[WSG] Mac IE 5.2

[7 sinz]

Hi,
Im a junior desinger for a company based in auckland,new zealaand.
im having some issues with floats for mac IE 5.2, and really would 
lappreciate it if someone could help point out the best plan of attack to 
fix it.

Id like to point out that we did not do the design for this site ( you'll 
choke..trust me ),
we've only been asked to make it work in all browsers, theres just alot of 
nothing happening design wise so dont be shocked when you see the page :p

The test
http://www.styrofirm.com/clients/rebeccaswan/homeb.php
to all that can help/comment or even fix :p your time/work is much 
aprreciated.

Regards
Steven
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RE: [WSG] After CSS?

[7 sinz]

So, what are your skillsets?
With this information I can tell you where I would move
you if you were in my employ.
Right now CSS/JS/PHP/Flash and pretty much any image editor.
I still love design, whether it's print,web or interactive, but i also like 
the flavours that CSS/DOM/XML can bring to the table. So i very much so 
headed in the direction of learning more about DOM scripting and XML..along 
the way reading adn learning more about accessiabilty and CSS3.

Cheers
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Re: [WSG] After CSS?

[7 sinz]

Andy Budd Said:

As Jeremy Keith says, "The DOM is the new CSS" so my advice would be
to look to the DOM as your next adventure in web standards.
I've been quite active in learning W3C DOM, i find PPk's articles 
invaulable, very straight forward even for the beginner scripter to learn 
the code. And i can see the great potential with DOM that i wont stay a 
beginner for long.
I also take into the count about previous comments, about accessibility to 
the disabled, i feel that all should enjoy the web// and I'm pretty much 
going to build my professional career on that ideal.

Thanks for all those who replide, i was somewhat shy about posting the 
thread, mainly i thought i was going to get alot of " you'll never be a 
fluent CSS designer" but you guys have sure chucked that notion out the 
window.

Thanks again guys
Steven
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[WSG] After CSS?

[7 sinz]

Hi all,
Im an 19 yer old desinger, with a particular interest in web design. For the 
last 8 motnhs i've been huddled up in my workspace practising my art 
learning the ins and out of CSS and pretty much learning the language to a 
T.

Anything i used to do with nested tables I now write with CSS, layouts 
dependant on the viewport are atill time consuming to make, and depending on 
browser support/target audience & scale of the project they can be time 
consuming, still i managae to pull through.
Fixed width layouts are no brainers to use, i feel once you've comfortably 
mastered positioning in CSS you pretty much can design any layout you cut 
outta of Photoshop/other image editor.
Not to say that thats all you need to know when developing with CSS, but it 
is a main part of structual design, once you can write it fluently theres no 
stopping or holing back with what kind of structure your static design may 
be.

Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to start somewhere.
But what now? How can you prepare for the next specification, new attributes 
and selectors, is there a test suite for CSS3?.  Im a graphic designer, 
who's passion for web development introduced me to one of the strongest 
client side languages available to any developer, now that im at a point of 
"speaking fluent CSS" what do i tackle next, what new CSS3 flavours can i 
focus on for the next wave of innovation?

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RE: [WSG] CSS based redesign of http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/

[7 sinz]

I dont know the authors, but they import nearly everystyleshee used on the 
site

why not keep the styles in one file and import that ?
/* @import url("template.css"); */
/* @import url("article-tools.css"); */
/* @import url("article-list.css"); */
/* @import url("chart-pack.css"); */
/* @import url("coming-soon.css"); */
/* @import url("editors-choice.css"); */
/* @import url("featured-article.css"); */
/* @import url("freeform.css"); */
/* @import url("global-spotlight.css"); */
/* @import url("individual-collection.css"); */
/* @import url("interviews.css"); */
/* @import url("in-the-news.css"); */
/* @import url("point-counterpoint.css"); */
/* @import url("recent-issues.css"); */
/* @import url("research-in-brief.css"); */
/* @import url("top-ten.css"); */
/* @import url("client-module.css"); */
/* @import url("login.css"); */
/* @import url("privacy.css"); */
/* @import url("advanced-search.css"); */
/* @import url("popup.css"); */
/* @import url("help.css"); */
/* @import url("member.css"); */
/* @import url("article.css"); */
/* @import url("store.css"); */
/* @import url("TOC.css"); */
seems like they more than double handle the stylsheets
-peace

http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/
I am using this site for couple of years and just recently they redesign 
site
with CSS and XHTML
Who are the autors?

