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Yeah, you are right. It was replication, stored procedures and triggers. I think. Anyway, I couldn't use 4, but 5 was all I needed. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 11:34 PM, William M Conlon wrote: Agreed on FC5 to get MySQL 5. With CentOS you would go with Postgres for transactions. But to be precise, InnoDB tables were available with MySQL 3.23. version 5 brought stored procedures and triggers. Bill On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: That makes sense, but for me, mysql was not even a possibility until 5. So when 5 was released in FC5 thats when I made my move. I use innodb for everything, because just about everything I do requires enterprise level db, with transactions, replication, and all that good stuff. So far, FC5 and mysql 5, have been the most stable of any platform of OS or DB I have ever used. I don't think I will ever use windows or mac os for a server environment again. And when you load FC with TEXT only, so no gui, KDE or gnome, it is all business, all the resources for your applications. And with x64, which FC5 and FC6 take full advantage of, its the best bang for the buck. IMHO of course. Oh and did I mention, its cheap? -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:06 PM, William M Conlon wrote: Or use CentOS, which is the free version of Redhat Enterprise, currently equivalent to RHEL 4. If you need something very stable, go with CentOS. I think CentOS is also roughly equivalent to Fedora Core 4. Though I use Fedora Core 4 myself, it's for historical reasons. When RH abandoning its desktop/workstation users at RH9, Fedora was offered as the alternative. It was the only path available then for patches via a package manager. Personally, I like Fedora, because I find it has newer packages that I would like to use, but the 6 month release interval is too short for me. My approach has been to wait until legacy support stops (no more security patches) and then jump several versions. Bill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 2330 Bryant Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.tothept.com On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used
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Agreed on FC5 to get MySQL 5. With CentOS you would go with Postgres for transactions. But to be precise, InnoDB tables were available with MySQL 3.23. version 5 brought stored procedures and triggers. Bill On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: That makes sense, but for me, mysql was not even a possibility until 5. So when 5 was released in FC5 thats when I made my move. I use innodb for everything, because just about everything I do requires enterprise level db, with transactions, replication, and all that good stuff. So far, FC5 and mysql 5, have been the most stable of any platform of OS or DB I have ever used. I don't think I will ever use windows or mac os for a server environment again. And when you load FC with TEXT only, so no gui, KDE or gnome, it is all business, all the resources for your applications. And with x64, which FC5 and FC6 take full advantage of, its the best bang for the buck. IMHO of course. Oh and did I mention, its cheap? -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:06 PM, William M Conlon wrote: Or use CentOS, which is the free version of Redhat Enterprise, currently equivalent to RHEL 4. If you need something very stable, go with CentOS. I think CentOS is also roughly equivalent to Fedora Core 4. Though I use Fedora Core 4 myself, it's for historical reasons. When RH abandoning its desktop/workstation users at RH9, Fedora was offered as the alternative. It was the only path available then for patches via a package manager. Personally, I like Fedora, because I find it has newer packages that I would like to use, but the 6 month release interval is too short for me. My approach has been to wait until legacy support stops (no more security patches) and then jump several versions. Bill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 2330 Bryant Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.tothept.com On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5
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That makes sense, but for me, mysql was not even a possibility until 5. So when 5 was released in FC5 thats when I made my move. I use innodb for everything, because just about everything I do requires enterprise level db, with transactions, replication, and all that good stuff. So far, FC5 and mysql 5, have been the most stable of any platform of OS or DB I have ever used. I don't think I will ever use windows or mac os for a server environment again. And when you load FC with TEXT only, so no gui, KDE or gnome, it is all business, all the resources for your applications. And with x64, which FC5 and FC6 take full advantage of, its the best bang for the buck. IMHO of course. Oh and did I mention, its cheap? -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:06 PM, William M Conlon wrote: Or use CentOS, which is the free version of Redhat Enterprise, currently equivalent to RHEL 4. If you need something very stable, go with CentOS. I think CentOS is also roughly equivalent to Fedora Core 4. Though I use Fedora Core 4 myself, it's for historical reasons. When RH abandoning its desktop/workstation users at RH9, Fedora was offered as the alternative. It was the only path available then for patches via a package manager. Personally, I like Fedora, because I find it has newer packages that I would like to use, but the 6 month release interval is too short for me. My approach has been to wait until legacy support stops (no more security patches) and then jump several versions. Bill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 2330 Bryant Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.tothept.com On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up s
