Re: [WSG] css generating i.e security pop up
IE will give you a security alert when you try to run a script from your hard drive. You can change this setting in IE pref's or you can insert a 'mark of the web' to force the offending page(s) to run in the intranet or internet zone... google it. kind regards, Terrence Wood. On 1/03/2007, at 3:31 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi, Im using the pure css - alphaimageloader hack for png transparency. The problem is that its setting of a security warning in ie 6. The pngs will only show up if you click ok and allow the script. How should i handle this? Is there anything i can do to make this less obtrusive? www.mcmonagle.biz/arena7 -best kevin mcmonagle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Hi I'm currently developing a stylesheet for handheld devices. However while testing I have noticed that the javascript I've written for screen browsers is still being implemented while testing with handhelds, causing a few problems. Does anyone have any advice on how I can check if the device accessing the page is handheld or screen and offer up the relevant javascript? Thanks Lee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Will major search engines for phones take any notice of javascript? Google http://www.google.com/xhtml/ Ask http://m.ask.com/ They ignore stylesheets even if you make one for small screens! They strip the page headers of meta tags, linked javascript gone is my guess? Should we give up making pages for small screen? Just W3C validate and accessibility test. Some user agents in server logs show a different user agent phone type like nokia et al. Tim On 01/03/2007, at 8:25 PM, Lee Powell wrote: Hi I'm currently developing a stylesheet for handheld devices. However while testing I have noticed that the javascript I've written for screen browsers is still being implemented while testing with handhelds, causing a few problems. Does anyone have any advice on how I can check if the device accessing the page is handheld or screen and offer up the relevant javascript? Thanks Lee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] unobtrusive js help
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. I bought a few books and with them, managed to convert most, but I still have a few that defy my very limited skills. Where could I go for help in converting these? Thanks. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] alternative to target=_blank in xhtml 1.1
I use a javascript that run into the ul list links and give them a
target=_blank on fly if someone click it.
I know that this may not be the best way, some people wouldn´t know
that a new window will open. I try in the some script to use a abbr
title=new windowNW/abbr inside of the a and only if they click
in abbr will open in new window.
for now it just give a target=_blank to specifics links.
www.waynext.pt
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function popup(popthis) {
popthis.setAttribute(target,_blank);
}
function outlinks() {
if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return false;
if (!document.getElementById(clientes)) return false;
var clientes = document.getElementById(clientes);
var links = clientes.getElementsByTagName(a);
for ( var i=0; i links.length; i++) {
links[i].onclick = function() {
return popup(this);
}
links[i].onkeypress = links[i].onclick;
}
}
function addLoadEvent(func) {
var oldonload = window.onload;
if (typeof window.onload != 'function') {
window.onload = func;
} else {
window.onload = function() {
oldonload();
func();
}
}
}
addLoadEvent(outlinks);
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On 25/02/07, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ricky Onsman wrote:
When it comes down to it, I think most people (and yes, that means
people using IE) will just left-click on a link. If you want
something particular to happen, you'd better code it in.
I think we're going in circles here, and it doesn't look like they are
entirely within best practices and/or web standards.
Problem:
1: Properly served XHTML 1.1 (as 'application/xhtml+xml') doesn't show
up as much in IE. (Shouldn't be any different on an intranet, but maybe
it is..? )
2: Alternatives to target=_blank is needed because people using IE
don't know how to open links in new windows and will just left-click on
a link.
Solution:
1: On the web most people (and yes, that means people using IE) won't,
or at least should not[1], see the XHTML 1.1 document at all, so most
people won't need to open its links anywhere.
2: If IE users _can_ see the XHTML 1.1 document - regardless of whether
its on an intranet or out on the world wide web, then it isn't really
following standards anyway. No valid alternative to target=_blank will
improve much on that.
3: If IE is excluded and all is according to standards, then _any_
method that isn't deprecated in the XHTML 1.1 standard, can be used to
circumvent that particular standard. Enough alternatives in this thread
already.
