[WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hi Grant, I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but this might help: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns Unfortunately, this does require some javascript as IE doesn't support a few CSS elements. Cheers, Jelina On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hi Grant, Maybe this can help: http://free-css-menu.com/vertical-css-menu.html SteF. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.auwrote: Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- stephaneblanchard.ca designer web www.twitter.com/stefblanchard www.facebook.com/stefblanchard *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
If you're talking about a tree-like menu, I've never come across a purely CSS one. It strikes me that CSS alone doesn't have the vocabulary to deal with something that requires an 'expanded' and 'collapsed' state. If you're worried about accessibility, either * expand it all by default, and use JavaScript to collapse and expand it or * do a page-reload if there's simply too much content to have it all expanded at once. (And then disable that if a user has JS turned on). This kind of thing is very easily accomplishable with something like jQuery, and you can generally work through or around any accessibility concerns. - Josh -- www.oxideinteractive.com.au On 29/6/2010 9:30 AM, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hi Grant, It’s great you’re looking for an accessible menu solution, but I’d recommend not throwing away javascript solutions in the process. Yahoo has some great information on adding WAI-Aria roles and states to menu buttons using javascript that you may be able to adapt for your purposes without too much trouble. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/examples/node-focusmanager/node-focusmanager-3.html They also provide a menu plugin that might be useful to you. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/menuwaiaria.html Cheers, S From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 9:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hi Grant, You're meaning the sort of tree-menu arrangements that have a little plus next to items with children, and clicking the plus makes the children appear and push the other elements further down, right? I don't believe what you're looking for is possible, as that sort of hierarchical menu requires changes that stick rather than just activating on hover. CSS just isn't designed to do that sort of thing. Then again, JavaScript doesn't automatically mean inaccessible. What concerns in particular did you have about JS making the menu inaccessible? Cheers, Seona. On 29 June 2010 09:30, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
Hi Grant, I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usability issues. -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu
The YUI3 menu widget has great accessibility support http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/node-menunav/ Accessibility Usability Minded The MenuNav Node Plugin was built with both accessibility and usability in mind. The MenuNav Node Plugin implements established mouse and keyboard interaction patterns to deliver a user experience that is both familiar and easy to use. To that foundation the MenuNav Node plugin adds support for screen readers through the use of the WAI-ARIA Roles and States. Watch this video for a quick a demo of a menu created using the MenuNav Node Plugin using the WAI-ARIA Roles and States running in Firefox 3 using the Window-Eyes screen reader. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hi Grant, I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usability issues. -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] css drop down input
Hi everyone
I have a input drop down field that I need to controls its width.
I know I can put a class or id in the tags but I don't want to do it
that way.
Here is the css where I can get a text box to work but
I can't get the drop down to do the same thing
#menu input#s {
width: 80%;
margin:0px 0px 5px 0px;
background: #fff;
border: 1px solid #999;
color: #000;
}
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Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Paul, You can use select drop down box instead of buttons for the CSS switching - this can minimize the space in page and usability will be effective for the end users On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.comwrote: At 2/4/2010 10:43 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Here is the page using your example: http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-from-wsg2.shtml http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-from-wsg2.shtml I recommend that you give folks a corresponding button to turn styling back on after they switch it off. Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
On 4 Feb 2010, at 07:42, Joshua Street wrote: The validator does correctly parse as per the spec. The spec defines a way for vendor prefixes to exist without conflicting with anything in CSS, no more. This makes them part of the grammar, not the vocabulary, and the validator checks both. The CSS 2.1 specification says Authors should avoid vendor-specific extensions. I agree vendor-specific extensions do not constitute acceptable vocabulary, but as the specification allows a grammatical means for their inclusion it seems counter-productive to flag them as errors. It provides a means for vendors to experiment without conflicting with real CSS, and for authors to *test* those features. The specification assures authors and vendors that An initial dash or underscore is guaranteed never to be used in a property or keyword by any current or future level of CSS - and, accordingly, they are (and will remain) grammatically permissible / safe for use. The imperative to avoid these extensions lacks explanation and, while this list is (by virtue of our name!) perhaps not the place for such views, seems to stem from the desire to preserve the appearance of standardisation rather than maximising the utility and flexibility of the standard in question. The appearance of standardisation? The whole point of vendor extensions is that they are non-standard. Some of them are experimental implementations of standard features, some of them are experimental implementations of proposed features which may appear in future standards, some of them are outright proprietary. They are not standard. As a counterpoint to this, of course, using standards-compliant techniques to achieve an outcome will more successfully preserve interoperability into the future. However, I would assert the advice to avoid vendor-specific extensions should be constrained by this, rather than suggesting that a guaranteed future-compatible (albeit potentially no longer functional, contingent on ongoing vendor support) identifier should be avoided unswervingly. They aren't guaranteed future-compatible. Vendor: We propose this feature and have implemented this as -vendor-foo Other Vendor: Well, it has these problems, what if ... Vendor: OK. We've changed the way it works. All the slightly older clients supporting the original implementation promptly break. How would this be implemented anyway? Anything that looks like a vendor prefix works? -moz-bowder-wadius: Congratulations! It is valid! But why doesn't it work? Or does someone try to maintain a list of all the different extensions? The CSS 2.1 specification lists 12 known vendors who use the vendor prefix. Who is going to maintain a central list of all proprietary extensions and the values they accept? How would they be versioned? -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks Jayachandran!
That definitely works but is there a way that it could keep the CSS off
when the visitor leaves the page? Using a cookie maybe?
Here is the page using your example:
http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-fro
m-wsg2.shtml
Thank you,
Kevin
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Jayachandran Kandasamy
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping
you - if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/script
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a
clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Sorry. That question wasn't very clear. I meant when the visitor goes to
other pages on the site I would like the CSS to remain off using a
cookie. Do you have a way to do that?
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:44 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks Jayachandran!
That definitely works but is there a way that it could keep the CSS off
when the visitor leaves the page? Using a cookie maybe?
Here is the page using your example:
http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-fro
m-wsg2.shtml
Thank you,
Kevin
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Jayachandran Kandasamy
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping
you - if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/script
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a
clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
Hi I guess it's understand the consequences and use at your own risk. I doubt a vendor will change the spelling and if they do, I'm pretty sure they'd maintain BC by allowing both to work. Using the example of *-radius, the vendor differences are more to do with what the values selected will render as rather than the naming, for instance webkit allows elliptical curves while moz only allows regular curves: http://www.css3.info/border-radius-apple-vs-mozilla/ Apparently, webkit more closely resembles the CSS3 spec. Mozilla may change their interpretation leading to possibly unexpected results (which you can then fix). Opera is apparently going to be supporting 'border-radius' in an upcoming Presto release. The end-goal is for all the major browsers to switch to border-radius and then ignore their vendor specifc version, to avoid conflicts. There are plenty of options to create curve-edged boxes but the CSS method is the easiest programatically to implement, followed by creating PNG quadrants on the fly with Imagick or similar and positioning them using CSS. Opera allows SVG backgrounds, so they can be created on-the-fly as XML. Plenty of designers cap a box top and bottom with two curved slices but that's a pain to implement in flexible layouts. To answer a question further back, yes border-radius should be last in the list after the vendor extensions. Cheers James They aren't guaranteed future-compatible. Vendor: We propose this feature and have implemented this as -vendor-foo Other Vendor: Well, it has these problems, what if ... Vendor: OK. We've changed the way it works. All the slightly older clients supporting the original implementation promptly break. How would this be implemented anyway? Anything that looks like a vendor prefix works? -moz-bowder-wadius: Congratulations! It is valid! But why doesn't it work? Or does someone try to maintain a list of all the different extensions? The CSS 2.1 specification lists 12 known vendors who use the vendor prefix. Who is going to maintain a central list of all proprietary extensions and the values they accept? How would they be versioned? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I will let you know about the cookie technique soon :)
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Thanks Jayachandran!