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Or use CentOS, which is the free version of Redhat Enterprise, currently equivalent to RHEL 4. If you need something very stable, go with CentOS. I think CentOS is also roughly equivalent to Fedora Core 4. Though I use Fedora Core 4 myself, it's for historical reasons. When RH abandoning its desktop/workstation users at RH9, Fedora was offered as the alternative. It was the only path available then for patches via a package manager. Personally, I like Fedora, because I find it has newer packages that I would like to use, but the 6 month release interval is too short for me. My approach has been to wait until legacy support stops (no more security patches) and then jump several versions. Bill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 2330 Bryant Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.tothept.com On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use,
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Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK "http://bighead.net"http://bighead.net/ - HYPERLINK "http://eventpix.com"http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: HYPERLINK "mailto:witango-talk@witango.com"witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK "http://bighead.net"http://bighead.net/ - HYPERLINK "http://eventpix.com"http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: HYPERLINK "mailto:witango-talk@witango.com"witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia,
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I am not sure about their motivation on the timing needed to release updates to the community. In fact it is not that important; it's a free product and I can only be grateful they are doing it. In regards to the licensing agreement regarding MySQL running on a web-server, I read it the same way as you did. I hope they just do not change it. It seems MySQL is the right product for my website project as well. I appreciate very much your input. Many thanks, Mike Bravu. -Original Message- From: Alan Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:56 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB One thing about open sourced software is commonly they have various levels of code releases. Yyou have CVS snapshots / nightly builds etc These are bleeding edge and might not even work or compile, just the current version of the code. Should not be used in production. You have release candidates This is code that is under review for being released. Should not be used in production You have new releases These are new code versions put out which the devs have decided are stable. As with any new software, there could be undiscovered bugs as well as vulnerabilities. If you want to be safe and secure, these should not be used in production IMO. You have versions which have been out for a couple months These are the ones that you want to be using in a production environment. They are tried and true and the headaches of using freshly baked software have been endured by other people so that you dont have to. If mysql isn't releasing their code straight to the community center right away I don't think it's due to the fact that they don't value their community or want to keep anything away from them, I think it's that they want to make sure the community has the most stable software they can give them while still putting out new features. Make sense? Also if i recall the mysql licensing, you only have to pay the makers of mysql if you ship a software product which CONTAINS mysql. Working with web applications, your client never gets your binaries and they never get the binaries of mysql so you can use it free of charge. You might want to verify that with the community just to make sure but I was researching this about a year ago and this is what I found out and was pretty pleasantly surprised. On 2/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much > for your input. > > I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far > with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and > supported. > This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break > once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it > anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the > customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! > So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue > disappear. > PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a > first preference. > MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something > that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the > code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" > (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). > > Thanks again. > Mike Bravu > > From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB > > > I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. > I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other > products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and > then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down > issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, > there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was > notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I > have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango > tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. > > > All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, > and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only > tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most > trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. > > > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 1365
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Also, if you use something like fedora core, and use there RELEASED repos, and only update with YUM, you should be good. Fedora only releases versions of mysql, that are VERY tested. Don't go to mysql.com, and download the latest and greatest, rely on fedora or ubuntu, or whatever to manage that for you. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high- traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the
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But I think mysql is a better choice, because it is used by so many and so well tested. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high- traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towar