I think I derailed in a curve - somewhere :-)
Georg
[1]http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#summary
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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Rather than just dissing someone else's contribution, why don't you come up with a viable alternative instead? On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:41:41 +1000, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sarah, I would not recommend that a government department employs anyone who does not themselves conform with W3C document validation or the requirements of the 1992 disability Discrimination Act. hiser.com.au don't seem to write validated documents and their home page is full of inaccessible forms with no fieldset of legend tags. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hiser.com.au%2F If validity and accessibility are cousins of useability then the whole family could be in trouble. If you do contact hiser insist on training involving W3C valid documents which are accessible, Tim Anderson http://www.hereticpress.com On 01/03/2007, at 11:53 AM, Nguyen, Anh MS wrote: Sarah, Why don't you contact 'Hitser' currently providing Usability training and also consultancy. Usability consulting includes: Accessibility evaluations Expert reviews Forms design Information architecture design Usability testing User interface design Wesite: www.hiser.com.au Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phy phone on 02 9954 8970. Regards Anh Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Hughes Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:58 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor Hi, We are looking for someone reliable (and good) to subcontract Usability work out to. Can anyone recommend a company/business who could be suitable for on site work in the Canberra area? Thanks, Sarah *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
What a statement! Are we hear for W3C standards or fiction? ANyone touting for work here should be fairly subject to at least W3C validation tests! Or else! What are the standards? A viable alternative Validated W3C XHTML 1.0 Strict with multiple stylesheet options. http://www.hereticpress.com Tim On 01/03/2007, at 1:00 PM, John Faulds wrote: Rather than just dissing someone else's contribution, why don't you come up with a viable alternative instead? On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:41:41 +1000, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sarah, I would not recommend that a government department employs anyone who does not themselves conform with W3C document validation or the requirements of the 1992 disability Discrimination Act. hiser.com.au don't seem to write validated documents and their home page is full of inaccessible forms with no fieldset of legend tags. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hiser.com.au%2F If validity and accessibility are cousins of useability then the whole family could be in trouble. If you do contact hiser insist on training involving W3C valid documents which are accessible, Tim Anderson http://www.hereticpress.com On 01/03/2007, at 11:53 AM, Nguyen, Anh MS wrote: Sarah, Why don't you contact 'Hitser' currently providing Usability training and also consultancy. Usability consulting includes: Accessibility evaluations Expert reviews Forms design Information architecture design Usability testing User interface design Wesite: www.hiser.com.au Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phy phone on 02 9954 8970. Regards Anh Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Hughes Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:58 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor Hi, We are looking for someone reliable (and good) to subcontract Usability work out to. Can anyone recommend a company/business who could be suitable for on site work in the Canberra area? Thanks, Sarah *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Mike Brown wrote: - we don't want to get into a debate as to which usability consultants are good or not, or even what makes a good usability consultant Sarah, usability standards conversations are a hot topic over at the evolt.org list. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Tim wrote: My meta tag base href were taken out of pages by ask.com the mobile version http://m.ask.com/ This allowed them to run my site by relative URLs on their server with fake paypal links en all. Jesus, that's horrible! Excuse my ignorance. It seems then, that all the best opportunities for designers to optimise for small devices and screen readers are being usurped by the developers. Do they really know better? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Tim wrote: What a statement! Are we hear for W3C standards or fiction? ANyone touting for work here should be fairly subject to at least W3C validation tests! Or else! What are the standards? I have to back this. In my mind this is exactly what this list is for. If people can't go to the public Web Standards Group list for advice on standards, common sense is failing us. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
They know better I recokon (Aust drawl accent LOL) All we have to do is validate and accesibilitise :-) No, sorry Barney for the pun, I hate the reality I want to make mobile phone stylesheets that will be observed. Javascript and anything else as the Guttenberg designer said to the Pope Tim On 01/03/2007, at 10:47 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: Tim wrote: My meta tag base href were taken out of pages by ask.com the mobile version http://m.ask.com/ This allowed them to run my site by relative URLs on their server with fake paypal links en all. Jesus, that's horrible! Excuse my ignorance. It seems then, that all the best opportunities for designers to optimise for small devices and screen readers are being usurped by the developers. Do they really know better? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
On 1/03/2007, at 10:25 PM, Lee Powell wrote:
Does anyone have any advice on how I can check if the device
accessing the page is handheld or screen and offer up the relevant
javascript?