That definitely works but is there a way that it could keep the CSS off
when the visitor leaves the page? Using a cookie maybe?
Here is the page using your example:
http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-from-wsg2.shtml
Thank you,
Kevin
--
*From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Jayachandran Kandasamy
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:25 AM
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping you
- if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script
src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/scripthttp://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable
button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
At 2/4/2010 10:43 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Here is the page using your example: http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-from-wsg2.shtmlhttp://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-from-wsg2.shtml I recommend that you give folks a corresponding button to turn styling back on after they switch it off. Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] CSS Validation Error
When I am validating a site that I am working on using the W3C Validator I get errors with *-moz-border-radius-bottomleft*. Is this because it is CSS3? Error Reads: Property -moz-border-radius-bottomleft doesn't exist : 5px 5px Cheers Daniel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
-moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3) -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Anderson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:12 PM To: wsg Subject: [WSG] CSS Validation Error When I am validating a site that I am working on using the W3C Validator I get errors with -moz-border-radius-bottomleft. Is this because it is CSS3? Error Reads: Property -moz-border-radius-bottomleft doesn't exist : 5px 5px Cheers Daniel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: -moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3) Actually, vendor prefixes are a part of both CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#vendor-keywords as well as the CSS3 working draft... they're for proprietary extensions, of course, but it's always seemed odd to me that the validator doesn't recognise a vendor-prefix as per spec (irrespective of the specific vendor extension) and ignore it accordingly. -- Josh Street http://josh.st/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
Hi
You can safely ignore any -prefix validation errors (-moz, -webkit, -opera)
- they are never going to validate on the W3C validator. The point of the
vendor specific rules is to do stuff the W3C haven't standardised yet.
The validator should probably ignore them as well. If you really must have a
valid stylesheet then you can stick vendor specific stuff in a vendor.css
and not validate it (because it won't).
#blob {
border-radius : 5px;
-webkit-border-radius : 5px;/* safari, chrome, arora etc */
-moz-border-radius : 5px;/* firefox and pals*/
-khtml-border-radius : 5px;/* konquerer */
}
Noting that webkit and moz have different names for the rules, watch out for
that.
Theoretically, when a browser supports border-radius, it should switch from
its vendor specific rule to the standard rule.
Cheers
James
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz
thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote:
-moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3)
--
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Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com
*From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Daniel Anderson
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:12 PM
*To:* wsg
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS Validation Error
When I am validating a site that I am working on using the W3C Validator I
get errors with *-moz-border-radius-bottomleft*.
Is this because it is CSS3?
Error Reads:
Property -moz-border-radius-bottomleft doesn't exist : 5px 5px
Cheers
Daniel
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RE: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: -moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3) Actually, vendor prefixes are a part of both CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#vendor-keywords as well as the CSS3 working draft... they're for proprietary extensions, of course, but it's always seemed odd to me that the validator doesn't recognise a vendor-prefix as per spec (irrespective of the specific vendor extension) and ignore it accordingly. The prefix may be part of it to address parsing issues, but - afaik - that does not make these extensions CSS properties. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
#blob {
border-radius : 5px;
-webkit-border-radius : 5px;/* safari, chrome, arora etc */
-moz-border-radius : 5px;/* firefox and pals*/
-khtml-border-radius : 5px;/* konquerer */
}
I believe it would make more sense to reverse that order and have
border-radius come *last* in the declaration block
--
Regards,
Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of James Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:10 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
Hi
You can safely ignore any -prefix validation errors (-moz, -webkit, -opera)
- they are never going to validate on the W3C validator. The point of the
vendor specific rules is to do stuff the W3C haven't standardised yet.
The validator should probably ignore them as well. If you really must have a
valid stylesheet then you can stick vendor specific stuff in a vendor.css
and not validate it (because it won't).
#blob {
border-radius : 5px;
-webkit-border-radius : 5px;/* safari, chrome, arora etc */
-moz-border-radius : 5px;/* firefox and pals*/
-khtml-border-radius : 5px;/* konquerer */
}
Noting that webkit and moz have different names for the rules, watch out for
that.
Theoretically, when a browser supports border-radius, it should switch from
its vendor specific rule to the standard rule.
Cheers
James
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz
thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote:
-moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3)
--
Regards,
Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:12 PM
To: wsg
Subject: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
When I am validating a site that I am working on using the W3C Validator I
get errors with -moz-border-radius-bottomleft.
Is this because it is CSS3?
Error Reads:
Property -moz-border-radius-bottomleft doesn't exist : 5px 5px
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: -moz is a vendor prefix (not CSS3) Actually, vendor prefixes are a part of both CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#vendor-keywords as well as the CSS3 working draft... they're for proprietary extensions, of course, but it's always seemed odd to me that the validator doesn't recognise a vendor-prefix as per spec (irrespective of the specific vendor extension) and ignore it accordingly. The prefix may be part of it to address parsing issues, but - afaik - that does not make these extensions CSS properties. Indeed - yet therein lies the frustration at the validator failing to correctly parse as per spec. -- Josh Street http://josh.st/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
On 4 Feb 2010, at 03:29, Joshua Street wrote: The prefix may be part of it to address parsing issues, but - afaik - that does not make these extensions CSS properties. Indeed - yet therein lies the frustration at the validator failing to correctly parse as per spec. The validator does correctly parse as per the spec. The spec defines a way for vendor prefixes to exist without conflicting with anything in CSS, no more. This makes them part of the grammar, not the vocabulary, and the validator checks both. The CSS 2.1 specification says Authors should avoid vendor-specific extensions. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation Error
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:16 PM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote: On 4 Feb 2010, at 03:29, Joshua Street wrote: The prefix may be part of it to address parsing issues, but - afaik - that does not make these extensions CSS properties. Indeed - yet therein lies the frustration at the validator failing to correctly parse as per spec. The validator does correctly parse as per the spec. The spec defines a way for vendor prefixes to exist without conflicting with anything in CSS, no more. This makes them part of the grammar, not the vocabulary, and the validator checks both. The CSS 2.1 specification says Authors should avoid vendor-specific extensions. I agree vendor-specific extensions do not constitute acceptable vocabulary, but as the specification allows a grammatical means for their inclusion it seems counter-productive to flag them as errors. The specification assures authors and vendors that An initial dash or underscore is guaranteed never to be used in a property or keyword by any current or future level of CSS - and, accordingly, they are (and will remain) grammatically permissible / safe for use. The imperative to avoid these extensions lacks explanation and, while this list is (by virtue of our name!) perhaps not the place for such views, seems to stem from the desire to preserve the appearance of standardisation rather than maximising the utility and flexibility of the standard in question. As a counterpoint to this, of course, using standards-compliant techniques to achieve an outcome will more successfully preserve interoperability into the future. However, I would assert the advice to avoid vendor-specific extensions should be constrained by this, rather than suggesting that a guaranteed future-compatible (albeit potentially no longer functional, contingent on ongoing vendor support) identifier should be avoided unswervingly. So I guess my problem is with the language of the specification as much as with the validator - but I feel there is probably enough ambiguity in the specification around this (i.e. why introduce a feature only to advise authors to avoid implementations applying this feature?!) that the validator should, on the basis of grammar, accept flexible vocabulary following this dash (-) or underscore (_) prefix. There are good, pragmatic reasons for both approaches - but erring on the side of flexibility here does nothing to damage the abilities of compliant user-agents, or the fabric of the standards-based web. Particularly in seasons where we wait for finalisation of good and important features into usable, non-draft-form standards, the validator's interpretation remains unhelpful. -- Josh Street http://josh.st/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS off button
On 27 January 2010 17:55, Jayachandran Kandasamy
jayachandran.kandas...@gmail.com wrote:
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
I’m pretty sure this will remove the head element and everything in it.
