and my 
staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.  
T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know we don’t select 
people’s carriers, but the point is that the technology is changing in ways 
that make a large DAS rollout or expensive mass deployment really unnecessary.


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Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Daniel Wurst]

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
spot that the students could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

-- 
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Smith, Todd]

Here our Safety office is working on a Risk Assessment document to present to 
the Fire Marshall for an exemption.  In our case, having caregivers been 
possibly out of communication is a patient safety issue and we are addressing 
it with a Risk Assessment document to install AP in the stairwells.

When we questioned our local Fire Marshall, “Has there been any reports of 
fires or safety issues from installing AP in a stairwell?  No, there have not.” 
 We understand that it is current code but our Patient safety risk is high 
enough that we will accept being cited if necessary and that has generally been 
sufficient to be granted an exception.

Todd Smith
Charleston Area Medical Center


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:30
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

At the University of Michigan we are in the midst of a large scale buildout.  
We currently are locating access points as close as possible to stairwells, but 
not in them because our fire marshall will not allow us to locate access points 
or antennas in the stairwells themselves.  WRT elevators, our concern is that 
having an AP roaming from floor to floor through the building will wreak havoc 
on the system.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lee H Badman 
mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote:
Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing 
differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e 
lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Dexter Caldwell]

We’re just doing local building cellular boosters.  Relatively inexpensive ( 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418307096&sr=8-1&keywords=wilson+cell+phone+booster
 ) and we do them on an as-needed basis usually by targeting high complaint 
buildings or areas.  Some have a limit on the type of carrier, but you can hit 
the most popular carrier in use and the complaints go away.   It’s been working 
well for us for the last year or two.

Also, companies like Republic Wireless are changing the game in cellular 
phones.  They only use cellular as a backup to wifi and the call can roam 
seamlessly back and forth.   They’re a niche player, but I’ve used them 
personally and its’ been great as an IT person to have cell coverage in the 
dungeons of our campus networks where to cellular coverage ever reached and my 
staff would have to come upstairs or outside just to use their phones.  
T-Mobile has been doing some of this as well.I know we don’t select 
people’s carriers, but the point is that the technology is changing in ways 
that make a large DAS rollout or expensive mass deployment really unnecessary.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, Todd
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

Here the relays do not work very well since it requires both the available 
signal to amplify and leak into the building and carrier participation.  I 
really believe that small cell technology is the answer for the foreseeable 
future since to properly handle Wi-Fi calling requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi 
network and plenty of internet bandwidth.  Obviously small cells do require 
internet bandwidth or leased lines back to carrier but still I don’t have to 
optimize my Wi-Fi for every single issue that a phone might bring.  My Wi-Fi 
network was designed for data not voice and it will take a redesign and a large 
amount of additional access points to put off voice-grade specs.

Todd





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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:16
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

In talking with some of the cell carriers and a big cabling/infrastructure 
company in our area, it appears that DAS is dead. They are doing cellular relay 
systems now that work with repeaters to extend coverage from the roof into the 
core of a building, but the carriers don't seem really excited about that 
either. They are willing to go along with it, since it requires little on their 
part other than certifying your design. Minimum cost is probably around $15-20K 
and goes up as you want to cover larger areas within your building. Works with 
all carriers and all frequency bands since it's just re-broadcasting the 
spectrum.

I think WiFi calling is probably where this is headed though, with some of the 
lower quality carriers already enabling this "feature" to offload traffic from 
their networks. I'd focus your time on having an excellent WiFi network with 
the type of coverage needed for flawless roaming between APs.

Lawson Cassels

Network Engineer

Infrastructure, Operations, and Networking

Illinois State University

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Jason Watts]

Our security installer uses coax to Ethernet converters for elevator IP cams 
because there aren't usually Cat cables in the traveler cable bundle. We had 
some solid-core installed along the traveler in a new building in 2010 and it 
failed within a year due to the constant flexing. Though I'm sure something 
must have been engineered by now to fit the bill. 

I'd be curious to know if anyone has a spec for a traveler cable with Cat5 or 
better built in.

-- 
Jason Watts


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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Chris Adams (IT)  wrote:
> 
> I have seen POE IP Cameras in (newer) elevators – I’m sure additional 
> ethernet drops could be included at the time of installation. Retrofitting 
> into existing elevators may be a more difficult task.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Chris Adams
>  
> Director, Network & Telecom Services
> Division of Information Technology
> University of North Georgia
> E-Mail: chris.ad...@ung.edu | Office: (706) 867-2891
> 
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of "Sullivan, Don" 
> 
> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM
> To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
> Elevators
> 
> It’s a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I’m 
> wondering if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators 
> to allow for wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones 
> already required. To that point I wonder if it will eventually become part of 
> the local building codes.
>  
> Don Sullivan
> Network Administrator
> 205-726-2111
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
> Elevators
>  
> Hi Don-
>  
> I agree on the costs. I’m thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
> re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There’s a lot of 
> technical  and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.
>  
> -Lee
>  
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
> Elevators
>  
> Lee,
>  
> Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
> email.  J
>  
> I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised 
> questions as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how 
> we would implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities 
> would be a challenge and a potentially costly one.
>  
> Don Sullivan
> Network Administrator
> 205-726-2111
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
> Elevators
>  
> Hello to the excellent group.
>  
> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone is 
> rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
> car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from 
> hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, 
> etc.
>  
> Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
> low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
> doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing 
> differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and 
> why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.
>  
> Thanks-
>  
> Lee Badman
>  
> Lee Badman | Network Architect
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.eduw its.syr.edu
> SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
> syr.edu
>  
>  
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RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