Best bet - create a mobile specific domain... failing that you could
test for an arbitrary property:
if (screen.width 640) {
// your code
}
kind regards
Terrence Wood
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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
On 01/03/2007, at 1:00 PM, John Faulds wrote: Rather than just dissing someone else's contribution, why don't you come up with a viable alternative instead? On 3/1/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a statement! Are we hear for W3C standards or fiction? ANyone touting for work here should be fairly subject to at least W3C validation tests! Or else! What are the standards? Please. Call the search for a usability contractor off-topic if you will, but it's perfectly possible to have completely unusable sites that are standards-perfect and accessible. That's why people do research into site structures, eyetracking, and loads of other things that have absolutely _nothing_ to do with what markup you are using. That said, validity can be a _part_ of usability (and certainly the only bit of relevance on this list) -- but if people are participating in this list, it seems an awfully odd place to have to convince them of the value of web standards. For the vast majority of users, web standards or not are completely transparent. Accessible and usable websites don't require the separation of presentation and content (yes, I have my riot shield handy) for the overwhelming majority of users -- which is, afterall, what usability testing is about (your testing is only as good as your tester sample). Good websites will accommodate all users, but my understanding of usability testing was that it's more concerned with broader architectural and interaction concerns than the technologies that drive these -- though of course the technologies will have an impact in certain cases. I guess I think this whole thread is off-topic more than anything... but maybe I missed something. By the way, what on earth is A viable alternative Validated W3C XHTML 1.0 Strict with multiple stylesheet options. supposed to mean? and what does that have to do with evaluating websites -- reeling off a list of technologies is not an applied usability solution, and bears absolutely no relation to the original question. ~a generally quite flame-retardant Josh who will hopefully resist touching this thread again p.s. I'm no list mod, but I still recommend responding directly to the OP about this. As Mike (who _is_ a core team member/mod) said, potential sub-contractor usability consultants in Canberra is of absolutely no interest to AT LEAST 96.1% of the list (assuming that _every_ member in Canberra actually cares... which they won't). -- Joshua Street http://josh.st/blog/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Is the percentage of the list who might be interested an objective criteria, for an objective standard like W3C. AT LEAST 96.1% of the list (assuming that _every_ member in Canberra Coming to a town near you, a nip in the W3C bud time saves nine. Tim On 01/03/2007, at 11:12 PM, Joshua Street wrote: On 01/03/2007, at 1:00 PM, John Faulds wrote: Rather than just dissing someone else's contribution, why don't you come up with a viable alternative instead? On 3/1/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a statement! Are we hear for W3C standards or fiction? ANyone touting for work here should be fairly subject to at least W3C validation tests! Or else! What are the standards? Please. Call the search for a usability contractor off-topic if you will, but it's perfectly possible to have completely unusable sites that are standards-perfect and accessible. That's why people do research into site structures, eyetracking, and loads of other things that have absolutely _nothing_ to do with what markup you are using. That said, validity can be a _part_ of usability (and certainly the only bit of relevance on this list) -- but if people are participating in this list, it seems an awfully odd place to have to convince them of the value of web standards. For the vast majority of users, web standards or not are completely transparent. Accessible and usable websites don't require the separation of presentation and content (yes, I have my riot shield handy) for the overwhelming majority of users -- which is, afterall, what usability testing is about (your testing is only as good as your tester sample). Good websites will accommodate all users, but my understanding of usability testing was that it's more concerned with broader architectural and interaction concerns than the technologies that drive these -- though of course the technologies will have an impact in certain cases. I guess I think this whole thread is off-topic more than anything... but maybe I missed something. By the way, what on earth is A viable alternative Validated W3C XHTML 1.0 Strict with multiple stylesheet options. supposed to mean? and what does that have to do with evaluating websites -- reeling off a list of technologies is not an applied usability solution, and bears absolutely no relation to the original question. ~a generally quite flame-retardant Josh who will hopefully resist touching this thread again p.s. I'm no list mod, but I still recommend responding directly to the OP about this. As Mike (who _is_ a core team member/mod) said, potential sub-contractor usability consultants in Canberra is of absolutely no interest to AT LEAST 96.1% of the list (assuming that _every_ member in Canberra actually cares... which they won't). -- Joshua Street http://josh.st/blog/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Um ... as far as I know Hiser, as a rule, don't actually code sites - they try to focus purely on usability. Which I believe was Sarah's original request ... _ Advertisement: Amazing holiday rentals? http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dhol%26cu%3DMSN_t=758874163_r=HM_Txt_Link_Holiday_Oct06_m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Barney Carroll wrote: Excuse my ignorance. It seems then, that all the best opportunities for designers to optimise for small devices and screen readers are being usurped by the developers. Do they really know better? In most cases, sadly they do. The vast majority of sites can't be viewed on mobile devices without help. It seems that there's at least a perception of lack of interest in developing CSS for them. Of course, their lack of CSS support might be why. Which came first: the chicken or the egg? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and usability (was: Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor)
