Re: [WSG] Video Files
Hi. For 30mb movies that is not a good idea. Browser will try to save whole file before sending it to application. This eliminates streaming. Not quite correct. When the QuickTime Movie is authored correctly, QuickTime plays the Video while it still downloads. Greetings, Michael Vogt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
For 30mb movies that is not a good idea. Browser will try to save whole file before sending it to application. This eliminates streaming. Not quite correct. When the QuickTime Movie is authored correctly, QuickTime plays the Video while it still downloads. You'd have to make few kb dummy quicktime movie that downloads another, right? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
Larry Rappaport has created a disturbance in the Force. I felt its presence on 12/14/2004 1:57 PM. Its substance was as follows: Regardless of what you do, I'd mention in or near the link the size of the .mov it's linked to. 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. You might include a small chart listing download times assuming different connections. How do I calculate download times though? I mean, how long something takes to download here at work varies quite a bit with all the weird things people do to our poor servers... How can I find an objective estimate? Is that even possible? Charlie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
I believe either Dreamweaver or Fireworks will do that for you, or you could browse the web - there are several sites which will let you borrow the figures. -- Larry Mail may be sent to rapp at lmr dot com. Please use plain text only as html is filtered out as spam. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:02:33 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing): Larry Rappaport has created a disturbance in the Force. I felt its presence on 12/14/2004 1:57 PM. Its substance was as follows: Regardless of what you do, I'd mention in or near the link the size of the .mov it's linked to. 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. You might include a small chart listing download times assuming different connections. How do I calculate download times though? I mean, how long something takes to download here at work varies quite a bit with all the weird things people do to our poor servers... How can I find an objective estimate? Is that even possible? Charlie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Video Files
From: Charlie Barr A client on an old website we designed is asking us about putting up Quick Time videos on their website. [...] what would be the best way to have them available. Why not just link to the .mov file? It will then open in whatever way the users want, or at least give them the option of deciding what to do with it. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
Regardless of what you do, I'd mention in or near the link the size of the .mov it's linked to. 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. You might include a small chart listing download times assuming different connections. -- Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing): Hello all, A client on an old website we designed is asking us about putting up Quick Time videos on their website. The file sizes vary a lot -- anywhere from a couple megs to about 30MB -- and I wondered what would be the best way to have them available. Is it a bad idea to have them inline, for example? How about on a page without any other content (i.e. just the .mov embedded and the navigation)? Also, what do I want to use, embed, object, something else...? I've never done anything like this before, so even the most basic tutorial would be useful to me. Thanks in advance! Charlie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
Larry Rappaport wrote: 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. Even with a T1 at maximum utilization it would take around 3 minutes; slightly more than the recommended 8 seconds for a page load. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
On 15 Dec 2004, at 9:47 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote: 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. Even with a T1 at maximum utilization it would take around 3 minutes; slightly more than the recommended 8 seconds for a page load. To apply the '8 second rule' to *every* page on the web is patently absurd. You seem to be suggesting that no content that can't be delivered in 8 seconds should be published. I think you'll find that rule is intended for home pages, and applies to visitors' notoriously short attention spans. I would imagine that someone who wanted to view such a huge file (and had been told the size on the referring page) badly enough would wait for the download, even on dialup. My 2c... and in any case, now OT. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Video Files
Larry Rappaport has created a disturbance in the Force. I felt its presence on 12/14/2004 4:20 PM. Its substance was as follows: I believe either Dreamweaver or Fireworks will do that for you, or you could browse the web - there are several sites which will let you borrow the figures. Well I don't have either so I'll have to Google myself some answers. As for methods, the clients have (as of this email) said they want them all available as links for viewing/downloading, so I *probably* won't have to monkey with inline video content. However, thanks to everyone who gave me information on that subject; my knowledge of multimedia presentation is pretty sparse, so the more I can learn, the better. And thanks to everyone else who weighed in on how to present multimedia content in general. Charlie P.S. Speaking from personal experience, if I want a file badly enough, I will try to download ridiculously huge files. Over dialup, on a Pentium II laptop with 32 MB of RAM, running Windows ME and IE 5... you get the picture. More importantly, in this case no one will have to download the .mov files since it'll be a text link anyway. Cheers! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