Link elements are also used for more than just loading CSS so you
wouldn’t want to remove them without checking the type or rel
attribute too.
Regarding the JavaScript
http://api.jquery.com/
http://forum.jquery.com/
Cheers
Ollie
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Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Oliver,
This wont remove the head element but only the style and link tags .. but I
didnt do the attribute level, I will try it out man.. thanks for the
suggestion :)
Cheers
JC
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Oliver Boermans boerm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 January 2010 17:55, Jayachandran Kandasamy
jayachandran.kandas...@gmail.com wrote:
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
I’m pretty sure this will remove the head element and everything in it.
Link elements are also used for more than just loading CSS so you
wouldn’t want to remove them without checking the type or rel
attribute too.
Regarding the JavaScript
http://api.jquery.com/
http://forum.jquery.com/
Cheers
Ollie
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Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping you
- if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script
src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/scripthttp://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable
button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Yes. I have a prototype with the imports and it DOES work. Thanks -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button That's because you have so many different css files link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/508.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/core.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/body_content.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/general_html.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/header.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/leftnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/rightnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/custom_styles.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/footer.css type=text/css / It might work better if you had a base css that included imports within it to the sub css files. When you switch that with a new css file the imports should also be skipped. I haven't tested that, but I think it would work. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button Thanks for the responses. The reason I am looking for something along these lines it to have a text only look. A state requirement by State of Virginia for all government web sites. I like the style switcher idea which I am already using but when I switch to an alternate style it only changes what I specify in that alternate CSS file. A blank CSS file would change nothing. Or am I missing something about how to use the style switcher. I have it used in the far right of the banner for changing the text size here: http://www.doe.virginia.gov. cheers -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS off button
At 1/22/2010 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? To be perhaps overly precise, I'm guessing that you probably don't want to turn off *all* styling because that would render your document as one long string of undifferentiated text, but instead you want to keep the browser's default styling and/or the user's custom styling and suppress the page author's additional styling. The approach would most likely be to strip out the style elements from the html head and the style attributes from all elements on the page. I think it would be unreasonable to ask a program to also suppress styling imposed by client-side scripting but if you were being paid enough this would be doable. The best practice way to do this would be, first of all, to provide a submit button or link that asked a server-side script to re-deliver the current page with style elements and attributes removed. Then you could add a JavaScript layer that intercepted the button click and stripped away styling on the fly. I don't think removing the style elements in the head after a page is rendered has the desired effect, so you'd probably have to delete all the children of the style object in addition to deleting the style attributes on the page. Depending on your purpose, you'd also want to decide whether to strip other presentational elements and attributes at the same time. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS off button
I think your requirements may be a bit confused. I would suggest you look at two articles 1. backwards compatible style switcher http://www.alistapart.com/articles/n4switch/ 2. zoom layout by Sir Joe Clark http://www.alistapart.com/articles/lowvision/ Joe tells you why it's a good idea to create an alternate style sheet that is single column, stark, and full of contrast. You could use this theory to switch your user to a simplified style sheet that still maintains some control The style switcher is the script that you are looking for. It's the disable css button. If you really want to turn off css, just have it switch to an empty css file. Ted -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks for the responses. The reason I am looking for something along these lines it to have a text only look. A state requirement by State of Virginia for all government web sites. I like the style switcher idea which I am already using but when I switch to an alternate style it only changes what I specify in that alternate CSS file. A blank CSS file would change nothing. Or am I missing something about how to use the style switcher. I have it used in the far right of the banner for changing the text size here: http://www.doe.virginia.gov. cheers -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS off button
That's because you have so many different css files link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/508.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/core.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/body_content.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/general_html.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/header.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/leftnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/rightnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/custom_styles.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/footer.css type=text/css / It might work better if you had a base css that included imports within it to the sub css files. When you switch that with a new css file the imports should also be skipped. I haven't tested that, but I think it would work. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button Thanks for the responses. The reason I am looking for something along these lines it to have a text only look. A state requirement by State of Virginia for all government web sites. I like the style switcher idea which I am already using but when I switch to an alternate style it only changes what I specify in that alternate CSS file. A blank CSS file would change nothing. Or am I missing something about how to use the style switcher. I have it used in the far right of the banner for changing the text size here: http://www.doe.virginia.gov. cheers -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css vallidation
Hi Marvin,
Why there are several properties for the same selector and written twice ..
few of them repeating .. can you please optimise it ?
Try giving the background-color: transparent instead of
background:transparent and try out..
May be some problem with the validator
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:
hi.
how to fix this.
will paste my errors and the css.
and what colours to put in for names.
cheers Marvin.
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}
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clear : left;
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text-align : center;
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text-align : center;
}
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color : #008000;
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color : #22bb22;
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display : none;
}
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display : block;
position : absolute;
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left : 5px;
width : 100px;
text-decoration : none;
}
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color : #ff;
}
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color : #ff;
text-decoration : none;
}
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}
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margin-left : 10px;
margin-right : 10px;
voice-family : \}\;
voice-family : inherit;
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margin-right : 131px;
}
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margin-left : 10px;
margin-right : 10px;
}
#nav {
position : absolute;
left : 10px;
top : 100px;
width : 100px;
text-align : center;
}
#wrapper {
width : 960px;
background-color : #fff;
margin : 10px auto 0 auto;
}
#banner_new {
text-align : center;
}
#navigation {
margin : 10px;
overflow : hidden;
}
#navigation li {
display : block;
float : left;
}
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display : block;
float : left;
background-image :
url('../../Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/images/nav_banana.png');
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-attachment : scroll;
padding-left : 32px;
padding-right : 16px;
padding-top : 0;
padding-bottom : 20px;
background-position : top;
}
#navigation li a {
display : block;
float : left;
background : transparent;
padding : 0 16px 20px 0;
}
*#main_content {
margin : 10px;
}
.specials {
float : left;
width : 470px;
height : 250px;
}
.specials img {
float : left;
padding : 10px;
}
#footer {
margin : 10px;
overflow : hidden;
}
#footer li {
display : block;
float : left;
}
#footer li a {
display : block;
float : left;
background-image :
url('../../Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/images/nav_banana.png');
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-attachment : scroll;
padding-left : 32px;
padding-right : 16px;
padding-top : 0;
padding-bottom : 20px;
background-position : top;
}
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p.first:first-letter
{
text-transform:capitalize;
font-style: italic;
}
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif;
background: #fff;
}
.left { float: left; padding: 0 8px 8px 0; }
.clear {clear: left; }
h1
{
text-align: center;
}
h2
{
text-align: center;
}
a:link
{
color: #008000;
}
a:visited
{
color: #22bb22;
}
div#links a span
{
display: none;
}
div#links a:hover span
{
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 350px;
left: 5px;
width: 100px;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover
{
background-color: #006400;
color: #FF;
}
a:active
{
color: #FF;
text-decoration: none;
}
#banner
{
text-align: center;
}
#content
{
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
voice-family: \}\;
voice-family: inherit;
margin-left: 131px;
margin-right:131px;
}
body #content {
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
}
#nav
{
position: absolute;
left: 10px;
top: 100px;
width: 100px;
text-align: center;
}
#wrapper {
[WSG] css vallidation
hi.
how to fix this.
will paste my errors and the css.
and what colours to put in for names.
cheers Marvin.
