CloudPath Xpressconnect - accessibility support?
Hello all, To all the CloudPath xpressconnect ES users out there, we recently got a case saying the onboarding site does not work with accessibility screen readers, nor does the executable that windows devices download to install the wireless profile. We primarily use JAWS (v18) screen reading software so I installed and gave it a go, indeed none of the onboarding site was read aloud, and the executable just reads "cloudpath cloudpath cloudpath cloudpath". I have a case in with the vendor, but was wondering if any other colleges have run into this problem. I haven't found anything mentioned in documentation, forums, google, or noticed any "turn on accessibility" checkbox on the management console, but I'm sure lots of other higher-ed must have hit this roadblock. We've been happy with the product for several years but this would be a big problem. Anyone else run into this? -Wyatt Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer CCNA-Security, CCNP-R Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edu<mailto:wsch...@greenriver.edu> [Green River new official mascot logoEmail] ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: Defeating Android 8.X Captive Portal detection
This is the same problem we have with Mac laptops, the 'pseudo' browser will allow the user to run through the whole onboarding process until the final download step where it refuses to allow the user to download a config file. Our only fixes are to continually educate users to close the 'pseudo' browser and open a full version of safari, or to add pre-auth acls to allow the device to fully access the apple urls it is checking so that the 'pseudo' browser never pops up and the user manually opens a standard browser to get the initial captive portal. Looks like android will need something similar. (although we already have some of google open to allow guests to use google credentials to authenticate, so it probably won't be much extra to add) Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer CCNA-Security, CCNP-R Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edu<mailto:wsch...@greenriver.edu> [Green River new official mascot logoEmail] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Turner, Ryan H Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Defeating Android 8.X Captive Portal detection Even though Android is only 7% of our install base, it amounts to 75% of my problems... It 'appears' on first glance that google has changed the captive portal detection on version 8. It 'appears' (very early into this, so this may change) that google now checks for both a generate_204 on both connectivitycheck.gstatic.com and a gen_204 on www.google.com<http://www.google.com>. Why is this a problem? We, as many people do, have a onboarding SSID. TLS requires proper onboarding. That means that we need to process people through the portal in an orderly manner to get them where they need to go. When Android 8.X detects a captive portal, it will prompt the user to 'sign in'. This process opens a pseudo browser (a browser that is limited in what it can do) to the captive portal login. After the user logs in, the user stays inside of the 'pseudo' browser. The browser has limited powers, and apparently will not allow the user to download or install an agent or configuration files. You can see the problem... They will get to the onboarding page, and nothing will work. I've managed to 'by pass' the problem, but it isn't ideal. Has anyone else seen this with commercial portals and figured out ways around it? It is possible all of this is in error, but I just got done with a bunch of packet captures that seems to validate this. I only have one Oreo user in my vicinity, so I will need to get my hands on a few more to see if this really is an issue, or just bad luck. Ryan Turner Manager of Network Operations ITS Communication Technologies The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill r...@unc.edu<mailto:r...@unc.edu> +1 919 445 0113 Office +1 919 274 7926 Mobile ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] New buildings on campus
Depending on the project, smaller cabling contractors may not have anyone trained in autocad and not want to pay someone to make as-builts in autocad, or they don't want to take the time to input all the communication jacks and numbering. Just put auto-cad as-builts in your specs as a deliverable and make it mandatory. If you are just talking about general building drawings, Architects are working for you and should absolutely provide all plans in PDF or Autocad, whichever you request. Our facilities department will always get the plans in autocad, then we in IT get handed either autocad or PDF, but a request to the architect has always yielded whichever we asked for. (The builders/contractors may not want to pass them directly to you, but through a proper chain of communication you should be able to request them, they should always be a deliverable of the project) -wyatt Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer CCNP-R : CCNA-Security Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edu -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Todd Hall Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 6:35 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] New buildings on campus When we have new buildings being constructed I am provided plans in pdf format. I'm told that the Architect/builders won't share the Autocad files. Are any of you able to get Autocad files? If so, who provides them? Do you have to justify what they are for? It would be a huge time saver for designing the wireless networks in ESS. One more thing. I'd like to thank everybody for participating in this list. It has been a fantastic resource over the years. -- Todd Hall Sr. Network Analyst Information Technology Services Mississippi State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
Certainly not an option for us, being a community college means a lot of low income students. Possibly why I still see several handfuls of iPhone 4 phones (circa 2010) on my wifi. Lots of 2.4 only devices, and I don’t see that changing for a while. Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer CCNP–R : CCNA-Security Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danny Eaton Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 7:20 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5 I see so many IoT devices that are 2.4 only; as well as the students save $30 on the laptop buying it with just the 2.4 radio (but it’s 802.11n!) that many of them come that way as well. We’re testing a “Rice Owls” (dual band) and a “Rice Owls 5 GHz” (uhm, 5 GHz only, of course) in limited areas, and so far, the results are positive. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 10:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5 We still have a lot of devices (especially low-end smartphones) that only have 2.4 radios. [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu<mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> Please contact helpd...@york.edu<mailto:helpd...@york.edu> for technical assistance. The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Oliver, Jeff <jeff.oli...@uleth.ca<mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>> wrote: Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4 and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback? Cheers, Jeff --- Jeffrey L. Oliver Manager, Network and Telecommunications Information Technology Services The University of Lethbridge 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4 Tel: 403.329.5162<tel:(403)%20329-5162> Mob: 403.315.4461<tel:(403)%20315-4461> URI: jeff.oli...@uleth.ca<mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca> Web:http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. !DSPAM:109,58bd91fa151615915915629! ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Current state of DAS in Higher Ed?
