[WSG] active and current id's in lists
HI all I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like this - ul id=topnav *li id=active*a href=# *id=current* link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li /ul this is one of the lists off css.maxdesign but i dont actually understand what the /active /and /current /is referring to.. what it does or if i even need to use it. There is no reference to either in the style sheet so whats it all about. I have more than one ul list in the page so obviously if i am using the same style of list again i will have to make the li /*id*/=active a class instead. But do i even need to have active and current ids/classes in there at all. Sorry if that sounds a tad jumbled but its been a long day. Any explanations or links to explanations would be greatly appreciated Jackie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists
I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out
more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like
this -
ul id=topnav
*li id=active*a href=# *id=current* link/a/li
lia href=#link/a/li
lia href=#link/a/li
/ul
this is one of the lists off css.maxdesign but i dont actually
understand what the /active /and /current /is referring to.. what it
does or if i even need to use it. There is no reference to either in
the style sheet so whats it all about.
I have more than one ul list in the page so obviously if i am using the
same style of list again i will have to make the li /*id*/=active a
class instead. But do i even need to have active and current
ids/classes in there at all.
hi Jackie,
the :active selector is wehn the mouse pointer is within an element in the time
when you are pressing down the mouse button (or are
tabbing via the keyboard). It doesn't work in NN4 and Opera 3.
while
id=current means the behavior when the link is clicked and you are on the new
site (so that you can see that this is the active
link, which mostyl shoud not be a clickable link ...).
so e.g.: .
.header{display: inline;padding: 0;width: 100%; background: transparent}
.header li{ float: left;width: 7em;margin: 0 1.5em 0 2em;padding: 0}
.header li a{text-decoration: none; display: block; font-weight: bold}
.header li a:link, .header li a:visited { color: #194948;background:transparent}
.header li a:hover { background:#8143C0;color:#fff}
.header li a:active { background:#8143C0;color:#000}
.header li#current {background:#fff;font-weight: bold;color:#ff;}
div class=header
ul class=topnav
li id=currentHome/li
li id=testa href=test.htm title=testtest/a/li
/ul
/div
best
johannes
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Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:57:17 +1100, Chris Blown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why MS just don't do what Apple did with Safari and leverage an open source rendering engine like Gecko or KHtml. That doesn't fit world domination plan. MS must OWN everything. Oh, that's right they'd break all those IE only web applications that just about every large MS shop / corporation uses to do business. Now that wouldn't be very nice, would it? Oh, that would be very nice! These shops would finally rewrite their web apps in more robust standard code or maybe implement them in XUL and have something more portable. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid tracker code
Hi Kornel, What is interesting is that once I signed up I found this information under 'generate your code', where they have two options for the code (standards compliant and xhtml). I had no clue looking at the web site that they even had this (maybe it was there but I was in a rush)...Here is what they said on the web site (once I sign in): -W3C Compliant (You can check this as an option) Maintaing correct line breaks in your code are crucial if you want to use W3C valid HTML. If you are just worried about your counter working all the time then don't tick this box. -xhtml compliant (You can check this as an option) 99% of users will not need this option. Unless you are specifically familiar with XHTML code don't tick this option as you may get unintended validation errors. -The following code is supposed to be html and w3c compliant (I checked both boxes) !-- Start of StatCounter Code -- script type=text/javascript !-- var sc_project=XX; var sc_partition=X; var sc_security=XXX; //-- /script script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscriptdiv class=statcountera class=statcounter href=http://www.statcounter.com/;img class=statcounter src=http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXXamp;amp;java=0amp;amp;security=XXX; alt=free web site hit counter //a/div/noscript !-- End of StatCounter Code -- What do you think? Cheers Lisa At 01:54 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: http://www.statcounter.com/ I haven't found any tracker code on their website, but there is a typical problem with real XHTML and trackers - document.write doesn't work.Most of them get information using JS and then generate img/script tag using document.write. That won't work in XML mode, and DOM must be used. -- regards, Kornel Lesiñski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] valid tracker code