For the elevator, I was recently at one of the newer state-of-the-art Kaiser 
Hospitals here in California, and they have a AP on each floor, positioned at 
the ceiling and close to the entrance to the elevators. Coverage inside the 
elevator was great.

For stairwells, you probably need to consult local fire codes/laws.

Jeff

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:26 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Thomas Carter]

Our newest building, completed in 2013, has network drops in the stairwells, 
but a good fireproof caulking to seal the cabling seemed to satisfy the 
inspection. If you think about it, there are power cables for lights, low 
voltage cabling for fire alarms, etc in stairwells; why would an additional 
cat6 cable be special?

However, we did not actually place APs in the stairwells as we don't want to 
encourage them as a place for congregation - i.e. a student sitting on the 
stairs surfing the web. Realistically, is an always/everywhere connectivity too 
high of an expectation? I know of no phones in any stairwells on campus; where 
buildings drastically unsafe before people had cellphones? Just some of the 
things we considered.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager
Austin College



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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Manon Lessard
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:36 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hi group!


Back when we initially deployed I had discussions with the building guys, esp. 
the Elevator team. Back then, our main goal was seamless voice over wifi.
I was told that it was (at least in my province and country, Quebec, Canada) 
against Safety Code IV to put any such device in the "elevator pit" or on the 
cab itself.
As for the stairwells, apparently it was also against code since they must 
provide some fireproof barrier. Back then, mesh wasn't something considered so 
we took the best effort approach.
I'd be curious to see, either in the US or Canada, if it is allowed now. My 
info on the matter dates back 5+ years...

Looking fordward to the replies, it's a very interesting question!

Manon Lessard
Technicienne en développement de systèmes CCNP
Direction des technologies de l'information
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada

418 656-2131, poste 12853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
www.dti.ulaval.ca

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Sent: 18 novembre 2015 11:28
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

It's a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I'm wondering 
if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators to allow for 
wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones already required. To 
that point I wonder if it will eventually become part of the local building 
codes.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I'm thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There's a lot of 
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  :)

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN]

RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Manon Lessard]

Hi group!


Back when we initially deployed I had discussions with the building guys, esp. 
the Elevator team. Back then, our main goal was seamless voice over wifi.
I was told that it was (at least in my province and country, Quebec, Canada) 
against Safety Code IV to put any such device in the "elevator pit" or on the 
cab itself.
As for the stairwells, apparently it was also against code since they must 
provide some fireproof barrier. Back then, mesh wasn't something considered so 
we took the best effort approach.
I'd be curious to see, either in the US or Canada, if it is allowed now. My 
info on the matter dates back 5+ years...

Looking fordward to the replies, it's a very interesting question!

Manon Lessard
Technicienne en développement de systèmes CCNP
Direction des technologies de l'information
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada

418 656-2131, poste 12853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
www.dti.ulaval.ca

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: 18 novembre 2015 11:28
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

It's a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I'm wondering 
if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators to allow for 
wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones already required. To 
that point I wonder if it will eventually become part of the local building 
codes.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I'm thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There's a lot of 
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  :)

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Julian Y Koh]

On Wed Nov 18 2015 09:26:03 CST, Lee H Badman  wrote:
> 
> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone is 
> rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
> car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from 
> hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, 
> etc.

Stairwells to me are an interesting case that definitely requires some 
examination.  To me it seems like elevators are less interesting since there is 
a pretty widespread expectation that no wireless communication (cellular or 
Wifi) works reliably in elevators already, so engineering a solution for wifi 
in elevators would seem to be of a lower priority overall.  It's an interesting 
engineering exercise for sure though!




-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
847-467-5780
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Daniel Eklund]

I should add that the fire marshall views stairwells as a means of egress
and so does not want people congregating in them in an emergency.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Eklund  wrote:

> Lee,
>
> At the University of Michigan we are in the midst of a large scale
> buildout.  We currently are locating access points as close as possible to
> stairwells, but not in them because our fire marshall will not allow us to
> locate access points or antennas in the stairwells themselves.  WRT
> elevators, our concern is that having an AP roaming from floor to floor
> through the building will wreak havoc on the system.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:
>
>> Hello to the excellent group.
>>
>> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if
>> anyone is rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated
>> coverage in each car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just
>> bleed out from hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling,
>> RTLS, safety apps, etc.
>>
>> Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem
>> low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are
>> doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing
>> differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and
>> why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.
>>
>> Thanks-
>>
>> Lee Badman
>>
>> *Lee Badman* | Network Architect
>> Information Technology Services
>> 206 Machinery Hall
>> 120 Smith Drive
>> Syracuse, New York 13244
>> *t* 315.443.3003  * f* 315.443.4325   *e* *lhbad...@syr.edu*
>>  *w* its.syr.edu
>>
>> *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY *syr.edu
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Eklund
> Network Planning Manager
> ITS/CSDC
> 734-763-6389
>



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ITS/CSDC
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Chris Adams (IT)]

I have seen POE IP Cameras in (newer) elevators – I’m sure additional ethernet 
drops could be included at the time of installation. Retrofitting into existing 
elevators may be a more difficult task.