Our local laws are now that public safety radios must have the same signal inside new buildings as outside, so life safety radio DAS is mandatory for our last 3 buildings, as well as anything new in the future. As far as cellular DAS, we looked into it with a few vendors and were told 7 figures per building, and since the carriers are pushing everyone to move to wifi calling, they won’t work with an institution our size even if we did have the money. Policy makers on campus decided the college does not have an obligation to provide cell service so the project died. Wyatt Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edu<mailto:wsch...@greenriver.edu> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Pete Hoffswell Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Current state of DAS in Higher Ed? Hiya - What is the current state of DAS in Higher Ed? Are you using DAS systems on your campus? For coverage or capacity or both? Glad you did? I'm interested to hear stories. We have a few LEEDS buildings that are quite Faraday cage-like. Wonder if we should explore DAS, wait for wifi-calling, or what - Pete Hoffswell - Network Manager pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu<mailto:pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu> http://www.davenport.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service...
-No institutional wireless. Let the students bring in their own AP's We are moving away from this model. The thought originally was that we provide a data drop just like comcast would from a modem, and it is exactly like the experience they would have at an off campus apartment. Ultimatly the students come to a college expecting wireless and view the institution as backwards and low tech if it isn't everywhere. They don't budget for a $100 wireless router their first week of classes, and many do not have a device with an ethernet port, so they are stuck without any internet until they can save up money and get to a store. -Some kind of institutionally owned/leased mobile wireless (e.g we provide our own 4G) Installing a DAS system and getting all four carriers to buy into it, at least from our questions a couple years ago, is likely a seven figure project (for a small college). An 802.11ac upgrade is probably magnitudes cheaper. This only solves phones and a small percentage of the tablets with a data plan. Laptops and any other device with only wifi are still out of luck. Even though you are providing the 4G, the carriers still bill the users at the same rate for data. (As far as I know, a locked carrier cell phone is not going to allow you to connect to a new college owned 4G frequency, if you meant fully owning and creating your own separate 4G signal) -Hybrid Do you mean half 802.11N and half 802.11ac? I would change over a building at a time, otherwise you will have clients clinging to the better 802.11ac AP even if it is on the edge of range. Not much experience on the other options. Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer Green River College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edumailto:wsch...@greenriver.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] To provide (wireless) service, or not to provide (wireless) service... A few weeks ago we made a pitch for funding to upgrade our res halls to 802.11ac. This request for funding has had an unforeseen effect. I'm not being asked to investigate NOT providing wireless networking in our res halls. Here are the options, as it has been described to me: -No institutional wireless. Let the students bring in their own AP's -Some kind of managed service (wireless as a service) with 802.11 -Some kind of institutionally owned/leased mobile wireless (e.g we provide our own 4G) -Hybrid -Continue with 802.11n 2.4GHz and fill in holes as they pop up I'm not going to put my thoughts up here just yet. These are the options/thoughts as presented by the levels above me. Let the discussion begin Brian Helman, M.Ed | Director, ITS/Networking Services | *: 978.542.7272 Salem State University, 352 Lafayette St., Salem Massachusetts 01970 GPS: 42.502129, -70.894779 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
[WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLC 8.1 code - 1140 support?