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Mike Brown wrote: or even what makes a good usability consultant Perhaps, but I think what makes for usability itself should be a concern to us all. What are standards for after all? Is writing valid code an end in itself, or a means to an end? As I see it, it must be a means to an end, and that end is usability. Standards compliance tends towards maximising accessibility, and accessibility is the gatekeeper of usability: if a site is inaccessible then by definition it's unusable. Unfortunately, however, just because site is accessible, it is not necessarily usable. (The maze at Hampton Court is certainly accessible to almost any group I can think of - does that make it an ideal model for, say, the lobby of a bank?) But, standards are continually developing, and browsers are not all standards compliant and interpret standards differently. Tables for layout are anathema around here, right? But you can still write a table-layout page that validates? The recent long discussion of the semantic value of hr was interesting to me because I felt the real question being discussed was what is the USE of hr. So, is a compliant site that validates without error *by definition* accessible? I think not. Usable? Still less. Conversely, would a highly usable site *necessarily* validate without error? In an ideal future world we will deal with browsers that consistently display standards compliant sites, while at the same time still negotiating successfully with the millions (billions?) of pages that pay absolutely no heed to the very idea of standards. I'm not holding my breath... My point (finally) is this: Are there situations in which standards can be compromised in the name of usability? Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell: 352-870-6661 http://www.andrewmaben.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Ian Stalvies wrote: Um ... as far as I know Hiser, as a rule, don't actually code sites - they try to focus purely on usability. Which I believe was Sarah's original request ... It's still an awful indicator. Although I've seen a lot of Australian firms selling accessibility, and awards crediting it, and generally they don't seem to care much about validity (even to the level of lack of doctypes and encoding parameters). It's hard to give advice, based on this. If an awful-looking, ambiguously-coded page is there to advertise a usability consultant... I'd have to say I wouldn't trust them. What else do you have to go on? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
You will find these books very helpful http://www.amazon.co.uk/DOM-Scripting-Design-JavaScript-Document/dp/1590595335/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759335sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/JavaScript-Anthology-Essential-Tricks-Hacks/dp/0975240269/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759353sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/JavaScript-Definitive-Guide-David-Flanagan/dp/0596101996/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759366sr=8-1 Darren On 01/03/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Thanks Mordechai,
I'll start with the easy one first:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
and think I know where it is wrong
I need to get it to write the year (ex-document +yr) in the () of the
txt2 node, but I don't know how to do it.
I also don't think the if (yr!=2003) from the old js is necessary,
but I may be wrong
Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to
nonobtrusive js.
Where could I go for help in converting these?
Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems?
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Have one of them, DOM Scripting, which got me to where I am, I'll check out the other two. Thanks You will find these books very helpful http://www.amazon.co.uk/DOM-Scripting-Design-JavaScript-Document/dp/ 1590595335/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021? ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759335sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/JavaScript-Anthology-Essential-Tricks-Hacks/ dp/0975240269/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021? ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759353sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/JavaScript-Definitive-Guide-David-Flanagan/ dp/0596101996/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021? ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1172759366sr=8-1 Darren On 01/03/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
This should not happen with Opera browsers (Opera Mini and Opera Mobile). We specifically ask Google and other search engines not to give us transcoded results when our users search using their search engines. If they do then it is a bug and we want to know about it so we can ask them to correct this behaviour. For styling the page handheld stylesheets should be used. For JavaScript issues I don't know of a way to specifically detect if it is a handheld, and browser sniffing is far from ideal on mobile due to many reasons. Tim do you have a specific example of what issues are being caused, then I can look into them? Also which browsers are you testing on. Some mobile browsers have very poor JavaScript support. Browsers such as Opera Mobile have full JavaScript support. Opera mini is slightly more restricted in that it uses a client server architecture, so there is no AJAX, but by developing using progressive enhancement it should work, depending on how complex the site is you are trying to develop. On 1 Mar 2007, at 12:30, Tim wrote: Barney, some mobile phone opimisation search engine versions for phones DO remove meta tags on the fly. My meta tag base href were taken out of pages by ask.com the mobile version http://m.ask.com/ This allowed them to run my site by relative URLs on their server with fake paypal links en all. They do remove meta tags Barney in at least some mobile search engines. Google mobile disables form, http://m.ask.com/ does not. Tim On 01/03/2007, at 9:42 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: Tim wrote: Will major search engines for phones take any notice of javascript? Google http://www.google.com/xhtml/ Ask http://m.ask.com/ Tim, why would this be a problem? Google isn't a handheld device, it's a search engine. It doesn't matter what /it/ thinks. And if you're afraid it messes with pages it links to, that isn't the case. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** David Storey Chief Web Opener Opera Software Oslo, Norway W: http://my.opera.com/dstorey ✉ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ✆ : +47 24 16 42 26 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive
js.
Where could I go for help in converting these?
