Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Wayne Godfrey]

I actually got it to work using a little bit of everyone's information. 
Thanks to everyone who helped out...


w

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On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Kevin Futter wrote:


On 1/7/05 12:41 PM, "Wayne Godfrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ideally I would like to use only one image at it's largest size, say
200px wide, I can control the width, what I have no control over is 
the

height. I also need the image to float right (sorry to be so needy!)
and ideally I would like to get to two or three classes to solve this,
IF indeed the images will constrain. I've found this code and it 
works:


#zoom a img {
float:right;
height: 198px;
width: 150px;
margin: 0 15px 5px 5px;
}

#zoom a:hover img {
height: 329px;
width: 250px;
}

But like I said, this requires me to code each image individually,
using the above or even what you've given me below, can I eliminate 
the

"height" and keep the image constrained?


If I understand correctly what you're trying to do, then yes, the 
images
will remain constrained at the width you set, with the browser 
automatically
adjusting the height to preserve the image's aspect ratio. Just leave 
the
height declaration out of your CSS and/or HTML. You'll get a fixed 
width

with variable height.

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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Paul Novitski]

At 07:41 PM 6/30/2005, Wayne Godfrey wrote:
But like I said, this requires me to code each image individually, using 
the above or even what you've given me below, can I eliminate the "height" 
and keep the image constrained?


At 06:00 PM 6/30/2005, Bert Doorn wrote:
If you don't specify a height on the image, but do specify a width (be 
that in css or in the html), the height should adjust automatically (once 
the browser has fetched the image and knows its dimensions).



To reiterate: If the image is foreground (= an img tag in the HTML), you 
only need to stipulate one dimension -- either the height or the width -- 
and the browser will render the image at that size in proportion to its 
original dimensions.


Try it!

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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Kevin Futter]

On 1/7/05 12:41 PM, "Wayne Godfrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ideally I would like to use only one image at it's largest size, say
> 200px wide, I can control the width, what I have no control over is the
> height. I also need the image to float right (sorry to be so needy!)
> and ideally I would like to get to two or three classes to solve this,
> IF indeed the images will constrain. I've found this code and it works:
> 
> #zoom a img {
> float:right;
> height: 198px;
> width: 150px;
> margin: 0 15px 5px 5px;
> }
> 
> #zoom a:hover img {
> height: 329px;
> width: 250px;
> }
> 
> But like I said, this requires me to code each image individually,
> using the above or even what you've given me below, can I eliminate the
> "height" and keep the image constrained?

If I understand correctly what you're trying to do, then yes, the images
will remain constrained at the width you set, with the browser automatically
adjusting the height to preserve the image's aspect ratio. Just leave the
height declaration out of your CSS and/or HTML. You'll get a fixed width
with variable height.

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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Wayne Godfrey]

Ideally I would like to use only one image at it's largest size, say 
200px wide, I can control the width, what I have no control over is the 
height. I also need the image to float right (sorry to be so needy!) 
and ideally I would like to get to two or three classes to solve this, 
IF indeed the images will constrain. I've found this code and it works:


#zoom a img {
float:right;
height: 198px;
width: 150px;
margin: 0 15px 5px 5px;
}

#zoom a:hover img {
height: 329px;
width: 250px;
}

But like I said, this requires me to code each image individually, 
using the above or even what you've given me below, can I eliminate the 
"height" and keep the image constrained?


w

Wayne Godfrey
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On Jun 30, 2005, at 10:12 PM, Paul Novitski wrote:


At 06:00 PM 6/30/2005, Bert Doorn wrote:
If the image is to be replaced on hover, you'll probably need 
javascript (someone correct me if it can be done with CSS)



CSS can't replace foreground images but certainly can replace 
background images:


.Products a
{
display: block;
width: 100px;
height: 200px;
background: url("somethingSmall.jpg") no-repeat;
}
.Products a:hover
{
width: 200px;
height: 400px;
background: url("somethingLarge.jpg") no-repeat;
}

At 11:36 AM 6/30/2005, Wayne Godfrey wrote:
I have tons of images, very few the same size and coding each 
individually is nuts, even for me! Is it possible using CSS to 
constrain the image sizes by creating two or three classes, whereby 
the image width becomes fixed and the height constrains accordingly, 
using percentages, ems or ???