NIce!
Regards,
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RE: [WSG] Linking Background Images

[7 sinz]

Ok, my question is why the H2?  What standard are you trying to promote with
that concept?
none
its a concept, something i felt like doing- you can use it with any tag, i 
chose a heading- because on the project i use it on; the links are headings. 
If it's not your fancy, dont use it.

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Re: [WSG] Linking Background Images

[7 sinz]

in my previous example i explained it;
but the final mark up for that quick example should of been:

-peace
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Re: [WSG] Linking Background Images

[7 sinz]

yes there is a way you can link background images; but a little more mark up 
is required.

lets say you have

and styles as
h2#bG{background: url(image.gif) no-repeat;height:20px;width:220px}
now adding some extra markup inside that h2 as follows

with styles as
h2.save a{display:block;height:20px;width:220px}
you've now got a clickable background image.
I use this tech throughout a project im working on right now...i call it the
Steven Carlisle Background Click or SCBclik for short :p
HTH
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Re: [WSG] IFR

[7 sinz]

As i said, im using all the files that Shaun provides, even the source on 
the demo pages; but i found the problem it had to do with naming the font in 
the .fla before exporting- so if you were betting you would of lost.

-peace
From: Mark Harwood  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] IFR
Date: Fri,  2 Jul 2004 08:07:59 +0100
Show me your HTML cos im betting you have not named it right, and when the
JavaScript scan's you HTML it wont find what its looking to replace...
as for editing the Flash! it couldnt be simpler...
Load, select text feild, set text, export...
simple!
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Re: [WSG] IFR

[7 sinz]

Its a flash image replacement tech; from Shaun Inman.. hence the name SI_IFR
sorry to confuse you bwout its relavence to standards, but people in the 
know was my target audience..


From: James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] IFR
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:19:57 +
You will have to explain a bit more about what you are trying to do - what 
is SI_IFR, do you have any links to examples and what is the relevance of 
it to web standards.

Cheers
James
7 sinz wrote:
Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work;

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[WSG] IFR

[7 sinz]

Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work;
my  page keeps saying movie not loaded; i've read his article a hundred 
times over; and ive even downloaded his .fla's to work with, but nothing is 
working.

HAs anyone got a simpe method of using this tech? or a online example that 
breaksdown exaclty how to edit the .fla files?

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RE: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

[7 sinz]

lucky it's a promo :p
From: "Sean M. Hall (Dante)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images
Date: 8 Jun 2004 03:39:27 +
Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't 
even officially opened yet) has created two IE 7 Promo Images. Dean Edwards 
modified the first one (to fit his layout and design) and made it the 
official IE 7 Logo.

http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/ie7.html
I'd like your opinion on these two images (please remember that I'm a 
beginner at design).

I hope you like them :)
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RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

[7 sinz]

i still hand code, but i use Dreamweaver MX 2004, mainly because it saves 
half the design process, as i can preview in different browsers to see what 
my site is looking liike. It just makes life a hella alot easier. Im not 
going to come out and say that dreamweaver is everyones solution for 
editior, but for me, espeacially with it's improvements with CSS handling, 
Dreamweaver MX 2004 is my choice for both CSS & HTML editing.

I have tried stylemaster, but i really hated the interface, i'd rather use 
topstyle that stylemaster anyways, i feel that topstyle is a better 
programmed app then stylemaster by far.

so my picks would be Dreamweaver MX 2004 for HTML ( and CSS ) & for a CSS 
editor id use Topstyle.

hope that helps
-peace

From: "John McDougald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:19:59 -0700
> What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and
testing?
Notepad :)
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RE: [Spam] Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

[7 sinz]

doesnt look like he wants to use tables anymore

From: "Mike Pepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Spam] Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and 
captions
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:35:24 +0100

Far out!
Kristof, well done, mate :o) Big smiley for you.
Now just to implement it ...
Many thanks,
Mike Pepper
(grateful) Accessible Web Developer
www.seowebsitepromotion.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Kristof Neirynck
Sent: 05 June 2004 19:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Spam] Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and
captions
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
> I've been trying to emulate, with CSS alone, what I've been doing for
> years with tables: create a grid of thumbnails, each with a caption
> below, both image and caption linked to an enlargement. We all know how
> easy that is; center the table, center the cell content vertically, add
> some cell padding. Bingo.
>
> Any takers?
>
[snip]
Do you mean something like this?