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p.first:first-letter {
text-transform : capitalize;
font-style : italic;
}
body {
font : 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif;
background : #fff;
}
.left {
float : left;
padding : 0 8px 8px 0;
}
.clear {
clear : left;
}
h1 {
text-align : center;
}
h2 {
text-align : center;
}
a:link {
color : #008000;
}
a:visited {
color : #22bb22;
}
div#links a span {
display : none;
}
div#links a:hover span {
display : block;
position : absolute;
top : 350px;
left : 5px;
width : 100px;
text-decoration : none;
}
a:hover {
background-color : #006400;
color : #ff;
}
a:active {
color : #ff;
text-decoration : none;
}
#banner {
text-align : center;
}
#content {
margin-left : 10px;
margin-right : 10px;
voice-family : \}\;
voice-family : inherit;
margin-left : 131px;
margin-right : 131px;
}
body #content {
margin-left : 10px;
margin-right : 10px;
}
#nav {
position : absolute;
left : 10px;
top : 100px;
width : 100px;
text-align : center;
}
#wrapper {
width : 960px;
background-color : #fff;
margin : 10px auto 0 auto;
}
#banner_new {
text-align : center;
}
#navigation {
margin : 10px;
overflow : hidden;
}
#navigation li {
display : block;
float : left;
}
#navigation li a {
display : block;
float : left;
background-image :
url('../../Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/images/nav_banana.png');
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-attachment : scroll;
padding-left : 32px;
padding-right : 16px;
padding-top : 0;
padding-bottom : 20px;
background-position : top;
}
#navigation li a {
display : block;
float : left;
background : transparent;
padding : 0 16px 20px 0;
}
#main_content {
margin : 10px;
}
.specials {
float : left;
width : 470px;
height : 250px;
}
.specials img {
float : left;
padding : 10px;
}
#footer {
margin : 10px;
overflow : hidden;
}
#footer li {
display : block;
float : left;
}
#footer li a {
display : block;
float : left;
background-image :
url('../../Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/images/nav_banana.png');
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-attachment : scroll;
padding-left : 32px;
padding-right : 16px;
padding-top : 0;
padding-bottom : 20px;
background-position : top;
}
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p.first:first-letter
{
text-transform:capitalize;
font-style: italic;
}
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif;
background: #fff;
}
.left { float: left; padding: 0 8px 8px 0; }
.clear {clear: left; }
h1
{
text-align: center;
}
h2
{
text-align: center;
}
a:link
{
color: #008000;
}
a:visited
{
color: #22bb22;
}
div#links a span
{
display: none;
}
div#links a:hover span
{
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 350px;
left: 5px;
width: 100px;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover
{
background-color: #006400;
color: #FF;
}
a:active
{
color: #FF;
text-decoration: none;
}
#banner
{
text-align: center;
}
#content
{
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
voice-family: \}\;
voice-family: inherit;
margin-left: 131px;
margin-right:131px;
}
body #content {
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
}
#nav
{
position: absolute;
left: 10px;
top: 100px;
width: 100px;
text-align: center;
}
#wrapper { width: 960px; background-color: #fff; margin: 10px auto 0 auto;}
#banner_new { text-align: center; }
#navigation { margin: 10px; overflow: hidden;}
#navigation li { display:block; float:left; }
#navigation li a { display: block; float: left; background-image:
url('../../Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/images/nav_banana.png');
background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: left;
background-attachment: scroll; padding-left: 32px;
padding-right: 16px; padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 20px;
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote: Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut with derision. There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%. That's not an explanation. ALA published a follow-up by Richard on the same topic, do they not know what they're talking about either? - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] css tutorial
Also, please try our Opera Web Standards Curriculum section 27 entitled CSS
basics,
written and contributed by Christian Heilmann.
Here is the hyperlink to it: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/27-css-basics/
There are a bunch of typos in there.
- Extra semi-colons,
- The :first-line and :first-letter pseudo-elements contain 2 --
- There is an extra ( in the :lang() pseudo-class example.
Also, because of the uniqueness nature of ID, I'm not sure the example below
makes much sense (unless the author uses the same ID on various elements across
a site).
div#example{}
matches the element with the id attribute example, but only when it is a div
Things like that don't help people who are looking for basic tutorials because
if they come to learn the syntax we can't expect them to spot typos or bad
practice.
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Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Jan 15, 2010, at 1:45 AM, Matthew Pennell wrote: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.com wrote: Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut With derision. There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%. That's not an explanation. ALA published a follow-up by Richard on the same topic, do they not know what they're talking about either? - Matthew http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/ I have great difficulty to read the above site (16px in body tag) and the dev.opera in my 27 iMac which is 2560 x 1440 resolution. Firefox web developer reveals that it has a 13px for p tag, but I find it hard to read, perhaps the font is the cause. Mezzo Blue has 12px yet it's more readable. Font size in smaller percentage or pixel in body tag creates more problem for larger screen? Apple sold million copies of its new iMac, likely is just a drop in computer user pool, it does however brought to my attention to have to pay attention to these users. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.com wrote: Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut with derision. There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%. That's not an explanation. ALA published a follow-up by Richard on the same topic, do they not know what they're talking about either? Actually, on ALA I find the text small and the sans-serif font does not help. I have a user styles sheet that sets the font-size on body (100%). It turns out that the sites that think they get it right for most users are the ones that look the weirdest. One I'm surprised to find in that batch is http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/ With font-size:100% one gets huge *and* tiny fonts on the same page. Imho, this goes against allowing users to browse the web the way *they* choose. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] css error
hi. well how to fix this. and could this be releated to the internet explorer 8 problem. please help me out and show me how to fix this error in my css. that is what i am asking you knowelable people on this list. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css error
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
well how to fix this.
Marvin.
Go to your CSS file.
Find the declaration that reads:
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif; -- :: add
background: #fff;
}
Amend that declaration to read:
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif;
background: #fff;
}
Reply to the list. Not me. Thank you, Marvin.
Best,
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[WSG] css tutorial
hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
Hi Marvin, The w3schools tutorial is handy: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_intro.asp The reference is useful too: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp Cheers, Rob Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *Rob Turner* Founder www. f l e x a d a t a .com http://flexadata.com *+1 415 448 7652* *+61 7 3040 1337* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***attachment: rob.vcf
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
Marvin, You may want to try checking out the W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp That site should provide you with way more than enough information to do a couple of tutorials.. Cheers, DougB - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: [WSG] css tutorial hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Doug Burt wrote: Marvin, You may want to try checking out the W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp That site should provide you with way more than enough information to do a couple of tutorials.. Unless their CSS tutorial is better than their HTML, I'd avoid w3schools like the plague! - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: [WSG] css tutorial hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] css tutorial
Hi Marvin, If you're looking for help on CSS and some reference materials then I can't recommend the SitePoint CSS Reference [Located at: http://reference.sitepoint.com/css] highly enough. And as Chris said, I'd avoid W3Schools.com like the plague, it is severely lacking in up to date tutorial materials. All the best, Andrew Cooper P.S This is my first reply in the WSG Mailing List! :) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:35:45 -0500 From: ch...@cfajohnson.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] css tutorial On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Doug Burt wrote: Marvin, You may want to try checking out the W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp That site should provide you with way more than enough information to do a couple of tutorials.. Unless their CSS tutorial is better than their HTML, I'd avoid w3schools like the plague! - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: [WSG] css tutorial hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** _ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Andrew Cooper wrote: Hi Marvin, If you're looking for help on CSS and some reference materials then I can't recommend the SitePoint CSS Reference [Located at:http://reference.sitepoint.com/css] highly enough. And as Chris said, I'd avoid W3Schools.com like the plague, it is severely lacking in up to date tutorial materials. How could nobody mentions http://css.maxdesign.com.au/ We owe Russ this much :) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
Hi Marvin. Also, please try our Opera Web Standards Curriculum section 27 entitled CSS basics, written and contributed by Christian Heilmann. Here is the hyperlink to it: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/27-css-basics/ Hope this helps you out a bit, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Frank Palinkas wrote:
Hi Marvin.