https://supportforums.cisco.com/blog/12385701/cisco-access-point-models-not-supported-81-code From this link it seems 8.1 code will do away with 1131s, 1240s, 1250s, and 1520s. My question is what reduced feature set of 1140 access points mean. Has anyone heard anything about what features are reduced? I am hoping just any features that are newly introduced in 8.1 and later code... Thought I would see if anyone else had details before quizzing my cisco rep. Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer Green River College ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Cisco 8.0.100.0 code rollback
Not sure if any others have tried out 8.0.100.0 code, but thought I'd toss out our issues with it. We are running a couple of 5508 HA pairs. The 8.0 code looked okay in testing but once load hit the controllers (starting seeing issues around 800-1000 clients per WLC), we noticed a few issues. 1. The WLC gui became unusable. The web gui became un-responsive and often partially or fully not showing pages at all. 2. 5ghz radios began bouncing. We would see 1 or 2 random WAPs an hour disable their 5ghz radio for a second and then it would come right back up. 3. On a smaller note, PI dashboard (PI2.1) shows 0mbps for wireless traffic from any controller on 8.0.100.0 We subsequently rolled back to 7.6.130 and all these issues disappeared. Hope this helps anyone else who might be looking at moving up to 8.0 -wyatt Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer Green River Community College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SV: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco 8.0 code released
Yes, testing it out now. Each browser gives it's own version of This isn't really https://www.google.com, you shouldn't proceed warning. Because it is a MITM redirect, there isn't a good way around it. After all the training we give to staff to not click through those warnings, we'll have to decide if it is a feature we want to turn on or not. (it is an option to enable or disable in MANAGEMENT - HTTP-HTTPS - HTTPS REDIRECTION) Wyatt Schill Senior Network Engineer Green River Community College 12401 SE 320th St. Auburn, WA 98092 wsch...@greenriver.edu -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 19:18 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SV: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco 8.0 code released Isn't the client's browser going to complain about a domain name mismatch b/c of the redirect to the https WebAuth page? There's no way to fix that, is there? -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 8/19/14, 9:54 PM, Vlade Ristevski wrote: I really want to run this code because of the https redirect fix: If a client requests a web page through HTTPS, the client is redirected to the WebAuth login page. but am still licking my wounds from our 7.6.120.0 debacle. We do a web redirect to our onboarding page and with so many homepages set to google and facebook (which use https) it's a big deal for us. Original message Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:30:13 -0700 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU (on behalf of Kitri Waterman ki...@uoregon.edu) Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SV: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco 8.0 code released To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU VLAN tagging on AP700W—Allows you to define individual VLAN tags for each individual Ethernet port available on Cisco Aironet 700W Series Access Points. This feature allows traffic to be separated not only between wireless and wired networks, but also among the four Ethernet ports. Finally. Kitri Waterman -- Network Engineer (Wireless) University of Oregon On 8/18/14, 7:13 AM, Mike King wrote: Let's see how the mailing list treats this: http://www.riders4helmets.com/wp- content/uploads/2011/01/mouseinhelmet1.jpg On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Danny Eaton dannyea...@rice.edu wrote: Early bird gets the worm but second mouse gets the cheese... I'll put it in my lab. Original message From: Anders Nilsson Date:18/08/2014 08:08 (GMT-06:00) To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] SV: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco 8.0 code released Nobody remembers a coward!!! ;) Cheers Anders Från: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] För Oliver Elliott Skickat: den 18 augusti 2014 14:59 Till: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Ämne: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco 8.0 code released Now who's feeling brave enough to run this on production wism2s?! Oli On 18 August 2014 13:18, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/relea se/notes/crn80.html -- Oliver Elliott Network Specialist IT Services University of Bristol e: oliver.elli...@bristol.ac.uk t: 0117 92 (87861) ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. !DSPAM:911,53f1fabf213627805617502! ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0
Is it broken on the WISM2s? I am on a 5508 with 7.2.110.0 and switching between web-auth ssid's is broken, but staying on a single web-auth works fine. Still waiting on a TAC solution. Wyatt Schill Green River Comm College From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric T. Barnett Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:27 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0 As far as I can tell web-authentication in general is broken in both 7.2.103.0 and 7.2.110.0. I've had to drop back to 7.1.91.0. Anyone else run into that? Eric Barnett Senior Network Engineer/Wireless Administrator Information and Technology Services Arkansas State University (870) 680-4243 http://wireless.astate.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Legge, Jeffry Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0 Has anyone done web-auth passthrough on wlc 7.2.103.0 with wism2's. The webserver field does not exist. If it is better is someone willing to work offline? ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0
Yes it is enabled, and I can switch between non web-auth ssid's fine, but switching between two web-auth ssid's fails. (and it works fine if I use the internal controller page, but using an external server to serve the pages seems to be the problem, one I didn't have in 6.x code) Wyatt Schill Green River Comm College From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike King Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:21 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0 Wyatt, Do you have Fast SSID enabled? Mike On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Wyatt Schill wsch...@greenriver.edumailto:wsch...@greenriver.edu wrote: Is it broken on the WISM2s? I am on a 5508 with 7.2.110.0 and switching between web-auth ssid's is broken, but staying on a single web-auth works fine. Still waiting on a TAC solution. Wyatt Schill Green River Comm College From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric T. Barnett Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:27 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0 As far as I can tell web-authentication in general is broken in both 7.2.103.0 and 7.2.110.0. I've had to drop back to 7.1.91.0. Anyone else run into that? Eric Barnett Senior Network Engineer/Wireless Administrator Information and Technology Services Arkansas State University (870) 680-4243tel:%28870%29%20680-4243 http://wireless.astate.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Legge, Jeffry Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Web-Auth on WLC 7.2.103.0 Has anyone done web-auth passthrough on wlc 7.2.103.0 with wism2's. The webserver field does not exist. If it is better is someone willing to work offline? ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
