Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[tee]

Hi Nathan, thanks for bringing up the question to Ingo, otherwise I might
just happily copy his code without asking why.

Now I am going back to read the article second time.

tee
> Nathan Rutman schrieb:
 Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the
>> parent of the element via the Holly hack.
>> 
>> What does that mean?  You want to give a height:0 to the parent
>> element?  I don't get it...
> 
> Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here:
> http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2&cid=C37E0
> 
> The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the
> container, but to let the block gain "layout". "Layout" can only be
> described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to
> establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for drawing
> its own content.
> 
> Explorer's "dimensional" bugs are related to the presence or absence of
> "layout": http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html
> 
> Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does on
> a local simplified copy, though.
> 
> You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I can
> confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the wrapping
> of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end with
> italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float leaves a
> single line blank near to the last "bottom line" of the float, and so
> on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces more problems
> like duplicated last characters.
> 
> Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page.
> 

> 

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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[tee]

Hi, Ingo, thank you very much. IT WORKS!

> Sense? We still speak of IE, don't we?

Well, the reason I thought it wasn't make sense was because I grouped all h3
together therefore the background image should either show or not, to all.
It just proves again, I have so much to learn.

tee
> Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent
> of the element via the Holly hack.
> 
> /* \*/
> * html #preamble,
> * html #supportingText,
> * html #explanation,
> * html #furtherExplanation,
> * html #schools {_height:0; }
> /* */
> 
> Ingo

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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[Nathan Rutman]

Oh, that IS interesting!  And very helpful.  Thanks for sharing!

-Nate


Ingo Chao wrote:


Nathan Rutman schrieb:

 >> Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the 
parent of the element via the Holly hack.


What does that mean?  You want to give a height:0 to the parent 
element?  I don't get it...



Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here:
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2&cid=C37E0

The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the 
container, but to let the block gain "layout". "Layout" can only be 
described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to 
establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for 
drawing its own content.


Explorer's "dimensional" bugs are related to the presence or absence 
of "layout": http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html


Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does 
on a local simplified copy, though.


You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I 
can confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the 
wrapping of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end 
with italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float 
leaves a single line blank near to the last "bottom line" of the 
float, and so on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces 
more problems like duplicated last characters.


Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page.

Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[Ingo Chao]

Nathan Rutman schrieb:
 >> Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the 
parent of the element via the Holly hack.


What does that mean?  You want to give a height:0 to the parent 
element?  I don't get it...


Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here:
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2&cid=C37E0

The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the 
container, but to let the block gain "layout". "Layout" can only be 
described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to 
establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for drawing 
its own content.


Explorer's "dimensional" bugs are related to the presence or absence of 
"layout": http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html


Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does on 
a local simplified copy, though.


You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I can 
confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the wrapping 
of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end with 
italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float leaves a 
single line blank near to the last "bottom line" of the float, and so 
on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces more problems 
like duplicated last characters.


Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page.

Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[Nathan Rutman]

>> Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the 
parent of the element via the Holly hack.


What does that mean?  You want to give a height:0 to the parent 
element?  I don't get it...

-Nate

*Nathan Rutman* ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )
Corporate Communications Designer

*Solvepoint Corporation*
882 South Matlack Street, Suite 110
West Chester, PA 19382
800.388.1850 x1208
484.356.0990 (fax)
www.solvepoint.com 



Ingo Chao wrote:


tee schrieb:


Here is the url:
http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dojoprocedures.html
Another page that is using the #preamble is 'Karate overview'.

There should have a fist image next to 'Dojo' and 'Karate overview', but
it's not there in PC IE 5.5/6.




Sense? We still speak of IE, don't we?

Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the 
parent of the element via the Holly hack.


/* \*/
* html #preamble,
* html #supportingText,
* html #explanation,
* html #furtherExplanation,
* html #schools {_height:0; }
/* */

Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[Ingo Chao]

tee schrieb:

Here is the url:
http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dojoprocedures.html
Another page that is using the #preamble is 'Karate overview'.

There should have a fist image next to 'Dojo' and 'Karate overview', but
it's not there in PC IE 5.5/6.



Sense? We still speak of IE, don't we?

Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent 
of the element via the Holly hack.


/* \*/
* html #preamble,
* html #supportingText,
* html #explanation,
* html #furtherExplanation,
* html #schools {_height:0; }
/* */

Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[Nathan Rutman]

Tee,

I had a similar error when creating external link images utilizing a 
background image.  In my case, the background image being ignored was on 
a link that preceded a comma.  Once removing the comma the background 
image showed.  Now, that doesn't make any sense to me, but I would try 
changing your text to see if you can get the image to appear.  If so, 
then at least we know it's the same problem (meaning, it's not a 
solution, but it might help diagnose the problem).


Hope that helps,
-Nate

*Nathan Rutman* ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )
Corporate Communications Designer

*Solvepoint Corporation*
882 South Matlack Street, Suite 110
West Chester, PA 19382
800.388.1850 x1208
484.356.0990 (fax)
www.solvepoint.com 



tee wrote:


I have a group of h3 that shares the same background image.


#preamble h3, #supportingText h3, #explanation h3, #furtherExplanation h3,
#footnote h3 {
   font: normal 1.2em Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
   color: #573900;
   margin-left: 165px;
   padding: 35px 0 15px 40px;
   background: url(images/fist.jpg) no-repeat 0px 30px;
}

The #preamble h3 background image not showing up in PC IE but the rest of
the h3 are ok. This is all very strange, I can't find what I did wrong.

Here is the url:
http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dojoprocedures.html
Another page that is using the #preamble is 'Karate overview'.

There should have a fist image next to 'Dojo' and 'Karate overview', but
it's not there in PC IE 5.5/6.

Regards,

Tee

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[WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense

[tee]

I have a group of h3 that shares the same background image.


#preamble h3, #supportingText h3, #explanation h3, #furtherExplanation h3,
#footnote h3 {
font: normal 1.2em Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
color: #573900;
margin-left: 165px;
padding: 35px 0 15px 40px;
background: url(images/fist.jpg) no-repeat 0px 30px;
}

The #preamble h3 background image not showing up in PC IE but the rest of
the h3 are ok. This is all very strange, I can't find what I did wrong.

Here is the url:
http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dojoprocedures.html
Another page that is using the #preamble is 'Karate overview'.

There should have a fist image next to 'Dojo' and 'Karate overview', but
it's not there in PC IE 5.5/6.

Regards,

Tee

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