Also, please try our Opera Web Standards Curriculum section 27 entitled CSS
basics, written and contributed by Christian Heilmann.
Here is the hyperlink to it:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/27-css-basics/
I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:
hi.
well a member of blind geeks.
and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css.
did learn css in my web design course in 2007.
and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently.
but my question is:
what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to
write a short css tutorial.
and how to write one.
and what do i need to put in it.
just asking.
i do know css, but a bit rusty.
and totally blind.
so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen.
so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for
this
technical group.
--
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Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote:
I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css
If you're going to snipe, it's a good idea to provide an explanation and say
why you think something is a bad idea.
http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/
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Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Matthew Pennell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson
ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote:
I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css
If you're going to snipe, it's a good idea to provide an explanation and say
why you think something is a bad idea.
http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/
Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut
with derision.
There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%.
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Re: [WSG] CSS Popup
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:14 PM, David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/10 11:25 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:
Hello list,
I tried to repurpose this example from Eric Meyer:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html
His page works in IE6.
My attempt, however, does not. Can anyone see why?
http://www.mlinc.com/css_popup/
Thanks in advance
Yup. You need to give an explicit rule for a:hover to get IE 6 to
cooperate. Not all properties work, either, IIRC. My choice is
a:hover { background-position: 0 0; }
YMMV.
Cordially,
David
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[WSG] CSS Popup
Hello list, I tried to repurpose this example from Eric Meyer: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html His page works in IE6. My attempt, however, does not. Can anyone see why? http://www.mlinc.com/css_popup/ Thanks in advance -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Popup
On 1/11/10 11:25 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:
Hello list,
I tried to repurpose this example from Eric Meyer:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html
His page works in IE6.
My attempt, however, does not. Can anyone see why?
http://www.mlinc.com/css_popup/
Thanks in advance
Yup. You need to give an explicit rule for a:hover to get IE 6 to
cooperate. Not all properties work, either, IIRC. My choice is
a:hover { background-position: 0 0; }
YMMV.
Cordially,
David
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RE: [WSG] CSS list-style
Chris,
I am not sure what system you tested this on, but it doesn't work on any
system I tried, and indeed it shouldn't: the marker is a part of the LI
not of the UL.
Regards,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Richard Mather wrote:
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
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RE: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
Chris,
I am not sure what system you tested this on, but it doesn't work on any
system I tried, and indeed it shouldn't: the marker is a part of the LI
not of the UL.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLELowercase latin numbering/TITLE
STYLE type=text/css
ol { list-style-type: lower-roman }
/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
OL
LI This is the first item.
LI This is the second item.
LI This is the third item.
/OL
/BODY
/HTML
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Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Richard Mather wrote:
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
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RE: [WSG] CSS list-style
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
Then apparently Michael Brockington wrote:
Chris,
I am not sure what system you tested this on, but it doesn't work on
any system I tried, and indeed it shouldn't: the marker is a part of
the LI not of the UL.
I believe the problem with this is that the list-style-type is inherited
(it's fine to place it on the UL/OL), so with that last rule you find
both the text and the bullet are black. IIRC there's no easy way around
this apart from using an image or a span, as you are already aware.
HTH
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[WSG] CSS list-style
Hi all,
I'm wondering about colouring bullet points in a ul and wanted to know if
there was a way of having the list-style: a different colour to the text
within the li without having to resort to putting it all within a
spanas per my example:
ul
lispancontent/span/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li span {
color:#000;
}
Many thanks
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Re: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Richard Mather wrote:
Hi all,
I'm wondering about colouring bullet points in a ul and wanted to know if
there was a way of having the list-style: a different colour to the text
within the li without having to resort to putting it all within a
spanas per my example:
ul
lispancontent/span/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li span {
color:#000;
}
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
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RE: [WSG] CSS list-style
Hi Rich,
You can always get rid of the list-style-type and add the disc as an image
in whichever color you want.
I think that on CSS2.1 the disc (or letters or numbers for that matter) will
always be the same color of the list element or as you say, having to add a
span, which is ugly.
Cheers
Raul
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nombre de Richard Mather
Enviado el: martes, 06 de octubre de 2009 19:48
Para: wsg
Asunto: [WSG] CSS list-style
Hi all,
I'm wondering about colouring bullet points in a ul and wanted to know if
there was a way of having the list-style: a different colour to the text
within the li without having to resort to putting it all within a span
as per my example:
ul
lispancontent/span/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li span {
color:#000;
}
Many thanks
Rich
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[WSG] CSS Styling in IE
Hi Everyone, I am having an issue with IE (as most do). http://www.buildline.com.au/newsite/home.aspx The text under the flash sits perfectly in Firefox, but sits off centre in IE. It should be in line with the left side of the flash. Can someone explain to me how to fix this. Thank you in advance. Nass Martino YEHGET MULTYMEDIA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Styling in IE
Hey Nass, It looks like the floated details with Buildline Constructions' address detailsare what's jagging IE; Check out: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/floatIndent.htmlfor an explanation; and some ways to fix Kind regards, Ads, Adam Smith Operations Analyst Network Ten 1 Saunders Street , Pyrmont NSW 2009 , Australia Telephone +61 (02) 9650 0931.Facsimile +61 (02) 9650 1070 .Mobile +61 404 987 690 adsm...@networkten.com.au ten.com.au masterchef.com.au australianidol.com.au rovedaily.com.au dance.ten.com.au ten.com.au.On 19/06/2009 at 12:46 pm, "Nass Martino - Yehget" n...@yehget.com.au wrote: Hi Everyone, I am having an issue with IE (as most do). http://www.buildline.com.au/newsite/home.aspx The text under the flash sits perfectly in Firefox, but sits off centre in IE.It should be in line with the left side of the flash. Can someone explain to me how to fix this. Thank you in advance. Nass Martino YEHGET MULTYMEDIA***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org*** Network Ten Pty Ltd ABN 91 052 515 250 Network Ten Disclaimer This e-mail (including all attachments) is intended solely for the named addressee. If you receive it in error, please let us know by reply e-mail, delete it from your system and destroy the copies. This e-mail is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner. E-mails may be interfered with, may contain computer viruses or other defects and may not be successfully replicated on other systems. We give no warranties in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the authenticity of an e-mail purportedly sent by us, please contact us immediately. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***
Re: [WSG] CSS 3 Media Queries iPhone / Opera Mini 4
Christian Montoya wrote: I am looking into delivering an iPhone-specific stylesheet and I came across this: For example, to specify a style sheet for iPhone, use an expression similar to the following: link media=only screen and (max-device-width: 480px) href=small-device.css type= text/css rel=stylesheet [...] I have been playing with media queries coded directly in the style sheet with some success. These have worked in Opera since version 7, work now in Safari 3, and will work in Firefox 3.5. I am hopeful that both Opera- and Safari-based phones will display as I want, although I have yet to test in anything other than iPhoney - the iPhone emulator for Mac. FWIW this article is the basis of my experiment: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/how-to-serve-the-right-content-to-mobile/ Hope this helps. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] CSS 3 Media Queries iPhone / Opera Mini 4
I am looking into delivering an iPhone-specific stylesheet and I came across this: For example, to specify a style sheet for iPhone, use an expression similar to the following: link media=only screen and (max-device-width: 480px) href=small-device.css type= text/css rel=stylesheet To specify a style sheet for devices other than iPhone, use an expression similar to the following: link media=screen and (min-device-width: 481px) href=not-small-device.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet on this page: http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariWebContent/OptimizingforSafarioniPhone/chapter_3_section_2.html. What I am finding is that I can apply a mobile stylesheet using the first example, but all of my screen stylesheets are still applied. So using the second example I could eliminate this, but my concern is that other browsers will not understand the second example and therefore not render any screen styles at all. What is the preferred course of action here? Can I really inject a media query into all of my link media attributes without affecting older browsers? -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to netrenderer)
but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the top
menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the main
content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the content
(in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to
fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Hi Guys,
This is my first posting.