A potential problem with this background-image solution is that you 
have to stipulate the image's container dimensions in the stylesheet.


Note that I didn't say you had to stipulate the image's own 
dimensions.  Because I've set the background to no-repeat, the image 
will appear only once even if the container is larger than the image.  
Therefore this kind of solution could work if you knew the maximum 
actual image dimensions.


Background-images also cannot be sized on the fly -- they'll show up 
at their original dimensions, regardless of the container's size.


Also, there will be a download delay on hover unless you pre-load the 
large images.


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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Paul Novitski]

At 06:00 PM 6/30/2005, Bert Doorn wrote:
If the image is to be replaced on hover, you'll probably need javascript 
(someone correct me if it can be done with CSS)



CSS can't replace foreground images but certainly can replace background 
images:


.Products a
{
display: block;
width: 100px;
height: 200px;
background: url("somethingSmall.jpg") no-repeat;
}
.Products a:hover
{
width: 200px;
height: 400px;
background: url("somethingLarge.jpg") no-repeat;
}

At 11:36 AM 6/30/2005, Wayne Godfrey wrote:
I have tons of images, very few the same size and coding each individually 
is nuts, even for me! Is it possible using CSS to constrain the image 
sizes by creating two or three classes, whereby the image width becomes 
fixed and the height constrains accordingly, using percentages, ems or ???



A potential problem with this background-image solution is that you have to 
stipulate the image's container dimensions in the stylesheet.


Note that I didn't say you had to stipulate the image's own 
dimensions.  Because I've set the background to no-repeat, the image will 
appear only once even if the container is larger than the image.  Therefore 
this kind of solution could work if you knew the maximum actual image 
dimensions.


Background-images also cannot be sized on the fly -- they'll show up at 
their original dimensions, regardless of the container's size.


Also, there will be a download delay on hover unless you pre-load the large 
images.


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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Wayne Godfrey]

The pages are set to load only four products and images at a time, so 
hopefully that won't be too much of a drain to dial-up connections. My 
choice would be to use only one image (and as little js as possible!), 
so I'll give your way I try and see what happens. Thank you so much.


w

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On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Bert Doorn wrote:


G'day

Wayne Godfrey wrote:
Is it possible using CSS to constrain the image sizes by creating two 
or three classes, whereby the image width becomes fixed and the 
height constrains accordingly, using percentages, ems or ???


If you don't specify a height on the image, but do specify a width (be 
that in css or in the html), the height should adjust automatically 
(once the browser has fetched the image and knows its dimensions).


Quick css example:
.ProductLink img { width: 100px; }
.ProductLink:hover img { width: 200px; }

Or better still, set it on the container, e.g.
.Products a img { width: 100px; }
.Products a:hover img { width: 200px; }

AFAIK, the only problem with not specifying height is that the browser 
won't know how much space to reserve for the image in its layout.  It 
will then either adjust things as the page loads or delay displaying 
it until the images are loaded.   Could be a problem if there's a lot 
of them, especially on dial-up.


If the image is to be replaced on hover, you'll probably need 
javascript (someone correct me if it can be done with CSS)


HTH
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Re: [WSG] IE and linux

[Bruce Morrison]

Hi

I use IE (and word, excel etc) in Linux using CodeWeavers
http://www.codeweavers.com/ CrossOver Office Product
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/

It is commercial and I believe it's based on WINE.