Hi, I use this statcounter on my homepage, and it validates for me, its the ONLY stats service that offers valid XHTML and complient counter/tracker. If you guys want to have a look at the kinda stats it generates, I have opened up my account for you guys, go here: http://my.statcounter.com/project/standard/stats.php?project_id=449285guest =1 Plus you can make it invisible on your page, which a lot of other trackers dont let you do. The stats it generates are great, very detailed. Joey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Snider's Web Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] valid tracker code Hi Kornel, What is interesting is that once I signed up I found this information under 'generate your code', where they have two options for the code (standards compliant and xhtml). I had no clue looking at the web site that they even had this (maybe it was there but I was in a rush)...Here is what they said on the web site (once I sign in): -W3C Compliant (You can check this as an option) Maintaing correct line breaks in your code are crucial if you want to use W3C valid HTML. If you are just worried about your counter working all the time then don't tick this box. -xhtml compliant (You can check this as an option) 99% of users will not need this option. Unless you are specifically familiar with XHTML code don't tick this option as you may get unintended validation errors. -The following code is supposed to be html and w3c compliant (I checked both boxes) !-- Start of StatCounter Code -- script type=text/javascript !-- var sc_project=XX; var sc_partition=X; var sc_security=XXX; //-- /script script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscript div class=statcountera class=statcounter href=http://www.statcounter.com/;img class=statcounter src=http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXXamp;amp;java=0 amp;amp;security=XXX alt=free web site hit counter //a/div/noscript !-- End of StatCounter Code -- What do you think? Cheers Lisa At 01:54 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: http://www.statcounter.com/ I haven't found any tracker code on their website, but there is a typical problem with real XHTML and trackers - document.write doesn't work.Most of them get information using JS and then generate img/script tag using document.write. That won't work in XML mode, and DOM must be used. -- regards, Kornel Lesiñski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] valid tracker code
Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker: http://www.phpopentracker.de/en/index.php It's a complete framework for website analysis with a powerful (free to configure) interface, using mySQL and PHP. Unfortunately, this tracker also can mess up your html by using session-IDs. I once had to face a validation problem with a tracker and finally could manage to present a standards compliant site using this method: Edit the webserver's php.ini-file and add the following lines: ini_set(session.use_trans_sid, false); ini_set(url_rewriter.tags,); The first statement prevents the use of a transparent session ID, the second one prevents the url of being rewritten with the tracker's session ID. In a nutshell: You only have some PHP-code in the head-tag of your website which is then generated into an 'invisible' call to the tracker. As long as you are a bit common to PHP and do not interfere with any security-conditions concerning the webserver you may also find that interesting. (Also a suitable solution for any other tracker using php.) Regards, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Snider's Web Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] valid tracker code Hello, I am delurking as I may have the answer to your question :) I just found a free hit counter/tracker this morning that not only can include valid code but also valid xhtml code, a rare thing. You can see it here:http://www.statcounter.com/ Haven't used it yet, but from what I see so far it looks great :) Cheers Lisa At 01:14 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: Do any of you wizards know of a (free) tracker which actually validates when used with xhtml strict? Or indeed, ANY tracker with valid code? Bob McClelland, www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid tracker code
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscriptdiv class=statcountera class=statcounter href=http://www.statcounter.com/;img class=statcounter src=http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXXamp;amp;java=0amp;amp;security=XXX; alt=free web site hit counter //a/div/noscript !-- End of StatCounter Code -- What do you think? It won't work with XHTML served as XHTML (application/xhtml+xml). If you serve XHTML as HTML tagsoup (text/html), it will. The script: http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js relies on document.writeln, which is part of old Netscape DOM, and is not supported anymore in XML documents. This is a difficult problem. document.createElement should be used instead, but it has small and buggy support, so ideally counter should first try innerHTML (IE prefers that), then document.createElement (but not in Opera 6, IIRC) and finally fall back to document.write supported by browsers that don't support XML. PPK (www.quirksmode.org) should have some interesting info on this... -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid tracker code
