RE: [WSG] button type=submit or input type=submit
-Original Message- From: David R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2005 6:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] button type=submit or input type=submit Whats more appropriate for form submission? Quite frankly, I can't see any advantage of input type=submit/reset over button type=submit/reset, for one... its more semantic... I wans a button, not an input field... right there Not all browsers support the button, so I tend to stick to the input. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] divs, layers, trans and strict
Hello all, and a good new year to you all! I am 'playing' with some layers which sit on top of each other to create a specific effect. I have converted the layers to CSS in the header (instead of inline styling) and it works fine as HTML4.01 trans. it can be seen at [1]. However, as soon as I make it strict, the positioning changes, as shown in [2]. Both files validate OK, and so does the CSS, so why are they not behaving properly? - It's probably staring at me, but I just can't see it! Would any of you alert new year revellers take a look for me please? [1] http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk [2] http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/index_strict.html Many thanks for your time and expertise, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] divs, layers, trans and strict
Bob, I just opened both pages in Safari, and they seem to be/look the same to me, so the first question is which browser(s) are you testing in? Justin On 02/01/2005, at 1:15 AM, designer wrote: Hello all, and a good new year to you all! I am 'playing' with some layers which sit on top of each other to create a specific effect. I have converted the layers to CSS in the header (instead of inline styling) and it works fine as HTML4.01 trans. it can be seen at [1]. However, as soon as I make it strict, the positioning changes, as shown in [2]. Both files validate OK, and so does the CSS, so why are they not behaving properly? - It's probably staring at me, but I just can't see it! Would any of you alert new year revellers take a look for me please? [1] http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk [2] http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/index_strict.html Many thanks for your time and expertise, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Justin French, Indent.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Application Development Graphic Design ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] divs, layers, trans and strict
One good rule for xhtml markup is marking the code lower-case, and putting quotes after attributes, id=thisway is less supported than id=thisway Sincerely Haldberg On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:20:57 -, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] divs, layers, trans and strict Bob, I just opened both pages in Safari, and they seem to be/look the same to me, so the first question is which browser(s) are you testing in? Justin Hi Justin, Thanks for responding - I'm testing in Firefox, Opera 7, MSIE6 and MSIE5.5 all OK as trans, all wrong as strict! The only browser I have that is consistently correct is - wait for it - NN4.7! Thanks, Bob Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] divs, layers, trans and strict
Thanks guys (and gal :-) It was indeed the wrong case that was doing it. I just knew it was something daft that I couldn't spot, but you got it! Very grateful - it's so annoying when you can't see it . . . ! Bob Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Review Please! ZenGarden Submission ...
Hi All Happy New Year! I am working on my first CSS Zen Garden submission and I was wondering if you good folks might like to check it out for me and offer any feedback on the design or code. It can be viewed at www.manisheriar.com/zengarden I have checked it in FireFox, IE, Mozilla, and Netscape on the PC. Thanks!!! Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Voice Family Hack?
Julia wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but this hack has been referred to on the excellent
Browser Bugs page on the WIKI:
URL: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserBugs
body {font-size: small;
voice-family: \}\;
voice-family: inherit;
font-size: medium;}
and I have also seen it in use on other websites:
My question is, which size is for IE6 standards mode, and which one for IE5?
In other words, does this hack produce a font-size of small or medium? (2
or 3 as in the WIKI example)
The text preceding what you quoted is intended to convey the message
that that ruleset will cause the same size text to be rendered regardless
of browser. That would be 12pt/16px in windoze systems using nothing but
defaults for any of IE4, IE5, IE6, Firefox or Mozilla. That's because
standards-compliant browsers give priority to the last applicable rule,
and aren't snowed by the voice-family hack into thinking the rule is
over before reaching the final rule (medium) as are non-compliant old IE
versions.
Being a wiki, anyone is free edit as he/she sees fit. Feel free to do so
if you can come up with better language while remaining concise.
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Re: [WSG] Site Review Please! ZenGarden Submission ...