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One thing about open sourced software is commonly they have various levels of code releases. Yyou have CVS snapshots / nightly builds etc These are bleeding edge and might not even work or compile, just the current version of the code. Should not be used in production. You have release candidates This is code that is under review for being released. Should not be used in production You have new releases These are new code versions put out which the devs have decided are stable. As with any new software, there could be undiscovered bugs as well as vulnerabilities. If you want to be safe and secure, these should not be used in production IMO. You have versions which have been out for a couple months These are the ones that you want to be using in a production environment. They are tried and true and the headaches of using freshly baked software have been endured by other people so that you dont have to. If mysql isn't releasing their code straight to the community center right away I don't think it's due to the fact that they don't value their community or want to keep anything away from them, I think it's that they want to make sure the community has the most stable software they can give them while still putting out new features. Make sense? Also if i recall the mysql licensing, you only have to pay the makers of mysql if you ship a software product which CONTAINS mysql. Working with web applications, your client never gets your binaries and they never get the binaries of mysql so you can use it free of charge. You might want to verify that with the community just to make sure but I was researching this about a year ago and this is what I found out and was pretty pleasantly surprised. On 2/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free
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Alan, Robert, and anybody else that might still respond, thank you very much for your input. I am looking to replace a MS SBS 2003 + Witango which worked great so far with something else that is reasonably reliable, fast, easy to use and supported. This current system worked great, in more then four years it did not break once (it it true, the load is not very heavy), but I cannot legally use it anymore. MS does not allow more than 75 users on SBS, no matter how much the customer is willing to pay. How ridiculous is that?! So I am looking to alternatives that will make the licensing issue disappear. PostgreSQL seems to be basically "no strings attached", which makes it a first preference. MySQL has a dual licensing policy, and I am afraid to not get into something that later on will prove to be another nightmare. Another issue is that the code changes are not immediately made available to the "Community Server" (or, at least, CS is not the main focus of the company). Thanks again. Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 08:19 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK "http://bighead.net"http://bighead.net/ - HYPERLINK "http://eventpix.com"http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: HYPERLINK "mailto:witango-talk@witango.com"witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK "http://bighead.net"http://bighead.net/ - HYPERLINK "http://eventpix.com"http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean
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I have not used postgreSQL with it, but one thing to consider with wtiango. I have not found witango to just work perfectly with any DB. Even when other products seem to. It was one of the main reasons, I changed to mysql, and then fell in love for many other reasons. I spent months/years chasing down issues that usually only occur under very heavy load. Under very heavy load, there are issues of witango hanging and even crashing. Witango 5 was notorious for this, and 5.5 was much improved, but it still happens. But I have found it to be almost non-existent with mysql. Probably because witango tests with mysql, and probably a couple of others. All that to say, if your stuff is at all intensive, set up some scenarios, and hammer it on the bench, and see how witango likes it first. I only tested a few DBs, but I found witango/mysql combo to be about the most trouble free, and then probably witango/mssql. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has
RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting + DB
Does anybody have any experience in using PostgreSQL + Witango ? How does it compare with using MySQL? Would you recommend PostgreSQL ? [Sorry, I know this is OT but I checked the Witango-Talk archive and could not find any message related to "PostgreSQL".] Thank you, Mike Bravu _ From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:22 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK "http://bighead.net"http://bighead.net/ - HYPERLINK "http://eventpix.com"http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 HYPERLINK "http://www.webenergy-sw.com"www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! HYPERLINK "http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/"http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:witango-talk@witango.com"witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech! <6b2db7a.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 HYPERLINK "http://www.webenergy-sw.com"www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! HYPERLINK "http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/"http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:witango-talk@witango.com"witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database sup
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Pff...mysql is a good database. On 2/19/07, Rick Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! *[image: WebLogoWhite]** **Rick Sanders** *President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com* *** * * *Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com* *From:* Wolf, Gene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* February 19, 2007 10:31 AM *To:* witango-talk@witango.com *Subject:* Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: *Error* An error occurred while processing your request: File:* searchforum.taf* Position:* DirectDBMS* Class:* DBMS* Main Error Number:* 1064* *[MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 *File:* searchforum.taf* Position:* DirectDBMS* Class:* Internal* Main Error Number:* -101* *Gene Wolf* *Supervisor, Business Systems* *DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics* *2330 Commerce Park Drive NE* *Palm Bay, Florida 32905* *Phone: 321-309-0685* * 321-309-0202 (fax)* Dictionary.com <http://dictionary.com/> Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. *"This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State."* TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf<>