--
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RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

[7 sinz]

i wasnt talking to you ;)

From: "Mike Pepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "WSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:47:12 +0100
It's not tabular data, it's a linear stream of images with captions. One 
way
of looking at it is to take the thumbs and associated text and jumble the
sequence; do that with a proper table grid and you'll have a mess since the
row and columnar formats will be meaningless.

For instance --
  Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
 Cost  10  20  20  10  20  20  20
 Unit   3   5   2   6   4   1   7
Cost/Sat = 20. It's position must remain fixed to make sense, although it
may possibly remain true in another location. Incorporate the Unit value of
the matrix and moving anything invalidates the results. This is a table;
rows and columns point to specific cells; rows and columns have meaning.
Move the cell values within the grid and the results are nonsense.
Not so with a sequence of images (unless, of course, you're ordering them
alphabetically but that's not the issue).
Make sense?
Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer (after a great night's sleep)
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Sent: 05 June 2004 05:30
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
On 6/4/04 9:10 PM "Nick Gleitzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:
> A parting thought: does a series of thumbnail/caption pairs actually
qualify
> as tabular data - thus leaving me feeling better about giving up and 
using
a
> table to lay the bloody thing out anyway?

That was my first thought when I began to read about your angst.
It's tabular data - deal with that way. Get it over with.
I'm no authority.
Rick Faaberg
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[WSG] Safari and Opera

[7 sinz]

Now i dont know if any one else has tried this ; but im trying to hide input 
borders which is working in Mozilla,IE ( all version/platfroms) but after 
doing a few browser cams, i notice that safari still place borders around 
the input's ,the same problem ( with even) the latest version of Opera for 
windows.

Has anyone got a way of doing it?
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

[7 sinz]

yes use tables, but use them wiely, use them as they were intended for ( 
tabular data )
I hope you're not suggesting going back to nested tables are you?

For me CSS holds to many advantages; and i feel it is just the future ( for 
me ne ways )to effectivley render beautiful sematic webpages.

-peace
From: "RC Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:26:17 -0600
They haven't deprecated the table tag, yet, have they? Maybe I'm just a 
beginner, but I can easily
follow the difficulty folks are having with 'pure css.' It was fun for me 
until I saw that a
hackless site was a near impossibility, even if it's just the 3-pixel jog 
hack (which doesn't work
for lists).

think the jury is going to be out for a long time on this one. There really 
is no 'hack free' way
to deal with css and cross browser support. Sure there have been plenty of 
'elegant' uses of
tableless markup, but when it takes a simple process and turns it into a 
morass of problems and
surprises, it really does cross the line.

Until the 'table police' show up and put on the cuffs, the best thing is do 
what is expedient, and
what is effective and dependable. Whether for layout or tabular data, the 
use of tables, and their
predictable results should not be discounted or frowned upon--especially if 
the table makes sense
when linearized.

What you are trying to do 'fits the bill' for a legitimate table. Until CSS 
reaches the point where
proper centering, width and height is possible across all browsers and all 
platforms without hacks
and kludges, hybrid designs should be expected, and not discouraged. As 
long as tables are still a
part of html, I say use them.

Roy
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From: "Rick Faaberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
On 6/4/04 9:10 PM "Nick Gleitzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:
> A parting thought: does a series of thumbnail/caption pairs actually 
qualify
> as tabular data - thus leaving me feeling better about giving up and 
using a
> table to lay the bloody thing out anyway?

That was my first thought when I began to read about your angst.
It's tabular data - deal with that way. Get it over with.
I'm no authority.
Rick Faaberg
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[WSG] my review of IE7

[7 sinz]

" Well after some careful planning, i decided to discard the extra classes 
and use Dean edwards IE7 "

My thoughts ?
IE 7 gives a CSS designer a lot of leg room when developing  CSS based 
layouts.
But my main :focus was using IE7 on things like, :hover and [attr="value"]. 
It turned out great, althought i have to back myself if the user hasnt got a 
jS enabled browser ( using classes ) but all in all the process so far has 
been great.

an example would be suckerfish menus, although they use DOM to make IE see 
the second-level, you still have to decalare extra classes ( how many 
depends on how complex you're menu is ) and in my case the extra markup was 
a pain. IE7 gave me the abilty to use my regualr markup; and by adding a 
simple link to the hover stylesheet i was able to achieve the suckerfish, 
wtihout the suckerfish.

i kno some people may critique it's use, and i have had problems with older 
versions of Opera ( the latest version displays ery thing ok ) and i have 
tested it on stand alone version of IE, the results were the same as IE6.
my review of IE7, it's a outstanding piece of work and i'll continue usin' 
it until it fails.