Cheers
Bruce


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> Hi,
> My computer had windows and linux on it, but like to do most of my work
> in linux. This is a bit of a problem when it comes to making my css work
> for the browser we all know and hate, IE. Lately I've been doing
> everying in linux and then copying it over to Windows (cause windows
> can't read linux drives) and making a custom css file for IE. However,
> this is quite a pain, esspecially if I get a good idea while doing this
> and want to change something else then I have 2 versions to worry about.
> 
> I tried googling it but I didn't get any luck. Does anyone here know if
> it's possible using WINE or something? Are there and HOWTO's around?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [WSG] Constraining images

[Bert Doorn]

G'day

Wayne Godfrey wrote:
Is it possible using CSS to constrain the image sizes by creating 
two or three classes, whereby the image width becomes fixed and the 
height constrains accordingly, using percentages, ems or ???


If you don't specify a height on the image, but do specify a 
width (be that in css or in the html), the height should adjust 
automatically (once the browser has fetched the image and knows 
its dimensions).


Quick css example:
.ProductLink img { width: 100px; }
.ProductLink:hover img { width: 200px; }

Or better still, set it on the container, e.g.
.Products a img { width: 100px; }
.Products a:hover img { width: 200px; }

AFAIK, the only problem with not specifying height is that the 
browser won't know how much space to reserve for the image in its 
layout.  It will then either adjust things as the page loads or 
delay displaying it until the images are loaded.   Could be a 
problem if there's a lot of them, especially on dial-up.


If the image is to be replaced on hover, you'll probably need 
javascript (someone correct me if it can be done with CSS)


HTH
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Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

[heretic]

> > I'm not sure that I've seen much online on the topic, though. So I
> > guess this didn't really help, sorry :(
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-alt-pages

Heh, I don't really count WC3 recommendations as "online articles" :)

h

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Re: [WSG] IE and linux

[George S. Williams]

Hey, Alan,

I have much the same situation here. My main box runs RHEL3 and Win2000.
The Windows half is used maybe 5% of the time, mostly for Photoshop. All
of my Web development takes place on the Web server in the Linux half.

To check the sites in Windows browsers, I use the box on the next desk
which is running XP, has various IE's (5.0, 5.5 and 6) installed and is
networked to the Linux Box. I can also connect a notebook and use it the
same way. In fact, I often use the notebook, ssh into the Linux box and
write code there, and check it by browsing in Windows on the notebook.

If you want to access the Linux drive(s) from Windows, two applications
I have used are-

Explore2fs - http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
for ext2 and ext3 filesystems

and
RFSGUI-
http://www.wolfsheep.com/map/
for Reiser filesystems

Both of these also work with an external firewire ext2 drive.
Unfortunately, writing to Linux from Windows is a problem.

I haven't tried WINE lately, so I can't comment on it.

In my opinion, using a second Windows box across the local network is
the best way of doing this.

Later,
George


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> Hi,
> My computer had windows and linux on it, but like to do most of my work
> in linux. This is a bit of a problem when it comes to making my css work
> for the browser we all know and hate, IE. Lately I've been doing
> everying in linux and then copying it over to Windows (cause windows
> can't read linux drives) and making a custom css file for IE. However,
> this is quite a pain, esspecially if I get a good idea while doing this
> and want to change something else then I have 2 versions to worry about.
> 
> I tried googling it but I didn't get any luck. Does anyone here know if
> it's possible using WINE or something? Are there and HOWTO's around?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan Trick
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Re: [WSG] Javascript inserted alt text

[JoAnn Gonzalez-Major]

Josh,

There is a article posted on  A List Apart titled "A Better Image Rotator"
that may be worth looking at.

JoAnn

>
> I'm using javascript for an image slideshow, I've
> written the script and unhappily remembered the alt
> text.  I don't want generic alt text for the whole
> lot, because the subject changes, so I need to have
> javascript insert new alt text for each image.
>
> Now I'm no javascripter, but I'm guessing it may be a
> fair bit of work to this?  Can anyone help?  If it's
> gonna mean re-writing the whole script then is there a
> way other than through javascript?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Josh.
>
>
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Re: [WSG] IE and linux

[Randall Potter]

Hello,
	There are a number of emulators that will allow you to run windows on 
top of Linux, VMware and win4lin being a couple of the best although 
they are commercial.  I have heard of people being able to run IE under 
wine but with buggy results which, can add to your headaches trying to 
decipher if the problem is with the browser or the emulator.  If you 
have an old box you could spare, you can try loading windows on that and 
running tightVNC so that you can see what IE's output looks like under 
native conditions.  The other thing you could try is making a "shared" 
FAT32 partition (which would be readable and writable by both).