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Gene, Tronics Robert Shubert hands down the best in US -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] To understand the heart and mind of a person, Look not at what he has already achieved, But what he aspires to do. Kahill Gibran From: "Wolf, Gene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "witango-talk@witango.com" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:31:09 -0500 To: Conversation: OT: Witango hosting Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/> This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
No offense, but I think this is a great forum for this type of discussion. Choosing the right db for your application, is a tough, and extremely important decision. Any experience from the several knowledgeable people on this list, can be a great help. Of course it can be spirited and opionated, but hey, that's ok. I can still respect Rick even though he is completely wrong in this case. ( :-) I say that completely tongue in cheek.) Anyway, I don't think this is OT. Also, another thing to consider when choosing your db Which is the least troublesome with your app server. I have found this varies. For instance, PHP is HIGHLY tuned to work as perfect as possible with mysql. But I have also found that witango seems to be mostly tested with mysql and mssql also. And I have found witango/ mysql to be a great combo, and even more troublefree than witango/mssql. Anyway, just my opinion. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free - not free Take the Database where you like, and the DB what you like to pay fir or not, BUT pls. stop this discussion. Witango work with YOUR preferred DB of YOUR choice (or not). That's all. A Point and it is over. regards Daniel Richardy (Ex-Witango Distributor for Germany etc., Reason: We have make bad sells. Why? - No comments...) PS.: Witango is the best tool to make fast Internet Database Solutions - anyway what kind of DB you use. - Original Message - From: Robert Garcia To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@wi
Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
Oops - I have forget it to say: Hosting: Witago Server 5.5 Database; Your decision - you must own the license Price: 100$/m included 2 GB of transfer. More as 2 GB - cost 10$/GB FTP: Yes Bandwidth: 155 Mb/sec Own Server: No / virtuel. direct. contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Payments: Paypal, Fire Transfer rs Daniel Richardy _ Email Impressum gemäß EHUG vom 01.07.2007 § 35a GmbHG): SoftDes GmbH, Software, EDV-Beratung, Grafik-Design Auwaldstrasse 104 - D 79110 Freiburg - Tel: +49 - 761 - 4 555 666 Geschäftsführer: Daniel Richardy; Sitz und Registergericht: Freiburg - HRB 6109 Web: www.softdes.de Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:05 AM Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting Free - not free Take the Database where you like, and the DB what you like to pay fir or not, BUT pls. stop this discussion. Witango work with YOUR preferred DB of YOUR choice (or not). That's all. A Point and it is over. regards Daniel Richardy (Ex-Witango Distributor for Germany etc., Reason: We have make bad sells. Why? - No comments...) PS.: Witango is the best tool to make fast Internet Database Solutions - anyway what kind of DB you use. - Original Message - From: Robert Garcia To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:
Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
Free - not free
Take the Database where you like, and the DB what you like to pay fir or not,
BUT pls. stop this discussion.
Witango work with YOUR preferred DB of YOUR choice (or not). That's all.
A Point and it is over.
regards
Daniel Richardy
(Ex-Witango Distributor for Germany etc., Reason: We have make bad sells. Why?
- No comments...)
PS.: Witango is the best tool to make fast Internet Database Solutions - anyway
what kind of DB you use.
- Original Message -
From: Robert Garcia
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS
is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for
peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was
free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good.
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote:
Stefan,
Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the
speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though,
MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise
installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt.
Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely
in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to
refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the
community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on
this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous
load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server
(2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with
SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I
have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not
sure I'd feel compelled to do so.
Cheers everyone-
Jason
-
Jason Pamental
Director of Web Services
North Sails
Office: 401.643.1415
Fax: 401.643.1420
Mobile: 401.743.4406
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql
is a reasonable
database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment,
which indirectly
casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high
performance
database, so a free one is just fine.
Stefan
At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote:
Hi Stefan,
I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production
environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by
Pervasive SQL a close second.
I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the
research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster.
Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the
traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on
Windows.
<6b2db6b.jpg>
Rick Sanders
President
902-401-7689
www.webenergy-sw.com
Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more!
http://shop.webenergy-sw.com
From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable
database.