You could also use some HTACCESS to mod up a similar solution as your PHP one. by prepending a php file to all files (whether they be PHP files, image files or whatnot) :D Tim Isenheim wrote: Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker: http://www.phpopentracker.de/en/index.php It's a complete framework for website analysis with a powerful (free to configure) interface, using mySQL and PHP. Unfortunately, this tracker also can mess up your html by using session-IDs. I once had to face a validation problem with a tracker and finally could manage to present a standards compliant site using this method: Edit the webserver's php.ini-file and add the following lines: ini_set(session.use_trans_sid, false); ini_set(url_rewriter.tags,); The first statement prevents the use of a transparent session ID, the second one prevents the url of being rewritten with the tracker's session ID. In a nutshell: You only have some PHP-code in the head-tag of your website which is then generated into an 'invisible' call to the tracker. As long as you are a bit common to PHP and do not interfere with any security-conditions concerning the webserver you may also find that interesting. (Also a suitable solution for any other tracker using php.) Regards, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Snider's Web Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] valid tracker code Hello, I am delurking as I may have the answer to your question :) I just found a free hit counter/tracker this morning that not only can include valid code but also valid xhtml code, a rare thing. You can see it here:http://www.statcounter.com/ Haven't used it yet, but from what I see so far it looks great :) Cheers Lisa At 01:14 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: Do any of you wizards know of a (free) tracker which actually validates when used with xhtml strict? Or indeed, ANY tracker with valid code? Bob McClelland, www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Quirks DTD
To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Quirks DTD
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different interpretation of what *their* specific quirks mode is and how it displays. And it's not just about the W3C creating a DTD, it would be about all browser manufacturers to retro-fit their browsers with abiding by it in case there is no doctype defined...which I'd doubt they'd do. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] off-color language on the list
Hi All I don't want to sound like the prudish aunt that smacks your knuckles when you say four letter words, but I thought I'd pass on just a wee warning and suggestion. These posts are often picked up by search engines and archived. It is very possible that one of your bosses or clients could do a search for web sites that link to their site and come up with a post with discouraging content. So, think about what you write before you hit the send. If you don't want your boss or client to read it, don't write it. If you absolutely, positively have to say something questionable, avoid putting your url and full name in your signature. I'm not an admin and I apologize to the overworked admin people for possibly continuing a closed thread. Ted In an earlier post: If it comes up again I'll give that a shot, had to give up and put them in tables - the powers that be aren't gonna pay for hours of [EMAIL PROTECTED] around with explorer when 2 minutes of table code will do it :'( ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply using #active a selector? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] active and current id's in lists
personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id says, show the nested list, the active says, this is the active link We are using something similar for the topnav on this web site: www.csatravelprotection.com Instead of #current, we are using a class on the body and an id on the list. When the two match, it shows the nested list. If the two don't match, the nested list is hidden. Ted -Original Message- From: Kornel Lesinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:24 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply using #active a selector? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD
To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different interpretation of what *their* specific quirks mode is and how it displays. And it's not just about the W3C creating a DTD, it would be about all browser manufacturers to retro-fit their browsers with abiding by it in case there is no doctype defined...which I'd doubt they'd do. Patrick It would be nice, however if we had some standard about this that the browsers could at least be encouraged to implement. It might help with the goal of making older sites viewable in any browser. If a free DTD or CSS (or whatever would be required) was released, then mabye browsers (besides IE) would conform to the non-standard standard. -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:38:32 -0500, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice, however if we had some standard about this that the browsers could at least be encouraged to implement. It might help with the goal of making older sites viewable in any browser. If a free DTD or CSS (or whatever would be required) was released, then mabye browsers (besides IE) would conform to the non-standard standard. -Alan Trick There are doctypes that trigger quirks mode. There is box-sizing CSS properity, but please, no more IE5 bugs emulation! Do you wan't *all* browsers to act strange and be buggy? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid tracker code