Nice! :) However, I do get a horizontal scrollbar in FF1.0 and the tiling pattern for the side of the content pane doesn't match up with the top, try adjusting your background-position:; property to resolve this HTH -David R Thank for your input, David! Do you have any suggestions for getting rid of the horizontal scroll? I see it in FF too and I dont like it but cant quite figure out how to make it disappear. Also, the bg image is tiling perfectly for me in FF1.0 and in the other browsers I've checked in, so I'm not sure how to tackle that one. Would you mind sending me a screenshot offline? Anyone else having problems with the tiling? Thanks! Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Please! ZenGarden Submission ...
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:15:19 -0600, Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any suggestions for getting rid of the horizontal scroll? I see it in FF too and I don't like it but can't quite figure out how to make it disappear. Looks great! But on the horizontal scrollbar, I get the feeling that the div with the tree is too wide. Outline with your web dev toolbar. It's silly, as it doesn't need that width. -- Cheers, Rob. » http://zooibaai.nl ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] How to align form elements
Ive got round this problem with a table kludge in the past, and Id like to learn how to fix it in CSS the elements in my form don't line up the labels arent in line with the input boxes they relate to. Can anyone tell me how to fix it? Its much worse in Firefox than it is in IE. In fact in IE Id say its acceptable just but in Firefox there is a marked difference in position between the labels and the input box they relate to. See http://atalkingdog.com/form.htm for the example and CSS that relates to it. What do I change to fix this? Can anyone help? Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year
[WSG] Feedback on a new website developed very quickly
Ditto everything in the above response plus I think you did a great job in such a short time-frame! Its clean and readable and looks professional. Once you take the 100% width off the tables you should be good to go. Good job! Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741
RE: [WSG] How to align form elements
AH, Yes! Thank you! That did the trick sure 'nuff. I knew that. I did! I
had just momentarily forgotten thats all.
(Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.)
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2005 11:01 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to align form elements
Michael Kear wrote:
in Firefox there is a marked difference in position
between the labels and the input box they relate to.
See http://atalkingdog.com/form.htm
Michael
Adding this style will line up the form
br{
clear:left
}
or add a clearing class to each br element within the form.
Regards
Jason Turnbull
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Re: [WSG] Funky tags or XHTML2 Transistional
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:36:58 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about creating my own doctype/DTD and adding some new tags. I'm far from being an expert on this subject, but here's what I think: First of all, current browsers don't really use the Document Type Definitions provided by the W3C website, they just look for the correct Document Type Declarations. So, they probably will recognise your DT Declaration as another junk and will probably fall back to the quirksmode (I wouldn't certanly want that). As you are refering to XHTML2, I must note that this should be served as application/xhtml+xml which isn't accepted by IE - so that's clearly off. And if you are using some other elements than those in the specification, or defining your own DT Definitions, then clearly you aren't following the standards - but trieng to come up with one by yourself. I think the right way to define your own tags is to use XML - which is ment for it. And then using some XSL Transformations or some other server-side technology to transform your custom markup to correct XHTML. Best wishes, and Happy New Year, Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Funky tags or XHTML2 Transistional
First of all, current browsers don't really use the Document Type Definitions provided by the W3C website, they just look for the correct Document Type Declarations. So, they probably will recognise your DT Declaration as another junk and will probably fall back to the quirksmode (I wouldn't certanly want that). I've checked - Opera uses standrads mode for unknown doctype and Mozilla always uses standards mode for XML documents. Does anyone know about Safari? http://www.literarymoose.info/ successfully uses it's own doctype (adds book tag for example) As you are refering to XHTML2, I must note that this should be served as application/xhtml+xml which isn't accepted by IE - so that's clearly off. No, that's different problem and has its own solutions. And if you are using some other elements than those in the specification, or defining your own DT Definitions, then clearly you aren't following the standards - but trieng to come up with one by yourself. True. Care must be taken to keep compatibility with current and (near-)future standards. XHTML is modular, so it can be done in a clean way, I think. I think the right way to define your own tags is to use XML - which is ment for it. And then using some XSL Transformations or some other server-side technology to transform your custom markup to correct XHTML. For some projects I already do that, but the point is to *output* custom tags to get some benefits I've listed in my first post. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