For clearing floats other reference which could be checked are :
http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/floatclear
Also the book Everything You Know About CSS is Wrong page 26
onwards there is material
regards
dhanishth
At 02:06 PM 1/23/2009, you wrote:
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the
main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to
fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.htmlhttp://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
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RE: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context changes, or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with classes
catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a new layout context
and in turn expand the container to contain all elements. If you want it to
apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /* IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid { overflow:
hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I'd have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it's late :)
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Behalf Of Henrik Madsen
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to netrenderer) but not
in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the top menu and
in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the content (in this
case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to fix things
in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
Generator
hen...@igenerator.com.aumailto:hen...@igenerator.com.au
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
for the code you're using, you'll see that they recommend
conditional comments to trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the head
of your document you should add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context changes,
or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with classes
catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a new
layout context and in turn expand the container to contain all
elements. If you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a
selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /*
IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
Regards,
Damian Edwards
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| W: www.readify.net
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Madsen
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
Subject: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the
main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to
fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
Generator
hen...@igenerator.com.au
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Just to correct Todd's reply, the :after property isnt support by either
IE7 or IE6 (and below), therefore you would need to adjust your CSS to
state (assuming you're using a CSS hack, for ease of display):
#NameofContainingDiv {
*zoom: 1;
/* all your other styles for the element */
}
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: '.';
display: block;
height: 0;
visibility: hidden;
}
David
Todd Budnikas wrote:
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation
from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html for the code
you're using, you'll see that they recommend conditional comments to
trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the head of your document you should
add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context changes, or
both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with classes
catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a new layout
context and in turn expand the container to contain all elements. If
you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /*
IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid {
overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
Regards,
*Damian Edwards
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mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Henrik Madsen
*Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the top
menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the main
content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the content
(in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to
fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
ack.. sincere apologies. If you view positioniseverything.net, they
use a class of clearfix for this fix, and I think it is poor practice
to add mark-up to help IE behave. However, David is correct, as i
copied and pasted without checking myself. So the :after should have
been left out for the IE conditionals.
Again, sincere apologies for misinformation.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:16 PM, David Dixon wrote:
Just to correct Todd's reply, the :after property isnt support by
either IE7 or IE6 (and below), therefore you would need to adjust
your CSS to state (assuming you're using a CSS hack, for ease of
display):
#NameofContainingDiv {
*zoom: 1;
/* all your other styles for the element */
}
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: '.';
display: block;
height: 0;
visibility: hidden;
}
David
Todd Budnikas wrote:
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
for the code you're using, you'll see that they recommend
conditional comments to trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the
head of your document you should add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context
changes, or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with
classes catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a
new layout context and in turn expand the container to contain all
elements. If you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a
selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /
* IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
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[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Henrik Madsen
*Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of
the main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems
to fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Thanks for your replies.
Non-expanding div issue
I removed the :after stuff altogether (which initially broke the
layout in Mac browsers)
This fixed IE7:
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; }
Adding the following styles to the containing divs fixed IE6:
overflow: hidden;
zoom: 1;
And all seems fine in Mac browsers too now :s
IE6 mysterious gaps / margins
Remains unsolved. See between the header and the top menu and at the
top of the two coloured boxes in the RH column of the main content ???
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
TIA
Henrik Madsen
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On 24/01/2009, at 7:16 AM, David Dixon wrote:
Just to correct Todd's reply, the :after property isnt support by
either IE7 or IE6 (and below), therefore you would need to adjust
your CSS to state (assuming you're using a CSS hack, for ease of
display):
#NameofContainingDiv {
*zoom: 1;
/* all your other styles for the element */
}
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: '.';
display: block;
height: 0;
visibility: hidden;
}
David
Todd Budnikas wrote:
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
for the code you're using, you'll see that they recommend
conditional comments to trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the
head of your document you should add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context
changes, or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with
classes catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a
new layout context and in turn expand the container to contain all
elements. If you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a
selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /
* IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
Regards,
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[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Henrik Madsen
*Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of
the main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems
to fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
*Generator*
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RE: [WSG] css Help Please
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:37:29 +1100, Marvin Hunkin wrote: Hi. got these three errors. but cannot seem to fix them. can you help. cheers Marvin. W3C CSS Validator results for file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css (CSS level 2.1) Sorry! We found the following errors (3) URI : file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css 6 div header Lexical error at line 5, column 2. Encountered: i (105), after : id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; } 10 div site_links Lexical error at line 9, column 2. Encountered: i (105), after : id=menu margin: 0 0 1% 0; } 14 div nav Lexical error at line 13, column 3. Encountered: i (105), after : id=menu_other margin: 5% 0 1% 0; } It looks like you have mixed up some inline style data with your ID values. An ID attribute assigns a name to an element, must start with a letter, which can be followed by letters, digits, hyphens, underscores, colons, and/or periods. No spaces are allowed. Mind you, I don't know what CSS makes of IDs that have periods and colons in them... ? Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css Help Please
On 12/01/2009, at 11:37 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
Sorry! We found the following errors (3)
URI : file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css
6 div header Lexical error at line 5, column 2. Encountered:
i (105),
after : id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; }
OK, you haven't quite picked up how CSS works.
I haven't seen your actual markup (the contents of the 'view source'
of your page) but it looks like you have something like this:
div id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto;
...
/div
where you want to have:
div id=Borg
...
/div
and in your .css file (or inside your style type=text/css ... /
style element) put:
#Borg {
width: 400px;
margin: 1% auto;
}
if you want to have a 'Borg' type block appear more than once, you
should use a 'class' rather than an 'id' - an 'id' should only appear
once on the page while a 'class' is for repeating blocks.
This would give markup like this:
div class=Borg
...
/div
and the class would be referenced in the CSS with 'dot' notation:
.Borg {
width: 400px;
margin: 1% auto;
}
Hope it helps
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[WSG] css Help Please
Hi.
well vallidated my html and it passed the vallidation.
got three errors in css.
not sure why, how do i fix them.
and instead of the style for text, tried using a id to refrence that in the
style sheet, but said no duplication of the id tag, so did not want the
style = text / say in my id class under neath one of my headings.
so how do i fix the css?
cheers Marvin.
ps: will paste below.
Hi.
got these three errors.
but cannot seem to fix them.
can you help.
cheers Marvin.