	At this point I'd like to point out that version control is your 
friend.  I use subversion as my source repository, it works similar to 
CVS but has support for binary files.  That way you could keep track of 
all your changes in one place.


Hope this helps,

Randall

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Re: [WSG] IE and linux

[Svip]

Hmm... According to winehq.org, WINE should run IE. I don't have
Windows install anymore, so I haven't been able to check it. Instead I
lent my father's machine when checking the pages in IE. But in most
cases IE doesn't bother me, but when I need to see it in IE, I have to
lent a Windows machine.

But yes, I am quite sure WINE should be able to do it. You can always
get the newest version from winehq.org, or download it through one of
the major distros' package system:

Debian/Ubuntu:
# apt-get install wine

Gentoo:
# emerge wine

SuSE:
# yast wine

I don't know about Red Hat/Fedora Core, since I've never really tried
those. But downloading it off the site for it would be my first go.

On 30/06/05, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> My computer had windows and linux on it, but like to do most of my work
> in linux. This is a bit of a problem when it comes to making my css work
> for the browser we all know and hate, IE. Lately I've been doing
> everying in linux and then copying it over to Windows (cause windows
> can't read linux drives) and making a custom css file for IE. However,
> this is quite a pain, esspecially if I get a good idea while doing this
> and want to change something else then I have 2 versions to worry about.
> 
> I tried googling it but I didn't get any luck. Does anyone here know if
> it's possible using WINE or something? Are there and HOWTO's around?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan Trick
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[WSG] IE and linux

[Alan Trick]

Hi,
My computer had windows and linux on it, but like to do most of my work
in linux. This is a bit of a problem when it comes to making my css work
for the browser we all know and hate, IE. Lately I've been doing
everying in linux and then copying it over to Windows (cause windows
can't read linux drives) and making a custom css file for IE. However,
this is quite a pain, esspecially if I get a good idea while doing this
and want to change something else then I have 2 versions to worry about.

I tried googling it but I didn't get any luck. Does anyone here know if
it's possible using WINE or something? Are there and HOWTO's around?

Thanks,
Alan Trick
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Re: [WSG] A web culture THREAD CLOSED

[russ - maxdesign]

Hi all,
This thread has been quite interesting but unfortunately it is totally off
topic.

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Re: [WSG] A web culture

[Svip]

We could make our own? Hmmm... I've got a bass. :P

Anyways, I have heard a lot of songs about the Internet. Most songs on
the Internet, but also some by normal bands.

I think DeviantArt should have some Web Art, aye? And isn't webdesign an art? :P

/me runs.

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> Laurie Anderson did Puppet Motel years ago, on her Bright Red CD. More
> or less about IRC.
> 
> On 6/30/05, Thomas Ditmars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Piero Fissore wrote:
> >
> > > Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about
> > > web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it
> > > will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in.
> > >
> > > Why? Why do not exist a web culture?
> >
> > "Weballergy" by Sonata Arctica. It's a song more or less about Internet
> > addiction.
> >
> > (Granted, it's a heavy metal song, so it's not exactly "mainstream".)
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Re: [WSG] A web culture

[Mark B]

Laurie Anderson did Puppet Motel years ago, on her Bright Red CD. More
or less about IRC.