Stefan
At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote:
I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech!
<6b2db7a.jpg>
Rick Sanders
President
902-401-7689
www.webenergy-sw.com
Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more!
http://shop.webenergy-sw.com
From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM
To: witango-talk@witango.com
Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting
This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my
personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site
hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as w
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As far as ease of use, we purchased Navicat enterprise, that solved any "MS is easier" issues. And one more thing, we never chose mysql, especially for peach, because it was free. Peach, actually told me no before, because it was free. They just couldn't figure out, how anything free, could be any good. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Jason Pamental wrote: Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech! <6b2db7a.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient.
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http://www.tothept.com On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Rick Sanders wrote: Hi Jason, I have one client on a dedicated server. They process about 200,000 transactions daily and have 20,000 visitors daily to the website. We started with MYSQL. As the database grew, the performance decreased. We then switched over to MSSQL server and the performance was increased by 35%. We did this as a test. Because the price for the license is high, we also offered Pervasive SQL which is considerably less expensive. Again, the performance increase was about 30 to 35% over MYSQL. For the price, MYSQL can’t be beat. But, when you’re dealing with a lot of transactions and large amounts of data I prefer to use MSSQL if the client can afford it. Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Jason Pamental [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 12:17 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech! <6b2db7a.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 1
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I would have to agree with you on windows. But windows slows everything down. Use the same hardware, and put mssql on the windows server, and mysql 5 on the same hardware running linux, like fedora 5, and the debate will be over. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Feb 19, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Rick Sanders wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech! Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com CoachVille: For coaches and people taking teleclasses http :// www.cvcommunity.com?af=69474 __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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I would concur that if you just take the same transaction-oriented benchmark and apply it to MySQL, you'll find it lacking in performance. It's not surprising that out of the box, MSSQL has higher transactions per second, after all they were the TPS race that was so prominent a few years ago, and that benchmark is a major point of comparison. But MySQL is a different animal, and the big issue is how you handle locking, which influences the table type you choose and how you model your data and build your app. I'm only familiar with MySQL 4.1 and below, and only the VERY fast MyISAM tables, which do not support ROW locking. But by using LAST_INSERT_ID as the foreign key, you can INSERT into related tables without any locks! It's possible to use relative updates, depending on how you structure your related tables, to avoid the need for transaction locking on updates. The operations are still atomic, but without transaction locks, and VERY fast. Of course you sacrifice a lot of things you get with a real Transaction, and I think MySQL still needs improvements in indexing performance. But I think the decision should be made on issues other than speed. Bill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 2330 Bryant Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.tothept.com On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Rick Sanders wrote: Hi Jason, I have one client on a dedicated server. They process about 200,000 transactions daily and have 20,000 visitors daily to the website. We started with MYSQL. As the database grew, the performance decreased. We then switched over to MSSQL server and the performance was increased by 35%. We did this as a test. Because the price for the license is high, we also offered Pervasive SQL which is considerably less expensive. Again, the performance increase was about 30 to 35% over MYSQL. For the price, MYSQL can’t be beat. But, when you’re dealing with a lot of transactions and large amounts of data I prefer to use MSSQL if the client can afford it. Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Jason Pamental [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 12:17 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: F
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Hi Jason, I have one client on a dedicated server. They process about 200,000 transactions daily and have 20,000 visitors daily to the website. We started with MYSQL. As the database grew, the performance decreased. We then switched over to MSSQL server and the performance was increased by 35%. We did this as a test. Because the price for the license is high, we also offered Pervasive SQL which is considerably less expensive. Again, the performance increase was about 30 to 35% over MYSQL. For the price, MYSQL can't be beat. But, when you're dealing with a lot of transactions and large amounts of data I prefer to use MSSQL if the client can afford it. WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Jason Pamental [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 12:17 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won't get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I've never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I've done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn't perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Stefan Gonick [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! <6b2db7a.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Wolf, Gene [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL serve