CSS Validation Service
W3C CSS Validator results for
file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css (CSS level 2.1)
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W3C CSS Validator results for
file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css (CSS level 2.1)
Sorry! We found the following errors (3)
URI : file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css
6 div header Lexical error at line 5, column 2. Encountered: i (105),
after : id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; }
10 div site_links Lexical error at line 9, column 2. Encountered: i
(105), after : id=menu margin: 0 0 1% 0; }
14 div nav Lexical error at line 13, column 3. Encountered: i (105),
after : id=menu_other margin: 5% 0 1% 0; }
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Valid CSS information
* {
margin : 0;
padding : 0;
border : 0;
}
a:link {
font-style : normal;
font-weight : normal;
color : #0f0;
background-color : transparent;
text-decoration : none;
}
a:visited {
font-style : normal;
font-weight : normal;
color : #68aa68;
background-color : transparent;
text-decoration : none;
}
a:hover {
font-style : normal;
font-weight : normal;
color : #000;
background-color : #006800;
background-color : #0f0;
text-decoration : none;
}
a:active {
font-style : normal;
font-weight : normal;
color : #ff0;
background-color : transparent;
text-decoration : none;
}
body {
margin : 1%;
font-family : Trebuchet, Verdana, Lucida Sans, sans-serif;
font-size : 1.25em;
font-style : normal;
font-weight : normal;
text-decoration : none;
color : #fff;
background : #000 url(images/bg_stars.jpg) no-repeat center 0%;
}
div.block {
width : 700px;
margin : 5% auto;
text-align : justify;
}
#clock {
color : #007878;
}
div#lus {
font-size : 0.6em;
}
.episode {
color : #006868;
}
#feedback {
width : 38.24%;
margin : 0 auto;
border : 0 solid #700;
}
#footer {
margin : 5% 0;
text-align : center;
color : #007878;
}
h1, h2, h3 {
font-family : Trebuchet, Verdana, Lucida Sans, sans-serif;
font-weight : bold;
text-align : center;
color : #25b7f8;
}
#menulinks {
float : right;
width : 330px;
margin : 1% 5px 1% 0;
background : url(images/bg_stars.gif) repeat-y scroll;
}
p {
margin : 1% 0;
}
#star-trek {
list-style-type : none;
margin : 5% 0 1% 4%;
}
table {
text-align : left;
}
th {
font-weight : bold;
text-align : left;
}
tr {
text-align : left;
}
td {
text-align : left;
}
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Re: [WSG] CSS invisible to IE
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:02:21 +0500, Fuji kusaka wrote: Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the CSS apply online to FF? I'm confused. Your subject line refers to IE, yet your question only refers to FF.(?) If you wish to target Firefox only, it will very much depend on which version you intend to target. Since browsers are constantly improving (well, most anyway) it is counter-productive to give a browser its own CSS unless it is no longer maintained. If, as I suspect, you need to fix a problem in FF 2, feel free to put up an example page and ask us for a solution. I feel pretty sure we could come up with something. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS invisible to IE
There are conditional CSS HTML codes that can apply to FF. If you want to
use them, you can try:
!--[if N]!--link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=the
location.css /!--![endif]--
If the above does not work, try adding an additional N in !--[if N]!--,
as in !--[if NN]!--.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Luke Hoggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Hi,
This list isn't really a help desk. For such things Google is your friend.
Anyway, there are various methods/hacks available. My preference is to use
child selectors
eg
#container .something {
/* this will be used in ie6 */
}
#container .something {
/* this will be used in firefox and ie7 and safari etc*/
}
the order is important
if you want ONLY FF to have the rule applied (I cannot imagine why) try
using some of the -moz attributes that may be applicable
Regards
L
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Re: [WSG] CSS invisible to IE
Here is an article about hacks for Fx, Opera and IE:
http://www.nealgrosskopf.com/tech/thread.asp?pid=20
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Brett Patterson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are conditional CSS HTML codes that can apply to FF. If you want to
use them, you can try:
!--[if N]!--link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=the
location.css /!--![endif]--
If the above does not work, try adding an additional N in !--[if N]!--,
as in !--[if NN]!--.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Luke Hoggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Hi,
This list isn't really a help desk. For such things Google is your friend.
Anyway, there are various methods/hacks available. My preference is to
use child selectors
eg
#container .something {
/* this will be used in ie6 */
}
#container .something {
/* this will be used in firefox and ie7 and safari etc*/
}
the order is important
if you want ONLY FF to have the rule applied (I cannot imagine why) try
using some of the -moz attributes that may be applicable
Regards
L
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Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the CSS
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Re: [WSG] CSS and printing absolute units
Hi, Try using picas (pc) or points (pt). I haven't had this problem before myself, but I believe that it may be caused by the fact that printers have no concept of what a cm or mm is. A good description of pc and pt is at http://www.guistuff.com/css/css_units.html (down the page a bit) cheers L nedlud wrote: I need to write a print style sheet and have a particular element on the page print at a specific absolute size (85mm by 35mm). I've set the size using the mm units in the style sheet, but the element is printing at 65mm wide. From what I can see, mm (and cm) are well supported measurements in different browsers, but the results I'm getting in print are not what I need. Does anyone have any advice on how I can get the area to print at the right size? Or am I doomed to failure due to different users printers probably giving different results anyway? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi,
This list isn't really a help desk. For such things Google is your friend.
Anyway, there are various methods/hacks available. My preference is to
use child selectors
eg
#container .something {
/* this will be used in ie6 */
}
#container .something {
/* this will be used in firefox and ie7 and safari etc*/
}
the order is important
if you want ONLY FF to have the rule applied (I cannot imagine why) try
using some of the -moz attributes that may be applicable
Regards
L
Fuji kusaka wrote:
Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the
CSS apply online to FF?
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I need to write a print style sheet and have a particular element on the page print at a specific absolute size (85mm by 35mm). I've set the size using the mm units in the style sheet, but the element is printing at 65mm wide. From what I can see, mm (and cm) are well supported measurements in different browsers, but the results I'm getting in print are not what I need. Does anyone have any advice on how I can get the area to print at the right size? Or am I doomed to failure due to different users printers probably giving different results anyway? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote:
- What's the support across browsers / machines for the font-size-adjust
property? -
Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as letter-spacing
body
copy? Would this kill sheep?
- Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for screen
display?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:41 PM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied:
Hi Christian,
I believe that Firefox 3 supports it, but must admit I have not tried using
it.
Interestingly I can't see the property listed in Sitepoint's Ultimate CSS
Reference. Hmm.
As for setting up font stacks, I found this article useful:
http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/
The linked PDF with samples of each type face shown side-by-side
is a useful resource too, I think.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:44:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote back:
David,
I've been looking at that exact article, actually. It's very helpful. I guess
the
biggest dilemma, currently, is that I am to come up with a consistent
vertical rhythm,
but with just font-size and line-height alone, such as:
body {
font-size:75%;
line-height: 1.5;
}
it's not enough. The difference in x-height between small fonts like
Calibri and
large fonts like Verdana makes for very different results. As far as I can
tell, even
using pixel or point sizes for fonts doesn't make a difference. And I'm
guessing that
as far as browser compatibility goes, there's nothing that does. Is that
right?
Interesting. I have been doing some extensive tests to get that
vertical rhythm to work cross-browser. I had not considered the
differing x-height between fonts. I'll make some more tests and report
back.
Meantime, I found the most consistent results using 100% base font
in IE, and 16 pixels for the rest. !00% base just does not work for all.
After that, I found I can use percents or EMs, calculated from nominal
pixels, for most everything-- as long as you round *any* fraction up
to the next higher .01em for Safari.
Note: some browsers only apply whole percents, so more precision
may upset things.