On 6/30/05, Thomas Ditmars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Piero Fissore wrote:
> 
> > Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about
> > web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it
> > will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in.
> >
> > Why? Why do not exist a web culture?
> 
> "Weballergy" by Sonata Arctica. It's a song more or less about Internet
> addiction.
> 
> (Granted, it's a heavy metal song, so it's not exactly "mainstream".)
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[WSG] Constraining images

[Wayne Godfrey]

The site I'm working on loads images and product descriptions via a 
database to my page template. As it now stands, there is a headline, 
body copy and one image that usually floats right. The image and 
headline also serve as links to the product's web site. I would like to 
be able to enlarge the image but not lose the link. I've seen the use 
of zoom images whereby, on rollover, the image enlarges changing the 
flow of the text. I like the effect, the problem is, I have tons of 
images, very few the same size and coding each individually is nuts, 
even for me! Is it possible using CSS to constrain the image sizes by 
creating two or three classes, whereby the image width becomes fixed 
and the height constrains accordingly, using percentages, ems or ???


Or am I totally out in left field and this can only be accomplished 
through either client- or server-side solutions? Any help will be 
greatly appreciated.


wayne

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[WSG] Javascript inserted alt text

[Josh Rose]

I'm using javascript for an image slideshow, I've
written the script and unhappily remembered the alt
text.  I don't want generic alt text for the whole
lot, because the subject changes, so I need to have
javascript insert new alt text for each image.

Now I'm no javascripter, but I'm guessing it may be a
fair bit of work to this?  Can anyone help?  If it's
gonna mean re-writing the whole script then is there a
way other than through javascript?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: underline accessibility (was Re: [WSG] Visited Link Sty ling)

[Jan Brasna]

Sure, Ted, the solution is pretty obvious, I've tested light background 
for highlighting, and it works as intended aswell.


I was only interested in the accessibility issue of the default behavior 
- it seems a bit contra-productive for me.


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Re: [WSG] Playing a MIDI

[Paul Dwyer]

MIDI files are considerably smaller than WAV and/MP3. They have a
distinct "sound" however, being 100% synthesis.

pd

On 6/30/05, Bert Doorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day

> Besides, going back to Angus' original post: "I also chose MIDI
> because WAV and/MP3 would take to long to download." How does
> this "player" change that?
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RE: underline accessibility (was Re: [WSG] Visited Link Sty ling)

[Drake, Ted C.]

Hi Jan

It's funny you mentioned this. I just noticed the underline in an inserted
comment on my blog and thought, well, let's expand on the visited link idea.

I just added this to my blog:

ins {display:block; text-decoration:none; margin:5px 0;}
ins:before {
color: #039;
font-weight: normal;
content: "looky - new info from ted:";  

}

* html ins {border-top:1px solid #039;}

I added the border on the top for IE to make it stand out from the text.
You can see the result at www.tdrake.net

Ted

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> that the link was deactivated when it has a strike through

Russ, it's an OT in this thread, but it is connected with this - not 
with , but with  -- is the underline accessible? You know, 
it's widely spread that only links should have the underline, but I 
noticed it just few days ago that browsers use underlining for inserted 
text by default. Is this alright?

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Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,


The following article inspired the question:
http://webdesign.maratz.com/lab/visited_links_styling/


CK
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On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote:

I don't remember where I borrowed this from, kudos to the original  
designer.

Sorry that my notes have gotten lost.

It applies a nice checkmark to your visited link

a:visited:after {
color: #039;
font-weight: normal;
content: "\00A0\221A";
font-size: 75%;
}

Ted


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Subject: Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

This is less of a standards question and more usability.

There may be some users that think that the link was deactivated (and
therefore not able to be used again) when it has a strike through.  
However,
the question would be best resolved with user testing rather than  
hunches.

:)

Russ




Hi,

Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing
opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.

a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }





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Re: [WSG] Playing a MIDI

[Bert Doorn]

G'day

> Main point being, there are programs that add audio and video
> without having to do complex code or have visitors download or
> start a separate application. Perhaps that is too easy and
> simple.

Not looking for a war of words. So I will just add to what I said 
by way of explanation.


"Wimpy is based on the Macromedia Flash plugin, which is standard
issue for internet users -- so visitors won't have to install
anything."

Flash is NOT standard issue - it's a plug-in that does not come 
pre-installed on every system with every browser.  Visitors who 
have not already installed Flash WILL have to install something 
for this to work.