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Stefan, Well put. I think that there is enough research out there supporting the speed and capabilities of both engines to argue forever. Simply put though, MySQL is in use in enough high-traffic and mission critical enterprise installations that any blanket statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Rick - I don't mean to take away from your own research - we all have to rely in many cases on our own perceptions and experiences. But we should all try to refrain from making statements that can so easily undermine what others in the community are doing. I would think that if Robert Garcia were to weigh in on this he could spell out a very convincing case for MySQL given the tremendous load his projects put it under on a daily basis. Of course, I use SQL Server (2000 and 2005) as well as MySQL daily, and the ease of management and use with SQL Server is amazing, so I tend to lean towards SQL Server simply because I have it - but were I faced with having to purchase the licenses myself, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to do so. Cheers everyone- Jason - Jason Pamental Director of Web Services North Sails Office: 401.643.1415 Fax: 401.643.1420 Mobile: 401.743.4406 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won’t get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands- down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I’ve never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I’ve done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn’t perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. <6b2db6b.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can’t believe they use MYSQL! Yech! <6b2db7a.jpg> Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State.&qu
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Hi Rick, Those arguments are a far cry from "yech". My point was just that Mysql is a reasonable database and it's free. It doesn't deserve that kind of negative comment, which indirectly casts aspersions on With. Obviously, their site doesn't need a super high performance database, so a free one is just fine. Stefan At 10:13 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: Hi Stefan, I won't get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I've never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I've done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn't perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 <http://www.webenergy-sw.com>www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/>http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Stefan Gonick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 <http://www.webenergy-sw.com>www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/>http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/>http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to <http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf>http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to <http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf>http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration <http://www.databasewebworks.com/>http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com CoachVille: For coaches and people taking teleclasses <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474>http <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474>:// www.cvcommunity.com?af=69474 TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database
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Hi Stefan, I won't get into a debate, but on Windows in a high-volume production environment Microsoft SQL server is the fastest hands-down, followed by Pervasive SQL a close second. I've never bench-marked MSSQL on Windows vs. MYSQL on Linux, but the research I have done stated that MSSQL is faster. Also, I've done lots of work with MYSQL and in an environment where the traffic is high, MSSQL doesn't perform well. Again, my experience has been on Windows. WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Stefan Gonick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: RE: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Wolf, Gene [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to <http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to <http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com <http://www.databasewebworks.com/> CoachVille: For coaches and people taking teleclasses http <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474> :// <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474> www.cvcommunity.com?af=69474 <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf<> <>
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What is "yech" about Mysql? Since version 4 it has been a quite usable database. Stefan At 09:37 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote: I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 <http://www.webenergy-sw.com>www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/>http://shop.webenergy-sw.com From: Wolf, Gene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/>http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com CoachVille: For coaches and people taking teleclasses <http://www.cvcommunity.com/?af=69474>http://www.cvcommunity.com?af=69474 TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf<>
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I can't believe they use MYSQL! Yech! WebLogoWhite Rick Sanders President 902-401-7689 www.webenergy-sw.com Shop online for computer systems, accessories, and much, much more! http://shop.webenergy-sw.com <http://shop.webenergy-sw.com/> From: Wolf, Gene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/> http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf<>
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Gene, Robert Shubert of Tronics (www.tronics.com) offers Witango hosting. _ From: Wolf, Gene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 09:31 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Witango-Talk: OT: Witango hosting This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/> http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a hosting service for my personal use. No, not business related. *laughs* If any of you offer site hosting and Witango app hosting (and perhaps database support as well) would you please send me some information pertaining to costs? Yes, I did try the Witango e-mail search looking for Hosting in the message title and received the following error message: Error An error occurred while processing your request: File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: DBMS Main Error Number: 1064 [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-5.0.22-community-max]You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY w1.datereceived DESC limit 50' at line 12 23000 File: searchforum.taf Position: DirectDBMS Class: Internal Main Error Number: -101 Gene Wolf Supervisor, Business Systems DRS Sensors & Targeting Systems-Optronics 2330 Commerce Park Drive NE Palm Bay, Florida 32905 Phone: 321-309-0685 321-309-0202 (fax) Dictionary.com Word of the Day http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. > "This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in > the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. > Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act > (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons > without prior written approval from the U.S. Department of State." > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