-peace
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RE: [WSG] Suckerfish

[7 sinz]

Thanks Martin, i really have to take my hat off to you.
and i have to say i really hate IE, but i wont start that fued again.
thanks again
From: "Martin Baylis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Suckerfish
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:56:04 +1200
Hi
Fixed when added background:#fff; to
#topnav li ul,#topnav li.over ul{position:absolute;display:none;}
Rule
Something to do with lack of "size" without the background
Fixes in both ie6 and firefox
Rgrds
Martin
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Behalf Of 7 sinz
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish
Hi, im trying to manipulate the suckerfish dropdown too act like
macromedia's flash dropdown.
It works fine in both IE and firefox but with one exception. When you hover
in IE, as soon as you hover off the first level list item, the second level
will vanish. Now i've tried a lot of coding to get it to work, and im 
really
considering using a flash alternative.

Im not after anyone to 'do they work for me' , i've already done everything
i can think of, and im hoping Russ or any other members of the guru sqaud
can help stomp this solution out.
i've attached the file if you'd care to have  a look and help me out.
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[WSG] suckerfish

[7 sinz]

Hi, im trying to manipulate the macromedia dropdown withoiut the flash.
It works fine in Firefox, but in IE if you hover off the first level list 
item , the second level vashishes, i need it to sit like it does in firefox. 
Maybe it's the javascript, or someting else, but if you want to take a crack 
at it please do.

this is my second e-mail, dont know if the first one got through,
im not after anyone to do the work for me, but if you'd like to take a shot 
at it, please do.

The file in question is attached.
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[WSG] Suckerfish

[7 sinz]

Hi, im trying to manipulate the suckerfish dropdown too act like 
macromedia's flash dropdown.

It works fine in both IE and firefox but with one exception. When you hover 
in IE, as soon as you hover off the first level list item, the second level  
will vanish. Now i've tried a lot of coding to get it to work, and im really 
considering using a flash alternative.

Im not after anyone to 'do they work for me' , i've already done everything 
i can think of, and im hoping Russ or any other members of the guru sqaud 
can help stomp this solution out.

i've attached the file if you'd care to have  a look and help me out.
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Re: [WSG] small css question

[7 sinz]

yea it is reall simple once you look at it :p
glad to help
From: Paul Ingraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [WSG] small css question
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:36:30 -0700
>> So it looks the answer to my original question is, "Yes,  to center an 
image
>> using css, it really is necessary to wrap it in a block level element 
with
>> text-style:center defined."  Huh!
>
> No, it isn't. As Nelson suggested, using {display : block; margin : 0
> auto;} you're not wrapping the img in anything extra, but rather you are
> turning the img itself into a block.

Yep. That do indeed work.  I didn't believe it until I tried it, and I'm
still not sure I understand it.  But it works, and it's clean and simple.  
I
assumed I was missing something basic and I was right.  ;-)

So setting the left and right margins as "auto" magically accomplishes
centering... because if they're both auto, then they must be equal, and the
only way to have both left and right margins equal is to center the object.
Sweet.  I did NOT see that coming. Elegant, but not obvious. Exactly what I
was hoping for.
Thanks!  I am only an egg.  This has been a good (and useful) introduction
to the list.
Cheers,
Paul
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Re: [WSG] small css question

[7 sinz]

can't you just use
img{
 margin: 0 auto 0 auto
}
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Re: [WSG] tantek high_pass & @import

[7 sinz]

Thanks thats what i was looking for, i think Mariah sang it best-

"then a hero comes along"
thanks again
From: "Kay Smoljak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [WSG] tantek high_pass & @import
Date: Wed,  7 Apr 2004 13:45:01 +1000
> Im wondering if there's a way to block out IE 5
> Windows but not IE5.5?
Microsoft built a covenient IE-only hack into their browser engine - 
conditional comments. Check em out here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp

Essentially, you put in code like this:

Everything else thinks it's a comment (actually it is) but IE will parse 
it. And you can certainly use that to target IE 5 but not 5.5...

K.