Besides, going back to Angus' original post: "I also chose MIDI 
because WAV and/MP3 would take to long to download." How does 
this "player" change that?



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http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
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Re: [WSG] Playing a MIDI

[Angus at InfoForce Services]

Thank you for all the responses. I mainly chose MIDI for accessibility to 
Dial up users. I would rather use MP3 myself. So am I reading correctly, it 
is possible to have a valid line  of code in my xhtml that will play the 
audio file regardless of OS?

Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin -  Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president
Choroideremia Research Foundation Canada Inc. 1st Vice President
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underline accessibility (was Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling)

[Jan Brasna]

that the link was deactivated when it has a strike through


Russ, it's an OT in this thread, but it is connected with this - not 
with , but with  -- is the underline accessible? You know, 
it's widely spread that only links should have the underline, but I 
noticed it just few days ago that browsers use underlining for inserted 
text by default. Is this alright?


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Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

[Jan Brasna]

Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing  opinions 
on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.

a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }


I use it, but not on "mainstream" web site, it's more like my personal 
playground, so I can do it. Honestly - I wouldn't use it on some kind of 
commercial (or so..) web, a small part of the visitors told me about the 
worse readibility of the link below, and theyre right, it's IMHO a bit 
less usable.



I don't remember where I borrowed this from, kudos to the original designer.


It's something Simon Collison or Bojan Janjanin promoted.

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RE: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

[Drake, Ted C.]

I don't remember where I borrowed this from, kudos to the original designer.
Sorry that my notes have gotten lost.

It applies a nice checkmark to your visited link

a:visited:after {
color: #039;
font-weight: normal;
content: "\00A0\221A";
font-size: 75%;
}

Ted


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To: Web Standards Group
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

This is less of a standards question and more usability.

There may be some users that think that the link was deactivated (and
therefore not able to be used again) when it has a strike through. However,
the question would be best resolved with user testing rather than hunches.
:)

Russ


> Hi,
> 
> Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing
> opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.
> 
> a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }
> 
>

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Re: [WSG] A web culture

[Thomas Ditmars]

Piero Fissore wrote:


Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about
web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it
will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in.

Why? Why do not exist a web culture?


"Weballergy" by Sonata Arctica. It's a song more or less about Internet
addiction.

(Granted, it's a heavy metal song, so it's not exactly "mainstream".)

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Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling

[russ - maxdesign]

This is less of a standards question and more usability.

There may be some users that think that the link was deactivated (and
therefore not able to be used again) when it has a strike through. However,
the question would be best resolved with user testing rather than hunches.
:)

Russ


> Hi,
> 
> Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing
> opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.
> 
> a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }
> 
>

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[WSG] Visited Link Styling

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing  
opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.


a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }





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Re: [WSG] Playing a MIDI

[Bruce]

A 10 second look without assumptions would show it is neither hype NOR a
plugin.
It runs on the server and does what it says it does.
Main point being, there are programs that add audio and video without having
to do complex code or have visitors download or start a separate
application. Perhaps that is too easy and simple.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions

Bert Doorn  wrote:
> Marketing hype, and yet another plug-in to download.
>
> I haven't tried adding a MIDI file to a site for a long time (not
> since I was a hobbyist) but in theory you should be able to use
> the object element for it.  Give it a type="audio/midi" and see
> what happens.
>
> Regards
> -- 
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> http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
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Re: [WSG] A web culture (exist)

[miletto]

Ciao Piero,

Maybe you should reformulate your question.
i think the web culture exist, even non explicit as in many cases.

In a simple search you can find lots of "virtual musical instruments" for
example:
http://www.soundtoys.net/a/links/index.html
http://www.iua.upf.es/~sergi/FMOL/
http://www.pitchweb.net/
http://gouda.dcs.qmul.ac.uk/

Books like Cyberculture - Pierre Lévy.
http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/L/levy_cyberculture.html

Cyberculture: An Annotated Bibliography

In addition, we have a research field called computer music,
(see www.computermusic.org), in wich there a lot of publications related to the
web.