Thanks,

Chris Adams

Director, Network & Telecom Services
Division of Information Technology
University of North Georgia
E-Mail: chris.ad...@ung.edu | Office: (706) 867-2891


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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Sullivan, Don" 
mailto:dsulli...@samford.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

It’s a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I’m wondering 
if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators to allow for 
wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones already required. To 
that point I wonder if it will eventually become part of the local building 
codes.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I’m thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There’s a lot of 
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  ☺

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing 
differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.eduw 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Daniel Eklund]

Lee,

At the University of Michigan we are in the midst of a large scale
buildout.  We currently are locating access points as close as possible to
stairwells, but not in them because our fire marshall will not allow us to
locate access points or antennas in the stairwells themselves.  WRT
elevators, our concern is that having an AP roaming from floor to floor
through the building will wreak havoc on the system.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:

> Hello to the excellent group.
>
> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone
> is rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in
> each car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from
> hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps,
> etc.
>
> Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem
> low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are
> doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing
> differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and
> why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.
>
> Thanks-
>
> Lee Badman
>
> *Lee Badman* | Network Architect
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> *t* 315.443.3003  * f* 315.443.4325   *e* *lhbad...@syr.edu*
>  *w* its.syr.edu
>
> *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY *syr.edu
>
>
>
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-- 
Daniel Eklund
Network Planning Manager
ITS/CSDC
734-763-6389

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RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Sullivan, Don]

It's a really great question just considering new/major re-work. I'm wondering 
if the elevator manufacturers might start remodeling the elevators to allow for 
wireless access points in addition to the emergency phones already required. To 
that point I wonder if it will eventually become part of the local building 
codes.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I'm thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There's a lot of 
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  :)

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Mike King]

Been a long time since these type of questions came up.
Summary of Idea's I've heard over the years:

   - Mounting the AP in-car,
  - Standard Ethernet but I think you'd probably be limited to 3
  stories or so (and need special cable)
  - DSL or LongReach ethernet to In-car, to AP in car
  - Fiber to in-car
   - Leaky coax the run of the shaft (Think tunnels, but vertical)
   - Directional antenna from the bottom or the top





On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Lee H Badman  wrote:

> Hello to the excellent group.
>
> As you get into new building wireless deployments, I’m wondering if anyone
> is rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in
> each car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from
> hallways) now that we’re into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps,
> etc.
>
> Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem
> low-brow, for the rest of us I’d love to hear your thoughts on what you are
> doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you’re planning on doing
> differently from what you’ve done in the past (if anything), whys and
> why-nots, and general thoughts on the topic.
>
> Thanks-
>
> Lee Badman
>
> *Lee Badman* | Network Architect
> Information Technology Services
> 206 Machinery Hall
> 120 Smith Drive
> Syracuse, New York 13244
> *t* 315.443.3003  * f* 315.443.4325   *e* *lhbad...@syr.edu*
>  *w* its.syr.edu
>
> *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY *syr.edu
>
>
>
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RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Lee H Badman]

Hi Don-

I agree on the costs. I'm thinking opportunistically, like where a major 
re-work or new building might be in work versus retrofit. There's a lot of 
technical and philosophical points to be considered, for sure.

-Lee


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Don
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  :)

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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RE: Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Sullivan, Don]

Lee,

Our thoughts and planning on this subject started about the time I read your 
email.  :)

I have not given any thought to this before but your email has raised questions 
as to what we might need to consider going forward. Considering how we would 
implement something like this in our current buildings/facilities would be a 
challenge and a potentially costly one.

Don Sullivan
Network Administrator
205-726-2111

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:26 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and 
Elevators

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu



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Purpose-Built Wireless Coverage in Stairwells and Elevators

[Lee H Badman]

Hello to the excellent group.

As you get into new building wireless deployments, I'm wondering if anyone is 
rethinking their coverage of elevators (like with dedicated coverage in each 
car) and stairwells (also specific coverage, not just bleed out from hallways) 
now that we're into the era of Wi-FI calling, RTLS, safety apps, etc.

Granted, if you have an established VoWiFi culture, the question may seem 
low-brow, for the rest of us I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you are 
doing with WLAN in stairwells and elevators, what you're planning on doing 
differently from what you've done in the past (if anything), whys and why-nots, 
and general thoughts on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee Badman


Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244

t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w 
its.syr.edu

SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu




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