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Re: [WSG] tantek high_pass & @import

[7 sinz]

Thanks Cameron but i've been there,  all the hacks blok the CSS form other 
versions and platforms- next please


From: Cameron Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] tantek high_pass & @import
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
I'm sure you can find a hack here:

http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/

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--- 7 sinz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> Im wondering if there's a way to block out IE 5
> Windows but not IE5.5?
>
> At the moment im using high_pass filter. Is there
> another way? without
> effecting anyother version/or platforms?.
>
> by the way- is it ok to use something like this.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> url("high_pass.css");-->
>
> @import and high_pass? what will version of borwsers
> will be effected with
> this?
>
> thanks in advance
>
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[WSG] tantek high_pass & @import

[7 sinz]

Hi
Im wondering if there's a way to block out IE 5 Windows but not IE5.5?
At the moment im using high_pass filter. Is there another way? without 
effecting anyother version/or platforms?.

by the way- is it ok to use something like this.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
url("high_pass.css");-->

@import and high_pass? what will version of borwsers will be effected with 
this?

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RE: [WSG] this effect

[7 sinz]

thanks for the input
i named #id for ease of use, ..but thanks for the mock up.
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[WSG] this effect

[7 sinz]

hi,Im a 18 year old web designer from Brisbane, im trying to duplicate the 
effect at this site with CSS.
The effect im talking about is where you hover over the plans.
http://www.tel3.com

this is what i got so far, and was wondering how i would get it to work in 
IE..should i just add the DOM script from suckerfish DD's?

http://saygiddaymate.com/hover/hover.htm

any and all comments appreciated

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[WSG] Scroll bars

[7 sinz]

hello everyone, im just wondering if there is a way to change
scroll bars with CSS that will that will work cross browser and still be 
valid>?

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Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns

[7 sinz]

http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/10/27/mose_menus/

From: Justin French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:50:36 +1100
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 11:05  PM, 7 sinz wrote:

Dave Shea makes a drop down with 2 lines of CSS. So i wondering if you 
could apply the same tech, using the DOM scripting from the suckerfish 
menus; any thoughts?
You'd have to show me a sample.

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Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns

[7 sinz]

Dave Shea makes a drop down with 2 lines of CSS. So i wondering if you could 
apply the same tech, using the DOM scripting from the suckerfish menus; any 
thoughts?


From: Justin French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:48:18 +1100
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 06:53  PM, 7 sinz wrote:

Hey i've been experimenting with suckerfish drop downs; first off the code 
works brilliantly, but i wonder if it can be achieved without the extra 
mark up, if there is a way???

Basicaly what im trying to do is create a CSS based drop down menu with 
the mark-up length of Mezzoblue's m0se menus, but the funcuality of 
Suckerfish menus. But im getting no where at the moment, if anyone out 
there is willing to throw in some suggestions it would be great.
What extra mark-up?  The suckerfish code is lean and mean... I just went 
back and had another look, and there's nothing there in the STRUCTURAL 
mark-up.

If you're talking about the CSS, that's also pretty lean, with the 
exception of a few extra selectors in there for IE.

That only leaves the added JavaScript, which again is there only for IE to 
work.

If you choose to support IE, then there HAS to be JavaScript in there, and 
there has to be some extra CSS selectors.  I'm not that familiar with the 
Mezzoblue version, but the same basic rules apply.

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[WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns

[7 sinz]

Hey i've been experimenting with suckerfish drop downs; first off the code 
works brilliantly, but i wonder if it can be achieved without the extra mark 
up, if there is a way???

Basicaly what im trying to do is create a CSS based drop down menu with the 
mark-up length of Mezzoblue's m0se menus, but the funcuality of Suckerfish 
menus. But im getting no where at the moment, if anyone out there is willing 
to throw in some suggestions it would be great.

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RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem

[7 sinz]

No one need reply; by adding a relative positioning to #login, and removing 
the background image i was able to create a nice clean seamless affect for 
the login fields, only to have it rejected in favour of something that my 
little sister could draw "IF" i let her use dog s**t for colors, and a dead 
cow for the canvass...

woe is me

-peace


From: "7 sinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:59:38 +1000
Its not a live site; im still working from my comp..but heres the html :

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1.0/DTD/xhtml1-Strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>

sorry if its too big



</tt><br>
<br>
<pre style="margin: 0em;"><br>#login{
overflow:hidden;
margin: 8px 3px 0 3px ;
width: 131px;
color:#fff;
font: 10px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
height: 131px;
background: url(loginback.gif) no-repeat;
}
.login{
display:inline;
margin: 7px 0 0 10px;
padding: 3px;
height: 13px;
width: 80px;
border: 1px solid #e5e5e5;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 9px;
color:#273C55;
}
.go{
height: 16px;
width: 16px;
margin-top: 4px;
margin-right: 33px;
}
.loginp{
font-size: 89%;
font-weight: bold;
margin: 9px;
display:inline;
padding:0;
}
#header{
margin-top:-142px;
}
body #outerwrap{
margin-top:0;
}








