RE: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.
Try cscart over at cscart.com. It's not free but it's easy to work with and easy to skin. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Darren Lovelock Sent: 17 October 2009 22:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please. Drupal with the ubercart module - http://www.ubercart.org/ demo here - http://livetest.ubercart.org/uc1/ List of features - http://www.ubercart.org/what_is_ubercart Supported payment systems - http://www.ubercart.org/payment Add the views module and ubercart views module for 'popular product' blocks etc. Views - http://drupal.org/project/views Ubercart Views - http://drupal.org/project/uc_views Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/ http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: 17 October 2009 21:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please. Magento is an option also possibly Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _ From: hed...@digitalessence.net hed...@digitalessence.net Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:34:16 +0100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please. Hi, I'm in the process of quoting a few ecommerce packages/websites and currently looking at opencart (for a free and non supported solution) and JShop for a more pro supported version. Does anyone have any packages that they recommend? http://www.opencart.com/ http://www.jshop.co.uk/index I'm not requiring bar codes or EPOS integration so need to keep it simple. thanks. Hedley Phillips Digital Essence T: 01306 627 128 M: 07940 508 417 E: hed...@digitalessence.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest)
I'm sorry but i'm going to put my 2 pence worth in. The site I build use a H1 for the logo, then a h1 for a title further down the page, using the h1, h2, h3, etc structure and Google seems to love those site the latest lauch has h1, h2 and a h3 in the header and it's on page 1 already after being launched 3 weeks ago. So in terms of following best practive, providing clear text to screen reader and for SEO the use of H tags should be as the W3C advises. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Yuval Ararat Sent: 16 October 2009 13:11 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) I am not sure that a page with multiple important subject does not exist. so IA wise and semantic wise this is not a must. google wise it is. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld m...@langfeldesigns.com wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 H1 as the most important and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6 H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. ~ Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2439 - Release Date: 10/15/09 20:39:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld m...@langfeldesigns.com wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 H1 as the most important and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6 H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. ~ Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2439 - Release Date: 10/15/09 20:39:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld m...@langfeldesigns.com wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 H1 as the most important and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6 H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. ~ Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join
RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _ From: EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld m...@langfeldesigns.com wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 H1 as the most important and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6 H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 http://www.w3
RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 16:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? That's only relevant if your site has a keyword in the logo (e.g. Free Online Games), where each of the words is a form of a keyword, while if your site is called MiniClip, there is not much point in wrapping H1 around it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net wrote: The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _ From: EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld m...@langfeldesigns.com wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what
RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Hi Darren, Maybe if you read what I wrote properly you would see that the H1 surrounding the logo has different key words in it depending on the page. I use text h1Site name - keywords/h1 as my logo and style it with CSS and therefore each one is unique, semantic and great for SEO _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Darren Lovelock Sent: 16 October 2009 16:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout the website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to boost your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are talking about. I cant think of a single reason why you would wrap a H1 around a logo as there is no advantage to you, search engines or your visitors. Maybe if you had a business directory where each listing had its own logo and alt text of the company name then it could work there but not if there was already an H1 on the page. The only case that you could possibly use two H1s on a page is if you had a page containing two entirely different topics. But then again wouldn't you just put this content on two separate pages? If your sites theme is to write about lots of different content e.g. a general blog, then it should have a main H1 and each topic be summarised using H2's and then include a link to their own individual pages. Why is the topic starter looking for reasons for why they shouldn't do it, when they should be asking themselves what is their reason for using the H1 this way in the first place? Did they see it on some 'SEO's website and think 'they must know what they are doing so I'll copy them'? LOL Maybe they should listen to the SEO expert they've already spoken to... I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;) Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/ http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of EBS Admin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device _ From: EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google
RE: [WSG] Spice up your mobile
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RE: [WSG] Image links
You could try this
img a:hover {
border: 0;
text-decoration: none;
}
Mat
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Image links
On May 3, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote:
As someone mentioned earlier you should also remove borders from the
image,
a img {
border: 0;
}
This is what I was hoping would work but it doesn't. Explorer still
shows the bottom border on hover. Interestingly it is not a problem
with Safari which does not show the border hover on images by default.