Conferences in this field nowadays call for papers that aproach networked music,
like:
http://www.icmc2005.org/
http://www.wedelmusic.org/

i am developing a thesis where a web-based environment for cooperative music
prototyping is being created, and i am learned a lot of web standards here, in
order to apply theirs concepts in this environment.
My idea is that using CSCW, HCI and web standards concepts in computer music on
the web, is possible to allow lay people in music create and discuss/argument
about cooperative music prototypes and, this way,create their own culture on
the web.

Regards
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http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~miletto


Citando Piero Fissore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I
> mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it
> again). It seams like art isn't interested in.
>
> Why? Why do not exist a web culture?
>



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Re: [WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing wrapper!

[Zachary Hopkins]

You probably could get the line break to work, but you'd still have to 
give it some dimension.  You had line-height:0.


Glad I could help!

--Zachary

jackie reid wrote:


Thank you Zackary... I accept the fix with real gratitude.

I am confused though. I have been using that  bizo 
for ages and ages and usually it works perfectly. Why wouldnt it work 
this time?


I have slightly changed the way i built this site after reading the 
div mania article posted on the wsg site the other day and realised 
that most of my sites were suffering from it, maybe this has changed 
the reaction of the br class clear thing and made it defunct. Who 
knows. One thing  i do know is that we cant take anything for granted 
in this game. Just cos it worked yesterday doesnt mean its going to 
work today.


Once again thanks heaps for your help

jackie


- Original Message - From: "Zachary Hopkins" 
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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing wrapper!



I've had this problem before.

It involves a 0-height object not clearing.  There needs to some
dimension to an object that clears another.
I've uploaded a copy to my site for you to check out.

I've modified the page to be valid XHTML 1.0 Strict, given your doctype.

The changes are commented, but I've changed the clearing object to be a
div and I've given it some dimension.
Changed CSS: .clear{ clear: both;height:1px;}

http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/wsg_fx_ent/index.htm

Hope it helps!

--Zachary

jackie reid wrote:


Hi List
 I dont understand whats going on here at all.
 http://www.fxenterprises.com.au/index.htm
 the white wrapper div is just not containing the content. Or rather 
sometimes it is and sometimes its not.
 when you first go into the site the wrapper doesnt stretch, if you 
use the navigation and move to another page it seems ok. but when 
you refresh the screen whompa... its the amazing disappearing 
wrapper thing again.

 Please shed light on the subject if you can.
 Thanks again list.
 Jackie




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[WSG] Re: looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

[Laura Carlson]

Does anyone know of a good online article/resource to help me out?


I have some text-only refs linked at:
http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/accessibility#textonly

Laura
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RE: [WSG] A web culture

[Peter Goddard]

Hi all
 
The internet has been instrumental for musicians/artists 
trying to make a living, for those without recording contracts/commissions or 
for those who want to stay independent. The same applies to other art areas. 

 
Like anything web driven, its out there, all you have to do 
is look for it.
 
Unsigned bands/singers/composers
Podcasting
Painters
Theatre Groups
 
All of these take advantage of a wider audience than ever 
before available. We as web-developers/designers are there to help them. If you 
are passionate about any of these things get involved! The extent of this 
goes far beyond a couple of mediocre films. Look at the seed changes in culture 
in web enabled countries,  you'll find plenty of evidence that the web has 
changed a great deal about the way we live our lives. 
 
As far as books go, do an Amazon search for Matt Beaumont, 
he's right there on the button ('E: a novel', the E before Christmas). 

 
Its a good discussion point, but not for this list perhaps. 

 
All the best
 
Peter Goddard


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culture

Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I 
mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it 
again). It seams like art isn't interested in.
Why? Why do not exist a web culture?
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Re: [WSG] Embedding quicktime movie and xhtml validation

[Jan Brasna]

I'd use analogically the satay method...