Here are my results so far:
Nominal Points Size Pixels/ Percent
6pt nonpareil 8px 50%
7pt minion 9px 56.5%
8pt brevier 11px69%
9pt bourgeois 12px75%
10pt long primer13px82%
11pt small pica 15px94%
12pt pica 16px100%
14pt english19px119%
16pt columbian 21px132%
18pt great primer 24px150%
21pt double small pica 28px175%
24pt double pica32px200%
36pt double great primer48px300%
(Hope this isn't too muddled.)
P.S. - I use a line-height in EMs, based off the base, for body text
that's close to 100% to get equal vertical spacing. But I do need
to test various font faces, as you suggest. Also, DPI other than 96.
Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors
On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest notepad++. Been using it since it was first available and haven't looked at anything else. Mind you, apart from Flash * GIMP, I use notepad++ for all my web design. This probably is off topic so I apology first, however I think it worths mentioning especially for the original poster to note when deciding which one to purchase. I got Textmate and CSSEdit long time ago and had purchased Coda just some 6 months ago, the very reason for it is that I have been working mainly on Magento projects, and because the software runs very slow on local server so I have been working the files directly from the web server. With Coda, I can access entire remote root directory from the leftside of the panel, and the connection is good - 6 months, not a single timeout. I can only open remove file one at a time for Textmate, and my FTP client kept giving me timeout error. In short, Coda is an editor with FTP , but I just love CSSEdit so much I continue using it with Coda. Coda comes with HTML, CSS, Javascript and PHP reference books so this is something very good too. You an even say it's a super light version of Dreamweaver. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust
Hi Christian, Christian Montoya wrote on 20-10-2008: http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/ Back in September 2006 I wrote a piece that reached some similar conclusions to that above http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/60/ At the time the use of font-size-adjust was an impractical solution due to it's very poor support among browsers... not even consistently across all platforms for firefox. I don't think much has changed in that regard, but would have to check to be sure. The best solution therefore was to use available resources regarding font availability and to plan typography around that, looking for fonts of similar aspect ratio with which to build your family (or stack, call it what you will). I've also setup tables of aspect ratios and x-widths for some common fonts, since aspect ratios don't give necessarily the complete picture (verdana and tahoma share the same aspect ratio, but differ significantly in x-width). http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/43/ Hope these may be of some use... Cheers Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Rob Schumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Christian, Christian Montoya wrote on 20-10-2008: http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/ Back in September 2006 I wrote a piece that reached some similar conclusions to that above http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/60/ At the time the use of font-size-adjust was an impractical solution due to it's very poor support among browsers... not even consistently across all platforms for firefox. I don't think much has changed in that regard, but would have to check to be sure. The best solution therefore was to use available resources regarding font availability and to plan typography around that, looking for fonts of similar aspect ratio with which to build your family (or stack, call it what you will). I've also setup tables of aspect ratios and x-widths for some common fonts, since aspect ratios don't give necessarily the complete picture (verdana and tahoma share the same aspect ratio, but differ significantly in x-width). http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/43/ Thanks Rob, I think that just about answers all my questions. Would it be possible for you to update your tables with the Vista fonts? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 2008/10/21 18:14 (GMT+0700) Rob Schumann composed: Christian Montoya wrote on 20-10-2008: http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/ Back in September 2006 I wrote a piece that reached some similar conclusions to that above http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/60/ Neither of those take into account the recent and current states of FOSS fonts. It would be nice to see yours updated to take into account: 1-DejaVu is a continually developed and better hinted superset of no longer developed Bitstream Vera that has replaced Vera in most Linux distros for several years now. An installation of the OpenOffice.org 3.0 w/ JRE package on WinXP results in 21 DejaVu*ttf files being added to \WINDOWS\Fonts. 2-The Liberation font suite was developed to function as an alternative to installing the Microsoft Core Web Fonts package on Linux. Its single metric equivalent serif (Liberation Serif=Times New Roman), sans-serif (Liberation Sans=Arial/Helvetica) and monospace (Liberation Mono=Lucida Console/Courier New) components are available either by default or as an option with installation of most recent and current Linux distros. 3-Linux fontconfig provides a font stack for fallback. For purposes of this thread, I've made available three examples from major distros: Fedora 10 http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/Linux/45-latin.conf-fc10 Mandriva 2009 http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/Linux/45-latin.conf-mdv2009 openSUSE 11.1 http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/Linux/suse-post-user.conf We have been told in a (IIRC) Novell Bugzilla comment by the fonts team leader Mike Fabian that openSUSE's order within its alias file was set primarily dependent on font quality, particularly in the areas of charset coverage, byte code and hinting. Contrast that to the other two, which leave x-height pretty much a non-issue, seen by the separation between DejaVu Sans and Verdana in both files. -- Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry. James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Christian, Christian Montoya wrote on 21-10-2008: Thanks Rob, I think that just about answers all my questions. Would it be possible for you to update your tables with the Vista fonts? I've updated the aspect-ratio/x-widths article to include the 6 'C' fonts of Vista http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/43/ Updates for other fonts, and to bring font availability tables up-to-date will follow later. Cheers Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 2008/10/21 23:40 (GMT+0700) Rob Schumann composed: I've updated the aspect-ratio/x-widths article to include the 6 'C' fonts of Vista http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/43/ At some point you might want to mention that, unlike most monospace fonts, which match each other in width at most or all sizes, Consolas in many common sizes renders considerably narrower, as if called in the next smaller size. You should be able to see examples on http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html Updates for other fonts, and to bring font availability tables up-to-date will follow later. Looking forward to it. :-) -- Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry. James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I use TextMate. Extensible for all kinds of use. It has a good CSS bundle. It¹s rubbish for printing though - I use textwrangler for printing out code. On 20/10/2008 11:09, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html It did the job From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gicela Morales Sent: 20 October 2008 10:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS editors Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** All correspondence, attachments and agreements remain strictly subject to fully executed contract. (c) GCap Media plc 2008. All rights remain reserved. This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information which may be confidential, subject to intellectual property protection and may be legally privileged and protected from disclosure and unauthorised use. It is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is addressed and others specifically authorised to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail or any parts of it please telephone 020 7054 8000 immediately upon receipt. No other person is authorised to copy, adapt, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this e-mail in any form without prior specific permission in writing from an authorised representative of GCap Media plc. We will not accept liability for any claims arising as a result of the use of the internet to transmit information by or to GCap Media plc. GCap Media plc. Registered address: 30 Leicester Square, London WC2H 7LA. Registered in England Wales with No. 923454 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I use textmate, http://macromates.com/ as it has really good plug-in support, I have heard good things about Coda though. Ollie On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Ollie Kavanagh --- OK design Phone: 07701083386 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: olliekav www.olliekav.com --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html It did the job _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gicela Morales Sent: 20 October 2008 10:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS editors Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I have both BBEdit and TextMate. I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders. I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming, but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell. If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with TextMate: http://macromates.com/ Good move on the Mac though. James On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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there is a free version of bbedit called textwrangler if you can hardcode. Gicela Morales wrote: Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I'm using CODA too... I think it's a great tools since when still using PC, I'm get used to EditPlus. Rgds, Muswardi On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html It did the job From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gicela Morales Sent: 20 October 2008 10:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS editors Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Thanks everyone. I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler! Gicela :-) 2008/10/20 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have both BBEdit and TextMate. I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders. I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming, but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell. If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with TextMate: http://macromates.com/ Good move on the Mac though. James On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Does no-one use Topstyle? http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/TopStyle/Default.aspx Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I'm Dreamweaver and hand write code. Years ago I used to use BBedit and loved it, however, I also moved from mac to pc years ago. I'm sorry that Barebones didn't develop versions for the pc. The companies I tend to work for are PC only Nancy On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:52 AM, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does no-one use Topstyle? http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/TopStyle/Default.aspx Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