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platea dictumst.
Sed adipiscing neque ac sapien. Duis tincidunt mollis wisi. Proin at metus 
vitae leo aliquam condimentum.
Maecenas at lorem vel risus ultrices lobortis. Sed semper facilisis nibh.
Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per 
inceptos hymenaeos. Nullam in felis. Vestibulum consectetuer, nisl in 
sollicitudin luctus, eros elit semper libero, et consectetuer dolor elit ac 
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From: "Peter Firminger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:48:24 +1100
Hi 7,

Can you please supply a link to the page in question as well as the CSS
file(s).
In order to help we need to be able to see it in action in case there is
something else in the code affecting or conflicting with it. This also 
lets
us see what language and version you are using and whether or not you are
operating in quirks mode depending on your doctype.

Regards,

Peter

> im trying to place a member login field on top of a
> ImageMapped Header...
> In mozilla i have it working perfect, but IE wont show the
> fields at all.
>
> #login{
> overflow:hidden;
> width: 131px;
> color:#fff;
> font: 10px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> height: 131px;
> background: url(loginback.gif) no-repeat;
> }
>
> is there something extra i should be adding to get it to
> render ok in IE (6
> btw)?
> too my knowledge IE has no trouble with rendering overflow: ney?
>
> all help is welcome and much appreciated.
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RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem

[7 sinz]

Its not a live site; im still working from my comp..but heres the html :

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1.0/DTD/xhtml1-Strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>

sorry if its too big








#login{
overflow:hidden;
margin: 8px 3px 0 3px ;
width: 131px;
color:#fff;
font: 10px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
height: 131px;
background: url(loginback.gif) no-repeat;
}
.login{
display:inline;
margin: 7px 0 0 10px;
padding: 3px;
height: 13px;
width: 80px;
border: 1px solid #e5e5e5;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 9px;
color:#273C55;
}
.go{
height: 16px;
width: 16px;
margin-top: 4px;
margin-right: 33px;
}
.loginp{
font-size: 89%;
font-weight: bold;
margin: 9px;
display:inline;
padding:0;
}
#header{
margin-top:-142px;
}
body #outerwrap{
margin-top:0;
}








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test
ellentesque quis lorem vel sapien lobortis ornare. In hac habitasse 
platea dictumst.
Sed adipiscing neque ac sapien. Duis tincidunt mollis wisi. Proin at metus 
vitae leo aliquam condimentum.
Maecenas at lorem vel risus ultrices lobortis. Sed semper facilisis nibh.
Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per 
inceptos hymenaeos. Nullam in felis. Vestibulum consectetuer, nisl in 
sollicitudin luctus, eros elit semper libero, et consectetuer dolor elit ac 
lectus. Praesent faucibus massa et neque. Sed nonummy consectetuer purus. 
Suspendisse potenti. Fusce augue.
  

   
 Left side
 

   
 Right side
   

© 2004  All Rights 
Reserved





hope that clears things up a bit...


From: "Peter Firminger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:48:24 +1100
Hi 7,

Can you please supply a link to the page in question as well as the CSS
file(s).
In order to help we need to be able to see it in action in case there is
something else in the code affecting or conflicting with it. This also lets
us see what language and version you are using and whether or not you are
operating in quirks mode depending on your doctype.
Regards,

Peter

> im trying to place a member login field on top of a
> ImageMapped Header...
> In mozilla i have it working perfect, but IE wont show the
> fields at all.
>
> #login{
> overflow:hidden;
> width: 131px;
> color:#fff;
> font: 10px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> height: 131px;
> background: url(loginback.gif) no-repeat;
> }
>
> is there something extra i should be adding to get it to
> render ok in IE (6
> btw)?
> too my knowledge IE has no trouble with rendering overflow: ney?
>
> all help is welcome and much appreciated.
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[WSG] overflow IE problem

[7 sinz]

Hi;

im trying to place a member login field on top of a ImageMapped Header...
In mozilla i have it working perfect, but IE wont show the fields at all.
#login{
overflow:hidden;
width: 131px;
color:#fff;
font: 10px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
height: 131px;
background: url(loginback.gif) no-repeat;
}
is there something extra i should be adding to get it to render ok in IE (6 
btw)?
too my knowledge IE has no trouble with rendering overflow: ney?

all help is welcome and much appreciated.

-peace

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