Perhaps related:
http://redotheweb.com/2007/02/28/unobtrusive-javascript-made-possible/
Bruce P
bkdesign
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Thanks Mordechai,
I'll start with the easy one first:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
and think I know where it is wrong
I need to get it to write the year (ex-document +yr) in the () of the
txt2 node, but I don't know how to do it.
I also don't think the if (yr!=2003) from the old js is necessary,
but I may be wrong
Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive
js.
Where could I go for help in converting these?
Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems?
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:44:59, Bob Schwartz wrote:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
Not sure how FIFe fits into all this, but...
window.onload = function() {
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var text = © + year + myplace);
var p = document.createElement(p);
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text));
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(p);
}
should do what the original code does. If somebody gets a time
machine up and running and goes back to 2003, well, they'll see the
version of the site from back then anyway, so that's OK :-)
HTH,
Nick.
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
On Mar 1, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: On 01/03/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? You might want to head over to the jQuery community - it's a very helpful community with a lot of unobtrusive js'ers About jQuery: http://www.jquery.com jQuery Discussion: http://www.nabble.com/JQuery-f15494.html Rolf *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Firefox Accessibility Extension 1.0: New features to test dynamically generated web pages for accessibility
The Firefox Accessibility Extension 1.0 is a free tool which has an important NEW feature to test dynamically generated web resources (client side javascripting to generate html content) for functional web accessibility features. Download a give it a try: http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu New Feature highlights in version 1.0 1. Improved menu and toolbar layout that is more consistent with Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator (FAE) reports and CITES/DRES Web Accessibility Best Practices to implement Section 508 and W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu CITES/DRES Web Accessibility Best Practices http://html.cita.uiuc.edu 2. Test Dynamically generated web resources using the FAE Report feature. It sends a snap shot of the current DOM to FAE and returns a report to the user. http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php 3. Links to other accessibility testing tools WebAIM Wave Cynthia Says WebXact TAW 4. Compatible with Firefox 2.0 Jon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Nick,
Thanks. Now that I see how you have done it, I may be able to guess
my way through the others I have to do.
Is there a ( missing in the second line of your version?
On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:44:59, Bob Schwartz wrote:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
Not sure how FIFe fits into all this, but...
window.onload = function() {
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var text = © + year + myplace);
var p = document.createElement(p);
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text));
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(p);
}
should do what the original code does. If somebody gets a time
machine up and running and goes back to 2003, well, they'll see the
version of the site from back then anyway, so that's OK :-)
HTH,
Nick.
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Rolf , Thanks for the info. On Mar 1, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: On 01/03/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? You might want to head over to the jQuery community - it's a very helpful community with a lot of unobtrusive js'ers About jQuery: http://www.jquery.com jQuery Discussion: http://www.nabble.com/JQuery-f15494.html Rolf *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] background image
Hi, Just one more question about this page: http://www.arena7.ie/index2.html When viewing the above page with ie6 pc can you see the diagonal striped bacground pattern? I have ie6 running locally on an old machine thats offline and its not showing up. thanks for all the help -best kvnmcwebn www.mcmonagledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:44:59, Bob Schwartz wrote:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if
(yr!=2003)document.write(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
Not sure how FIFe fits into all this, but...
window.onload = function() {
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var text = © + year + myplace);
var p = document.createElement(p);
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text));
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(p);
}
should do what the original code does. If somebody gets a time machine
up and running and goes back to 2003, well, they'll see the version of
the site from back then anyway, so that's OK :-)
Personally, I don't think that the copyright information should be be
generated client side. But putting that issue aside...
I would shorten it by one line since year isn't needed:
var text = copy; + (new Date()).getFullYear() + myplace);
The parenthesis around new Date() aren't needed, but I thinks it makes
it a little clearer. While there are some parts of the order of
presidents that everyone should know, where new ranks versus .
(they're equal) isn't as important.
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RE: [WSG] background image
Without more info...check the URL of the background image in your CSS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] background image Hi, Just one more question about this page: http://www.arena7.ie/index2.html When viewing the above page with ie6 pc can you see the diagonal striped bacground pattern? I have ie6 running locally on an old machine thats offline and its not showing up. thanks for all the help -best kvnmcwebn www.mcmonagledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] background image
On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Paul Bennett wrote: Without more info...check the URL of the background image in your CSS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] background image Hi, Just one more question about this page: http://www.arena7.ie/index2.html When viewing the above page with ie6 pc can you see the diagonal striped bacground pattern? I have ie6 running locally on an old machine thats offline and its not showing up. I don't have windows booted up at the moment, but looking at your css, there's no reason to do that diagonal striped background image as a PNG, in which case you can avoid dealing with AlphaImageLoader. Just use a transparent .GIF and save yourself the IE PNG headache. Rolf *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
David Storey wrote:
For styling the page handheld stylesheets should be used. For
JavaScript issues I don't know of a way to specifically detect if it is
a handheld, and browser sniffing is far from ideal on mobile due to many
reasons.