To be clear, I have a 1pixel bottom border on hover (It looks better
than the default underline).
The problem is to easily and globally prevent the border on hover on
image links.
I have solved it with a border-style: none; class but it has to be
applied to each image, which is a pain.
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RE: [WSG] IE7 - content not displaying
This is what you've got at the moment div class=clear-fix/div /div div id=page-footer-links ul id=footer-links lia href=null.html id=footer-first-linkWisconsin History Store/a/li lia href=null.htmlAbout Us/a/li lia href=null.htmlMedia Relations/a/li lia href=null.htmlGovernment Services/a/li lia href=null.htmlContact Us/a/li /ul /div /div /body /html Try /div div class=clear-fix/div div id=page-footer-links ul id=footer-links lia href=null.html id=footer-first-linkWisconsin History Store/a/li lia href=null.htmlAbout Us/a/li lia href=null.htmlMedia Relations/a/li lia href=null.htmlGovernment Services/a/li lia href=null.htmlContact Us/a/li /ul /div /div /body /html _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Likely, James A. Sent: 22 April 2008 14:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE7 - content not displaying Hello, I am in the process of coding some templates for a client. Of course, everything works well in Firefox, but IE7 is giving me some problems. The footer on the page is not appearing, but the space that it is meant to hold the footer is present. I know about the peek-a-boo effect for IE, but this does not seem to be the case. Does any one have any suggestions on how to fix this? Example: http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/version2/research.php http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/version2/research.php Thanks for the help. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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RE: [WSG] html design - best practices
Semantic = meaning. What is the meaning of highlighting the text? If it's a design decision the use SPAN If it's a meaning decision use STRONG or EM Think of EM as a rise in pitch when reading something out to someone. Think of STRONG as slow and controlled while pointing your finger kinda speech. -Original Message- here's my question. i have a page with text that i want highlighted. i currently have the text in atext/a and styled with css. what is the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as strong is not what i want, because i don't want someone to get yelled at by their screen reader. i guess what i am looking to do is emphasize the text so it will stand out on the page and be treated the same by a screen reader. is this what the em tag is for? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] html design - best practices
It's a valid point actually. DIVitis and SPANitis are rife and elements can normally be styled using inherent selectors. The fact you have the text wrapped in A means you can approach the CSS from with #container a -Original Message- Think twice before using a span ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Interview: BBC TBL
Just a heads up to an interesting article about the big man himself and the future of the web; due for broadcast on the UK's BBC2 tonight 22:30 BST. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4132752.stm Eddie http://blog.tn38.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf)
It's not starting to, it always has been. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kay Smoljak Sent: 26 July 2005 13:14 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf) I think accessibility is starting to be as much about accommodating *any* browsing situation as much as accommodating disabilities. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf
Quote: only from lists such as this where people impose limits without thinking about how networks are evolving. Youre assuming everyone has DSL at low contention. As you mention, networks are evolving, more so wirelessly where bandwidth is even more of a premium which is justification enough to serve lightweight pages. Quote: I just fail to understand people who are concerned about pages under 150k. Sorry bud but 150Kb is just too heavy. Fact! By all means create a heavy front page as youre the developer but dont forget the high bandwidth disclaimer in the footer of the template. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) Sent: 25 July 2005 10:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf Mugur, I hope you are not upset with me. Not at all. J I just fail to understand people who are concerned about pages under 150k. Until about 2 years ago, 50k was my limit. However since then, Ive been happy to add about 50k per year to that limit in line with the uptake of broadband, at least in Australia. Across numerous websites, Ive never actually had a complaint from a user / client, only from lists such as this where people impose limits without thinking about how networks are evolving. Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com
RE: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms
Headers have no defined meaning. They create structure. H1 doesnt mean primary. H2 doesnt mean sub etc but for Joe to say that you can forget keeping order is not one his of best ideas. Whats wrong with applying order to the real world? He is right in that you can skip levels with certain assistive tools but then the hierarchy of the page has to be learnt and isnt presented in a predictable way. Stick with correct order and nesting as accessibility isnt always about people, devices have to understand the web too. As soon as there is freedom of headers, what else can developers slack on? Keep it tidy. Eddie http://blog.tn38.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July 2005 14:18 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms Hello list, I'm having some troubles in understanding the standards of webaccessibility according to the headings. On one side, there is the point of W3 saying: Since some users skim through a document by navigating its headings, it is important to use them appropriately to convey document structure. Users should order heading elements properly. For example, in HTML, H2 elements should follow H1 elements, H3 elements should follow H2 elements, etc. Content developers should not skip levels (e.g., H1 directly to H3). Do not use headings to create font effects; use style sheets to change font styles for example. (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#document-headers) On the other hand, Joe Clark's book Building Accessible Websites says about the use of the h: Styled headings Screen readers and the like let you select the order in which youd like to tab through elements, but the fundaments lie in HTML. The Web Content Accessibility Guidelines tell us to use heading elements in strict numerical order h1/h1, then, if necessary, h2/h2 through h6/h6 in that sequence. That dictum suits androids and Vulcans quite well, but here in the real world you can skip intervening levels and you dont have to start at h1/h1. I am telling you that you can defy the WCAG in this limited way. You must not, however, use heading elements in anything but ascending order. (http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter07.html) I've got two problems complying those norms: I would like to maintain a certain homogeneity through the site, having a unique h1 for all the pages, and a h4 at the homepage using it for the same level of heading on the next pages. But the guidelines tell not to skip any h, and it might happen that a certain page won't have a h3 for example. Another doubt I have is the fact that h always should be used in ascending way. But what if there are several repeating sections containing subtitles? F.i. h1People at work/h1 h2People working at the office/h2 ulli.../lili.../li/ul h2People working at the factory/h2 ulli.../lili.../li/ul h1People at home/h1 h2Friends/h2 ulli.../lili.../li/ul h2Family/h2 ulli.../lili.../li/ul I hope I make myself clear... Anyone who can say anything about this question? Thank you very much. Regards, Esther ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms
Too quick Bert, just what I was going to post. 6 headings are more than enough. Ive never gone past 4 to be honest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: 21 July 2005 14:49 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms Look at it as an outline and perhaps it becomes clearer. H1 Main heading H2 Section heading H2 Section heading H3 Sub-section heading H4 Sub-Sub-section heading H2 Section heading H1 Another Main heading?
RE: [WSG] Browser hijacking for usability
Title: Message Not to mention youre talking IE/Win only which is a dwindling market. Sounds worse than ActiveX to me J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) Sent: 18 July 2005 12:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Browser hijacking for usability Jamie Mason I've been thinking about whether it would help to automatically fix these problems by using registry keys, for example. Ask the question of yourself - if you were instructed by a website to run a file that changed registry settings on your pc, would you do it? However appealing the idea may sound, and however easy it makes things for your users, messing with the registry is a risky business at the best of times. I would assume that 99.99% of users wouldn't touch it. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 8:34 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: [WSG] Browser hijacking for usability Hi All, I've had an idea recently I wanted to ask about, as it's slightly shady, but I think it has some value. I'm near the end of a redesign and am working on the help section currently, there's some troubleshooting advice on pop-ups, which although don't really apply anymore due to my removing them and/or using accessible popup code, am keeping the articles for... ... - start contents of a registry file -- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\New Windows\Allow\] *.yourdomainaddress.com=hex: - end contents of a registry file -- ...Would add your site to the allow list for pop ups in ie. This and other browsing problems could potentially be fixed very easily. I like this because users just run the file and they're away, but I'm cringing in the same way you probably are when reading..it all feels a bit shady doesn't it? What do you think? Jamie Mason: Design // Skysports.com http://www.skysports.com/ , Central House, Beckwith Knowle, Otley Road, Harrogate, HG3 1UF