Hi Kornel, That makes sense :) I am off to read more... Cheers Lisa At 02:53 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscriptdiv class=statcountera class=statcounter href=http://www.statcounter.com/;img class=statcounter src=http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXXamp;amp;java=0amp;amp;security=XXX; alt=free web site hit counter //a/div/noscript !-- End of StatCounter Code -- What do you think? It won't work with XHTML served as XHTML (application/xhtml+xml). If you serve XHTML as HTML tagsoup (text/html), it will. The script: http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js relies on document.writeln, which is part of old Netscape DOM, and is not supported anymore in XML documents. This is a difficult problem. document.createElement should be used instead, but it has small and buggy support, so ideally counter should first try innerHTML (IE prefers that), then document.createElement (but not in Opera 6, IIRC) and finally fall back to document.write supported by browsers that don't support XML. PPK (www.quirksmode.org) should have some interesting info on this... regards, Kornel Lesiñski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] is this mozzila only css?
Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing. (I know it
doesn't work in IE)
foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff}
for the element foo bar='baz'/foo
If not is there a way to do this without using XSL?
-Alan Trick
Re: [WSG] is this mozzila only css?
Alan Trick wrote:
Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing. (I know it
doesn't work in IE)
foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff}
for the element foo bar='baz'/foo
It's part of the official CSS2.1 spec
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#attribute-selectors
Of course IE doesn't support it, as standards are not its strong point.
Any Moz only style rules (extensions to the official spec) are usually
prefixed with -moz
If not is there a way to do this without using XSL?
If you need IE compatibility, the only thing to do is using classes
(which obviously means editing the HTML to go with it).
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[WSG] quot; or in copy?
Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? Thanks, Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
I don't know about quot; but if you use instead of amp; it will break your xml pages (i.e. a href='some.com/page.php?a=bc=d' *must* be a href='some.com/page.php?a=bamp;c=d' in xml) -Alan Trick Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? Thanks, Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? I'm guessing you mean like this: element attribute=this contains a quote woo! / Well, no... is only meant to be used to delimit attribute values, you /might/ get away with using it insice body text: phello, he said hello to me yesterday/p But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; HTH -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] quot; or - when is it strictly enforced?
Is this an xhtml strict requirement? I have been using plain quotes thinking the quot; code was for the nice curly quote effect. Should I begin transforming my sites? It's not an easy search and replace. Ted David R wrote: But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; HTH -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] valid tracker code
Patrick Lauke has a validating version of the extreme tracker counter on his page: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/67/ cheers kemie -- ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:.
RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:58 AM said: you /might/ get away with using it insice body text: phello, he said hello to me yesterday/p Yes that's what I'm referring to. But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; Reference? Thanks! Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Around We Go
This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; Reference? My bad... XHTML1.1 derives from XHTML1.0 Strict which derives from HTML4.01 Strict ...Which mentions this about quote entities: --- http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/charset.html#h-5.3.2 --- Four character entity references deserve special mention since they are frequently used to escape special characters: * lt; represents the sign. * gt; represents the sign. * amp; represents the sign. * quot; represents the mark. ... Some authors use the character entity reference quot; to encode instances of the double quote mark () since that character may be used to delimit attribute values. --- So its official... its not required in HTML4.01, but sort-of 'recommended'. I couldn't find anything about it in XHTML1.1, but imho, I wouldn't risk it. -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] css markup for a list with a list
I have an unorganized sublist ul with a organized list ol and it's
not picking up my CSS. Sorry I don't have a link to the page I can
display, but was hoping someone could assist based upon my code.