Could you give an element a specific style in the handheld stylesheet
and then test for that style being applied in the javascript? I'm
thinking along the lines of:
in screen.css:
#checker {width:1px;}
in handheld.css:
#checker {width:2px;}
in script.js:
var el = document.getElementById(“checker”);
if (window.getComputedStyle(el,).getPropertyValue(width) == '2px' )
{
/* handheld script goes here
No idea if it would execute in whatever handheld browser is needed, and
my brief research indicates this style grabbing in javascript is a bit
flaky cross browser even on the desktop, but you might be able to hack
something together that works a lot of the time.
Rob
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RE: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Hi David,
In my experience, you can't guarantee that a mobile device will be a full
fledged 'browser' (like Opera mini or Safari for the iPhone), so you don't know
if JS will be supported on a handheld device. This may be less likely now, but
is still valid.
Example: About 3 - 4 years ago I had a Palm based Kyocera which did a pretty
good job of rendering HTML (including allowing you to submit form data), but
had no JS or CSS support.
Is there anything wrong with using something like:
@media handheld { /* insert rules here */ }
http://developer.openwave.com/documentation/xhtml_mp_css_reference/css-ref5.html#669571
Also, this may be helpful:
http://developer.openwave.com/documentation/xhtml_mp_css_reference/
Let us know what you think,
Paul
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
On 1 Mar 2007, at 20:03:30, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
window.onload = function() {
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var text = © + year + myplace);
var p = document.createElement(p);
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text));
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(p);
}
I would shorten it by one line since year isn't needed:
var text = copy; + (new Date()).getFullYear() + myplace);
Agreed, but I tend to avoid early optimisation when writing examples,
as I think they should go step-by-step to make it easier for people
to follow. On the other hand, I'd completely abandoned that principle
by the last two lines :-)
Regards,
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[WSG] transparent background of png
Hello, I have started putting together a site and I have an image with shading around the outside and a transparent background which I need to layer over a grey background. http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm I tried a .gif with transparency but it looked terrible with the white edges of the shading showing through, I have now replaced that with a PNG32 which look ok but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. Is there something I am doing wrong? If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? Cheers guys. Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions d: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net http://www.xplore.net/ Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007, at 20:03:30, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
window.onload = function() {
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var text = © + year + myplace);
var p = document.createElement(p);
p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text));
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(p);
}
I would shorten it by one line since year isn't needed:
var text = copy; + (new Date()).getFullYear() + myplace);
Agreed, but I tend to avoid early optimisation when writing examples,
as I think they should go step-by-step to make it easier for people to
follow. On the other hand, I'd completely abandoned that principle by
the last two lines :-)
In principle, I agree, but I also think it's better to give a more
proper example, so long as it remains clear. I wouldn't recommend using
as an example:
window.onload = function() {
document.getElementById(testdiv).appendChild(document.createElement(p).