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[WSG] Embedding quicktime movie and xhtml validation

[tee]

Hi, I need to embed quicktime movie to a website and found a script that
passes the xhtml validation from a google search. Although there are
comments left by people who have used the script, still, before I implement
it I would like to have a second opinion how well the script handles with
most of the browsers.
http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/01/26/web-standards-compliant-javascript-quic
ktime-detect-and-embed/

Thanks!

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RE: [WSG] A web culture

[Nicola Rae]

Piero,

 

I think there are quite a few movies
dealing with the web e.g. ‘The Net’, Sandra Bullock, 1995.

Also, the web is used to promote art
culture. Why do u think that art culture isn’t interested?

 

Nikki

 



Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales,
Web Profit

 

Providers of internet marketing
services and accessible ebusiness solutions.

 

Nicola Rae

Maxima Consult

www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk

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Why there
is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I mean, it's an
instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it again). It seams
like art isn't interested in.

Why? Why
do not exist a web culture?

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Martin Heiden]

Jan,

> So I started to use the FlashObject...

And I don't like to depend on JavaScript... ;-)

But it's good to have both methods: you can choose.

Martin

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Re: [WSG] A web culture

[Jan Brasna]

Movie? "The Net", "Matrix"... ;)

Song? 

Book? Uh, plenty (I mean, not technical, but more obvious some sociology 
etc. ...)


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[WSG] A web culture

[Piero Fissore]

Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in.
Why? Why do not exist a web culture?

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Jan Brasna]

I use IE Conditional Comments:

Isn't it a bit overkill?

Why do you think so?


Having the code twice, you know... I don't (personally) like the idea of 
having these two block separately.



I had some problems with flash satay and IE 5.x so I switched over to
this method. And if you don't use loads of small flash movies in a
page it's not too much overhead.


So I started to use the FlashObject...

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Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Martin Heiden]

Jan,

Am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2005 um 10:28:18 haben Sie geschrieben:

>> I use IE Conditional Comments:

> Isn't it a bit overkill?

Why do you think so?

I had some problems with flash satay and IE 5.x so I switched over to
this method. And if you don't use loads of small flash movies in a
page it's not too much overhead.

But I think it's a question of personal preference.

Martin.

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Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Jan Brasna]

I use IE Conditional Comments:


Isn't it a bit overkill?

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Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Martin Heiden]

Erwin,

Am Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 um 19:16:22 haben Sie geschrieben:

> I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so
> that it still validates.

I use IE Conditional Comments:


  




  


regards,

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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Mikhail Bozgounov]

[QUOTE]
From: "James Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:45:58 +0100
Subject: drop shadows

Hi all,

I have a site www.flashforprogrammers.com, each page ‘floats’ on a background 
with a dropshadow. I’m no HTML fiend, a friend told me how to add the drop 
shadow. It’s done thus:




…content


[/QUOTE]


My notes on that would be:

1) As mentioned already, this will work *only* in IE browsers.
2) ...So I would suggest a very popular technique, widely used, using a small 
GIF image and a bit of CSS. It works in nearly every browser nowadays, and is 
easy to implement. Details you may find here:

a) http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/14/49/
b) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssdropshadows/
c) http://wubbleyew.com/tests/dropshadows.htm

Cheers, Michel
Webdesigner Freelancer
(sometimes not so free;-)

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Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá Erwin,

I've been using the reusable FlashObject script from Geoff Stearns and I 
think that it is the best and more efficient method around, because, 
with Flash Satay method, if you have a series of movies, you would need 
to create a series of small loaders which is just not practical. And the 
direct communication of variables between the page and the flash movie 
and back again is not questioned. And it provides validation... based on 
a hack, sure, but still validation, with no harm done to the users or to 
the standards - I just hope that Macromedia and browser's developers 
resolve this situation quickly as flash format is not something that we 
can just forget and put aside.

http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/

Cumprimentos,

Roberto



Erwin Heiser wrote:


Hi all,

So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a
few flash elements (like a slideshow).
I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay
I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so
that it still validates.
Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions?
(I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional)
Thanks in advance,
Erwin Heiser


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