(x) html:
div class=content
ol
lifirst list item/li
li2nd list item/li
li3rd list item:
ul
lifirst sublist item for 3rd list item/li
li2nd sublist item for 3rd list item/li
/ul
/li
li4th list item
ul
li1st sublist item for 4th list item/li
li2nd sublist item for 4th list item/li
/ul
/li
/ol
/div
CSS:
.content ol li ul li {
margin: 0 0 0 25px;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
color: #f00;
}
I have a font size of 100.01% set up in the body tag.
my sublist is displaying really tiny and with bullets (should be no bullets)
any help is greatly appreciated!
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Re: [WSG] off-color language on the list
Regardless of what we say in real life or in private emails, swearing on this list is completely unacceptable, as has been mentioned many times - as well as being clearly stated in our guidelines. http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm quote The list administrators reserve the right to unsubscribe any member from the list. Reasons include: * Unfriendly, abusive, disrespectful or rude behaviour * Profanity or smut on-list * Repeatedly replying to threads that have been closed * Ignoring list guidelines despite warnings - especially 'read' and 'delivery' receipts and vacation messages /quote Why is swearing a problem? 1. as mentioned by Ted, it is picked up by Google as well as our public archive. 2. it could cause offence to others on the list 3. it could possibly get a members access to this list blocked or banned if they are behind something like a strict corporate firewall. Unfortunately, any members who swears on-list will be immediately unsubscribed. And please, if you wish to discuss this further, email info@webboy.net and share your views, but not on-list. Thanks Russ Hi All I don't want to sound like the prudish aunt that smacks your knuckles when you say four letter words, but I thought I'd pass on just a wee warning and suggestion. These posts are often picked up by search engines and archived. It is very possible that one of your bosses or clients could do a search for web sites that link to their site and come up with a post with discouraging content. So, think about what you write before you hit the send. If you don't want your boss or client to read it, don't write it. If you absolutely, positively have to say something questionable, avoid putting your url and full name in your signature. I'm not an admin and I apologize to the overworked admin people for possibly continuing a closed thread. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Other character sets/languages
This is kind of embarrassing to admit, but for the very first time, I've undertaken to code a page (partially) in another language, and in another character set too, and I don't really know how to do it properly. And it's not just a matter of a few accents here and there -- the language is Vietnamese, which has all kinds of interesting double-diacritics and things like a crossed-out letter D (strikeD/strike would approximate it). So, where to start? The standards way to do it these days is with Unicode, right? In the old days we would have used one of the three different Vietnamese encodings -- TCVN, VPS or VISCII are what FireFox offers me -- but now Unicode should have done away with that stuff? So, do I code the page in UTF-8? I don't use a special Vietnamese encoding? And, no matter what you guys tell me, as I don't read the language, someone else will supply me with the text, and I can only pray it's from a Unicode-compliant source? I tried to educate myself about Unicode by reading Joel Spolsky's The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html which was very entertaining, but I'm not sure I got it or I wouldn't be asking... Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Around We Go
Hi Chris, Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? I don't know if it fits the bill but the simplest solution I came up with was a mixture of a header and two divs: div class=background h1 class=topTitle/h1 pBox contents/p div class=tail/div /div You can see this technique in use at http://www.btbusinessoffice.com/ (I did the original templates for this site) All the best, -- Ian Fenn Chopstix Media http://www.chopstixmedia.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 Confirmed
Also note that it will only be made available for XP. Everyone else will have to stay on IE6 or earlier. Carl. Windows XP now accounts for 60% of all Internet users now? I'll probably just put a notice up, telling people to download Firefox or Opera if they're on Pre-Windows XP or IE7.0 if they're on Windows XP. However, watch out if a large % of your site visitors are corporate or academic (K-12), many schools and companies don't update their WWW software unless its like 6 months overdue. I'm sure we all have experiences with schools and the like still running Flash 5. -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Standard this
Hi I was just thinking Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Obviously different browsers will all have their own quircks and giving the designer better control on what style gets displayed on what browser will leave designers with less excuses of building mono browser websites Kind regards Andy -- Registered Linux User Number 379093 Now listening to Top! Radio Live Stream -- Feel free to check out these few php utilities that I released under the GPL2 and that are meant for use with a php cli binary: http://www.vlaamse-kern.com/sas/ -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. -- Best regards, Dmitry Baranovskiy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Broken Dropdown
Hi Peoples, I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6). The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/style.css http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/nav.css The dropdown appears to work fine until I add 'scroll: auto;' to the contentarea div. I have tried playing around with z-indices but am not having any luck. I'm sure its something simple (well I hope it is). Can anybody help ? Regards Paul Farrell
Re: [WSG] css markup for a list with a list
Bruce,
Your selector [.content ol li ul li] refers to a list item within the
unordered list, not the list itself. What you want is probably:
.content ol li ul {
margin: 0 0 0 25px;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
color: #f00;
}
Why you're having a problem with tiny fonts isn't obvious from this
example; my guess is that it stems from elsewhere in your stylesheet.