appendChild(document.createTextNode(copy; + new
Date().getFullYear() + myplace));
}
I'm not sure if I would even write some thing like that, though, it is
tempting at times. ;-)
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Re: [WSG] transparent background of png
hi robin, my hp laptop leans toward the blue when viewing images, especially gray, so i doubt if it's anything that you are doing. it would be nice if there was a setting for a laptop lcd that would allow for a neutral color setting, like 50% rgb respectively. dwain On 3/1/07, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have started putting together a site and I have an image with shading around the outside and a transparent background which I need to layer over a grey background. http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm I tried a .gif with transparency but it looked terrible with the white edges of the shading showing through, I have now replaced that with a PNG32 which look ok but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. Is there something I am doing wrong? If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? Cheers guys. *Robin Gorry* *Senior Web Developer* *Xplore Net Solutions * *d*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 *f*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 *e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *w: www.xplore.net * Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] transparent background of png
Hi Robin Internet Explorer 6- doesn't support PNG with alpha channel transparency ( i.e PNG 24 and 32) although it will support PNG8 with one transparent colour (like GIF). There are a myriad of articles on the web about getting IE6 to render PNG32 using it's AlphaImageLoader malarkey - ugly but it works. Try searching for Internet Explorerer Transparent PNG on google and you'll find a resource that will solve the problem. The good thing is that IE7 will do it properly... Cheers James On 3/2/07, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have started putting together a site and I have an image with shading around the outside and a transparent background which I need to layer over a grey background. http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm I tried a .gif with transparency but it looked terrible with the white edges of the shading showing through, I have now replaced that with a PNG32 which look ok but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. Is there something I am doing wrong? If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? Cheers guys. *Robin Gorry* *Senior Web Developer* *Xplore Net Solutions * *d*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 *f*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 *e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *w: www.xplore.net * Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] transparent background of png
I agree with Dwain. My HP NX6325 laptop shows the same grey as my desktop PC, but my HP NX9010 laptop shows a light blue. The green panel also tends to yellow on the NX9010. Not much you can do about that, as far as I know. James' comments is also true. The PNG file in IE6 comes up as a big grey square (sadly, not even the same grey as the background colour) with the frame wheel in the middle. AlphaImageLoader malarkey would seem to be required. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwain Alford Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 10:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] transparent background of png hi robin, my hp laptop leans toward the blue when viewing images, especially gray, so i doubt if it's anything that you are doing. it would be nice if there was a setting for a laptop lcd that would allow for a neutral color setting, like 50% rgb respectively. dwain On 3/1/07, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have started putting together a site and I have an image with shading around the outside and a transparent background which I need to layer over a grey background. http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm I tried a .gif with transparency but it looked terrible with the white edges of the shading showing through, I have now replaced that with a PNG32 which look ok but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. Is there something I am doing wrong? If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? Cheers guys. Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions d : 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 f : 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net http://www.xplore.net/ Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
Search Engines don't read JavaScript but the question wasn't about search. Lots of mobile devices think that they are actually screen browsers so this may be causing some problems - My phone (Nokia N73) has 2 browsers; one that reads handheld sheets and one that reads screen sheets. Can I ask what javascript you are trying to serve that would be different on a handheld browser rather than a screen browser? Ben On 01/03/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will major search engines for phones take any notice of javascript? Google http://www.google.com/xhtml/ Ask http://m.ask.com/ They ignore stylesheets even if you make one for small screens! They strip the page headers of meta tags, linked javascript gone is my guess? Should we give up making pages for small screen? Just W3C validate and accessibility test. Some user agents in server logs show a different user agent phone type like nokia et al. Tim On 01/03/2007, at 8:25 PM, Lee Powell wrote: Hi I'm currently developing a stylesheet for handheld devices. However while testing I have noticed that the javascript I've written for screen browsers is still being implemented while testing with handhelds, causing a few problems. Does anyone have any advice on how I can check if the device accessing the page is handheld or screen and offer up the relevant javascript? Thanks Lee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] transparent background of png
I think some platforms/browsers have trouble with PNG 32 also, graphics cards etc that are not true color, user setting set to 16 bit and below, these factors and more can cause image problems with PNG 32. Try it with a PNG 8. Gav... quote who=Dwain Alford hi robin, my hp laptop leans toward the blue when viewing images, especially gray, so i doubt if it's anything that you are doing. it would be nice if there was a setting for a laptop lcd that would allow for a neutral color setting, like 50% rgb respectively. dwain On 3/1/07, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have started putting together a site and I have an image with shading around the outside and a transparent background which I need to layer over a grey background. http://training.xtools.co.nz/xplore_test/index.htm I tried a .gif with transparency but it looked terrible with the white edges of the shading showing through, I have now replaced that with a PNG32 which look ok but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. Is there something I am doing wrong? If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? Cheers guys. *Robin Gorry* *Senior Web Developer* *Xplore Net Solutions * *d*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 *f*: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 *e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *w: www.xplore.net * Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Gav... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] css generating i.e security pop up
On 2/28/07, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This behaviour is by design, for security reasons when the script is sourced locally (ie. if you load the website and script from your local machine) you will see this alert; I don't get the message and neither will other visitors. To add to this, if you need to preview locally, add this mark of the web line to the head of the document: !-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -- That will suppress the local warning. Nice-looking site btw. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com standards: kay.zombiecoder.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?