Paul
PS: It's ordered list (numbered) and unordered list (bulleted)
respectively... nothing disorganized about them!
At 01:36 PM 2/16/2005, Bruce Gilbert wrote:
I have an unorganized sublist ul with a organized list ol and it's
not picking up my CSS. Sorry I don't have a link to the page I can
display, but was hoping someone could assist based upon my code.
(x) html:
div class=content
ol
lifirst list item/li
li2nd list item/li
li3rd list item:
ul
lifirst sublist item for 3rd list item/li
li2nd sublist item for 3rd list item/li
/ul
/li
li4th list item
ul
li1st sublist item for 4th list item/li
li2nd sublist item for 4th list item/li
/ul
/li
/ol
/div
CSS:
.content ol li ul li {
margin: 0 0 0 25px;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
color: #f00;
}
I have a font size of 100.01% set up in the body tag.
my sublist is displaying really tiny and with bullets (should be no bullets)
any help is greatly appreciated!
--
::Bruce::
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Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists
thanks chaps! ... now i get it! Will put into practice immediately. What a great list.. go home depressed... come in in the morning and everything is fine! jackie Ted Drake wrote: personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id says, show the nested list, the active says, this is the active link We are using something similar for the topnav on this web site: www.csatravelprotection.com Instead of #current, we are using a class on the body and an id on the list. When the two match, it shows the nested list. If the two don't match, the nested list is hidden. Ted -Original Message- From: Kornel Lesinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:24 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply using #active a selector? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
Dmitry Baranovskiy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 PM said: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. Interesting point. Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown
Sorry.. that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;' (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples, I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6). The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/style.css http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/nav.css The dropdown appears to work fine until I add 'scroll: auto;' to the contentarea div. I have tried playing around with z-indices but am not having any luck. I'm sure its something simple (well I hope it is). Can anybody help ? Regards Paul Farrell
Re: [WSG] Standard this
Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:16:09 +1100, Dmitry Baranovskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. And when you have already this far, I would say, *free your mind from eight bit* and use unicode :) (Takes less space and is better to read then #147;entity references#148;, not to mention all the other benefits...) - Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standard this
Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document. How is this different than a media selector, media queries, or lang attribute selectors? These examples seem to fit and they, too, are about customizing the presentation based on how it is likely to be displayed/interpreted in the particular rendering environment. There's no inherent reason not to place a user-agent selector in the mix, so long as it was regex-based, and the user-agent strings are not themselves standardized. BUT, as I understand it, speculation and wish-lists are off-topic for this list. They are *the* topic of the W3C lists, and I suggest you search the archives and post the idea there: http://www.w3.org/Mail/ Such a selector would beat the pants off MS conditional comments. -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standard this
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:13:46 +0100, Andy Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? And then some browsers will start to offer option: Change browser-build information ...and it would fail as any other browser-detection mechanism has failed. Except the hacks -- there are no good reasons to simulate some odd behaivior of browser X in browser Y. And also it's not that simple too. Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
At 02:16 PM 2/16/2005, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221; = right double quote etc. See http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
Hi, I've built myself this site http://republicana.dk (almost done) and I'm a little confused about accesskeys and tab index. What I've so far is this... Accesskeys: * Skip to content (alt s) * Index.php (alt 1) * Sitemap (alt 3) * Search (alt 4) * Conditions (alt 5) * A tab link (alt 6) * A tab link (alt 7) * Sidebar! (alt 8) * Contact (alt 9) * Accessibility (alt 0) I'm not sure this is right at all. (I mean use accesskeys to navigate the site with) Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? Regarding tab index! I think the page is real easy to tab and the flow seems to be correct? Should I use tab index? I use it on my forms pages! Is that the correct way or should I use accesskeys or should I use tab index and accesskeys argh! A real simple explanation would be great... if there is one. Thank you very much. Kim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] CSS3.0
Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) Regards -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standard this
At 02:13 PM 2/16/2005, Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Andy, Folks in both listserves you posted this to have explained pretty well why it's a bad idea. Ironically, I imagine some of these same folks use browser-specific hacks in their CSS. Well, heck, even if we don't use oogly backslash hacks, we all have tweak our CSS to suit a range of browsers, such as adding otherwise superfluous rules just to satisfy IE's hasLayout needs. What these hacks and workarounds have in common is that they rely on the actual abilities of the browser and aren't dependent on the browser's nametag which is too often forged and misleading. However... if you did want to do it anyway (tell a page what browser it *thinks* is rendering it), the tools to do so are already at hand and don't require modification of the language. Just write a server- or client-side script that sets, for example, the body class equal to a properly-formed amalgam of the HTTP_USER_AGENT value. Then you could precede your CSS rules with selectors such as body.macie52. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
On 17 Feb 2005, at 8:31 am, David R wrote: ust out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Start your visit here http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#table Nothing is finalised yet [1]. Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Has already been suggested in various ways on the www-style mailing list. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/ [1] Even CSS2.1 isn't finalised yet, and will probably go through another round of last comments draft. Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown
Am abandoning the overflow: auto on the content area. If anybody works out why it may not have worked, id be interested in hearing the reason off list. Thankyou Paul Sorry.. that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;' (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples, I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6). The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/style.css http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/nav.css The dropdown appears to work fine until I add 'scroll: auto;' to the contentarea div. I have tried playing around with z-indices but am not having any luck. I'm sure its something simple (well I hope it is). Can anybody help ? Regards Paul Farrell
Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD
Alan Trick wrote: If a free DTD or CSS (or whatever would be required) was released, then mabye browsers (besides IE) would conform to the non-standard standard. Unless I'm misreading you, I think it's worth clarifying one thing: a DTD alone does absolutely nothing. Browsers have some hardcoded DTD sniffing built in that then decides which rendering to apply. The DTD itself, at this stage, is nothing more than a string present in the HTML which the browsers look for... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most likely conflict (if you move beyond numbers into letters) with other shortcut keys on the system and/or assistive technology used. Regarding tab index! I think the page is real easy to tab and the flow seems to be correct? Should I use tab index? No. I use it on my forms pages! Is that the correct way or should I use accesskeys or should I use tab index and accesskeys argh! A real simple explanation would be great... if there is one. Accesskeys are shortcuts, tabindices force a certain tab order. If your forms tab logically and are reasonably short, there's no need for either, in my humble opinion...as they can cause more problems than solve any. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
On 17 Feb 2005, at 9:21 am, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Has already been suggested in various ways on the www-style mailing list. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/ Forgot to add, there is a new draft out http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216 Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
CSS 3 Backgrounds and Borders module is in Working Draft stage. http://w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#contribute details the mailing list which will allow you to make suggestions. HTH, Michael On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) Regards -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://mine.mjec.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221; = right double quote etc. See http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Doesn't this go against the semantics of XHTML? Use of entities in documents prevents the XHTML from being human-readable (of sorts... I'm not going to memorise the ASCII, Unicode, or UTF character tables) ...As well as adding to the document overhead? I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? (ie: ) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:45, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most likely conflict (if you move beyond numbers into letters) with other shortcut keys on the system and/or assistive technology used. In terms of access keys are there standard keys (commonly used) for Home, sitemap etc? TIA Bruce -- Bruce Morrison designIT http://www.designit.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