The webmaster I'm talking to is responsible for URLs that end like this *.cfm?doc_id=n ... and thinks it's perfectly acceptable In that case, the webmaster is making dynamically generated pages. URLs that end like that are necessary, because they're used to pass variables to the page. The other option is to use post to pass the variables, which could cause annoyance when refreshing or using back/forward. Beyond that, any way to get rid of the ?doc_id=n and such at the ends of the URLs would require an entire rewriting of the backend, or maybe even getting rid of the backend all together and writing every page as static html. Which likely isn't worth it just to get easier URLs. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] transparent background of png
but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. You must be using IE6 on the laptop Is there something I am doing wrong? Not unless you're a microsoft employee If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? You can feed MS proprietary filters to IE. http://www.bioneural.net/2006/08/09/valid-fix-for-png-transparency-on-a-single-image/ is the first thing i found, but a search for transparent png ie should turn up plenty of workarounds. I use a php solution that automatically converts all of my img elements that contain pngs into MS's proprietary stuff if IE is the browser, but I cant find it at the moment. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?
On 01/03/2007, at 11:36 AM, Kenny Graham wrote: The webmaster I'm talking to is responsible for URLs that end like this *.cfm?doc_id=n ... and thinks it's perfectly acceptable . Beyond that, any way to get rid of the ?doc_id=n and such at the ends of the URLs would require an entire rewriting of the backend, or maybe even getting rid of the backend all together and writing every page as static html. Which likely isn't worth it just to get easier URLs. Or just use mod_rewrite to rewrite the URL's from nice clean URL's into the crusty querystrings on the fly. If you are familiar with mod_rewrite it would take 15 minutes, otherwise might take an hour or so to work out what you need but you wouldn't need to even touch the backend. A *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] transparent background of png
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread and helped me out. Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions d: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 12:39 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] transparent background of png but when I view this using a laptop the transparent background is blue. You must be using IE6 on the laptop Is there something I am doing wrong? Not unless you're a microsoft employee If not what are my other options to make this work in all browsers and viewing devices? You can feed MS proprietary filters to IE. http://www.bioneural.net/2006/08/09/valid-fix-for-png-transparency-on-a-sing le-image/ is the first thing i found, but a search for transparent png ie should turn up plenty of workarounds. I use a php solution that automatically converts all of my img elements that contain pngs into MS's proprietary stuff if IE is the browser, but I cant find it at the moment. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] background image
Your background doesn't show up in my IE6. Rolf and Paul's comments are both worth checking out. Ricky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 5:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] background image Hi, Just one more question about this page: http://www.arena7.ie/index2.html When viewing the above page with ie6 pc can you see the diagonal striped bacground pattern? I have ie6 running locally on an old machine thats offline and its not showing up. thanks for all the help -best kvnmcwebn www.mcmonagledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
No idea if it would execute in whatever handheld browser is needed, and my brief research indicates this style grabbing in javascript is a bit flaky cross browser even on the desktop, but you might be able to hack something together that works a lot of the time. flaky would be an understatement... what if the browser can't execute javascript? what proportion of mobile phones can execute javascript?... I don't think many can Some phones do support css but a lot don't ... so the page should be designed to be usable without it. (and I am talking about phones new enough to be able to read xhtml - not older models that can only do wml) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices
FYI, apologies, if it this has already been posted here, From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sorry for cross-posting, please follow-up on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello Mobile Web Fans, The recently chartered Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group [1] is seeking public feedback on one of its proposed deliverables : an open testing framework for the Mobile Web, testing mobile web user agents for the benefits of mobile web developers. The overall goal of such a framework would be to allow the community to understand better how mobile web user agents available today react to various authoring practices (CSS tricks, javascript compatibility, advanced markup techniques, etc). To that end, the Test Suites Working Group is looking at setting up a framework that would allow: * anybody to submit test cases that they think would help assess support of a specific technical point in user agents; a few groups and individuals have already started to collect some of these tests cases, and the Working Group would like to serve as a point of collection and development for these * anybody to submit test results based on the above mentioned test cases * anybody to consult the statistical results posted by the community; these could hopefully lead at the creation of compatibility tables as some have been developed in the desktop browser world The Working Group would review, select and possibly amend the test cases submissions to produce a blessed test suite that would get most of the focus, but may still hosts the other test cases in case they would help a more restricted community. Before we invest the time and effort required to make such a system possible, the Working Group would like to get feedback on this project, in particular to see how many of Web developers would be interested in contributing to that project, as well as using its results. To that end, we have set up a fairly short survey that shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to answer: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/ The survey is open until March 16 (but please let me know if you think you'll need more time). We would also appreciate if subscribers to these lists could forward that request for feedback to other relevant groups and communities as they see adequate, including blogging about it if they see this as a relevant topic for their audience. The level of answers we'll get on this survey will also help us assess the usefulness and the practicality of setting up such a system. Thank you for your time, Dom Mobile Web Test Suites WG co-chair 1. http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/ -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/itgovernance Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