Hi, These articles help sort out some of the confusion. (http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/29/i_do_not_use/ index.php?cssfile=/css/proton-sm.css) (http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37) C On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 04:45 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most likely conflict (if you move beyond numbers into letters) with other shortcut keys on the system and/or assistive technology used. Regarding tab index! I think the page is real easy to tab and the flow seems to be correct? Should I use tab index? No. I use it on my forms pages! Is that the correct way or should I use accesskeys or should I use tab index and accesskeys argh! A real simple explanation would be great... if there is one. Accesskeys are shortcuts, tabindices force a certain tab order. If your forms tab logically and are reasonably short, there's no need for either, in my humble opinion...as they can cause more problems than solve any. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The true measure of ignorance is thinking intelligence is the solution to everything. -ck Chris Kennon Principal ckimedia (www.ckimedia.com) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://thebardwire.blogspot.com/) ph: (619)429-3258 fax: (619)429-3258 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
Too late, it's already in there: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#the-background-image Most of the modules are at working draft stage, see the lot here: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work Andrew. http://leftjustified.net/ On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) Regards -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages
Hi John, Unicode is today the most foolproof way of sending internationalized characters to modern browsers. I use Unired for the purpose: http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/UniRed/ENG/ It's free and it works fine to boot. You should be able to copy/paste into your HTML from Word, PDF and anything that can display Vietnamese characters. Choose charset UTF-8 (not UTF-8 BOM) when saving. Next you need to tell the browser about the encoding. The standard compliant way is to use http headers. On Apache just add a line with 'AddDefaultCharset utf-8' to your .htaccess. Not sure about other kinds of server. Just to be safe put 'meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8'into the head of the document (as soon in the source as possible). Don't forget to mark up properly the Vietnamese content with div lang=vi or such... Well, that's more or less all. djn John Horner wrote: So, do I code the page in UTF-8? I don't use a special Vietnamese encoding? begin:vcard fn:Dejan Kozina n:Kozina;Dejan org:Dejan Kozina Web Design Studio adr:;;Dolina 346;Dolina;TS;I-34018;Italy email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+39 348 7355 225 tel;fax:+39 040 228 436 tel;cell:+39 348 7355 225 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.kozina.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
[WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referential cite attribute, is that bad? thanks in advance for your thoughts. Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
G'day I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referential cite attribute, is that bad? Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. This is what the specs have to say about (q and) blockquote: These two elements designate quoted text. BLOCKQUOTE is for long quotations (block-level content) and Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks. ...and... The usage of BLOCKQUOTE to indent text is deprecated in favor of style sheets. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2 Even if blockquote was appropriate, Using the cite attribute to refer to the page already being presented seems self-defeating. The value of this attribute is a URI that designates a source document or message. This attribute is intended to give information about the source from which the quotation was borrowed. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#adef-cite-Q Note that if this were a HTML email, the use of q or blockquote and cite attribute (and perhaps the cite element) would be appropriate, since I am QUOTING, verbatim, from another document and referring to the (external) source for reference :-) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
On 17 feb 2005, at 03.14, David R wrote: I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? You don't. If you use unicode, you don't have to use character references. /Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Around We Go
On 16 feb 2005, at 21.33, Chris Kennon wrote: This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? Take a look at these: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box_revisited/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ flexible_box_with_custom_corners_and_borders/ /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
